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This is the problem with these discussions Indo, terms such as liberal and conservative have been so distorted that it's an almost pointless conversation.
Using accepted definitions, conservatives are those that tend to favour institutions and practices that guarantee stability and have evolved gradually - I'm not really sure where they stand on censorship/free speech.
Suffice to say that saying that those who have issues with cancel culture are conservative is quite off the mark.
Just look at those who signed the Harpers Letter.
Liberals on the other hand, by definition, believe in the rights of the individual, liberty, political equality and equality before the law.
So true liberals, as opposed to the American bastardisation of the term, would be against self-censorship in the media and arts and would be in favour of individuals expressing themselves, although freedom of speech is not absolute.
After all, one can believe uncompromising in freedom of expression but not in any duty to "gratuitously offend".
As I've said a few times before, supporting censorship or being in favour of cancelling people is essentially illiberal and in my opinion regressive, notwithstanding issues around libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, incitement, hate speech and the like.
Indo check this out.
AndyM wrote:This is the problem with these discussions Indo, terms such as liberal and conservative have been so distorted that it's an almost pointless conversation.
Using accepted definitions, conservatives are those that tend to favour institutions and practices that guarantee stability and have evolved gradually - I'm not really sure where they stand on censorship/free speech.
Suffice to say that saying that those who have issues with cancel culture are conservative is quite off the mark.
Just look at those who signed the Harpers Letter.
Liberals on the other hand, by definition, believe in the rights of the individual, liberty, political equality and equality before the law.
So true liberals, as opposed to the American bastardisation of the term, would be against self-censorship in the media and arts and would be in favour of individuals expressing themselves, although freedom of speech is not absolute.
After all, one can believe uncompromising in freedom of expression but not in any duty to "gratuitously offend".
As I've said a few times before, supporting censorship or being in favour of cancelling people is essentially illiberal and in my opinion regressive, notwithstanding issues around libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, incitement, hate speech and the like.
Plenty of good points there Andy.
However, I am interested to know how much cancelling actually occurs. Watching the Nick G interview above, there was not much evidence, a few unattributed "they won't let you make it" lines and that was it. In fact he couldn't resist taking a dig at Mark Mitchell's Con the Fruiterer for not being authentic. Sounds pretty much like what the anti cancel crew complain about. Perhaps his struggle in getting the film made was more due to the fact that the joke is dated and not that funny? Again, a fairly common complaint by aging performers, blame it on being cancelled rather than accepting their product is past its use by date. It's not cancellation, it's natural selection and changing taste. Rodney Rude anyone?
blackers wrote:AndyM wrote:This is the problem with these discussions Indo, terms such as liberal and conservative have been so distorted that it's an almost pointless conversation.
Using accepted definitions, conservatives are those that tend to favour institutions and practices that guarantee stability and have evolved gradually - I'm not really sure where they stand on censorship/free speech.
Suffice to say that saying that those who have issues with cancel culture are conservative is quite off the mark.
Just look at those who signed the Harpers Letter.
Liberals on the other hand, by definition, believe in the rights of the individual, liberty, political equality and equality before the law.
So true liberals, as opposed to the American bastardisation of the term, would be against self-censorship in the media and arts and would be in favour of individuals expressing themselves, although freedom of speech is not absolute.
After all, one can believe uncompromising in freedom of expression but not in any duty to "gratuitously offend".
As I've said a few times before, supporting censorship or being in favour of cancelling people is essentially illiberal and in my opinion regressive, notwithstanding issues around libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, incitement, hate speech and the like.Plenty of good points there Andy.
However, I am interested to know how much cancelling actually occurs. Watching the Nick G interview above, there was not much evidence, a few unattributed "they won't let you make it" lines and that was it. In fact he couldn't resist taking a dig at Mark Mitchell's Con the Fruiterer for not being authentic. Sounds pretty much like what the anti cancel crew complain about. Perhaps his struggle in getting the film made was more due to the fact that the joke is dated and not that funny? Again, a fairly common complaint by aging performers, blame it on being cancelled rather than accepting their product is past its use by date. It's not cancellation, it's natural selection and changing taste. Rodney Rude anyone?
Cancel culture is extremerely well documented in all kinds of areas and you would expect the cases we hear about are actually the tip of the iceberg, most cases from everyday people we would never hear about and much of it as spoken about in this interview is just a lack of support of opportunity, If Nick G was a young comedian just getting a start he could never do Wogs out of Work today, which in my mind is really important owning a word or attitude and taking this piss of one self is a great way to combat something
Even Con the fruiterer and Comedy company stuff wouldn't get a pass these days, same deal with movies, same deal with music, maybe even other art.
Last year even Danzing said
“People don’t understand, because everything’s so cancel-culture, woke bullshit nowadays, but you could never have the punk explosion nowadays, because of cancel culture and woke bullshit,” Danzig explained when asked for further clarification. “You could never have it. It would never have happened. We’re lucky it happened when it did, because it’ll never happen again. You won’t have any of those kinds of bands ever again. Everyone’s so uptight and P.C., it’s just like, ‘OK, whatever.'”
https://www.spin.com/2021/04/glenn-danzig-cancel-culture/#:~:text=%E2%80...'t%20understand%2C,It%20would%20never%20have%20happened.
Rodney Rude & Kevin Bloody Wilson to me always seemed really tacky even as a kid i thought that, but if people find it funny, why not.
Even progressive type comedians like Bill Hicks would be canceled these days.
It must be so hard to be a comedian these days and make comedy, to me comedy should push boundaries and even offend, i not sure if it happens in Aust but overseas some comedy clubs even screen comedians content or make them sign agreements on what things or even topics they can and can't say that often leaves them with very little green light topics.
It's like many things, it starts as good will and true progression but then swings too far and becomes the opposite, heavy censorship in comedy isn't good for anyone, if it's funny it's funny and everyone knows the context of things, for instance if the punch line of a joke is knocking off the mother inlay or something crazy, we all know he doesn't really want to murder his mother inlay, because we know the context of things and know its a joke.
AndyM wrote:This is the problem with these discussions Indo, terms such as liberal and conservative have been so distorted that it's an almost pointless conversation.
Using accepted definitions, conservatives are those that tend to favour institutions and practices that guarantee stability and have evolved gradually - I'm not really sure where they stand on censorship/free speech.
Suffice to say that saying that those who have issues with cancel culture are conservative is quite off the mark.
Just look at those who signed the Harpers Letter.
Liberals on the other hand, by definition, believe in the rights of the individual, liberty, political equality and equality before the law.
So true liberals, as opposed to the American bastardisation of the term, would be against self-censorship in the media and arts and would be in favour of individuals expressing themselves, although freedom of speech is not absolute.
After all, one can believe uncompromising in freedom of expression but not in any duty to "gratuitously offend".
As I've said a few times before, supporting censorship or being in favour of cancelling people is essentially illiberal and in my opinion regressive, notwithstanding issues around libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, incitement, hate speech and the like.
I agree with a lot of this i don't know if the terms have been distorted so much, more that the groups and views have evolved and expanded or there is so many different types of conservatism or progressivism each word is now an umbrella term for a larger group.
In some senses to me in many areas a modern conservative like myself often has more in common with a traditional progressive, you see this effect here where my views on many issues often dont differ much from views of say Sypkan or Blowin and you would have noticed Blowin calling others fake left implying he is the real left and hasn't changed, and its kind of true.
To me there has been a clear flip. (or maybe this is the horse shoe theory in effect)
Traditionally speaking conservatives especially religious based were the ones claiming to be offended and wanting to censor and cancel especially in regard to arts, visual, comedy, movies, music
In many countries like say Indonesia this is still the case but in the west while there is still this element to a small degree they are a minority and no longer hold much power, while crazy enough it's so called progressives who are the ones being offended and wanting censorship and cancelling and hold more power.
I get not all progressives are like this but it's still the reality, comedians aren't self censoring because of conservatives they are self censoring because of so called progressives.
And its a new type of conservative that is saying, wait a minute just because you dont like what is said or somehow feel offended that's your problem, i should have the right to express myself or be exposed to this or that (and yes i agree "notwithstanding issues around libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, incitement, hate speech and the like".)
Indo, to paraphrase you paraphrasing someone else, just because you say it doesn’t make it true. You can add read it or so one else saying it to that concept. I read Danzig’s comment when it came out, and Lyndon etc., old men saying things are different and it was better in their day like every generation of old men before them. It’s a thing. And as someone moving into that age bracket I try to avoid it and live in the present.
You say there is well documented evidence,. The most prominent “cancelled”performer I am aware of is Louis C K, currently about to tour Oz to sell out crowds. It hasn’t done any long term harm. Regarding Rodney Rude and KBW, ever thought that maybe people don’t want to see that sort of stuff anymore? That tastes have changed? It’s too easy a get out to blame “political correctness” or cancel culture. Poor ticket sales, and promoters worried about losing money are a quick way for performers to find themselves short of work. Easier to blame someone else than accept your schtick has passed its use by date.
Anyways, good waves about, time to go and enjoy.
This kept showing up in my feed after watching the Bouris/Wogboy interview
Had seen a few short Vids on the Spanian....just a Leb Knob i thought
But this is one very good..Bouris is a Great interviewer.
Great little half hour doco on photographers chasing thunderstorms and lightning in WA's pilbara presented by ABC Perth's Tyne Logan.
Highly recommended watch for those interested in big weather and the meditation that photographing natural phenomenon brings to ones soul.
This looks fun...and scary. Scary and fun.
I’ll be lining up for it.
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Best Fails of the Year 2022
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Like this...choose from 100 more...............
https://www.littlebigworld.de/episodes/
Some work better than others...
Cars not as fun as Boats & Trains work better.
Niagara Falls looks like ants surviving a flood.
Must be the constant long flow of Alpine Trains or lines of skiers that lends so well?
Helps if your Town has a lot of dinky Utilities & Flowing Civic Town Scapes.
Kinda like how recreational Melbourne spaces kick along nicely...
Here'a few Variations on the Toy Town Themes (Both are different but equally epic!)
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Fine Tuning the Ikea Hobo Stove
Pops and VJ you will probably enjoy this...
good one Wilhelm! This would be great. I unfortunately missed the original premier in Nambour late last year, and will unfortunately miss the show in Bris in a few weeks. Damn,... But I didnt miss the Gravies gig in Bris a couple of years back - that was wild. He's a wild man
He is a character for sure. I spent a fair bit of time seeing live music in the St Kilda area during the mid to late 80's and you were aware of his presence. His artwork was everywhere.
This is something the Woz should have a good look at.
Have a look at this for an example of real commitment, keeping in mind this is all sight unseen for the riders.
Or maybe this when things don't go quite so well.
Sassy the Sasquatch every single episode all in one:
#IfYaKnow,YaKnow #Pre-eminentFingerOnThePulseLedge
thanks again udo, some good stuff there as always. Getting the full(er) GG story was interesting. That's started me down a little rabbithole
Great Glen E Friedman interview btw WS, a good reminder to us all, if you have opinionated rants keep them fun, keep them light, know your shit, and be self aware.
icandig wrote:This looks fun...and scary. Scary and fun.
Watched tonight. Happy to report that it's as stupid as I thought it would be. Highly recommended. Three and a half stars.
Finished the Netflix series Beef last night
Really dug it just the character's and style in which it was done and a good unique story line, first few episodes was the best and ending good but little flat in some areas through the middle, but still very good..
David Choe character was awesome, and ive been a big fan of his since his Thumb's up America days (when Vice was actually good)
And since then the dude became super rich from his art actually doing a mural for $60K for Facebook office when facebook was only 5 months old, he got paid in stocks that ended up being worth hundreds of millions.
He is a little bit controversial though said some weird fully dodgy shit basically confessed to sexual assault through a story on a podcast and he is super super loose, but interesting character all the same.
Recent Joe Rogan interview worth a listen (he has been on before)
Heres a taste of his unique loose completely honest thinking
Can't listen to beetroot Joe, but I did enjoy Beef. Agree about it losing pace, first 3 eps were great. Production and editing borrowed a lot from operatic shows like Mr Robot and worked well, acting was awesome. Their love/hate rivalry was the keystone.. that picked up again in the desert..
indo-dreaming wrote:Finished the Netflix series Beef last night
Really dug it just the character's and style in which it was done and a good unique story line, first few episodes was the best and ending good but little flat in some areas through the middle, but still very good..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFPIMHBzGDs
David Choe character was awesome, and ive been a big fan of his since his Thumb's up America days (when Vice was actually good)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO3-AAVTeDAAnd since then the dude became super rich from his art actually doing a mural for $60K for Facebook office when facebook was only 5 months old, he got paid in stocks that ended up being worth hundreds of millions.
He is a little bit controversial though said some weird fully dodgy shit basically confessed to sexual assault through a story on a podcast and he is super super loose, but interesting character all the same.
Recent Joe Rogan interview worth a listen (he has been on before)
Heres a taste of his unique loose completely honest thinking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6hvg8MMafM
Agreed, just watched Beef myself finishing it last week.
Worth a watch.
Been watching the Australian version of "Alone" on SBS.
Not as good as the USA version but still worth watching, I just think the contestants aren't as of as high quality.
The older chubby women forgot her name is onto it though and the X military guy is a character, i think one of them two will win most likely the women.
Best bit of the show is just the scenery an amazing beautiful part of the world.
Biggest surprise is how glassy it has been expected way more wind, when i lived in Tassie when i went down the west coast 99% of the time it was howling, onshore , offshore, cross shore.
The Alpinist, think it's on netflix.
If you like, Dawn Wall, Free Solo, Valley Rising....
Thanks Patrick, just watched Valley Uprising - enjoyed it.
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Last few days I worked my way through Dopesick. Only eight episodes long, not much of an investment, yet worth a watch.
Made sense to choose that series as I'm recovering from busted bones using oxycodone for pain relief. Get a little sense of the Greek tragedy that unfolded for the Sackler family who made a drug with the noble aim of easing chronic pain, yet unwittingly set off a decades-long opioid epidemic that's so far directly killed over a million US citizens by overdose and ruined the lives of many millions more.
A Greek tragedy but a distinctly modern American story; of commercial interests besting government regulation, of marketing trumping science, and money ruling over all else - even for a family of physicians who supposedly followed the Hippocratic oath.
Gold standard performances, especially from old mate who plays OxyContin inventor and Purdue Pharma CEO Richard Sackler. With a soft, raspy voice and facial tick approximating a perma-frown, he's a Jewish aristocrat version of Marlon Brando's Godfather, and the metaphor easily covers the role he plays, manouvering the family company away from the authorities as the bodies pile up.
Michael Keaton plays an opposite-Batman role, a soft spoken small town doctor who begins prescribing OC for his patients, who largely end up addicts, before he also succumbs, losing his medical license and a large whack of dignity while necking 400mg a day. The foil pack next to my bed has 20 tablets of 5mg. Finish that and I have to get a new prescription, all recorded on a national database.
Though it's entertainment it's hard to watch Dopesick and not take in the differences between here and there.
indo-dreaming wrote:Been watching the Australian version of "Alone" on SBS.
Not as good as the USA version but still worth watching, I just think the contestants aren't as of as high quality.
The older chubby women forgot her name is onto it though and the X military guy is a character, i think one of them two will win most likely the women.
Best bit of the show is just the scenery an amazing beautiful part of the world.
Biggest surprise is how glassy it has been expected way more wind, when i lived in Tassie when i went down the west coast 99% of the time it was howling, onshore , offshore, cross shore.
I don't mind the contestants, especially enjoyed the survival guide who called himself "the baddest motherfucker in the woods" and then tapped out after three days. Obviously missed his guns.
What this series lacks against the North American versions is bears. The calls of "hey bear" and hands on the bear spray makes for constant tension. Reckon that's why the producers went with so many Aborginal/Indigenous contestants - there were four out of ten. They largely brought something to the show in terms of survival, though I don't think any of them will win.
For mine, it's between Gina the mildly overweight forest nymph and Mike the pademelon hunter. Both seem to have the temperament to see the distance.
EDIT: Also surprised by how glassy it's been, but then again they say it's 'West Coast Tassie' but it's obviously not on the coast. It's a dammed river so must be inland some ways which might lessen the westerly wind.
NZ cult classic on last night SBS, hope IB was watching, Black Sheep
One of the classics with Al Pacino and Deniro, Val Kilmer, Jon Voight and Tom Sizemore...more excellent cast involved such as a young whats her name..i forget...anyway she has turned out to be a great actor..
free to watch for now.
Only part that annoys me is Al Pacinos (vincent) and his wives love scenes seem to turn ugly in a short duration of the movie..She married a dedicated cop what the hell does she expect?
Also a guy like deniro and his crew can be anywhere in america or USA even in LA at any truck or bank, ALL the cops have to be at all of them...So i dont like how snitches always gets them caught or almost caught.in these films.
Anyway maybe the best heist movie of all time.
Another one here the town- $4.99 usd rent maybe aud not sure.
https://www.justwatch.com/au/movie/the-town
I Think data bank storage these days means no cash or gold in vaults any more so movies like these will be a thing of the past, maybe not now but soon id say.And gold? maybe gold will be in vaults but takes too long to get a black market decent price.
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Hey Groundswell, if you liked those two I would recommend "to Live and Die in L.A." a similar style of gritty crime movie, stars Willam Dafoe as a counterfeiter with crooked cops after him, one of the best car chases in movie history, you should look it up, think you'd like it.
thanks Adam. Just found the full movie on youtube-
Indonesia is full of so many contradictions in so many different ways but this place takes the cake.