Fukushima: Japan may have to dump radioactive water into the sea

Swellnet Dispatch

As the Sunshine Coast Council plans to dump 125 megalitres of water contaminated with chemicals into the ocean, Japan also wrestles with the problem of disposing of contaminated water. For them, it's a billion litres of water taken from the cooling pipes of the Fukushima Daiicho nuclear power plant which was destroyed by tsunami in 2011.

The operator of the destroyed Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant will have to dump radioactive water into the Pacific Ocean as it runs out of room to store it, Japan's environment minister has said.

Tokyo Electric Power, or Tepco, has collected more than one million tonnes - approximately one billion litres - of contaminated water from the cooling pipes used to keep fuel cores from melting since the plant was crippled by an earthquake and tsunami in 2011.

"The only option will be to drain it into the sea and dilute it," the minister, Yoshiaki Harada, told a news briefing in Tokyo. "The whole of the Government will discuss this, but I would like to offer my simple opinion."

The Government is awaiting a report from an expert panel before making a final decision on how to dispose of the radioactive water. Japan's Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga, in a separate press briefing, described Mr Harada's comments as "his personal opinion".

Tepco was not in a position to decide what to do but would follow the policy once the Government made a decision, a spokesman for the utility said.

The utility said it would run out of room to store the water by 2022.

Aerial view of tanks of contaminated water at the Fukushima nuclear plant (Daisuke Suzuki)

Mr Harada did not say how much water would need to be dumped into the ocean. Any green light from the Government to dump the waste into the sea would anger neighbours such as South Korea, which summoned a senior Japanese embassy official last month to explain how the Fukushima water would be dealt with.

"We're just hoping to hear more details of the discussions that are under way in Tokyo so that there won't be a surprise announcement," a South Korean diplomat said, requesting anonymity due to the sensitivity of bilateral ties.

South Korea's foreign ministry said in a statement that it had asked Japan "to take a wise and prudent decision on the issue". Relations between the East Asian nations are already frosty following a dispute over compensation for Koreans forced to work in Japanese factories in World War II.

Coastal nuclear plants commonly dump into the ocean water that contains tritium, an isotope of hydrogen that is hard to separate and is considered to be relatively harmless. Tepco, which also faces opposition from fishermen, admitted last year that the water in its tanks still contained contaminants beside tritium.

"The Government must commit to the only environmentally acceptable option for managing this water crisis, which is long-term storage and processing to remove radioactivity, including tritium," Shaun Burnie, senior nuclear specialist with Greenpeace Germany, said.

//REUTERS
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crg commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 10:57am

"...but I would like to offer my simple opinion."
At least he got that part right.

I'm not cheap,
But I'm free.

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fishnsurf commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 11:13am

The profits from the energy markets should be used to create solutions for these problems. I know thats not the essence of capitalism.

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greyhound commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 11:24am

There are no solutions for this human mess..

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garyg1412 commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 12:02pm

A new craze in Japanese resturants - glow in the dark sushemi. More risk than the puffer fish option!!!!

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gazzza commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 12:29pm

All brains and no idea.

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Bnkref commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 12:47pm

"Run out of room" sounds like a rubbish excuse.

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.cylinders commented Friday, 13 Sep 2019 at 10:15pm

*money

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adambol1 commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 1:35pm

The next tsunami will solve the problem and roll those tanks away

If it was easy eveyone would do it.

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mattlock commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 1:49pm

Go humans!!

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jamespettit03 commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 2:05pm

Japan has 5 operational nuclear power plants. Why not transport the waste to other plants and re-use it?

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Smorto commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 2:19pm

haha by that logic why not just keep re-using this water at this location over and over again?

I think that there is a certain level of contamination that the water can have before they need to replace it. Otherwise it is contaminated at such a high level that it becomes impossible to dispose of, not that disposing of water with low level contamination is easy, but its at least somewhat feasible.

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Lanky Dean commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 2:16pm

Couldn't they just evaporate the water?
Same for the sunshine coast?

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Smorto commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 2:29pm

Na then the contaminates become solid and more concentrated.

You then have to dig up a highly contaminated top layer of soil and dispose of that somewhere.

It much easier to disperse it when its in a low concentration liquid form.

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epictard commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 3:13pm

I think that the water being stored is already reduced.

From another site that discusses evaporating contaminated water ...
"Please note that distillation does not destroy radioactive contaminants (nor does any process), it simply separates and leaves them behind in the boiling tank, where they are drained away. When using the Survival Still, make sure to dump the water that remains in the boiling tank after each batch."
https://socrateswater.com/2015/01/18/what-you-need-to-know-about-radiation/

And from another describing what the 'stored water' is (from back in 2017 - so this is not a new discussion by any means)
"They note that special treatment has removed the radioactivity from the water except for tritium, a radioactive form of hydrogen. The experts say tritium is safe in small amounts."
https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/japan-debates-what-to-do-with-wate...

Summary:
What you are suggesting has already been done, the heavy contaminants are removed and stored separately, the distilled water is what appears to be stored is large quantities ... just not perfectly clean of radioactive contaminants.

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Lanky Dean commented Friday, 13 Sep 2019 at 8:06pm

Thanks etd...
It was actually the first thing I thought of...
Glad they have already done it ....
So the water they plan on releasing is already filtered....
Still a bad situation.

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Westofthelake commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 2:20pm

"Nuclear power is one hell of a way to boil water." -anonymous

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shoredump commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 2:21pm

Clean renewables, and a world wide negative birth rate, or suffer the consequences....

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AndyM commented Saturday, 14 Sep 2019 at 11:32am

Yep that's about it, along with a reassessment of capitalism and consumerism.

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SI commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 3:09pm

WTF - this is not just a Japanese issue. Dilute the water? Is that like spread it to other people and ecosystems? It’s like some people dilute their rubbish into the ocean, but it’s radioactive and you can’t see it. How long before we will be surfing in that water? Who is to say that water won’t get to Australia where me and my kids surf? I’m worried about this. We are not that far from Japan. Also, I wonder whether they have given any thought to whether the surfing competitors in the Japan Olympics will warm to competing in their radioactive ocean. I wonder whether the Olympic committee could allow that sort of thing to happen. This is an absolute shocker. Our own government ought to have its say on this matter. Who the fuck does the Japanese environment minister think he is that he can pour tonnes of nuclear waste into the earth’s oceans? It would go down as one of the most disrespectful environmental acts ever committed on this earth. Someone has to stop this madness.

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MartinNow commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 3:17pm

I'm with shoredump. Clean renewables and a negative birthrate. We're already suffering the consequences.

MartinNow

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Glen Folkard - ... commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 3:34pm

Revelation 8:9
And a third of the living creatures in the sea died...

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velocityjohnno commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 4:05pm

Good on you for running this story, good on Reuters for reporting it. There was a silencing of reporting on this one and you'd think that as surfers we would be concerned with it.

The cores are still melting away down there as far as I know, the site is atop an underground water course, which emerges into the ocean.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/1/150123-seabirds-mass-die-...

Hundreds of stories like this and in this story the culprit is warm water...

Look for the fellow who did surveys of the rockpools in BC, if you can find it.

I'd be interested in Zen's take on this potential water release.

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ruckus commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 6:30pm

That’s a whole heap of radioluminescent light sources for watches and instruments clusters.. Extract it and do something with it along with the other elements. Use it as radioluminescent paint for roads rather then producing those plastic reflectors.. there’s gotta be a better option then just dumping it in the ocean FFS. That’s just lazy and an extremely poor thought process. It’s not a solution

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bipola commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 6:49pm

i have got the shits about this, every time a country fucks up, it always dumps its poison into the ocean. also i have wondered if all the cars exported from japan are checked for radiation? pay 80 grand for a landcruiser and your hair starts falling out.

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velocityjohnno commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 7:21pm

A quick squizz at plant locations was valuable at the time (2011)
Mazda is in Hiroshima so very far away from the immediately affected area. Would depend on where parts for product are sourced from.

https://news.stanford.edu/news/2012/may/tuna-radioactive-materials-05301...

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Robwilliams commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 7:19pm

As a I am citizen of the world for a small life time only. Let this be a reminder of why and although highly effective, nuclear power is not 100 percent safe. To all the non environmentally conscious may your argument be seen as ridiculous, and may you please put your money where your mouth is and sample the product in the area if this water is released. What a footprint to have left the future generations to deal with. A disaster that has had unknown boundaries so far. When and where will man draw the line? This is a man made disaster.

In what is healthy for the future. Would you want this for future generations to come? Have we desecrated the world in which we live beyond repair yet? Is science and government decision making leading to a better world? If not, why not ask the hard questions and let the evidence speak for its self.

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truebluebasher commented Thursday, 12 Sep 2019 at 9:24pm

Tsunami washes Japanese Nuke waste 10kms inland
Japan sail their ship load of Nuke Waste off Somalia & wait & wait & wait!
Somali Pirates storm their Ship & seize their cargo..."What took you so long!"

Tsunami later washes Somalia Nuke waste 10kms inland.

Like just under half of World's evil leaders have never thought of doing that before.
"Curse them Somali Pirates...beginning to lose track of how much cargo we've lost!"
All agree they can't be labelled Pirates without weapons...All say Aye! Sorted!

https://ejatlas.org/conflict/somalia-toxic-waste-dumping-somalia
Of course Somali population suffer respiratory, skin ulcers, bleeding, cancers {R.I.P}
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_55452.shtml

Olympic Hosts can't just dump their poison at sea without first asking the world.
That is an eerie but welcome change! Same as nice Sunny Coast marking out spot X.
Really top Govt's we have nowadays...Just close yer eyes it won't hurt a bit.
tbb would like to say this isn't happening in his City...but it is! (Sad ending all round!)

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Spuddups commented Friday, 13 Sep 2019 at 5:22am

Anyone know how radioactive this water is?

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JosephStalin commented Friday, 13 Sep 2019 at 6:54am

Jeez it's convenient the ocean is right there. Dump away bushido. I have a very pessimistic view of humans/earths future.

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Ape Anonymous commented Friday, 13 Sep 2019 at 7:50am

HA! They haven't stopped dumping since it happened.

Gotta love those bowm factories...

WORST environmental disaster ever, by far!

It's like the scene out of Idiocracy "The nuclear plant in Florida is broken and leaking ..... just pour water on it"

People are worried about what excess Carbon does to the environment.. ahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

God this is bad. Real bad. Like, reduces the lifespan of every living creature on the planet bad. Dumb dumb. monkey pyramid extreme dumb.

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Ape Anonymous commented Friday, 13 Sep 2019 at 7:28am

Oh yeah, and wasn't it Australian resources that fueled the thing!?

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velocityjohnno commented Saturday, 14 Sep 2019 at 10:27pm
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frog commented Friday, 13 Sep 2019 at 10:11am

We will all have some radioactive particles from fukushima in us by now imbedded in our bones busily firing off cancer causing rays for the rest of our lives. Thank you nuclear industry and japan ministers for previous decisions on placing plant in tsunami zone. But i think we have had enough simple decisions.

Frogg

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firey77 commented Friday, 13 Sep 2019 at 2:50pm

I've read all the comments so far and no one here seems to understand nuclear power.
Yes Fukushima was a man made disaster caused by poor planning and terrible site selection. Why on earth would you build a power station on a coast that is historically known to be hit by Tsunamis?

Solar and Wind are not going to do the job and are harming the environment more. Wind turbines are killing thousands upon thousands of birds of different species around the world every week! Solar panels are creating tonnes of toxic waste every day as more and more panels reach the end of their life. We are heading towards a massive toxic waste crunch as a huge amount of panels will be become rubbish that we have no ability to manage. And we are making millions more everyday!

Well designed modern nuclear power stations that are sited in geological stable and safe locations are our best answer to solve the power requirements problem we are facing at the moment.

https://youtu.be/S6Syv9arXqU

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Ape Anonymous commented Friday, 13 Sep 2019 at 2:24pm

Dude, boiling water with Youranium is a dumb, inefficient and highly toxic way to make power.
Rumor goes: these power plants are a cover for the manufacture of thawrium and other radioactive isotopes used in modern weepons and arms. This is not about making energy, E=mc squared, there is abundant energy everywhere, this is about something far more sinister and underhanded.

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firey77 commented Friday, 13 Sep 2019 at 3:56pm

Haha I know you're foolin'. 'youranium' 'thawrium' and E=mc squared. lol

All waste produced by a nuclear power in its entire productive lifetime is capable of being stored at the same location as the energy production.

Can you think of any other energy production type that can say the same?

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JosephStalin commented Saturday, 14 Sep 2019 at 11:09am

Can't we just dump all the dead birds and redundant E waste you talk of in the ocean and start fresh?

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velocityjohnno commented Saturday, 14 Sep 2019 at 10:31pm

The solar panels will form reefs, the fish will eat the dead birds and voila, you have permaculture

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The Fire commented Friday, 13 Sep 2019 at 12:36pm

This is a very serious problem and i hope the best minds in the world figure out a better solution than just ‘the ocean caused it so the ocean can deal with it’.

maaaan

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frog commented Friday, 13 Sep 2019 at 1:14pm

Fire 77

Some problems:
Political pork barrelling, faceless bureaucrats, accountants or cost cutting CFO / CEOs have probably been behind many siting, storage and design decisions not clever scientists who knew better.
Japan - obvious
USA - sited near rivers that tend to flood to save costs on piping water - one was partly flooded a few years ago and another metre of water and the whole thing would have washed down the Mississippi contaminating multiple states (government crisis solution was state of the art ... ban any cameras from the area so it was not on the news)
USA - many in earthquake zones
Everywhere - storing the waste - stick in in tanks and worry about it another day.
Russia - Chernobyl
Russia / Ukraine - keep using old plants past their safe use by life.

The more you find out the more that "Well designed modern nuclear power stations that are sited in geological stable and safe locations" seems unlikely.

If nuclear is the solution, that means hundreds of future plants all across Africa, the middle east, Indonesia, South America in a myriad of different political and geological environments including war zones. How could anything go wrong....

Nuclear power is so expensive no plants have been built for decades. If the costs of decommissioning and insuring against risks was accounted for in the business plans none would ever be built again. A UK one was out to tender for 2 billion pounds recently - not to build - but to decommission (pull apart safely). Fukushima is $100 billion and counting.

BUT these risk are passed off to the government who pass them off to taxpayers.
Has General Electric ever had to pay for the long term costs of their designed and maintained plants including Fukushima? I think they made their profits and the Japanese people are paying the price and we all have had our cancer risks notched up a few per cent.

I agree that renewables have their issues but nuclear is only a solution on paper - not in the real world on both cost and risk.
To provide electricity to the USA from solar you would need 48,000 square kilometers of solar sites. Huge area but it’s less than half the size of the Mojave desert. Harder for say Finland. The solution will be a bit of this a bit of that and a lot of something else - not a single main method.

Frogg

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zenagain commented Friday, 13 Sep 2019 at 5:09pm

I've been a bit reluctant to post because I know I'll fuck this up but anyway here's my take and I'm a little bit A and B.

I live within 100 k's of the Fukushima Daiichi plant also one of my clients just happens to be Hitachi GE nuclear design. That is the company that developed the fuel handling machines, the robots that got fried inside the reactor but managed to get a lot of information to the engineers to help fight it and now also the company that designed the ALPS system for processing the wastewater.

Yes it was a total disaster but you must learn from the past to go forward into the future. As the article is about the wastewater, I'll focus on that. Despite initial problems with corrosion, the ALPS system is working well and is currently working to about 85% of it's capacity of processing 2000 tons of water a day. Currently water levels flowing into the site are about 400 tons, mostly from ground water flowing from the mountains and mixing with the tainted water from the reactor. The level of radiation of this water has decreased daily for years now and is a fraction of what it was just after the meltdown. All stored water has been filtered with the ALPS system and is now considered practically safe enough to drink. In real terms, the volume of water stored on site is about the equivalent of 1400 olympic size swimming pools. The only radioactive isotope remaining in the stored water is Tritium which is considered relatively benign. Of the the remaining waste of which about 3% is HLW (High level waste) containing such deadly isotopes such as Strontium 90 and radioactive Iodine, these have been removed and will never even get close to the ocean.

I'm in two minds of whether to dispose the water into the ocean as I mentioned before, the stored water is probably cleaner than most tap water and if you look out the window to the vast vast ocean, for arbitrary sake, a billion litres of water is merely a drop.

The bigggest opposition though firstly is public perception and the hysteria that surrounds anything radioactive, second is the Fukushima fishermen and rightfully so, it's their livelihood but again, i refer to point one and thirdly one that is probably more of an issue, is the politics involved especially regarding South Korea. For months now, South Korea and Japan have been niggling each other when a South Korean court ruled in favour of seizing Japanese owned company assets to make reparations for forced labour during the Japanese occupation prior to WWII, this was in contravention to a previous agreement where Korea has received a formal apology and hundreds of millions of $ in compensation. Basically it's an opportunistic cash grab. Japan has responded in a tit for tat way by removing Korea from their 'white list' of countries that have looser export and import controls. The Koreans have complained to the Yanks and the WTO but neither want to have a bar of it. Basically the Koreans look for any opportunity to stick it to the Japs as it deflects from their depressed economy.

Anyway, after talking to many nuclear engineers and some pretty bright minds, I'm not stressing too much if the stored water is put into the ocean.

Now, you can attack me at will.

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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blackers commented Saturday, 14 Sep 2019 at 11:49am

Thanks Zen. Good to get some informed commentry from someone close to the source. Not sure it changes my views but helpful none the less.

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I focus commented Saturday, 14 Sep 2019 at 1:29pm

+ 2, Blackers comments echo my own thoughts cheers Zen.

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shoredump commented Saturday, 14 Sep 2019 at 2:20pm

Thanks Zen, good, INFORMED words.
However I’ll never get past the inconvenient truth that if you fuck with something just a little bit, you’ll end up with something else altogether, eventually. I’m a long game man.
I’m a slave to the facts in this world and obey nothing else

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velocityjohnno commented Saturday, 14 Sep 2019 at 10:41pm

Thanks Zen, appreciate that. Has anyone located the coriums under the plant? I did note when the robot got to film some inside the reactor containers, that was a win.

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zenagain commented Sunday, 15 Sep 2019 at 7:35am

Honestly, no. The coriums have been located but they're working on how to remove them as that will be the final stage to totally decommissioning the plant.

At the moment they're removing the final fuel rods which is done remotely and under water. Each has to be sealed in a ceramic chamber.

And after talking to these engineers, the plant has been less stable than the government let on- for years now it had been touch and go daily but the blokes I speak to are finally exhaling and reckon they're on top of it.

It's not ideal obviously but we're at a much better place than we were five years ago. As i mentioned, the engineers i speak to are confident the stored water is completely safe. I made mention of South Korea as the article did and basically the Korean government is waiting to pounce to do anything to paint Japan in a bad light. It's daily news here. The release of the water will be what the Koreans need to criticize the Japs on the world stage and they'll be the first.

On a human level a good mate was evacuated from the area and can't go back. He gets a better monthly salary than he ever did working and has made no effort to get work here. The locals here totally fucking hate him. It's tough, he kinda lives in limbo as he has nowhere to go but very little incentive to work as he makes more money on welfare.

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 15 Sep 2019 at 12:25pm

Thanks once more Zen for the picture from over there.

I followed the story of some Fukushima evacuees who were sent to different parts of Japan, and it was mentioned there was discrimination toward them "you were irradiated" etc etc. I wonder how they are going? For your mate, having a good guaranteed salary would be an awesome way to launch a business he has passion for, or maybe give back to the local community (eg teaching baseball or rock climbing). I can only speculate on his behalf but if the locals are offside then it will be harder.

What about for you Zen? Has it altered your choice of surfing or snowboarding spots? Fukushima had a pretty good beachy that barreled before the accident?

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zenagain commented Sunday, 15 Sep 2019 at 12:53pm

Nothing really changed VJ, the earthquake was probs the catalyst for me regularly posting on SN.

I love snowboarding in Fukushima, place is untapped. Starting to come on the gaijin radar for those looking for the real Japanese experience. I'm actually talking with a mate from oz right now as i reckon Niseko and Hakuba have peaked, Fukushima wlll only grow. Looking at getting in the ground floor business-wise.

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 15 Sep 2019 at 8:16pm

Nice work & good luck Zen, I have an idea about the area. Family choose to go to Myoko area over the more popular ones, but I think Myoko is nearer Hakuba? If you look at a map of Japan's ski resorts, there are runs all the way down to the back of south Honshu, I'd expect some of the little areas would be quite epic.

Whatever the Japanese version is of having a hot chocolate watching the wombat burrow through snowdrifts to get under the bar to get near the boiler at Ben Lomond, while pademelons zip around in the snow with the kids in hot pursuit, and not a soul around :)

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Johno210 commented Friday, 13 Sep 2019 at 5:11pm

Recently watched the 5 part TV series 'Chenobyl'
brilliant acting & production
chilling, acts of bravery, stupidity & deception
The Kremlin reckon 31 people died......BS and they have stuck to that number.
Reading the comments by Mikhail Gorbachev, who was General Secretary of the Communist Party at the time. He was quoted as saying the Chenobyl incident was the main reason the USSR split in 90/91.
Chenobyl has cost 100's of billions US, and Ukraine is left with the legacy not only of Chenobyl but a dozen old style USSR reactor's that need de-commissioning in which they have neither the money or a replacement technology....what a fuckup ! How many of these old style USSR reactor's still exist in post Soviet states ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_(miniseries)

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 14 Sep 2019 at 12:37am

Reasons Australia can't be a Nuclear Power
(Please no talk of keeping Nuke waste safe on any site anywhere! That's just bullshit!)

Treaties!
Fed Govt signed No Nuke Weapons, so France has to build our Sub missiles. Shh!
Fed Govt is opposed to Nuke Power...so how does our Space Race leave the ground?
Port / City Councils have been Nuke free along side Unions since 1980 (Exports?)
Argentinian Opal #1 OZ reactor has no treaty with Oz/US/(France our Nuke Teet)

Oz Nuclear Safety + Waste...

By 2006 Oz had begged 41 countries to take our Nuclear Waste...after that? Tell me!
tbb does know that Johnny begged Nauru as shotgun bride # 42.

Oz 3 reactors + many science producers & medical imports generating nuke waste.
1961 -2005 MOATA Waste >(England ,Scotland,France) > End Waste 2016 > US
1958-2007 HIFAR (First Waste > UK > Scotland >France)
Re-opened new > 2007- OPAL (Argentinian) Waste > US > 2016 > France

Accidents:
May 19 Article lists 10 accidents but heaps more since, even today, I kid you not!
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/brisbane/programs/pm/doctors-scramble-as-st...

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6105391/palmer-nuked-by-fake-luca...

2001 Security Risk (Too late-Too easy-Not safe)
https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/why-australia-should-...

2018 Bush fire Risk (Warning)
https://independentaustralia.net/environment/environment-display/sydney-...

2019 Blocked Access Risk (Warning)
https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/5881479/heathcote-road-reopens...

Australian Nuclear Waste Storage sites. (Woomera mostly)
10,000's of 44 Gallon Toxic drums stored since 1939 spread over 100 Oz locations.
Some drums eat out in a week some last past 40 yr/old limit pushing 50yrs (Not bad)

Australia's Handling of Nuke Waste.
EPA & Dozens of Act & Guidelines are purposely broken by Govt mostly undercover.
CSIRO use Robots but other shots see blokes squatting selfies over 1,000 barrels.
As City Union ports are off limits to Nuke Waste....
There's no Secure Rail Freight docking Shipworthy crews & Vessels with Port Unions.

So our Govt Trucks by night! Spill! Oops! Whistles for Banned Hulk & pirate crew.
https://www.theleader.com.au/story/5553716/updated-nuclear-waste-shipmen...
Undercover it leaves port no signatures no questions asked.
https://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=19892

Arrives Daylight in France...WTF is that heap of shit! How is it carrying XXXX brew!
Get yer festering rust bucket outta our country NOW! (I told OZ not in broad daylight)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-02/dispute-over-nuclear-waste-headed...
https://au.news.yahoo.com/radioactive-waste-arrives-in-australia-from-fr...

What more can tbb say! Who here reckons Oz is ready for the big league?
If any in Oz reckon that's the benchmark for going Nuclear, then dig our graves first!
Still must be said...Oz has the world's best Nuke record by far, as fucked up as it is!

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velocityjohnno commented Saturday, 14 Sep 2019 at 10:49pm

Great info tbb, you forgot the #1 reason we'll never be a nuclear power: public holidays not directly joined to weekends.

Eg. Oz Day is on a Thursday, everyone takes the Friday off to create a 4 day long weekend but doesn't tell the boss, nobody comes in on Friday, reactor melts down.

Maybe in the nuclear game the only winning move is not to play.

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nick.minor commented Tuesday, 17 Sep 2019 at 8:57am

Unfortunately treaties do not mean shit unless legislated around. Future legislation can change this due to parliamentary supremacy. There is nothing in the way of us having nuclear power.

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truebluebasher commented Sunday, 15 Sep 2019 at 10:52pm

[NEWS] Today! Japan's environment minister 'No Nukes'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/12/japan-should-scrap-nuclear...

Japan joins Italy,Germany,Switzerland,Belgium,Spain,California in Nuclear Phase Out.
Joining Oz,NZ,Denmark,Norway,Ireland,Greece,Portugal,Austria,Latvia,Malta..etc
Nuclear Power Phase out...2005-2015 World Nuclear Power declined.

World Stage...
Please again! No more Nuke waste contained onsite Fairytales...

1946-1993 (13 countries were constantly dumping Nuclear Waste at sea).
Somalia war broke out & with no Government...every country went whole hog.
$ 1000T to have it blown up & sunk by the Mob or $8T to wave down Somali Pirates.
The world was made to fear Somali pirates confiscating Nuke Waste Hulks.
Oh dear! The naughty pirates are stealing my cargo of Nuclear waste! (re: tbb above)
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/johann-hari/johann-har...
Millions upon millions of tonnes of worlds Nuke waste is buried treasure in Somalia.
Yes Tsunami did expose their plot up to 10kms inland all over the Somali townsfolk.

Post Somalia (2015) 400 Plants dump into the ocean...(Normal to Nuke the ocean!)

tbb is gonna talk about the elephant in the room (Tritium)

Pre tsunami Fukushima only dumped half max T waste into the ocean (Good?)
Post tsunami the cooling has elevated Tritium levels thru the roof.
1.2m tonnes stored = 1800 trillion Bq of T
In turn = 900 yrs of Normal Plant operation = 100 x higher than extreme dose

Textbook solution is strict but is there to guide the only true way out!
You would need to release the max/yr amount proportioned to whole coastline.
Staggered releases over 100 measured 'Nuke free' Japan Coastlines will comply.
Nat'/Marine Parks +Recreational Zones would be excluded.

As unfair as it sounds it dilutes the tritium dump into perfectly lawful doses.
They need not seek approval as everyone in the world does the same.
Greenpeace would be forced to backdown or heckle everyone the same.

Any expert planning a single prefecture release is 100 x the law breaker!
Everyday this scenario draws out, is another pin in Olympic voodoo doll.
Stick to the script & this gunk is outta here before Olympic Ceremony!
Surfers & Fishermen know the measured dose is lesser of all evils. Sorry!
As the story says...All surfers are sucking up some shit & yes it's wrong.

Here's a Tritium story that travels the globe.
1950's Siberian Bomb tests dumped tritium into rivers which crossed Arctic Ocean.
From Greenland the tritium was locked in colder deep water,
Then transported to North Atlantic deep ocean .
Same tritium began moving south and was off Bermuda by early 1980's.
(Story 2012): The same batch will soon curve around South America.
From there back up to North Pacific where the deep water will rise the Tritium.
A whole new era & a world away from where Russia Dumped the tritium in 1950's.

Tritium (Health consequences)
https://www.nirs.org/wp-content/uploads/factsheets/tritiumbasicinfo.pdf

How to mop up Tritium from the ocean.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/prevention-of-the-ocean-pollution-wit...

tbb will switch back to the News....now see if you can spot the tritium expert!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mThGVqy3jD0
Hands up! Who's going surfing with the alien?

https://www.change.org/p/united-nations-stop-fukushima-s-nuclear-waste-f...

Tsunami of the Day ~~~~^~~~/(~~~/(C....[ Shinjiro )

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Blue Blue Room commented Saturday, 14 Sep 2019 at 3:45pm

100m x 100m x100m
That's a huge volume of waste, ohhhhh!!! nooooo!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucfOfNoD108

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Ape Anonymous commented Monday, 16 Sep 2019 at 7:50am

Thanks for saving us all from stupidity TBB!

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truebluebasher commented Monday, 16 Sep 2019 at 9:48am

Ape Anonymous...
Only goes to prove that tbb was stupid enough for being so stupid in the first place.

Reference charts for tbb comments...
These are the Wave Charts for Nuke laden Tsunamis + Planned Mass Ocean Dumping

Boxing day tsunami hits Somalia coastal Nuke Waste Pile bulldozing 10kms inland.
See the dark green massive wave front take out the Global Nuke Dump. (Heavy!)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-24/boxing-day-tsunami-how-the-disast...

2011 Japan tsunami swamped Nuke waste over 'Whole Pacific'+Oz within 24hrs.
Within 18hrs Tsunami front sheared off icebergs from Antarctica.(No doubt toxicity)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9zyZ9SfK8c

Fukushima Nuke Waste release...(2yrs Hawaii / 4yrs US / 10yrs Oz-Pacific-Antarctica)
Toxicity weakens over time...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=84&v=V6woMcnv-x4

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drodders commented Monday, 16 Sep 2019 at 9:52am

Truth be known, all of us have been impacted by the significant numbers of Nuclear Weapons tested in the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s. Kids baby teath (and all of our bones) have quantities of Strontium 90 (as it acts like calcium in the body) in them, all most all of it released by human nuclear activity, and people and all living things will be impacted for thousands of years. Fukushima is just another example of humans creating things they can't quite control.

Remember though all things on earth have evolved in the presence of some form of radiation and can handle some exposure. I'm not suggesting to be happy about what is going on, but compared to what we have done over the last 80 years, this is of no comparison.

Is is a great example of why careful consideration is needed when planning for our ever increasing energy needs into the future.

I think we are more likely to be brought undone by the thousands of ageing nuclear weapons all over the globe just waiting for the next crack pot to get hold of them.

Something has to bring on the next global extinction event, why not us????

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kang commented Monday, 16 Sep 2019 at 1:51pm

Alot of people throwing around fear mongering without any real understanding of radiation. Anyone here avoid a flight, denied a CT scan, avoided going into your basement (more US) because they are afraid of the risk from radiation exposure? I dont think so. Radiation is safe, very safe and well understood.

Lets just get this straight right now, solar is not renewable! Tons of heavy metal components are required to manufacture them (mining + energy output) and wait til the cheap China knock offs come along 5 yrs and off they go into landfill. Lets not even mention problems with inefficiencies. Per unit of mass nuclear is the safest more efficient form of energy we have. Lets not underestimate how many people die as a result of dirty coal being burnt every day.

Lets do the math 7.8x10^14 Bq vs 3.26x10^20 L of water in the oceans. A beta negative particle is the only emission and its half life is 12yrs. This is a reasonable solution.

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caml commented Monday, 16 Sep 2019 at 8:45pm

Who rinses the mouth with sea water when surfing ?

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caml commented Monday, 16 Sep 2019 at 8:45pm

Who rinses the mouth with sea water when surfing ?