Peace will never take root

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peterb started the topic in Tuesday, 23 May 2017 at 8:27pm

..... in a society where violence is tolerated.

President Trump, days after signing a multi-billion dollar arms agreement with Saudi Arabia.
Discuss.
No one else is.

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zenagain Monday, 29 Apr 2019 at 7:40pm

Local bus too, pull over and old ladies would just squat and piss right next to you. People hacking and spitting out the window, bus lurching around jungle trails big drops either side, packed to the hilt with people, produce and funnily enough- ducks.

I'll never forget the ducks- ha ha.

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zenagain Monday, 29 Apr 2019 at 7:44pm

Anyhoo, back to thread chaps.

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factotum Tuesday, 30 Apr 2019 at 4:21pm

Fuck-a-duck, Zen! You've taken me right back there! I forgot to mention they were the tiniest bus seats ever too!

Flight from Vientiane to Siem Reap was a let-down in comparison. Too normal!

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zenagain Tuesday, 30 Apr 2019 at 4:29pm

Ha ha- I reckon we must have done a similar trip. Laos was kinda a way of winding my way back to Bangkok after motoring around the Golden Triangle.

btw on a final note, that little dodgy village, did you get accosted on arrival by kids asking not for money but spare ballpoint pens? I thought that was charming.

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factotum Tuesday, 30 Apr 2019 at 4:31pm

Curls, just saw your post!

You're the "annoying, condescending, politically correct, belittling know it all - trying to keep the deplorables in line...?'

Know how to handle yourself then? Or you the local funny man? Both? Picked on poor cunt? Dealer? No, don't answer that... (I've been re-watching Weeds)

"From my warped perspective - and I am a true believer in some parts of post modernism - this is a result of the fetishisation of identity politics as much as anything else."

From my warped, but admittedly insider perspective, a bigger problem is not 'cultural marxism' and 'identity politix' (who the fuck does humanities these days?!), but the orthodoxy that is peddled in higher education economics courses of all dubious stripes.

MBAs are a cancer!

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factotum Tuesday, 30 Apr 2019 at 4:35pm

Zen, no, but I do recall drinking some moped/boat petrol masquerading as alcohol there. My rationale? Something to do with mozzie repellent?!

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velocityjohnno Tuesday, 30 Apr 2019 at 7:39pm

Blowin, as per request for links to young identitarians in Europe, sources are a brief summary from a Startpage search:

https://www.economist.com/europe/2018/03/28/how-identitarian-politics-is...

https://www.dw.com/en/identitarian-movement-germanys-new-right-hipsters/...

http://katehon.com/article/mission-identitarian-movement-europe

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-12-19/meet-identitarians-europes-new-right

https://ecpr.eu/Filestore/PaperProposal/ff2ea4db-2b74-4479-8175-7e7e4686...

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17931149-generation-identity-a-decla...

The young have been more socialist generally (including me at the time) but the Gen Z kids mark a bit of a departure. Trying to understand this is helped by recognising their lives have been subject to the fallout of the policy dreamed up by the 'Generation of '68', so they take a different view of it. Living in a world where identities of many ethnic groups are celebrated and their past denied or portrayed as shameful, they are discovering their own identity and past and are realising it is worth defending.

They are not the same as the yellow vests (although they may agree on much), who are middle/lower class French people economically squeezed to the point of rebellion, pushed over the ledge by the 20% diesel tax for climate change, and banning of diesel cars in towns and cities that Macron proposed. And they have rioted further in the fine Gallic tradition, torching government buildings and smashing every speed camera they can find.

I'm guessing identitarians feed into votes for AfD, and other similar parties (witness their success in Italy, Holland, Germany, Hungary, Poland). The May EU elections are going to be extremely interesting, as coalitions of these parties should do quite well. Also, if these hipsters are fascists, notice that they are a continental thing and haven't really taken off in the UK, just as things were in the 1930s.

A quote from Matteo Salvini, now in charge of Italy:

"Ironically, I see more leftist values in the European right than in some left-wing parties; these parties and these movements are those that today defend workers, those who lead right battles. Thus, I do not see anything strange to look for a dialogue with who today embodies the resistance to this wrong Europe."

from his wiki article: note that he started out as far left and has realised that it is the right popular parties that are the ones who will defend workers. He also marries the notion of preserving the people of Italy with defending workers' rights and conditions.

Hope that helps.

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Blowin Tuesday, 30 Apr 2019 at 7:39pm

Cheers , mate.

I’ll check those links out.

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sypkan Tuesday, 30 Apr 2019 at 8:43pm

"They are not the same as the yellow vests (although they may agree on much), who are middle/lower class French people economically squeezed to the point of rebellion, pushed over the ledge by the 20% diesel tax for climate change, and banning of diesel cars in towns and cities that Macron proposed. And they have rioted further in the fine Gallic tradition, torching government buildings and smashing every speed camera they can find."

We could do with some serious speed camera smashing here.

I think there is a certain irony to the yellow vest thing that has been totally overlooked. Them donning the yellow vest is an irony. It is a symbolic resistance to the nanny state that means that every french person must have a yellow vest in their cars - punishable by law.

I'd say smashing the speed cameras isn't just about rebellion and anger at speed fines either, it is a push back against the surveillance state. Cameras everywhere are becoming way over the top. It's fucking creepy, and it isn't just governments doing it. Private enterprise are all over it too, for promotions as much as security. Even the humble surfcam is contributing to an overstepping of the mark in my opinion.

Some public places should remain private, yes a contradiction of terms, but we do not need every inch of the globe to be under constant surveillance.

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factotum Tuesday, 30 Apr 2019 at 10:23pm

I wager, just an educated guess, mind, going by your other output on here, that, again I wager, you've never been to France, and that you, Sypkan, ipso facto, are full of absolute fucking shit.

And I'm not a gambling man! Go figure!

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sypkan Wednesday, 1 May 2019 at 7:34am

So you're cool with the surveillance state?

The thought police?

A chinese style good citizen account?

Of course you are, going by your output on here these things are right up your alley...

I thought the french were too cool for all that nanny state bullshit, too live and let live for all that social engineering crap.

They are.

But their 'leaders' aren't. They're just as far, if not further down this totalitarian government control road than we are, and the frenchies don't like it either...

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factotum Thursday, 2 May 2019 at 10:29am

Mate, you haven't been to France, or here either, hey?

https://rsf.org/es/node/32768

And don't get me started on the UKs CCTV culture.

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factotum Wednesday, 1 May 2019 at 10:37am

Another anecdote just 'cos I know you guys love 'em.

I dig France.

Complex, contradictory, haughty, arrogant, expansive, close-minded, poetic.

A place of revolution and of the coronation of Napoleon 15 years later. A nation of the Vichy Government and the French resistance. Historically good mates of the Scottish and haters of the English. And both haters and lovers of the USA, again historically, even sometimes simultaneously.

Around the first time I ever went there, I remembered an old Tracks where Terry Fitzgerald was asked about the (in)famous French arrogance and how he dealt with it. He replied that he had no problem, he just 'out-arroganted' them, and they respected, if not actually liked it!

I must say on my many travels there, using that as a cultural guide, that it actually worked more often than not!

Oh yeah, I was also involved with a French-Israeli woman for a time in London. Wowee! Now there was some A grade arrogance to erm, grapple with!

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sypkan Wednesday, 1 May 2019 at 1:22pm

No I haven't been to france. I'd tell you about my FCUK (French Connection U K..nt). But you'd just use it against me....as you do...

Suffice to say, I've spent plenty of time with them, including a left wing academic who talked a lot like me, including this unprovoked gem "...hilary clinton is what got trump electected...", straight up, before I'd even uttered a word.

I like the french too. I fjnd most aussies don't particularly like them.

They just seem more wise and balanced in their societal views and personalities, their woman make a mockery of much of english speaking world's feminism, hence metoo being a bit of a dud for them. I won't even say what the guys I know said about aussie .....

I am liking your annecdotes factobum, and your more sharing (but not necessarily caring) persona of late...

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factotum Wednesday, 1 May 2019 at 1:32pm

"I'd tell you about my FCUK (French Connection U K..nt)"

Huh?

Is that an example of the much vaunted ad whatchamacallit thingamajig attack? Hominid something or other, man?

I dunno, gotta check Blowipedia...

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AndyM Wednesday, 1 May 2019 at 2:18pm

I haven't been to France but I've been to paradise - does that count for anything?

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factotum Wednesday, 1 May 2019 at 6:19pm

Been undressed by kings, and seen some things...hey Andy?

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stunet Wednesday, 1 May 2019 at 3:33pm

Sorry Andy, it doesn't count, you've gotta run to paradise.

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AndyM Wednesday, 1 May 2019 at 6:16pm

Yeah but you only ever did it just for fun.

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factotum Wednesday, 1 May 2019 at 6:21pm

Actually, check the lyrics out of both those songs. There's some dark, dark undercurrents there. No joke!

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factotum Wednesday, 1 May 2019 at 8:20pm

"Take me down to the Paradise city, where GG gets naked, and things get shitty, oh, won't you please take me home..."

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AndyM Wednesday, 1 May 2019 at 8:24pm

GG - the Governor General??

Weird fantasy but hey, whatever floats your boat.

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factotum Wednesday, 1 May 2019 at 8:36pm

Y'know Andy, that actually works in a truly disturbing way. You are talking about Peter Hollingworth, yes?

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AndyM Wednesday, 1 May 2019 at 8:47pm

Umm, sure...

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factotum Wednesday, 1 May 2019 at 11:02pm

Here he is at an Anzac ceremony...I think it's the official portrait hanging up wherever they hang that sorta shit up...

Though I may be wrong...

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AndyM Thursday, 2 May 2019 at 12:42am

Definitely an Anzac thing, you can tell by those poppies.

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factotum Thursday, 2 May 2019 at 10:24am
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Blowin Thursday, 2 May 2019 at 12:37pm

$600K per year !

Should be castrated with rusty scissors if anything.