Anzac spirit dead ?

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inzider started the topic in Saturday, 30 Sep 2017 at 8:02am

A kiwi can live in Australia on a special category visa with literally less rights than a refugee, An Australian can rock into NZ and have access to healthcare, education, welfare and after 12 months of residency can vote. I feel the Anzac spirit is dead at a federal level.
Why has this happened
I have my own ideas on how this evolved, any swillnutters care to share their opinion.

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Gaz1799 Wednesday, 4 Oct 2017 at 9:38pm

Do you want russel crowe back? You can have barnaby joyce too if you like. No trouble.

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lukas Wednesday, 4 Oct 2017 at 9:43pm

bloody bakers dozen, doin, there home work !!!! Rusty moved over here on his own accord. Rusty paid for local swimmin pools, & propped up a local sports field in the area where i live............. he lives just up the hill, about 1km as the crow flies........ ben, sniff sniff, well done. do ya drive a blue triton ?

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Herc Thursday, 5 Oct 2017 at 1:39am

'please Herc, please, don't tell me you like that fuckin red head ?'

Na, totally off the redhead. Lincoln was embarrassed enough when the old mayor became her no one fan, although thankfully that was the end of him.

Gaz, its been said before... but please stop Gaz. The bumbling is starting to get beyond repair Gaz. Please Gaz, just stop. Before rusty bounces a mobile or 20 off the back of your scone. Gaz.

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Gaz1799 Thursday, 5 Oct 2017 at 9:29am

"FFS have a look at how long, and how much, and how ever expanding is our culture's love of exploiting 'immigrants' in their own countries. Our culture doesn't give a shit about how much it outsources and exploits labour, as long as it can make a buck." Hardly unique to "our" culture though is it herc, piss poor pay/exploitation/slavery are pretty universal.

I was gonna try and link Howard/The Red Witch/Nationalism/ANZAC/White Australia/Europe and jeeze you're right its a bit of a bumble.

But I'll still bumble on. If anyone's gonna have 20 mobile phones handy it'd be Russell Crowe but hopefully I can dodge the rest after the first one.

@lukas- nah no blue triton, I'm not from Sydney.

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Gaz1799 Thursday, 5 Oct 2017 at 9:50am

@inzider - just read some of your earlier comments on cost of living pay rates etc.

I know the oz government guards citizenship because we have generous welfare but I just had a look at New Zealands and it almost looks better, dependin on cost of living. Obviously loads of variables.

Things in oz aren't rosey either now. Cost of living is mental, power bills are $1000 a quarter minimum and private health is now so expensive its made itself redundant. Fuel isn't too bad at $1.20 at the moment tho. Our medicare/public health system is on the verge of collapse in SA they were turning ambulances away 2 weeks ago or they had them lined up 20 deep at the hospital ramps refusing them entry.

I'm surprised the kiwi government hasn't reciprocated a lot of the things you mentioned in the thread topic I doubt it would do any political damage.

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Herc Thursday, 5 Oct 2017 at 10:15am

' Hardly unique to "our" culture though is it herc, piss poor pay/exploitation/slavery are pretty universal.'

That's true Gaz, but just because someone else is morbidly obese for instance, doesn't make it ok for Ozzies to lead the way in obesity. We are supposed to be the bastion of 'advancement', and love parading all this nationalistic Anzac pride. But the actual truth is:

'na fuck our Ozzie groms, corse we can exploit a third world abused slave to do basic accounting tasks, graphics tasks, assembling, manufacturing, communication, well anything that would give our Ozzie groms training and a stable, comfortable career path and lifestyle and future'.

And a stable, comfortable career path and lifestyle and future isn't even on the agenda in the bastion of truth (well just a few fibs), justice and the American wizard of Oz, Anzac hall of fame. Its a shame that the deceitful, thick headed poms didn't listen and learn a bit more about real legacy, about really handing something on, leaving something truly great to the kids, from Indigenous Australians, before they stubbornly fucked up and got washed away and rescued at Gundagai.

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inzider Friday, 6 Oct 2017 at 6:19am

Fuck it I have to say it again
I agree Herc
A familiar theme between nz and oz is our love of inporting cheap labour at the expense of not training our youth for the jobs
How govts get away with letting national and multinational companies do this does my head in.
I read recently SA has some rediculous rate of youth unemployment.
Granted some kids are fat and lazy but who let them get like that.

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velocityjohnno Friday, 6 Oct 2017 at 11:21pm

Going back to NZiders original post about working conditions, I had a look at my old surveyor's dig a few months ago and it now pays about 20% less than it did in 2007. It's just mind blowing that organised labour has gone along with the increased immigration levels in the name of diversity, and completely thrown their members under a large bus. What isn't being talked about is the amount of productive industry (ie, value adding) that we have lost and papered over with a housing bubble - letting the entire world in to bid, to keep the prices up, so that the Day of Reckoning should be delayed. It's demoralising to see what has been done to Australian youth as well - job opportunities, uni opportunities sold off to any bidder from overseas; career paths now a rotisserie of internships that might lead to something. For the homeless young, some of whom I surf with, I have no answers.

Anzac spirit? Well, great uncle was 7th Division, saw action on Kokoda and in the Solomons (which sounded worse)... his generation fought and kept Australia sovereign. How it was sold off so cheaply from under all of us is just appalling. Now you can have your $1000 quarterly power bill (thank fcuk for solar), you will never see those incredible Tassie veggies on your dinner plate as they go offshore - and you will like it!

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eat-your-vegies Saturday, 7 Oct 2017 at 2:50am

So when you ozy taxpayers have finished paying for the NBN network, how cheap do you think the govt will sell it off ?

And how much MORE will private companies charge for the service you paid for in the first place ?..?