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factotum started the topic in Thursday, 27 Aug 2020 at 11:12am

Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank

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Fliplid Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 8:15am

Is the Vatican about to go woke with a DEI pick?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgxk40ndk1o

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gs-co Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 8:23am

The underlying academic and philosophical basis and rationale for woke is to not view society consisting of unique individuals, all of equal worth and rights.

Instead, the philosophy is to group people into oppressed identity groups upon the basis of background characteristics like skin colour, gender, race, etc. So the mantra is to view society made up of oppressed identity groups and an evil oppressor group, and allocate and identify each individual into their identity group.

The oppressor group is the Caucasian European descended "white" person group, particularly Christians and people who respect and believe in the foundations of Western civilisation like capitalism, Christianity, free speech, equal rights, science and reason, etc.

Viewing society through this lens of oppressed identity groups all fighting a common enemy of the white oppressor group is also what is meant by woke.

In this sense, that is why the woke are fascist and very much like Hitler. Hitler's playbook was to identify an oppressor group in German society - the Jews - that was systematically destroying German society and disadvantaging and oppressing the common German peoples. Today's woke is a simple manifestation of Hitler's playbook of creating an imaginary enemy to focus on and view society as being oppressed by, in this case the white Caucasian oppressor group.

It's the horse-shoe theory: the far right and lunatic woke left meet at the extremes in the form of fascism. The only difference is the journey each take to get there and the different imaginary, fabricated oppressor they create and direct all their energies of hatred towards.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 8:34am
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Newdog.

Hi mate.

Why can’t surfers have a voice or be cookers as you say.

For too long we’ve been flocks of sheep, all doing the same thing, behaving in the same manner , wearing similar clothes, riding similar boards , an era of invention on all levels mostly because we have a ram ruling the roost and we fear to buck the trend in fear of ridicule.
For crying out load, we’ve been stereotyped by society for how we dressed, behaved , what we put in our bodies, our social and political stances and views on life since the late 50’s and early 60’s
It’s about time we break that shell and be outspoken, have a voice and educated opinions I say. If something is on ya mind , let it rip, self expression is a good thing.

My opinion. All the best. AW

What’s going on in the US ?

I thought that was his point?

Almost everyone here has the same opinion on many issues, and if you dont like me or GSCO then you will get hammered by the mob and claimed to be stirring up shit for not towing the line (as you claim about me in the other post above)

But as Newdog has observed the majority of views here aren't a reflection of surfers in general, you can even see this on social media where views are much more diverse, i think even in the articles in swellnet when it is slightly politically on environment etc you will get more of a mix of views.

I think its two things but I could be wrong

1. There tends to be a lot of guys in their 60s here, and they came out of era when surfers were outcast and hippy like so tend to be very left leaning but almost detached from what the left has become today (many of these guys even say they dont use social media, which i think is why they dont see much of it)

2. Seems many here again older but come from a higher education background went to university etc, so tend to have more left leaning views and more likely to read and spend time writing thought's on something or debating (people like GSCO that come out of this area are quite rare)

While I think more every day run of the mill surfers aren't into debating topics especially politics or social issues, they aren't even big readers or typer's, they are doing other shit with their time that is more hands on, if they do have a view to share its going to on social media or even just under articles just a once off thing not an ongoing discussion type thing.

Thats my perspective

Plus those like you New dog tend to come and go pretty quickly or will get banned as not putting the time into deeper more thoughtful post, so is at risk of getting the flick (i expect like Burleigh)

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BBrowny Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 8:40am
gs-co wrote:

The underlying academic and philosophical basis and rationale for woke is to not view society consisting of unique individuals, all of equal worth and rights.

Instead, the philosophy is to group people into oppressed identity groups upon the basis of background characteristics like skin colour, gender, race, etc. So the mantra is to view society made up of oppressed identity groups and an evil oppressor group, and allocate and identify each individual into their identity group.

The oppressor group is the Caucasian European descended "white" person group, particularly Christians and people who respect and believe in the foundations of Western civilisation like capitalism, Christianity, free speech, equal rights, science and reason, etc.

It's years ago now but the first time I got called woke was after I travelled to Sydney with my brother to attend the gay and lesbian mardi-gras. He'd come out and wanted support so I supported him. Not so many years earlier gay men were being killed in St Kilda, near where he lived, and everyone's heard of the spate of killings in Bondi, Sydney that had the backing of the local constabulary.

Makes sense that those of shared disposition would stick together, safety in numbers etc and that caring friends/outsiders would help.

I suppose you'd say the perpetrators of those heinous crimes "viewed society as individuals" and it was just coincidence all the victims happened to be gay.

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soggydog Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 9:00am
BBrowny wrote:
gs-co wrote:

The underlying academic and philosophical basis and rationale for woke is to not view society consisting of unique individuals, all of equal worth and rights.

Instead, the philosophy is to group people into oppressed identity groups upon the basis of background characteristics like skin colour, gender, race, etc. So the mantra is to view society made up of oppressed identity groups and an evil oppressor group, and allocate and identify each individual into their identity group.

The oppressor group is the Caucasian European descended "white" person group, particularly Christians and people who respect and believe in the foundations of Western civilisation like capitalism, Christianity, free speech, equal rights, science and reason, etc.

It's years ago now but the first time I got called woke was after I travelled to Sydney with my brother to attend the gay and lesbian mardi-gras. He'd come out and wanted support so I supported him. Not so many years earlier gay men were being killed in St Kilda, near where he lived, and everyone's heard of the spate of killings in Bondi, Sydney that had the backing of the local constabulary.

Makes sense that those of shared disposition would stick together, safety in numbers etc and that caring friends/outsiders would help.

I suppose you'd say the perpetrators of those heinous crimes "viewed society as individuals" and it was just coincidence all the victims happened to be gay.

And the perpetrators of those hate crimes could often be described as “ The oppressor group is the Caucasian European descended "white" person group, particularly Christians and people who respect and believe in the foundations of Western civilisation like capitalism, Christianity”. Just not the last bits gs-co included.

I’m also sick of these so called western/christian values used to justify everything from a bit of local bigotry, to economic subjugation to outright genocide.

Gs-co won’t reply as it’s a bait not a conversation.

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Confusion Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 9:07am
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I've got a big confession to make........I still haven't understood/worked out what "woke" means

Hate to disappoint you, but ICE won’t care whether you’re woke or some blithering MAGA cult member, when they pick you up on the street and hold you for as long as they feel like.
That’s right wing indiscrimination of who you voted for.
Sorry buddy,you’re nothing.

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andy-mac Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 9:04am
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I've got a big confession to make........I still haven't understood/worked out what "woke" means

I have always found it says more about the person using the word than the person the word was directed to.

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tearymasseuse Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 9:05am

“ …..and do you know how I am treated and viewed nowadays in a university environment as a fit, strong, handsome, masculine, tanned, heterosexual, blonde haired, blue eyed, Christian white male who is full of life and confidence, and just went for a 2hr surf this morning? I'm the enemy. I'm everything these people have been fighting against. It's completely inappropriate that someone like me is even alive and kicking on planet earth nowadays. They all look at each other in bewilderment that I'm even standing there - they thought my type was eradicated from universities in the 2000s via DEI hiring. It mostly was. “

Faaaark, hang in there fabio ;)
(& don’t forget to love thine enemy and practice forgiveness)

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tearymasseuse Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 9:06am

;)

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andy-mac Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 9:08am

Geez SR, sounds like you have been scoring!!!
Where exactly do you live ??

Only joking:)

Enjoy!

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Confusion Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 9:18am

The shampoo has crossed the
blood brain barrier, into Fabio’s brain cells,
combining with the Botox to create an
anti - woke fashion statement. travesty.
It’s easier to type that , than actually read
go slows malignant propaganda

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andy-mac Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 9:18am

Woke is thrown around a lit, but to simplify it, it could mean just don't be a dick and treat people nicely.

Indo stating most commentators here are 60 plus lefties, maybe he has a point, I'm not there yet, gen x in 50's grew up listening to punk, maybe that gave me a social conscience??

To say I as a white ( handsome mmmm, a face a mother could love) male from I guess a upper middle class background is not starting life from a privileged position is laughable.

Have done my share of travelling and yeah, a white male growing up in Oz is a huge advantage, and now working with kids from lower socio economic of all races, still primarily white Australians I can further see how fortunate I was/ am.

If stuff like free uni education to level playing field, health care to all, and giving some that are facing a few more struggles in life, especially kids a helping hand is woke, then I stand guilty.

Angry rich white men yelling woooooke at TV whilst watching Sky news, well say no more...

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andy-mac Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 9:27am

AOC being woke....

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tearymasseuse Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 9:34am

If fabio keeps keeping on
… you just never know

He could be the voice of a generation
- I mean, it must be the confidence and masculinity

You’ve just gotta be woke to it ;)

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AlfredWallace Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 9:47am
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Newdog.

Hi mate.

Why can’t surfers have a voice or be cookers as you say.

For too long we’ve been flocks of sheep, all doing the same thing, behaving in the same manner , wearing similar clothes, riding similar boards , an era of invention on all levels mostly because we have a ram ruling the roost and we fear to buck the trend in fear of ridicule.
For crying out load, we’ve been stereotyped by society for how we dressed, behaved , what we put in our bodies, our social and political stances and views on life since the late 50’s and early 60’s
It’s about time we break that shell and be outspoken, have a voice and educated opinions I say. If something is on ya mind , let it rip, self expression is a good thing.

My opinion. All the best. AW

What’s going on in the US ?

I thought that was his point?

Almost everyone here has the same opinion on many issues, and if you dont like me or GSCO then you will get hammered by the mob and claimed to be stirring up shit for not towing the line (as you claim about me in the other post above)

But as Newdog has observed the majority of views here aren't a reflection of surfers in general, you can even see this on social media where views are much more diverse, i think even in the articles in swellnet when it is slightly politically on environment etc you will get more of a mix of views.

I think its two things but I could be wrong

1. There tends to be a lot of guys in their 60s here, and they came out of era when surfers were outcast and hippy like so tend to be very left leaning but almost detached from what the left has become today (many of these guys even say they dont use social media, which i think is why they dont see much of it)

2. Seems many here again older but come from a higher education background went to university etc, so tend to have more left leaning views and more likely to read and spend time writing thought's on something or debating (people like GSCO that come out of this area are quite rare)

While I think more every day run of the mill surfers aren't into debating topics especially politics or social issues, they aren't even big readers or typer's, they are doing other shit with their time that is more hands on, if they do have a view to share its going to on social media or even just under articles just a once off thing not an ongoing discussion type thing.

Thats my perspective

Plus those like you New dog tend to come and go pretty quickly or will get banned as not putting the time into deeper more thoughtful post, so is at risk of getting the flick (i expect like Burleigh)

IndoDreaming. Hi , good reply and perspective.

If you haven’t worked it out , I was joking about you hiding the real you from NewDog. You were almost excluding yourself from the accusations thrown by him. You are every bit of the same as the rest of us.
You can give it and receive it.
He claimed there were many cookers on here not talking so much surf stuff.
Well, do we have to only talk surf stuff, surely not, can’t we discuss anything we like , it’s an ‘open ‘ forum.
There’s nothing wrong with educating yourselves, now, in the future or in the past, learning is great.
I’ve learnt, I think we all learn, much to know and absorb.

And, I do like you, you have gumption, you don’t defer from your own thoughts and feelings, that’s admirable. Whether we agree or not. You are a Pies supporter. Period.
We will argue and disagree, all of us, but it’s the commitment to want to comment, I admire.

Posters or new posters, relax, it’s not a murder scene, nobody is dying here.

Gs-co. My opinion only, ‘fake news’. All the best . AW

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gs-co Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 9:55am

nothing against replying to you soggydog, and BBrowny.

A lot seems to get conflated in these issues and debates. There's just so much confusion and falsities.

Like Thomas Sowell said, the US civil rights/social justice/affirmative action movement used to be about equal treatment and opportunity for all.

It has now been hijacked by the lunatic woke left and degenerated into systematic discrimination and preferential treatment, basically as a kind of revenge. It's just pure identity politics mob tribalism.

Woke is the antithesis of many central Western values, including the sanctity of the individual, we are all born equal in the sense of equal worth, dignity, rights and opportunity, equality before the law, science and reason including biology, free speech, universal human rights, etc. The US civil right movement used to be about these things.

The reason conservatives are so against woke or the lunatic left - whatever you want to call it - is that many conservatives are very learned in history and philosophy. They know what made Western civilisation the most successful, prosperous and advanced societies and nations with the highest living standards and outcomes across basically all measures and quantifications of these things.

Woke is developed and based in Marxist theory from US university sociology departments and goes directly against many of these things that made Western civilisation into what it is today, and why basically all peoples across the planet are trying to immigrate into the West.

And to dispute many popular books on history and the development and evolution of Western civilisation, the West did not become what it is today and create its prosperity due to things like luck, geography, slavery, pillage and plundering of other civilisation, stealing of the lands of other peoples, theft of inventions and intellectual property from China and Islam, etc. (I'm think of books written by people like Jared Diamond, Ian Morris, David Wengrow and the like.)

Western civilisation developed its prosperity via application of a smallish handful of principles and central tenets, what we call the foundations of the West. They've all been listed many times before and include capitalism, Judeo-Christianity, rule of law, liberal democracy, science and reason, freedom and classical European liberalism, human rights, private property rights, etc. Many of these things originated in the Enlightenment.

Conservatives are against woke because woke has gotten things exactly wrong, backwards, inside out, upside down, and incorrect. It is at odds with the foundational values and principles of Western civilisation that made the West what it is. It is these values and tenets that the US Republican Party is fighting for, and that the lunatic globalist progressives are dead against and trying to tear down.

Conservatives are fighting for us, our culture, and values, our prosperity.

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Supafreak Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 9:54am

Finally some good news from the FDA although their transition time is a bit long in my opinion.

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andy-mac Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 10:00am

nclude capitalism, Judeo-Christianity, rule of law, liberal democracy, science and reason, freedom and classical European liberalism, human rights, etc. Many of these things originated in the Enlightenment.""

Is this not the very things that Trump is presently destroying??
Thought he was the saviour of Western civilisation....

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tearymasseuse Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 10:01am

Hmmmmm

“… many central Western values, including the sanctity of the individual, we are all born equal in the sense of equal worth, dignity, rights and opportunity, equality before the law, science and reason including biology, free speech, universal human rights, etc. “

“… the West did not become what it is today and create its prosperity due to things like luck, geography, slavery, pillage and plundering of other civilisation, stealing of the lands of other peoples “

“… There's just so much confusion and falsities. “

^ yep…. including the actual application of ummm ‘human rights, etc.’

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Sorry repeated posts, phone glitch....

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basesix Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 10:14am
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Woke is thrown around a lit, but to simplify it, it could mean just don't be a dick and treat people nicely.

Indo stating most commentators here are 60 plus lefties, maybe he has a point, I'm not there yet, gen x in 50's grew up listening to punk, maybe that gave me a social conscience??

To say I as a white ( handsome mmmm, a face a mother could love) male from I guess a upper middle class background is not starting life from a privileged position is laughable.

Have done my share of travelling and yeah, a white male growing up in Oz is a huge advantage, and now working with kids from lower socio economic of all races, still primarily white Australians I can further see how fortunate I was/ am.

If stuff like free uni education to level playing field, health care to all, and giving some that are facing a few more struggles in life, especially kids a helping hand is woke, then I stand guilty.

yeh, you're actually normal though @a-mac. Have you noticed there's a 'type' here that thinks we all vote for our own self-interest? You and I vote for what we feel is right, not what benefits us financially. I have viewed the world pretty much the same from when I was being shown it by caring loving broadminded parents. The world has for the most part tried to catch up. Makes you realise that the entitled pricks of the world may have simply had a rough start. @gs-co must have been a real peach in the workplace. I think its clear when he goes off like this he didn't receive the workplace adoration he feels he deserved DESPITE his looking like heaven on a stick, not because of it. He's a radical, not a conservative.

People can drive themselves crazy trying to explain how people and society should work, rather than just asking the people how they'd like it to work directly. @gs-co knows this deep down so he is trying to smash that viewpoint via straw men rationalisation into his underpinning thesis.

Rather than realising the majority should be happy, it's why we vote, but minorities' needs and concerns shouldn't be left behind in that process - we're a fair go country.
He likes the theories that say this is pigeonholing people into victim groups because blah blah blah.

Time for a surf @gsco.

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Confusion Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 10:10am

Agree again AW
I’ve found , the more you do away from surfing ,eg fruit picking in Northern Victoria or spending time in the Western suburbs of Sydney , or having kids , the more you broaden your mind and the more you appreciate surfing.
As opposed to local snake guy.
Variety being the spice of life.

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basesix Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 10:12am

yer at risk of appearing normal again, @jef : /

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andy-mac Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 10:20am
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andy-mac wrote:

Woke is thrown around a lit, but to simplify it, it could mean just don't be a dick and treat people nicely.

Indo stating most commentators here are 60 plus lefties, maybe he has a point, I'm not there yet, gen x in 50's grew up listening to punk, maybe that gave me a social conscience??

To say I as a white ( handsome mmmm, a face a mother could love) male from I guess a upper middle class background is not starting life from a privileged position is laughable.

Have done my share of travelling and yeah, a white male growing up in Oz is a huge advantage, and now working with kids from lower socio economic of all races, still primarily white Australians I can further see how fortunate I was/ am.

If stuff like free uni education to level playing field, health care to all, and giving some that are facing a few more struggles in life, especially kids a helping hand is woke, then I stand guilty.

yeh, you're actually normal though @a-mac. Have you noticed there's a 'type' here that thinks we all vote for our own self-interest? You and I vote for what we feel is right, not what benefits us financially. I have viewed the world pretty much the same from when I was being shown it by caring loving broadminded parents. The world has for the most part tried to catch up. Makes you realise that the entitled pricks of the world may have simply had a rough start. @gs-co must have been a real peach in the workplace. I think its clear when he goes off like this he hasn't received the workplace adoration he feels he deserved DESPITE his looking like heaven on a stick, not because of it. He's a radical, not a conservative.

People can drive themselves crazy trying to explain how people and society should work, rather than just asking the people how they'd like it to work directly. @gs-co knows this deep down so he is trying to smash that viewpoint via straw men rationalisation into his underpinning thesis.

Rather than realising the majority should be happy, it's why we vote, but minorities' needs and concerns shouldn't be left behind in that process - we're a fair go country.
He likes the theories that say this is pigeonholing people into victim groups because blah blah blah.

Time for a surf @gsco.

Cheers B6.

I guess we all view the world from our own unique perspective due to our intrinsic nature and our environmental surroundings....

Hobbs versus Rousseau again, yep I'm reading about them in a book, Human Kind... :)

How you view the world generally comes true to u.
If you think it's dog eat dog, that is what you will experience, and vice versa.

Been out of water a couple of weeks in Bali, but been small so have been getting my daughter in water.

Will try and surf today, see if injury ok..

Life is good...

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tearymasseuse Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 10:28am

Culture …..values …..prosperity

Choice …..vendettas …..polarity

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BBrowny Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 10:32am
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nothing against replying to you soggydog, and BBrowny.

You didn't answer my post at all? You have your academic view of it but my lived experience says wokeness developed as a defence mechanism by persecuted minorities banding together and also seeking support from sympathetic outsiders.

Noting that persecution is always along identity lines. It's telling that you have said nothing about that. "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”

FWIW I think the woke sentiment has gone too far but your reason for its existence is nonsense.

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Confusion Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 10:34am
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yer at risk of appearing normal again, @jef : /[/quote
Oh thanks, that’s very complimentary,
Appearances can be deceiving though ?
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stunet Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 10:41am
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yeh, you're actually normal though @a-mac. Have you noticed there's a 'type' here that thinks we all vote for our own self-interest? You and I vote for what we feel is right, not what benefits us financially. I have viewed the world pretty much the same from when I was being shown it by caring loving broadminded parents. The world has for the most part tried to catch up. Makes you realise that the entitled pricks of the world may have simply had a rough start. @gs-co must have been a real peach in the workplace. I think its clear when he goes off like this he didn't receive the workplace adoration he feels he deserved DESPITE his looking like heaven on a stick, not because of it. He's a radical, not a conservative.

People can drive themselves crazy trying to explain how people and society should work, rather than just asking the people how they'd like it to work directly. @gs-co knows this deep down so he is trying to smash that viewpoint via straw men rationalisation into his underpinning thesis.

Rather than realising the majority should be happy, it's why we vote, but minorities' needs and concerns shouldn't be left behind in that process - we're a fair go country.
He likes the theories that say this is pigeonholing people into victim groups because blah blah blah.

Time for a surf @gsco.

Great post, B6.

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Hiccups Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 10:54am
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In this sense, that is why the woke are fascist and very much like Hitler. Hitler's playbook was to identify an oppressor group in German society - the Jews - that was systematically destroying German society and disadvantaging and oppressing the common German peoples. Today's woke is a simple manifestation of Hitler's playbook of creating an imaginary enemy to focus on and view society as being oppressed by, in this case the white Caucasian oppressor group.

Hang on. Who's working from Hitler's fascist playbook? Is it the "woke", or is it literally the Trump administration right now?

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The oppressor group is the Caucasian European descended "white" person group, particularly Christians and people who respect and believe in the foundations of Western civilisation like capitalism, Christianity, free speech, equal rights, science and reason, etc.

hahah. How's capitalism been working out for the proletariat? Oh, it's oppressed them. Cool.

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AndyM Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 10:51am

I don't think very many people seriously question the moral necessity of the beginnings of "woke".
But it's the degree of self-righteous sanctimony, the grandstanding and the pointscoring that are unsettling, surely this is obvious?

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basesix Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 10:53am

yep, it is AndyM. society is a constant conversation, our job is to keep it constructive.

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gs-co Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 10:57am

You couldn't be more wrong about me basesix.

And there is no such thing as minority groups. There's only unique individuals interacting with each other in society.

The notion of a "minority group" sets one down the slippery slope of tribal mob lunatic left woke identity politics.

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Confusion Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 11:01am

The obvious point and unimagined enemy, for the woke people
Is climate change, the manifestation of unchecked capitalism,
Which is behind Trump’s headlong descent into authoritarianism.
A much ignored issue by the anti-woke
Hope you get some clean waves guys !

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basesix Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 11:12am

We have Karenni and Congolese new-Aussies in the big town near here that might disagree @gsco. Vital new-energy in country towns, the locals love it. But they need help, as they help us. (the youth today won't live in the country and pick spuds and shear sheep, they're all off getting whiz-bang maths and economics degrees). A few people with special needs would like us to listen when they want ramps built and yellow lines painted. Police have to be a bit more aware around a gay-friendly pub when out of towners come looking for late night sport. Country kids have extra programs and academic leg-ups to give them exposure to your fancy cities and a better chance of participating in pontifications about the world they live in..

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Hiccups Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 11:03am
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I don't think very many people seriously question the moral necessity of the beginnings of "woke".
But it's the degree of self-righteous sanctimony, the grandstanding and the pointscoring that are unsettling, surely this is obvious?

Maybe any "grandstanding" was necessary to move the pendulum so far, that when it started heading back the other way, it would land further to the humanistic side than it otherwise would have by taking action incrementally and without upsetting the precious sentiments of those resistant to change. Revolutions are rarely subtle.

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tearymasseuse Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 11:05am

You are so unique fabio

- just such a fucking ‘individual’ ;)

You’re probly so handsome you are never wrong either.
It’s just been fascinating hearing your constant absolutist and utterly groundbreaking redefining worldview being put forward…

Sure you aren’t just someone with a big fluffy ego and no real friends ?
- is it possible you weren’t actually invited to stuff or included because you are …well …a bit of a cunt hahaha

I mean …beauty is in the blue eye of the beholder yeah
U sexy beast ;)

U big strong handsome adonis ;);)

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gs-co Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 11:11am

It's no "utterly groundbreaking redefining worldview"

I'm just plagiarising and regurgitating what currently being discussed by conservatives the Western world over.

Are you really living in such a lunatic liberal bubble that you don't even know this?

Surprised that no-one has called me out for it.

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tearymasseuse Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 11:16am

Hahaha :
- It's no "utterly groundbreaking redefining worldview"
Thanks captain obvious (just individual and unique plagiarism)

& Can anyone do backflips like the don ?

They’re unique !
- it’s like they’re the most beautiful tarrific backflips anyone has ever seen ;)

No one has ever seen backflips like these.
(backwards, inside out, upside down)

He’s a fucking true individual interacting with other unique individuals and just making backflips great again ;)

You know …backflips on culture …backflips on values
& backflips on prosperity ;);)

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AndyM Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 11:15am
Hiccups wrote:
AndyM wrote:

I don't think very many people seriously question the moral necessity of the beginnings of "woke".
But it's the degree of self-righteous sanctimony, the grandstanding and the pointscoring that are unsettling, surely this is obvious?

Maybe any "grandstanding" was necessary to move the pendulum so far, that when it started heading back the other way, it would land further to the humanistic side than it otherwise would have by taking action incrementally and without upsetting the precious sentiments of those resistant to change. Revolutions are rarely subtle.

Agree with the pendulum comment, that's usually the way it is.
But when in reality, revolutionaries make it all about them, their ego and their social standing, well things start to get weird.

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andy-mac Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 11:18am
gs-co wrote:

It's no "utterly groundbreaking redefining worldview"

I'm just plagiarising and regurgitating what currently being discussed by conservatives the Western world over.

Are you really living in such a lunatic liberal bubble that you don't even know this?

Surprised that no-one has called me out for it.

Is that an admission you don't think for yourself?

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gs-co Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 11:23am

lol now things are getting comical again.

https://m.

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AndyM Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 11:28am
andy-mac wrote:
gs-co wrote:

It's no "utterly groundbreaking redefining worldview"

I'm just plagiarising and regurgitating what currently being discussed by conservatives the Western world over.

Are you really living in such a lunatic liberal bubble that you don't even know this?

Surprised that no-one has called me out for it.

Is that an admission you don't think for yourself?

What a sucker.

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Confusion Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 11:29am
tearymasseuse wrote:

Hahaha :
- It's no "utterly groundbreaking redefining worldview"
Thanks captain obvious (just individual and unique plagiarism)

& Can anyone do backflips like the don ?

They’re unique !
- it’s like they’re the most beautiful tarrific backflips anyone has ever seen ;)

No one has ever seen backflips like these.
(backwards, inside out, upside down)

He’s a fucking true individual interacting with other unique individuals and just making backflips great again ;)

You know …backflips on culture …backflips on values
& backflips on prosperity ;);)

youtube.com/watch?v=B9eJqA_uJvI

Don’t forget Trumps backflips on extortion demand letters to Harvard University,
When he found out that a majority of the Supreme Court justices had graduated from there ,
“Oh that joke of a demand letter, “ hahaha

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basesix Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 11:34am
gs-co wrote:

You couldn't be more wrong about me basesix.

And there is no such thing as minority groups. There's only unique individuals interacting with each other in society.

The notion of a "minority group" sets one down the slippery slope of tribal mob lunatic left woke identity politics.

I have no opinion about you, except to note that when you're here @sypkan always disappears after an opening compliment to your sources, and that sometimes you lapse into double return spacing.


(an old swellnet classic)

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Hiccups Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 11:37am

This should end well. I'm sure not having trials will stop at deporting people. s/

https://truthout.org/articles/we-cannot-give-everyone-a-trial-trump-says...

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sypkan Wednesday, 23 Apr 2025 at 11:48am

good comments gs-co... :)

and iobservations indod

"...If stuff like free uni education to level playing field, health care to all, and giving some that are facing a few more struggles in life, especially kids a helping hand is woke, then I stand guilty..."

the funny thing is, gs-co agrees with all this and has stated so...

as do I... :)

most posters do...

I think a heap of you have forgotten gs-co told 'his story' of living in a car, basically homeless, living by the seat of his pants... the going to uni mature age, and sorting his shit out...

a story I can relate to... :)

very thankful for the opportunity to do so, and lamenting the fading of such basic (basis) opportunities ...

this is where 'the left' have lost the plot, they've let these basic tenets of old school left philosophy slip, whilst pumping too many resources into middle class fetish politics

ie. woke bullshit