Peace will never take root

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peterb started the topic in Tuesday, 23 May 2017 at 8:27pm

..... in a society where violence is tolerated.

President Trump, days after signing a multi-billion dollar arms agreement with Saudi Arabia.
Discuss.
No one else is.

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 23 May 2017 at 8:40pm

Business as usual Pete.

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peterb commented Tuesday, 23 May 2017 at 9:15pm

Violence will always take root in a society where where peace cannot be tolerated.
And America will provide the weapons.
Discuss.

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happyasS commented Tuesday, 23 May 2017 at 10:26pm

trump has no moral or ethical bone in his body.

hes the sort to completely turn a blind eye when business is involved.

'open for business' was the pertinent reference here in australia. many parallels in my mind.

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Gaz1799 commented Wednesday, 24 May 2017 at 9:33am

https://www.vox.com/2017/5/20/15626638/trump-saudi-arabia-arms-deal

I'm clueless about middle-eastern bullshit but it looks like a group in Yemen is raging against the saudi's and have the backing of iran? So I'm assuming the US is backing the saudi's to finger iran?

So now they're dropping another $100bil of weapons into the middle east. What could possibly go wrong? It's worked out really well every other time.

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peterb commented Wednesday, 24 May 2017 at 10:17am

gazi ...
These are the major middle-eastern players whose intention is to establish a nuclear-armed peace in their region in our time.
Saudi + USA + Israel
These are the players their weapons are pointed at.
Russia + Syria + Iran
These are the players sitting on the fence.
Egypt + Turkey

I like it simple.

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talkingturkey commented Wednesday, 24 May 2017 at 10:38am

"It's not goodies versus baddies, it's baddies versus baddies"

K.I.S.S

I think you'll agree that this savvy, sage and sober assessment pretty much covers all the Middle East bases.

Now who was that particular "suppository of wisdom" again?

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peterb commented Wednesday, 24 May 2017 at 11:14am

... and not to forget the long-prepared battleground, Iraq.

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talkingturkey commented Wednesday, 24 May 2017 at 11:41am

Saddam was one bad, bad hombre.

All evil losers.

Yew!

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Gaz1799 commented Wednesday, 24 May 2017 at 11:43am

I think I prefer it simple too. I'll be honest the middle-east is that cooked I just tune it out now when I see something on it. Life's simpler that way. I remember a time when the name Isis was only used by strippers and Saddam was the only middle-eastern madman we had to hear about.

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peterb commented Wednesday, 24 May 2017 at 12:10pm

Makes you want to love your neighbour.

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Mort commented Saturday, 1 Jul 2017 at 9:54pm

Peace will never take root, it is a Profound Question. I do not have a Green Thumb, but I have a little bit of understanding about this World.

We can be mean, really, we can be mean. We also be kind, really, we can be kind. I am searchin for the weeds, why they are weeds. I used to piss my Mum off and pull out her nice plants, so I didn't have to pull out the bloody weeds.

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Mort commented Saturday, 1 Jul 2017 at 11:16pm

..-..--..-.

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philosurphizing... commented Sunday, 2 Jul 2017 at 7:49am

I remember listening to bbc radio in the early hours of the morning and they were playing Trumps foreign policy speech, this was prior to him becoming president.
The one thing that struck me was the number of times Iran was mentioned.

Looks as though the world won't change much for the next 100 years because that's how long the oil reserves will last.

And the corporatocracy wants to own Irans oil.

Proved oil reserves in Iran, according to its government, rank fourth largest in the world at approximately 150 billion barrels (24×109 m3) as of 2013, although it ranks third if Canadian reserves of unconventional oil are excluded.[1] This is roughly 10% of the world's total proven petroleum reserves. At 2006 rates of production, Iran's oil reserves would last 98 years if no new oil was found.

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philosurphizing... commented Sunday, 2 Jul 2017 at 7:49am

I remember listening to bbc radio in the early hours of the morning and they were playing Trumps foreign policy speech, this was prior to him becoming president.
The one thing that struck me was the number of times Iran was mentioned.

Looks as though the world won't change much for the next 100 years because that's how long the oil reserves will last.

And the corporatocracy wants to own Irans oil.

Proved oil reserves in Iran, according to its government, rank fourth largest in the world at approximately 150 billion barrels (24×109 m3) as of 2013, although it ranks third if Canadian reserves of unconventional oil are excluded.[1] This is roughly 10% of the world's total proven petroleum reserves. At 2006 rates of production, Iran's oil reserves would last 98 years if no new oil was found.

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Gaz1799 commented Tuesday, 4 Jul 2017 at 11:21am

To anyone who knows middle-eastern politics - do you think the US would be silently backing Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Bahrain in their plight against Qatar or do they have an interest in Qatar's longevity?

Apparently the US already hosts an airbase there jointly with the USA & the British from the gulf war. Google machine says Qatar has 12,000 defence force personnel in total so they don't really have any kind of military deterrent to add to their tough negotiating stance against the bigger players.

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frog commented Tuesday, 4 Jul 2017 at 9:14pm

The answer to the ME questions are Yes while it is very profitable, Yes if it sells more arms, No if it helps Russia in any way, Yes if it is scary to the US population and europe allowing manipulation of scared sheeple (early ISIS) but No if is a bit too scary and too many heads get chopped off (later ISIS), Yes if if makes nuclear Armageddon seem more likely to justify more arms build up but No (hopefully) if someone is almost about to push the button, Yes if it makes desired bad guys look bad whether they did it or not and No if it allows non US aligned countries make a good quid. Yes if it make Putin look bad, No if it makes him look good, Yes if it leads to good campaign donations, Yes if it helps sell Trump real estate to rich arabs, yes if it creates chaos in countries competing with the favoured nations and no if is leads to peace and prosperity for all.

Quite simple really.

Frogg

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Mort commented Wednesday, 5 Jul 2017 at 12:47am

You are complicating it. You Dufice.

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Mort commented Wednesday, 5 Jul 2017 at 12:48am

I hate maths.

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Mort commented Wednesday, 5 Jul 2017 at 12:49am

You dufice.

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Quint commented Wednesday, 17 Jan 2018 at 7:01am

Peace can't take root while we have John Maynard Keynes financial system (Babylonian banking) that relies on feudalism as a key ingredient. Hence Bitcoin et al.

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blindboy commented Wednesday, 17 Jan 2018 at 12:10pm

....or while racist idiots still quote The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

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Sheepdog commented Wednesday, 17 Jan 2018 at 4:51pm

On a world scale, we actually live in fairly "peaceful" times. But with the advent of 24/7 media, it may not seem that way. Fear + clicks.
Was a lot more gnarly in 1940, or 1950, or 1970, or even 1980 which had wars between Iraq and Iran, El Salvador, Rwanda, Terrorism in Spain.

Sheepdog

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zenagain commented Thursday, 18 Jan 2018 at 12:48am

True Sheepy, if you take Africa and the Middle East out of the equasion and a couple of little skirmishes in Myannmar and the Flips and the northern suburbs of Melbourne, the world is quite tranquil.

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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eat-your-vegies commented Thursday, 18 Jan 2018 at 9:38am

It’s all about to change soon.
Me thinks.

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Fleazool commented Thursday, 18 Jan 2018 at 11:05am

Humans have been fighting since before cocky was an egg.
It's natural selection. Only difference is now we can tweet about it.