Next Federal Election

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velocityjohnno started the topic in Monday, 22 Jan 2024 at 2:15pm

Might as well put this up in the politics subforum, to spare the front page. It's 18 months away or so, but here we go.

This is how Dutton wins:

https://www.afr.com/politics/enter-the-liberal-party-working-class-heroe...

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andy-mac Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 7:54am

Pretty good analysis.
https://m.

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I focus Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 10:15am

@sypkan

"I was staunchly anti-nuclear, still am really... but I think technology and times are a changing, so our black and white no nukes policy is looking a bit out of date..."

"I think nuclear should be on the table for other reasons, ie. developing tech, developing/keeping a hand in the game, and it seems to be just a harsh reality of the modern world... sadly..."

Yeah pretty much as I see it FWIW.

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sypkan Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 11:25am

this is where dutton totally fukd it up

he should have proposed a trial facility with power generation capacity to develop and get on top of the tech, something similar to what lucas heights is / was, but with commercial application

obviously locating it would be fraught with problems, but I heard a nutty national on the wireless the other day claiming they have constituents that support this kind of investment

SA is probably anti-nuke, but the pt. augusta proposal looked ideal to me - in that no thanks, but if other people want it... ok, kind of way...

maybe the nutty nationals could have got one over the line with their q land monopoly?

or a big arse one right snack bang in the middle of canberra, with abillity to feed into sydney or melbourne to back up baseload would be ideal... I'm being facetious now, but...

anyway, the libs totally fukd it up, and from my perspective the issue is done for considerable time now

good luck nat's...

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sypkan Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 11:21am
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sypkan Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 11:24am

barefoot investor pissed

“I don’t understand how a responsible government can stand by and say this is a good thing.”

yep

!!!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news.com.au/finance/economy/interest-ra...

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Peter Reynolds Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 11:27am

The party that supports nuclear will win the next election, doesn't matter if its a cardboard cut out stuck on a paddle pop stick as the 'elected leader', the most pressing issue for anybody in opposition right now is to start the process of making an addendum to the constitution, maybe wait 18 months when the cracks will start showing in the renewables farce, then, its on! Only 34% of Aussies said no to nuclear, it's going to happen and will need to happen whether you like it or not.

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andy-mac Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 11:37am
sypkan wrote:

barefoot investor pissed

“I don’t understand how a responsible government can stand by and say this is a good thing.”

yep

!!!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news.com.au/finance/economy/interest-ra...

Mate, everyone I know who has a mortgage was very happy with the rate cut.
RBA (which is independent of govt) primary purpose is to keep inflation at 2-3% which it is, so it has to cut.
Lot's of unknown unknowns, but at this point in time they did what would be expected of them.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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sypkan Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 11:45am

I think he was more referring to the government's 5% scheme...

"...Mr Pape also slammed the Albanese government’s five per cent deposit scheme – which will come in from January 1 next year – saying it would do “a lot of damage”.

“It’s stupid, totally stupid,” Mr Pape said.

“People shouldn’t be buying a home in one of the most expensive cities in the world if they can’t afford it.

“I don’t understand how a responsible government can stand by and say this is a good thing.”..."

which is stupid

totally stupid!

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I focus Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 11:55am
Peter Reynolds wrote:

The party that supports nuclear will win the next election, doesn't matter if its a cardboard cut out stuck on a paddle pop stick as the 'elected leader', the most pressing issue for anybody in opposition right now is to start the process of making an addendum to the constitution, maybe wait 18 months when the cracks will start showing in the renewables farce, then, its on! Only 34% of Aussies said no to nuclear, it's going to happen and will need to happen whether you like it or not.

Actually you would be far better off building coal fired power stations long before nuclear the coal station have a decent turn down ratio, nuclear SFA.

That's before you get to costs, where is the fuel coming from i.e. sovereign risk, etc.

France is the only county running a high percentage of nuclear power but they sell off low peak excess to neighboring countries.

As for renewables all the engineering requirements / knowledge currently exist right here right now in Australia (nuclear SFA) the impediments are mainly political will, ironically environmental and who pays for all the bits require for stability that makes no money.

The cost stated for renewables is still well below the require replacement of the current generation capability (mainly coal) which is all at end of life.

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gs-co Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 11:56am

he's right...

5% deposit schemes...other house purchase assistance measures...massive immigration...all pushing up demand

sitting back and letting property constructions companies to keep going bust every week or two...public housing construction charade...all restricting supply

....only going to push house prices higher and make housing more out of reach for those who can't immediately get in right now...

...welcome to the backwards world of leftism...

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sypkan Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 12:28pm

I know posting mark latham won't win me any friends or cred...

but fuck it, it's too good to resist

modern australia... in an elongated nutshell...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14713297/a...

I wish he wrote that avoiding the word 'woke'

because it instantly irrates some people... so much so, they're iinstantly incapable of comprehension...

that, and signing it off mark latham

he should have gone anon.

because then some might actually take notice

I wonder how many people would then be honest enough to admit he's pretty much nailed it...

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flollo Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 12:44pm

'I fear our national decline is irreversible'

Really!? C'mon mate...

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Peter Reynolds Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 12:48pm
I focus wrote:
Peter Reynolds wrote:

The party that supports nuclear will win the next election, doesn't matter if its a cardboard cut out stuck on a paddle pop stick as the 'elected leader', the most pressing issue for anybody in opposition right now is to start the process of making an addendum to the constitution, maybe wait 18 months when the cracks will start showing in the renewables farce, then, its on! Only 34% of Aussies said no to nuclear, it's going to happen and will need to happen whether you like it or not.

Actually you would be far better off building coal fired power stations long before nuclear the coal station have a decent turn down ratio, nuclear SFA.

That's before you get to costs, where is the fuel coming from i.e. sovereign risk, etc.

France is the only county running a high percentage of nuclear power but they sell off low peak excess to neighboring countries.

As for renewables all the engineering requirements / knowledge currently exist right here right now in Australia (nuclear SFA) the impediments are mainly political will, ironically environmental and who pays for all the bits require for stability that makes no money.

The cost stated for renewables is still well below the require replacement of the current generation capability (mainly coal) which is all at end of life.

Your dead right Ifocus, coal is the way to go for cheap, reliable power but we've legislated against it and the argument that burning coal causes global warming has won, so we need to find a clean, reliable power source.
Renewables is not it and will never be it, doesn't matter how big you build that battery.
We currently dig a big fuck off hole in the ground to supply uranium to all the first world countries, it's more than half our total exports! We have frickin oodles of it! That's where it's coming from, our ground.
My prediction is in about 2 years time, Albo stands in front of parliament and says "sorry everyone, we were short sighted in our understanding of what our power grid is capable of, we need to keep the coal stations open for another 10 years at least while we spend approximately a trillion dollars putting a battery in every neighbourhood in every state, then we will need another trillion to replace every cable in the system, my bad guys"
Then my paddle pop stick becomes PM.

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gs-co Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 12:59pm

yep Latham nailed it perfectly. And these comments:

'...there has been a sharp decline in the number of productive people and productive workplaces, and a sharp, seemingly permanent increase in the welfare and black economy.

'I would estimate that the proportion of genuinely productive Australians in their workplaces has fallen from 40 per cent to less than one-quarter in the space of just five years. The leaners now easily outnumber the lifters.'

'...80 per cent of new jobs were in the public sector, creating a huge tax burden and saddling the nation with debt,' he claimed.

Our universities reflect this perfectly. With their bulging middle layer of bureaucratic administrations and large scale managerial culture of inept, unproductive people who actually do nothing except engage in leftism activism, they're really just glorified public sector work for the dole schemes being propped up by our tax dollars and increasing public debt, and the Chinese student.

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AndyM Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 2:23pm
Peter Reynolds wrote:

The party that supports nuclear will win the next election, doesn't matter if its a cardboard cut out stuck on a paddle pop stick as the 'elected leader', the most pressing issue for anybody in opposition right now is to start the process of making an addendum to the constitution, maybe wait 18 months when the cracks will start showing in the renewables farce, then, its on! Only 34% of Aussies said no to nuclear, it's going to happen and will need to happen whether you like it or not.

You do realise that support for nuclear was a big part of the reason the Libs got absolutely smashed at the election?
And support for Australia's ban on nuclear power is growing, up from 51% two years ago to 59% last year?
Even a majority of Nationals voters (54%) supported keeping the national nuclear energy ban.

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Peter Reynolds Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 2:45pm
AndyM wrote:
Peter Reynolds wrote:

The party that supports nuclear will win the next election, doesn't matter if its a cardboard cut out stuck on a paddle pop stick as the 'elected leader', the most pressing issue for anybody in opposition right now is to start the process of making an addendum to the constitution, maybe wait 18 months when the cracks will start showing in the renewables farce, then, its on! Only 34% of Aussies said no to nuclear, it's going to happen and will need to happen whether you like it or not.

You do realise that support for nuclear was a big part of the reason the Libs got absolutely smashed at the election?
And support for Australia's ban on nuclear power is growing, up from 51% two years ago to 59% last year?
Even a majority of Nationals voters (54%) supported keeping the national nuclear energy ban.

None of that is going to matter one iota Andy when our steelworks industry can't power up and our economy goes into freefall, as I said it doesn't matter if you support it or not, it's going to happen.

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Supafreak Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 3:07pm
Peter Reynolds wrote:
AndyM wrote:
Peter Reynolds wrote:

The party that supports nuclear will win the next election, doesn't matter if its a cardboard cut out stuck on a paddle pop stick as the 'elected leader', the most pressing issue for anybody in opposition right now is to start the process of making an addendum to the constitution, maybe wait 18 months when the cracks will start showing in the renewables farce, then, its on! Only 34% of Aussies said no to nuclear, it's going to happen and will need to happen whether you like it or not.

You do realise that support for nuclear was a big part of the reason the Libs got absolutely smashed at the election?
And support for Australia's ban on nuclear power is growing, up from 51% two years ago to 59% last year?
Even a majority of Nationals voters (54%) supported keeping the national nuclear energy ban.

None of that is going to matter one iota Andy when our steelworks industry can't power up and our economy goes into freefall, as I said it doesn't matter if you support it or not, it's going to happen.

It’s not just the Liberal & National Party’s that are delusional , the diehard remaining supporters still haven’t a clue .

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AndyM Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 3:41pm

I dare say Peter Reynolds can relate to the National Party then Supa, claiming that they're in the right despite all evidence to the contrary.
Although he may have a point, it might come to it in the mid-to-distant future where people just aren't prepared to take a hit to this astronomically high standard of material living and so they eventually accept the nuclear option.
But there's no way known, no way in hell, it will decide the next election.

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Peter Reynolds Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 3:59pm
Supafreak wrote:
Peter Reynolds wrote:
AndyM wrote:
Peter Reynolds wrote:

The party that supports nuclear will win the next election, doesn't matter if its a cardboard cut out stuck on a paddle pop stick as the 'elected leader', the most pressing issue for anybody in opposition right now is to start the process of making an addendum to the constitution, maybe wait 18 months when the cracks will start showing in the renewables farce, then, its on! Only 34% of Aussies said no to nuclear, it's going to happen and will need to happen whether you like it or not.

You do realise that support for nuclear was a big part of the reason the Libs got absolutely smashed at the election?
And support for Australia's ban on nuclear power is growing, up from 51% two years ago to 59% last year?
Even a majority of Nationals voters (54%) supported keeping the national nuclear energy ban.

None of that is going to matter one iota Andy when our steelworks industry can't power up and our economy goes into freefall, as I said it doesn't matter if you support it or not, it's going to happen.

It’s not just the Liberal & National Party’s that are delusional , the diehard remaining supporters still haven’t a clue .

Anybody that tries to make an argument using an internet meme isn't having regular sex, were you aware of that Supa?

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AndyM Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 4:04pm

How long till you finish high school Peter?

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tearymasseuse Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 4:17pm

Anybody having regular ‘sex’ with their hand is not actually having regular sex, were you aware of that poiter ;)

That’s you poiter ;);)

“ It’s not just the Liberal & National Party’s that are delusional , the diehard remaining supporters still haven’t a clue . “

^ & that’s you again poiter ;)

What are ya? You’re a wanker ;);)

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tearymasseuse Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 4:25pm

“ A narcissist paints a picture of themselves as being the victim or innocent in all aspects. They will be offended by the truth. But what is done in the dark will come to light. Time has a way of showing people’s true colors. “

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Peter Reynolds Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 5:22pm
AndyM wrote:

I dare say Peter Reynolds can relate to the National Party then Supa, claiming that they're in the right despite all evidence to the contrary.
Although he may have a point, it might come to it in the mid-to-distant future where people just aren't prepared to take a hit to this astronomically high standard of material living and so they eventually accept the nuclear option.
But there's no way known, no way in hell, it will decide the next election.

Your what? 3 weeks from the biggest election victory in the history of the Labor party and your walking back your signature policy already!!!!! Already??!!!
Far out you guys have a weak streak

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AndyM Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 5:38pm

Don't know what you're talking about and don't know how it relates to you thinking nuclear will win the next election.

"You guys"?

I don't vote Labor.

And I thought it was the Libs who were the big flip-floppers, walking away from plans to sack 41,000 public service employees.

That sort of tactical genius will see them in opposition for a long time, which is a win for Australia.

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Supafreak Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 5:55pm
Peter Reynolds wrote:
Supafreak wrote:
Peter Reynolds wrote:
AndyM wrote:
Peter Reynolds wrote:

The party that supports nuclear will win the next election, doesn't matter if its a cardboard cut out stuck on a paddle pop stick as the 'elected leader', the most pressing issue for anybody in opposition right now is to start the process of making an addendum to the constitution, maybe wait 18 months when the cracks will start showing in the renewables farce, then, its on! Only 34% of Aussies said no to nuclear, it's going to happen and will need to happen whether you like it or not.

You do realise that support for nuclear was a big part of the reason the Libs got absolutely smashed at the election?
And support for Australia's ban on nuclear power is growing, up from 51% two years ago to 59% last year?
Even a majority of Nationals voters (54%) supported keeping the national nuclear energy ban.

None of that is going to matter one iota Andy when our steelworks industry can't power up and our economy goes into freefall, as I said it doesn't matter if you support it or not, it's going to happen.

It’s not just the Liberal & National Party’s that are delusional , the diehard remaining supporters still haven’t a clue .

Anybody that tries to make an argument using an internet meme isn't having regular sex, were you aware of that Supa?

You are more delusional than I first imagined. Can you explain how a ABC clip of Laura Tingle is a meme ? As for regular sex , you sound like you regularly hand crank one out .

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 8:03pm

Official World Nuclear Power capacity > 2525
1954 Beginning of the End the World as we know it!
https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/power-and-energy/soviet-union-co...

2006 = 16% ( Peak Nuke Carnage)
https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/facts-and-figures/world-nu...
Nuke Experts envisage 65 years + All Mines / Tech Giants + Ai + Robots to recover to this Nuke level

2025 = 9%
https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-future-generat....

2050 = 12%
https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/iaea-increases-projections...

2060 = 13.5%
https://www.worldenergy.org/assets/downloads/Nuclear_Scenarios_Report_FI...

2070 = New Nuke Peak? World Super Power Oz joins the dying near dead Nuke Industry.

2075 = 17.3% ( Experts declare a new Nuke Peak > Hot Tip ...It doesn't last very long!)
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1201264109

2100 =23.2%
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/energy/electricity/global-energy-demand-set-to-...

[factcheck] Greatest computer minds on Earth can't factor in Nuke reaching 25% of World Power mix!
Seems that during this era the Albino Red eyed splotchy Plant operators can't leave their bunkers!

2200 = 10-20% Ai Overview (Best case scenario) Dig deeper tunnels...faster!

2525 =Will there be ...
(a) Wind Power = [Yes!] 100% for sure
(b) Solar Power = [Yes!] 100% for sure
(?) Nuke Power = It's impossible to tell!

There ya Go...Computa : Nuke the Nukes....well durr...why even bother! Waste of Time!

Harnessing 500 years of mightiest [L] Intergalactic AI Nuke Rorts max out at 23.2% Global Power!

Year 2525 [L] Wind Up Nuke Robot Army can't even defeat ALP's most pissweak 26.8% 1934 Vote!

Gonna be a long campaign...knock yerselves out...FFS that's not even funny tbb!
The Future of the Liberal Party hangs in the balance & tbb sits there making up jokes about it...
Only it's not a joke is it...just humour them!

$Gazillions just to prove an Orange man can make our Blue Planet glow green...Gotta luv that!

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velocityjohnno Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 8:08pm

Hope all their emergency cooling systems still work after an enormous solar flare or CME.

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suchas Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 9:16pm

The slide to oblivion still has a long way to go before hitting the bricks- https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-21/ley-says-mckenzie-made-false-clai...

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farquarson Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 9:39pm

The national party have got little to be proud of.

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seeds Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 9:46pm
suchas wrote:

The slide to oblivion still has a long way to go before hitting the bricks- https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-21/ley-says-mckenzie-made-false-clai...

That was something else watching that in real time.

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sypkan Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 10:21pm

sorry viccos... you're just in the weird and burden basket (case) now...

just stop it will ya!

https://www.crikey.com.au/2025/05/21/labor-jacinta-allan-debt-interest-p...

"...As for Victorians, presumably there are plenty of Dan Andrews and Jacinta Allan fans who think this is a perfectly acceptable state of fiscal affairs. Presumably they think a state government paying $10+ billion a year in interest while it builds worthless infrastructure projects is the height of bold, progressive government. And, after all, it’s their money flowing out the door to bondholders instead of being spent on goods and services for Victorians, so fair enough. It shouldn’t mean the rest of us have to contribute to such profligacy."

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seeds Wednesday, 21 May 2025 at 10:32pm

Is it good debt or bad debt?