Middle East Mess

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frog started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Oct 2023 at 6:41am

Events overnight.

!!!!!!?????

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frog Wednesday, 18 Oct 2023 at 6:53am

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67119233

Hundreds killed in hospital escalating everything.

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gsco Wednesday, 18 Oct 2023 at 7:51am

Reuters:

"the Israeli military blamed on a failed rocket launch by a Palestinian militant group..

"the Israeli military denied responsibility for the blast at the Al-Ahli al-Arabi hospital in Gaza City, suggesting the hospital was hit by a failed rocket launch by the enclave's Palestinian Islamic Jihad military group.

""An analysis of IDF operational systems indicates that a barrage of rockets was fired by terrorists in Gaza, passing in close proximity to the Al Ahli hospital in Gaza at the time it was hit," a spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces said.

""Intelligence from multiple sources we have in our hands indicates that Islamic Jihad is responsible for the failed rocket launch which hit the hospital in Gaza," the spokesperson added."

And:

as per Ray Dalio's recent article.

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frog Wednesday, 18 Oct 2023 at 8:18am

So much can go wrong in urban war.

Blame will be apportioned as suits the various agendas.

Be careful jumping in too soon with opinions.

In the Russian / Ukraine conflict it was easy for the media - Putin could be safely blamed for everything without bothering to even check or pause for reflection - even if it was likely to be a misfired Ukrainian shell (as happened).

Not so easy in the Gaza. Journos mostly treading carefully in this conflict.

There is actual blame for an event which is often hidden in the fog but then there is the reflected blame which can take on a life of its own.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 18 Oct 2023 at 8:24am

Few scenario's.

1. Hamas launch rockets from hospital site as they launch from places like this to use civilian's as a shield, Israel fuck up and hit rocket launch point.

2. Hamas launch rockets from hospital site or next too and screw up.

3. Hamas target a hospital on purpose to claim Israel did it, to gain more support from Western media and your Jellys in an attempt to put pressure on Israel to easy off or stop getting rid of Hamas.

Id be putting ever dollar i have its number three.

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Jelly Flater Wednesday, 18 Oct 2023 at 8:38am

There is also other glaringly obvious scenarios ;)

1. id has no idea
2. id thinks he knows shit and just makes stuff up
3. id has no idea

There is overwhelming evidence for this ;)

- when id jumps to conclusions it’s backed up by assumptions only.
It’s another symptom of going full …… ;)

He’s not retired, but he did spend years in construction… he is a ……

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Roadkill Wednesday, 18 Oct 2023 at 9:30am

Jelly, who do you think bombed the hospital?

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Roadkill Wednesday, 18 Oct 2023 at 9:40am
indo-dreaming wrote:

Few scenario's.

1. Hamas launch rockets from hospital site as they launch from places like this to use civilian's as a shield, Israel fuck up and hit rocket launch point.

2. Hamas launch rockets from hospital site or next too and screw up.

3. Hamas target a hospital on purpose to claim Israel did it, to gain more support from Western media and your Jellys in an attempt to put pressure on Israel to easy off or stop getting rid of Hamas.

Id be putting ever dollar i have its number three.

4. Israel erroneously bombed the hospital.

5. Israel deliberately bombed the hospital.

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burleigh Wednesday, 18 Oct 2023 at 9:41am

Roadkill is all good with the hospital bombing according to his post yesterday.

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Roadkill Wednesday, 18 Oct 2023 at 9:47am
burleigh wrote:

Roadkill is all good with the hospital bombing according to his post yesterday.

A child's response as usual.

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Optimist Wednesday, 18 Oct 2023 at 9:53am

It was a western baptist Christian hospital.
Islamic jihad Hamas would have no regrets bombing that one to get people accusing Israel.
Hamas kill their own to get the gullible world onside and are even blocking evacuations from the area Israel want to clean up.
It would be nice if this were a discussion thread without dumping dozens of edited videos on it.

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thermalben Wednesday, 18 Oct 2023 at 10:00am

Duplicate thread... have copied all of these comments over to the main one here:

https://www.swellnet.com/forums/politico/571321