Ghost Riders 'the future of big wave surfing'

Hi Caml

Some videos below, just part of the explanation:

Ok good on you roy thanks . Will check them out soon

I wonder how the tail rolls if a vb ' s front side doggy door exit is required and the rider is hanging forward of the greyhound tail. The science behind the design look good.

The tail just sinks during the turn, not a problem.

As soon as I saw the plan shapes I couldn't help but think of those old wooden surf skis the clubbies used to use, which might not seem a promising start but when I watched Roy's talk on the pitch fulcrum, it started to make sense. If you are sitting down you want to be pretty sure that you can control things from where you are. Same applies during a take off on a big wave. So good luck with the project. It will be great to see the footage whenever it comes.

Roy I noticed you have only raised $235 leaving $39,765.00 to get your little project off the ground. Is the lack of interest concerning.
In your video surfboard designer takes on the establishment you make some claims about the surfing world and industry being "rotten" that the "rotten surf industry" is holding you up with "there corruption. Care to elaborate on how the industry is holding everyone back?

Wharfjunkie wrote:

Roy I noticed you have only raised $235 leaving $39,765.00 to get your little project off the ground. Is the lack of interest concerning.
In your video surfboard designer takes on the establishment you make some claims about the surfing world and industry being "rotten" that the "rotten surf industry" is holding you up with "there corruption. Care to elaborate on how the industry is holding everyone back?

Nah not really (though I could) was just having a rant. I have better things to do, some nice new pigments have arrived :)

The crowdfunding was worth a shot, a bit of fun.

blindboy wrote:

As soon as I saw the plan shapes I couldn't help but think of those old wooden surf skis the clubbies used to use, which might not seem a promising start but when I watched Roy's talk on the pitch fulcrum, it started to make sense. If you are sitting down you want to be pretty sure that you can control things from where you are. Same applies during a take off on a big wave. So good luck with the project. It will be great to see the footage whenever it comes.

Thanks BB.

It is an interesting subject though Roy, how the surf industry is holding back surfing and board design.

mh wrote:

I wonder how the tail rolls if a vb ' s front side doggy door exit is required and the rider is hanging forward of the greyhound tail. The science behind the design look good.

Who the fuck is mh ? Pretty little picture boy ...

Mullet Head .

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Caml commented just now that there's nothing worse than a single fin, given that the Ghost model is primarily a singlefin, and given that Caml is busy with his 'Desert Storm' model which is working so well I think that there's not much point in going ahead with this. I don't want to try and snake anyone's team rider either.

I've given quite a lot of info on the shapes so anyone who sees merit in them should be able to make one.

I'm just going to keep making them for myself, that's what I get the most enjoyment out of.

why roy , guys have said they will ride them for testing . are u a little skeptical that they won't enjoy them as much as their own favourite custom ordered rides , just because people are riding different equipment doesn't mean they won't validate your design . Or do you see limitations in your design , that you are unwilling to test ?
PS i'm pretty sure caml loves single fins and apart from guys that lived the 60-70's has spent more time in tubes than most on single fins .
I also think that people were extremely keen to try your whale bump warp drive fins .

Caml's own words today: "worst scenario is a single fin too big or too blunt / thick foil .try goin down the line with that attached to your board"

Can't really send single finned boards in that scenario.

As I said there's enough info out there to copy my shapes and it is more efficient to do so... if the crew like them then realistically that's what will happen anyway given existing surfer/shaper relationships, the hassle of getting boards from NZ and the fact that I only make a few boards a year.

I don't need testing or validation either, and if there were known defects I would already have fixed them... there never have been I've been getting it right first time since last century.

I thought I'd have a shot at getting the shapes into the big time but the interest level is low.... plus I don't really like selling boards anyway, with one obvious exception.

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Think we were all looking forward to seeing how they go Roy. Can someone over in NZ take over the test piloting?
Ps. I'm available if you cover the flights, pay for a babysitter and it's not over 8 foot.
Keep it in mind mate

Little Red Hen brother DD, I'll ride 'em myself, industry stuff isn't really me anyway.

Anyone curious enough can get a slab of foam and go for it.

Sorry ? Roy Did I say that r u sure ? Where ?

On another thread "worst scenario is a single fin too big or too blunt / thick foil .try goin down the line with that attached to your board'

My singles are pretty big and are relatively thick in the foil.

There's just not a lot of interest in this either, and the crowdfunding thing is a flop.

Perhaps Wayne could make one for you to try? Just trying to be practical.

Well I just read everything I wrote today and cant see any criticism of single fins .

What thread ? I think that was talking about something else on another topic some time ago .

Sorry my mistake it's on this thread from 8 months ago http://www.swellnet.com/comment/477882

Yep thats right , just talking about some of the horrific foils ive seen usually from the pre 1980 s . I used to get old single fin boards from the 70s era and refoil the fin myself to improve performance . Or even cut the fin off & replace it with a sleek foil or a box so I could put in a favorite fin or different sizes .

I'm with you man, used to do the same thing...have been sick as a dog for four months... no waves... it's getting me down.

Roy im allowed to ride any board I like to, im not a team rider for anyone unless they paid me & that has never happened .i actually buy my DS boards , I spend hours studying the dimensions & talk with webby extensively . Its actually a big ask to get the boards made how I want . I think your fins are amazing and hope to one day use some of the bumpy edge or other types of foils .I would never say your boards or fins are slow . I respect what you do very much . Thanks for trying to get the ghost riders underway too

Appreciate your honest response, I'm down the mine but still working, will do my best.

Rode a few head high waves on the new 10 footer on thursday... four months out of the water and still have the flu so was doing well to even stand up, no great result due to poor rider quality but the board felt smooth, though quites small. Asymmetry wasn't noticeable, probably because I only got to use the inside rail. Got a couple of waves on video, can post it up but I'm not saying it's good surfing. Eleven footer being glassed at present. Feeling better today anyway.

This board, with a 9" fin, could probably go smaller on the fin though it felt fine.

I have to test them first., a process which I've just started on the 10 footer above.

I also copped a lot of abuse for the crowdfunding campaign, which makes me a little tardy, although of course I'm still in the game and have appreciated all the positive input from Camel, Brutus and other members here, so look forward to giving something back when it's ready.

Please stop with the personal attacks, OK?

Looks like you could kick hard with a tail like that?

penmister wrote:

Looks like you could kick hard with a tail like that?

You mean back foot pressure through turns?

I mean kicking for a wave at take off..got some room to kick your feet in the water..

Yeah could work although the volume is concentrated a bit forward of centre so the paddling position might be a bit far forward for that.

She's a beast be fun to try work out..thanks for pictures...

She feels a lot shorter than the length suggests, probably because there's not a lot in the last foot of the tail. I'm going to have another sesh at the point on her this Friday, hopefully will get the sweet spot dialled.