Surf Trainer / Surf Skate Skateboards

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overthefalls started the topic in Saturday, 25 Jul 2020 at 4:13pm

Anyone ever tried them?

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overthefalls commented Saturday, 25 Jul 2020 at 4:20pm

I’m thinking of getting one for a bit of fun when there’s no surf. Apparently they’re also good for your surfing. Do you think they’re worth the money ($350+)?

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Terminal commented Saturday, 25 Jul 2020 at 5:53pm

Got a link to one?

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Westofthelake commented Saturday, 25 Jul 2020 at 6:40pm

Haha Terminal, was thinking the same.

I was a skater before a surfer.

I don't have any recent experience. Actually, my only real skatey experience was probs 30 years ago.

Anyways I found this link which was informative.

https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/2019/10/14/what-is-a-surf-trainer-...

How's these modern day skatey trucks.

truckin

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overthefalls commented Saturday, 25 Jul 2020 at 6:47pm

Smoothstar have a range of skateboards with modified trucks and decks that make skating feel similar to surfing.
https://smoothstar.com.au/

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Terminal commented Saturday, 25 Jul 2020 at 8:01pm

@west, yeah they're wild hey. My old man actually has a setup with those trucks, I've been a skater for over 25 yrs and can barley stand on the thing! Totally different turning to conventional double kicks.

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icandig commented Sunday, 26 Jul 2020 at 10:25am

Overthefalls. There are different types for different purposes.

Smoothstar are generally good for tight turns but not long distance pumping.
Streetboardz / Carveboards good for downhill carving and/or pumping for leg strength. (I had one, but didn't like it much and sold it).
Carvers look like a good option - might get one down the track.
There are many variations and plenty of information about them if you have a look around the internet. The hard part is choosing what you want to do with it.
I've got a Smoothstar for dicking around in my garage and a lovely smooth longboard for cruising down gentle hills. I feel like they've helped me a little in practising technique and just pretending to surf.
Regardless of what you choose, they are heaps of fun.

http://www.streetboardz.net/page.php?page_id=1
https://smoothstar.com.au/
https://www.arborcollective.com/collections/skateboards/products/axis-40...
https://www.concretelines.com.au/product-category/skate/carver-skateboards/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJjwBFFW49E

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mattlock commented Sunday, 26 Jul 2020 at 3:22pm

Smooth star works great on the hills. Steep is good. Use tight surf type carves to keep your speed in check.

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icandig commented Sunday, 26 Jul 2020 at 3:52pm

My bones are too brittle for steep hills. I'll leave that to the younger crew.

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Fraser G commented Sunday, 26 Jul 2020 at 7:33pm

Complete gimmick...nothing worse than someone going ham surfstyle on the street.

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icandig commented Sunday, 26 Jul 2020 at 8:34pm

Surely you're trolling Fraze? Nothing gimmicky about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6eduGJ6Csk

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joesydney commented Sunday, 26 Jul 2020 at 10:13pm

Yup, get in a park on one and they are awesome fun. You can draw super fun lines and they definitely help your surfing, when you can repeat a bottom turn over and over it helps your muscle memory. Learn to how load and unload your weight for speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9_Xee66FGY

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poo-man commented Monday, 27 Jul 2020 at 5:46am

Really good fun to ride around on. I've got a Carver. Some mates have got Smoothstars but they seem quite squeaky and the Carver feels a bit more solid and is USA made

poo-man

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Gary G commented Monday, 27 Jul 2020 at 9:40am

Gary has had a Smoothstar for about 18 months and loves it. At first Gary's technique was a bit too stiff (first time for everything!) and he subsequently couldn't last long, but he has now worked on his stamina & technique and can pump for long periods no worries IcanDig,

Poo-Man - at once stage the front truck started to squeak but Gary just did what Gary does best and applied some lubrication (WD-40) to the spring, smooth as butter.

I’ve created a monster. Cause nobody wants to ride faceys no more, they want Gary; I’m chopped liver.

But if ya want Gary this is what I’ll give ya: a little creatine kiss from a hard licker

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Fraser G commented Monday, 27 Jul 2020 at 10:52am

Put some riser pads on your skateboard and some softer wheels then loosen your trucks get the same result and a hell of a lot cheaper...Hows that vid joe posted thats exactly what I'm talking about even Barton couldn't pull it off.But hey I am just a skateboard snob...everyone should aim for this...

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icandig commented Monday, 27 Jul 2020 at 11:47am

Fraser, I imagine you'd scoff at my razor scooter and blow up Sup as well. Skaters gonna hate. Gary G - do you have any videos of your pumping technique? I'd be interested to know how you keep it up for so long?

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Dale -Cooper commented Monday, 27 Jul 2020 at 1:08pm

Christian's kid and John John's mate. Floooooow...

You may have to turn the music down. Hurts the old eardrums, what?

“The dog leg. That dog had four legs. One you found in my trunk. The other three went out with the information you're thinking about right now. Two people you don't want coming around here if anything bad happens to me.”

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Dale -Cooper commented Monday, 27 Jul 2020 at 12:31pm

Or conversely, one for the Swellies...

“The dog leg. That dog had four legs. One you found in my trunk. The other three went out with the information you're thinking about right now. Two people you don't want coming around here if anything bad happens to me.”

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Gary G commented Monday, 27 Jul 2020 at 1:37pm

Fraser G - Gary has a real skateboard for real skating. Surf-skates / smoothstar aren't real skating but fun nevertheless.

Icandig- Gary doesn't usually take film footage, he's more of a livestream kinda guy. Will send you a nudge when his next webcam event starts xoxo

I’ve created a monster. Cause nobody wants to ride faceys no more, they want Gary; I’m chopped liver.

But if ya want Gary this is what I’ll give ya: a little creatine kiss from a hard licker

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blackers commented Monday, 27 Jul 2020 at 2:44pm

That Heel Trick Guy vid is special DC, interpretive dance for the iso age. Some smooth skating elsewhere folks, keep em coming, ‘cept perhaps the live stream Gary. Keep it behind your paywall.

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Detox commented Monday, 27 Jul 2020 at 5:38pm
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yeti commented Wednesday, 29 Jul 2020 at 10:37am

I've got a Carver with CX truck. Might not be real skating, might not be real surfing but it's damn fun and it does "feel" like surfing, except you can make that wave last as long as you want.
And definitely highlighted some issues in my surfing turns and got a light-bulb moment from that.
You got to be careful not to fall in the delusion that pumping a surf skate is like pumping on a wave though, easy to get bad habits from it.

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yeti commented Wednesday, 29 Jul 2020 at 10:45am
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Fraser G commented Wednesday, 29 Jul 2020 at 2:43pm

Haha Yeti you keep up strengthening my point...not trolling just making a point you know.Some of the worst accidents I've seen over the last few years other than young groms on scooters is crew rocking up with the "surf simulator boards" trying too get all freaky...does not end well...best advice for helping your surfing and not wanting to use transition is pumptracks bigger the better.How can you troll using Grant Taylor ?

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Rabbits68 commented Wednesday, 29 Jul 2020 at 2:47pm

That Grant Taylor clip was incredible. Amazing skills!

Crystal Clear

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Terminal commented Wednesday, 29 Jul 2020 at 9:47pm

Glifberg taking the kids to school at 45:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oyezIY3shmo

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Island Bay commented Thursday, 30 Jul 2020 at 4:11am

Holy smoke, he still rips!

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belly commented Thursday, 30 Jul 2020 at 7:44am

Some dude went past me after work yesterday on an electric skateboard thing, looked like it had a larger centre wheel in the trucks with 2 smaller outriders. He was riding it snowboard carving style.
Meh, I'm an old school into modern skate fan myself.

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belly commented Thursday, 30 Jul 2020 at 7:44am

Some dude went past me after work yesterday on an electric skateboard thing, looked like it had a larger centre wheel in the trucks with 2 smaller outriders. He was riding it snowboard carving style.
Meh, I'm an old school into modern skate fan myself.

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juegasiempre commented Thursday, 30 Jul 2020 at 9:47am

I got a smoothstar (Toledo 77) and I also ride a skateboard. I even ride it in bowls sometimes but never tried dropping in on one cause the front trucks are pretty loose. I probably could though. The way it carves frontside (skating frontside) is way nicer than a normal skatey. Or even carving in general but they're far more limited.

The smoothstar is good to work on bottom turns, cutbacks or whatever you're weak at. It carries over to surfing as well IMO. I've found though that once you have the basics down, I prefer to ride a normal skateboard. A normal skateboard is more fun and versatile for me and although the turning circle is way worse, I'll sometimes practice bottom and top turning on banks at skateparks like I do with my smoothstar. The body mechanics are the same but you can get more rotation with the smoothstar cause of the front truck.

Oh, if I had my time again I would get a slightly smaller one. The toledo 77 has bigger back wheels that are harder to slide but you can slide them but I would prefer a shorter wheelbase (183cm, 80kg) and smaller rear wheels.

Not that it's a factor for me, but I've never seen anyone look cool when they ride them. Especially when people don't pump but wiggle from side to side. It's also hard to jump between them because of how differently they turn. I'll skate around the skatepark and after I'll bust out the smoothstar or vice versa and sometimes fall off just turning when jumping on the other. The Smoothstar is way higher as well. They're very different.

My verdict is unless you're really working on your surfing, get a normal skateboard. If you only want to surf and improve at surfing, get a smoothstar.

EDIT: I read through all the comments and agree with them except the dude that said pumping on a surfskate isn't the same as surfing. It's not the same but on a smoothstar it's basically the same IMO. Can't comment on a carver because I've never skated one.

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icandig commented Thursday, 30 Jul 2020 at 3:49pm

Fraser, saying everyone should aim to skate like Grant Taylor is like telling everyone to aspire to surf like John John. It just aint gunna happen, especially given my limited ability. Having said that, Taylor has got a really nice carving style in bowls akin to a surf style. I used to skate bowls and half pipes (back in the 80's / 90's) but haven't for years. I used what people call 'cruisers' but they were the de rigueur of the day. Tried the popsicles, but could never really master them. Surf skates fill the gap -especially on the flats . I'm never gunna kickflip one, but I can cruise around mine in the garage and practice technique...good for muscle memory and I can attest that I've 100% managed to replicate some movements in the water. Not as cool or as skilled as a so called real skateboard. I get it - Kooky looking ; yep but i can close the roller door, visualise a Margaret River John John carve and in my mind I'm ripping.

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Fraser G commented Thursday, 30 Jul 2020 at 1:26pm

icandig give pumptracks a go ...great for stamina and the pumping over the humps teach you to be light on your feet while the corners are like setting your rail...all done at the most important thing in both surfing and skating ......SPEED.... Grant Taylor is more like a skating Tom Curren...out of everyones reach haha.

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icandig commented Thursday, 30 Jul 2020 at 1:46pm

Nearest pump track to me is about an hour away (we do have gravel ones for bikes though) - I trawled the web a while back. They seem to be the go though - look like heaps of fun. Might have to hassle the Council for one. Cheers.

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Terminal commented Thursday, 30 Jul 2020 at 5:21pm

Hmmm, the John John of skating, hard one, don't think it's GT though, little to no switch game. Evan Smith or Ishod maybe? Ishod is like today's Tom Penny. Then there's Daewon and Haslam:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j-IK3imnbzg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBhEyX0zeI

There's a great quote in the comments "no matter how good you think you are, there's always a Haslam better than you", classic!

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Terminal commented Thursday, 30 Jul 2020 at 5:21pm

Hmmm, the John John of skating, hard one, don't think it's GT though, little to no switch game. Evan Smith or Ishod maybe? Ishod is like today's Tom Penny. Then there's Daewon and Haslam:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j-IK3imnbzg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBhEyX0zeI

There's a great quote in the comments "no matter how good you think you are, there's always a Haslam better than you", classic!

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belly commented Thursday, 30 Jul 2020 at 7:10pm

For street hard to go past Nyjah

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Terminal commented Thursday, 30 Jul 2020 at 7:51pm

Yeah agreed re Nyjah, not really known for his transition game though. Evan and Ishod are incredible on transition, Ishod particularly. Pretty sure I've seen footage of him throwing down padless 540s in bowls, and cabalerials so relaxed he's nearly snoozing off

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Fraser G commented Thursday, 30 Jul 2020 at 8:37pm

This is great ...skateboarding such a diverse pastime...was hooked ever since riding my cousins skateboard in the 70's through to the boom mid late 80's and onwards....now both groms have skated since before than can remember...how much stuff for them to skate these days is unreal so many parks...so good for your surfing...learning to fall and get back up and go again...learning limits pushing boundaries can't recommend it enough for kids as they grow up especially through adolescence...keeps confidence and releases angst...

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Dale -Cooper commented Thursday, 30 Jul 2020 at 10:02pm

Surfing has tuberiding. There is no skate equivalent.

Though I was always fond of the boardslide in all of its manifestations back in the day.

Quite a line.

Street Cab!

Frontside!

History...

RIP Grosso.

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Fraser G commented Thursday, 30 Jul 2020 at 10:13pm

I think the gx1000 stuff would be pritty close to being barreled