Mackin' swell from an East Coast Low

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Ben Matson (thermalben)

Sydney, Hunter and Illawarra Surf Forecast by Ben Matson (issued Monday 13th October)

Best DaysLate Tuesday/Wednesday: funky corners that don't usually see swell (if you're desperate). Thursday: rapidly improving surf with a steadily easing south swell and winds tending offshore. Friday: may be a small window early with light winds and small residual swells at south facing beaches.

Recap: Saturday's expected NE windswell came in well under expectations - most beaches seeing only tiny surf, with a handful of swell magnets picking up occasional 2ft sets that were rather weak. Sunday was a little smaller in size, however we have seen a much stronger NE swell today thanks to a developing NE fetch in our immediate swell window overnight Sunday. Winds did swing offshore in many locations through the early morning today but it wasn't uniform across the coast - for example Newcastle saw light northerlies until mid-morning, when fresh nor'westers kicked in whilst Bellambi (north of Wollongong) saw a similar dawn trend of light northerlies before fresh westerlies push in mid-morning. As such, conditions were OK but certainly far from perfect. This afternoon has seen a wide range of winds across the region, mainly light E'ly through NE however Bellambi is now seeing fresh NE winds as a southerly change advances along the coast.

This week (Oct 14-17 onwards)

The surf outlook is very dynamic for the next few days. An East Coast Low is modelled to form off the South Coast overnight, and will intensify through Tuesday, driving gale to storm force S/SE winds into much of the southern NSW coast. 

Interestingly, Tuesday will probably start off considerably undersized, compared to what's due over the coming 24 hours. The southerly change currently moving up the coast is not directly related to the East Coast Low (which will be developing further south) - a secondary 'change' of sorts is due through the early part of Tuesday morning as the ECL winds up, but there's actually a chance for a brief period of SW winds close to dawn (mainly north of Sydney). 

Nevertheless, we're likely to see 2-3ft sets at south facing beaches for the dawn patrol and a reasonable level of residual NE windswell from today as well (2-3ft open beaches, but fading) at NE facing beaches. It'll be well worth a quick dawny squizz at those open beaches picking up the NE swell across the Northern Beaches and southern Hunter coast, before things get out of control (winds, waves and weather).

As the morning wears on and southerly winds strengthen to storm force into the afternoon, we'll see a rapid increase in short range S/SE swell that should top 10ft+ at south facing beaches by the end of the day, possibly more. However even protected southern corners will cop a hammering - under these conditions it's really hard to get excited about surfing. If you're desperate, there'll possibly be some small waves in funky corners that don't usually see surf, but you will have to be keen and competent.

This swell is expected to peak in the early hours of Wednesday morning. We should see upwards of 10-12ft at south facing beaches early on, but local winds are modelled to remain gale to storm force S'ly through this period.

However, the low is also expected to move away from the coast during the day, and as this happens we'll see wind speeds ease slowly - and possibly swing south-west. In fact, there's been similar synoptic events in the past where microscale/mesoscale low pressure systems have formed within the broader parent system, delivering short periods of different wind patterns. I'm not particularly confident that this will happen, but in such a dynamic system it can't be ruled out. If it does occur, then we'll see conditions rapidly improving across the region. Regardless, protected southern corners will probably be your only real option at any point on Wednesday. Surf size should then ease reasonably steadily into the afternoon.

Thursday is a much safer bet for a vast improvement in conditions, along with a rapid moderation in surf size. South facing beaches are still likely to be somewhere around 4-6ft early morning (and continuing to fall during the day) but winds should be back around to a light W'ly as the low retreats to the central Tasman Sea.

Beaches not open to the south will be much smaller - swell direction will tend more southerly if anything by Thursday, thanks to a realignment of the low during Wednesday - but it'll be far more manageable. The main concern is how much damage will be done to the banks and beaches, as we haven't see a storm system like this for a while. A common outcome is the formation of an offshore storm bar, with wide, deep gutters separating the usual surf zone and the shoreline. Let's wait and see what happens.

Friday then has a moderate to fresh southerly change on the cards. Surf wise, we're looking at residual swells in the 2-3ft range from a couple of sources out of the southern quadrant, but at this stage there may be only a brief window of good winds early morning. I'll have more on that in Wednesday's update.

This weekend (Oct 18-19)

Nothing major on the cards for the weekend at this stage. 

A small southerly swell is expected to trail Friday's change and that'll probably be the primary source of energy, peaking on Saturday. Winds are expected to be light and variable with sea breezes. 

A small E/NE swell is also expected to gradually push through over the weekend, generated by a slowly developing E'ly fetch north of New Zealand during the second half of this week - however no great size is expected from it. Early light winds and freshening NE sea breezes will probably pad out Sunday.

All in all, a good weekend for the swell magnets at this stage. 

Long term (Oct 20 onwards)

No major patterns on the long term charts at this stage. Freshening NE winds on Sunday afternoon may kick up a short range NE windswell for Monday with possibly some intensification (and consequently bigger surf) through Tuesday - but aside from that it's all daily standard for this time of year. Let's see how the numbers are stacking up on Wednesday.

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ACB__ Tuesday, 14 Oct 2014 at 1:56pm

"A common outcome is the formation of an offshore storm bar, with wide, deep gutters separating the usual surf zone and the shoreline. Let's wait and see what happens."

What info do you have on the formation of these, do you have an article I can read up on? When storms create the mass removal of sand from beaches, does this sand being spat out to sea give the potential for better banks once it begins to roll in again?

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thermalben Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 4:45pm

Sorry mate, missed your comment. A quick Google search for 'storm bar sand' (or similar) should yield plenty of results. Here's the first one that came up for mr: http://www.griffith.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/333685/Beach-eros...

As for whether there's "potential for better banks once it begins to roll in again", well I'm not too sure. The timeline for the sand to move back inshore isn't clearly understood (as far as I know) and the creation of 'good banks' are dependent on a lot of other factors. But it'd be worth doing a study into it, for sure.

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mick-free Tuesday, 14 Oct 2014 at 9:54pm

Was cranking 3-4 footers at Freshwater on dark with strong offshores. Surprisingly for Freshy only 8 out of 10 closing out!

Here was a snapshot

Also can the spectra model be right, its picking up +20 sec period (SE) on the Batemans Bay. Check it at http://new.mhl.nsw.gov.au/data/realtime/wave/Stn-batemansbay

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Craig Tuesday, 14 Oct 2014 at 10:01pm

Yeah heard Curly got to 5ft on dark, some 3ft sets at Queensy/North Steyne on dark.

Storm just hitting now, it's a monster!!

And Sydney climbing sharply..

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mitchvg Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 1:23am

Mick I'd say the buoy is going haywire, understandably. Watch the animation and the look at the graph, I think the conditions are just too mental.

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zenagain Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 9:04am

Ben, generally you guys are pretty much spot on for my region here in Japan but you may want to check your data for Ibaraki north. (Sorry, didn't know where to write this).

You guys are calling 2ft (waist to shoulder) and 3ft at exposed beaches, it's easily double OH here and probably bigger on the open stretches of coast. Vongfang moved over us early yesterday morning and there's still bucket loads of residual swell left from that. You're calling NE winds at 4kts, we got a breezy little WSW going and you say the current temp is 17 deg, the Navi in the car is saying 12deg and sitting here in my uggies confirms it.

I know this stuff is computer generated and not updated to the minute, but my eyes are telling me that you're a bit off on this one today.

Cheers.

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zenagain Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 9:08am

Correction, just checked the Tokyo data on JMA and you're spot on with theirs. My apologies.

But swell wise here, bit of an undercall.

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thermalben Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 9:28am

Thanks for the feedback Zen (probably best to start a new forum topic on these things, under "Website Troubleshooting" or "The Crystal Ball").

Without looking into the data, and without an intimate knowledge of your neck of the woods, I'd probably hazard a guess that the coarse resolution of the model didn't handle the typhoon very well (this is not altogether uncommon either). I'll see if I can have a look at it during the day however the unfortunate part about our automated forecast system (graphs, WAMS etc) is that we have no control over the output when it's not resolving things properly.

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zenagain Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 9:36am

Will do so in the future.

All in all though you guys are generally right on the money so I thought you'd be interested to know.

I emailed Craig a few pics of a spot up north yesterday. Some pretty meaty tubes in there, you might like to take a look.

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Craig Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 10:15am

Just got them Zen, pumping mate!

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mick-free Thursday, 16 Oct 2014 at 7:41pm

Cheers for sending in Zen. Interested in the swell details. I know you are in Northern Honshu but what was swell direction, swell size? Winds etc That first image is a boomer. I have flown in over Tokyo in winter and some times you see cranking waves when you come in from the East.

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zenagain Thursday, 16 Oct 2014 at 10:24pm

Hey Mick, the shots are taken the morning before and the afternoon after Typhoon Vongfang passed over us. The overcast day pic of the long right is the morning of the day before. The swell was out of the NE at about 3-4ft at 14 secs. Wind was practically calm, slightly onshore northerly. This spot is the local jewel in the crown, breaks a little like trestles and works on all tides and swell directions. Super fun wave, sandstone reef and a bit of a blank canvas, doesn't really tube but you can sneak under the lip every now and then. Very localised, Tokyo and other outside surfers are scared to surf here. Taken me years to begrudgingly be accepted here.

Second spot, very fickle. This was the arvo after the typhoon and the wind had swung hard out of the NW. Surf was about 10ft + East at about 16 secs but the waves were relentless. Practically all other waves in my area were too big. The shots are deceiving as 8 out of 10 were just huge closeouts and very fast for the other. 1 or 2 were makeable every now and then. Needs big east swell or giant south swell to work, W through NE winds and low to mid tide. This place is frightening when it's big. Been worked so badly here, thought I was going to drown, but also had some amazing surfs here too. It's right on the Fukushima border. I watched for ages this day but nobody else showed up and I wussed out. When it's big it pays not to watch it too long as it really psychs you out. These shots the waves were in the double range but still had more grunt than a pig farm.

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mick-free Friday, 17 Oct 2014 at 7:42am

Cheers Zen, always seen amazing shots of Japan in Surfers Journal and it seems it has some incredible setups that lay dormant until a typhoon comes in. Your window is small though as they really spin off once they hit that cold water in northern Japan. Surfed Sea of Japan when snowboarding, but never anywhere else. I will load up a lineup shot.

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thermalben Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 9:51am

Fantastic.. thanks Zen.

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zenagain Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 10:18am

Cheers, but I was too much of a wuss to paddle out. Just me on my lonesome watching for an hour umming and ahhing. Gotta admit, looks pretty though.

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fitzroy-21 Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 10:22am

Come on guys, give us some surf porn!! :) Post the pic's.

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zenagain Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 10:53am

You can post them if you want Craig. Even most of the people that live here don't know how to get to this spot, so no worries there. Maybe you can put them in Nth Pacific thread.

Fitzy, only took them on my mobile so not exactly high res.

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fitzroy-21 Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 11:00am

All good Zen. I just like to see photos of others exploits in different regions. And I shouldn't really ask as I don't post photos of my exploits:)

I was actually wondering how you fared with vongfang when I saw its path. Glad to hear all is well.

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mick-free Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 11:51am

Waves are really missing Deadies and Winki really. But its going crazy at Dee Why.

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Craig Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 11:53am

Yep photos to come Fitz, looks like Southey on the Northern Beaches.

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mitchvg Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 11:57am

Looks like Southey on the NB...? haha a guy's out surfing in hot pants and a blonde wig?!

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Craig Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 12:03pm

Ha!

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fitzroy-21 Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 4:43pm

Thanks for putting them up on the home page Craig. And yeah, a bit like southey with the water color of Brownwater :)

And Zen, I think you're being a little hard on yourself fella. Nice photos. Looks like it packs a bit of punch.

Cheers fellas.

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Craig Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 4:46pm

No worries, thanks to Zen for shooting them through. Totally. And also reminds me of New York beachies from hurricane swells with that water colour.

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mick-free Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 11:58am

Actually there's left handers back to the pool

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thermalben Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 1:52pm

I am thoroughly impressed with today's efforts. Hurricane-force winds, huge swells and peak swell periods of 44.8 seconds at the Sydney buoy!

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donweather Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 1:56pm

And the peak preiod of 44.8s is coming from 210 deg on the spectral too. Very impressed!!! ;)

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Craig Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 1:59pm

Must be the rain surge coming out the harbour!!

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Tim Bonython Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 3:19pm

tomorrow boys? Am i allowed to Froth???????

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Craig Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 3:22pm

Swell is going more south Tim but it'll be clean and nice up until early afternoon. Not the best or strongest swell but a couple of options. I'd keep expectations low.

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mick-free Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 4:18pm

Slow news Day - storm being called a once in a century event in todays SMH.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/once-every-100-years-what-made...

The storm that tore through Sydney on Tuesday night was caused by a perfect combination of conditions that has the Bureau of Meteorology describing the intensity for some parts of the city as a once-in-a-century event.

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thermalben Wednesday, 15 Oct 2014 at 4:23pm

Interesting quote from the SMH article:

"Meteorologists said the formation of an east coast low off the NSW coast then spawned several smaller low pressure systems - including one that sat over the city for several hours on Tuesday night, bringing cyclonic-strength winds and a deluge of rain."

And then from my notes above:

"In fact, there's been similar synoptic events in the past where microscale/mesoscale low pressure systems have formed within the broader parent system, delivering short periods of different wind patterns."

I wasn't sure if it'd happen, but it looks like it did (obviously I was more interested in the changing wind patterns rather than the rain though).

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davetherave Thursday, 16 Oct 2014 at 8:59pm

ben, you wouldn't happen to have date of these events would you? I would be really really interested in that data. Or even point me in direction where I could access this, BOM probably, but where? Thanks

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Craig Thursday, 16 Oct 2014 at 1:02pm

And the Sydney buoy has gone adrift/been damaged. ECL really smashed it up!!

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wellymon Thursday, 16 Oct 2014 at 1:08pm

Really...!
How big did it get down that ways...?

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Craig Thursday, 16 Oct 2014 at 1:15pm

Buoy maxed at 6m Significant Wave Height, and swell was in the 10-12ft range at exposed south facing breaks.

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wellymon Thursday, 16 Oct 2014 at 1:17pm

Geez was just having a look at the Shark Island Cam...?

30ft princess boat, jet ski, people everywhere, all go
Look at moi, look at moi, take a photo quick.
Give us a look.