FIN KNOWLEDGE
How do they Work with Futures ?
Screw em in I guess.
FCS Cant Deg is set in the Box
Futures Cant is built into the Fin
udo wrote:FCS Cant Deg is set in the Box
Futures Cant is built into the Fin
I think they have two angles built into it. Or an angle and a 0 degree slot straight down for single tab.
Ok Gotcha
Not sure of amount of FCS Cant Degrees obtainable...
freeride76 wrote:I'm roughly your size and use EA mediums for boards in that range.
i scored a set of Erick's from liams shop on the north shore.
just hanging in the junk bin.
just front fins and run them as quads with some quad rears.
they could be protos the Ericks are solid glass super stiff
go to big wave fins.
like running stiff fronts
super flexy rears in some boards.
Quads only.
udo wrote:Ok Gotcha
Not sure of amount of FCS Cant Degrees obtainable...
https://www.instagram.com/p/CzHBNcMNm_x/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=da25...
Hey Udo
Matt Kazuma’s last 3 insta posts are about it and he’s answering questions in the comments.
They use shims to get the fcs angles.
lostdoggy wrote:udo wrote:Ok Gotcha
Not sure of amount of FCS Cant Degrees obtainable...
https://www.instagram.com/p/CzHBNcMNm_x/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=da25...Yeh i saw them load the Red Shim in First Vid....i guess a Diff Colour Shim for Diff amount of Degree ?
Hey Udo
Matt Kazuma’s last 3 insta posts are about it and he’s answering questions in the comments.
They use shims to get the fcs angles.
Stu, Have you tried the $55 Machado Quads yet...anyone else buy a Set ?
I dug out a board from storage that I haven’t surfed in 20+ years. It was Murrays personal board he had shaped for sunset and I was desperate for a board as snapped mine and was heading to indo . He reluctantly sold it to me as he had nothing suitable in stock . I was never clued in on fins but this board is one of the best Ive ever owned. The rear fins were tiny and I haven’t seen anything like them since . I’m keen to try them on my 7’6”” DS . 
Plastic fins! Tiny rear fins because the front pair are big and rakey..
How thick is that board? Looks like 2 point something?
Sorry to say- that's not a real sunset board mate!
Clam wrote:Plastic fins! Tiny rear fins because the front pair are big and rakey..
How thick is that board? Looks like 2 point something?
Sorry to say- that's not a real sunset board mate!
Well I will pass that on to muz thanks clam . I’ve never been to Hawaii and wouldn’t know what does and doesn’t work but I assure you muz made it for himself to surf sunset ( at what size I have no idea ) They are certainly different fins and went unreal in that board , have you tried them ?
Clam wrote:Plastic fins! Tiny rear fins because the front pair are big and rakey..
How thick is that board? Looks like 2 point something?
Sorry to say- that's not a real sunset board mate!
Says 2 + 9/16”
Just a sign of the era.
Muz probably added half an inch width and a 1/3” thickness compared to his indo boards too haha
Looks like a 7'4 - 7'6 Rawson Outline of a Kong Sunset Board ?
Sounds good in theory to me. I’ve always loved quads on fast hollow beach breaks and reefs , but hated them on long point breaks where long bottom turning is a real important thing. The reversal of the norm in quads might do the job and could be a great all rounder but I think the true long bottom turn requires the drag of a tail fin to be pure and smooth…..that’s if it’s not 80 ft ha ha.
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Stunet what are your thoughts on the above vid with c drives as a quad setup?
A question about fin placement
No matter the board size are the fins placed in the same position in relation to the end of the board for example
Cheers
GuySmiley wrote:A question about fin placement
No matter the board size are the fins placed in the same position in relation to the end of the board for example
Cheers
No.
Here’s a guy from swaylocks, Michael Ward’s guide for thruster placement by board length.
So the longer the board, the centre fin moves a little forward but not as far forward as the side fins, ie the cluster spreads out as well.
https://dmpv0rmlw3a5q.cloudfront.net/original/3X/6/6/66893ca43ed714800f5...
But different shapers would also have different placements.
Looks like a bit of switchblade in the outline and Hanalei in the inside foil.
Available now in Alpha construction US
lostdoggy wrote:GuySmiley wrote:A question about fin placement
No matter the board size are the fins placed in the same position in relation to the end of the board for example
Cheers
No.
Here’s a guy from swaylocks, Michael Ward’s guide for thruster placement by board length.
So the longer the board, the centre fin moves a little forward but not as far forward as the side fins, ie the cluster spreads out as well.https://dmpv0rmlw3a5q.cloudfront.net/original/3X/6/6/66893ca43ed714800f5...
But different shapers would also have different placements.
Cheers lostdoggy, thanks
The Hanalei link udo posted above is really good, Guy.
Just saw that, yes its good, thanks Udo
GuySmiley wrote:A question about fin placement
No matter the board size are the fins placed in the same position in relation to the end of the board for example
Cheers
When I started making boards I measured the fin placement of all my boards... did my head in they were all different even on boards similar now I just look at similar boards and do the average sort of depending on wanting more drive or tighter turning radius, one thing that doesn't generally change for the forward thruster fins is the distance from the rail depending on the type of rail.
Thanks ifocus and lostdoggy
I have a CIMid 7’10” FCS2 2+1 and the front tip of the sidebites are 410mm +/- from the very tip from the rounded pin (measured as a straight line). The profile shape of CIs 2+1 and Twin Mid are meant to be identical, ignoring differences in thickness and perhaps bottom shape. The largest CI Twin Mid Ive got my hands on was a 7’2” and the leading edge of the Futures box was 310 mm +/- from the tip of the rounded pin.
Ignoring the fact that CI recommend 2 sized /shaped keels on the Futures based Twin Mids my original question was really asking about the 100 mm or greater/lesser difference in the placement of the side fins of the two boards. Am I missing something here?
Even if the difference is significant does it really matter on a 7’10” anyway? Ultimately I’m thinking about shelling out $150+ on FCS keels to see if I can get on twin revolution:))
I reckon those boards would be better as the single/sides, particularly in surf coast waves which is where I think you are.
It would work as a twin though but I’d probably ask around to borrow a set to try rather than buying.
Borrow or Buy Second Hand.....or buy some S-Wings ...
https://www.bravosurf.com.au/products/s-wings-twin520-red-fcs?variant=40...
Love to give the S-wings a go in something like clean 3 to 4ft
There's some Deus branded FCS2 fibreglass modern keels in the sale section of the fcs site if you do go down the new path.
GuySmiley wrote:Thanks ifocus and lostdoggy
I have a CIMid 7’10” FCS2 2+1 and the front tip of the sidebites are 410mm +/- from the very tip from the rounded pin (measured as a straight line). The profile shape of CIs 2+1 and Twin Mid are meant to be identical, ignoring differences in thickness and perhaps bottom shape. The largest CI Twin Mid Ive got my hands on was a 7’2” and the leading edge of the Futures box was 310 mm +/- from the tip of the rounded pin.
Ignoring the fact that CI recommend 2 sized /shaped keels on the Futures based Twin Mids my original question was really asking about the 100 mm or greater/lesser difference in the placement of the side fins of the two boards. Am I missing something here?
Even if the difference is significant does it really matter on a 7’10” anyway? Ultimately I’m thinking about shelling out $150+ on FCS keels to see if I can get on twin revolution:))
Can't help with 2 + 1 I have NFI only made one board using them a 9' 3" mal Bob Mctavish Fireball sort of out line with a few tweeks asked some of the local blokes who make longboards and went with whatever they told me.
One thing you can do is have a look at the tail rail hard edge and see how far they run it forward before rolling it in and rounding it that may give you a guide (may not too :-)).
Also with twins some thing that was said to me the other day is size of the fin will / can affect tail lift.
Wise thinking ifocus cheers
lostdoggy wrote:Looks like a bit of switchblade in the outline and Hanalei in the inside foil.
Futures made scimitar nearly 20 years ago, long before switchblades
2006
Forgot about them.
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Switchblade Thruster Set in Futures
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Stuart - How are you Finding the $55 Machado Quads ?
Hi All ,
after a bit of your vast wisdom here , got myself a tiny 5'8 fish for small mushy waves , in 78 kgs and currently have fcs g'3 s in it but find them to lack drive and speed anyone have any suggestions on what would be more suitable fins for speed / drive in small waves , old school fcs plugs in the board tri fin .
help would be greatly appreciated .
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