Should Cage Diving be Banned ? Poll

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uncle_leroy started the topic in Saturday, 11 Oct 2014 at 12:08pm

A cage diving poll.

Do you give the thumbs up or thumbs down to cage diving in Australian waters.....??

Points of interest
- Cage diving possibly conditioning sharks to associate boats with a free feed
- Scientists claiming cage diving as research yet constantly dangle tuna heads in front of the wild animals for hours on end
- GWS migration patterns, sharks exposed to cage diving activities in South Oz, travelling through Vicco, Nsw and into Qld, other west into WA and across to South Africa. South African sharks exposed to cage diving migrating to Australia.
- Tourist benefit
- Business income to the operator, employee's and the boats home Port
- Animals best interest

Yes - ban the cage diving in all Australian waters

No - allow cage diving practices to continue in South Australia

Hell No - allow cage diving to continue and introduce it to Vicco and WA

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uncle_leroy commented Saturday, 11 Oct 2014 at 12:11pm

Yes, No or Hell No only please

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blanche commented Saturday, 11 Oct 2014 at 1:43pm

Yes.

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simba commented Saturday, 11 Oct 2014 at 2:09pm

Ban it ,its a no brainer,similar to training a lion to jump thru hoops except whites are being trained to associate people and food.....Genius.

YES

simba

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indo-dreaming commented Saturday, 11 Oct 2014 at 6:32pm

Yes

Please Stunet give me an ignore button for Talking Turkey, Shatners Basoon, Dale Cooper, Factotum, Pupkin, and any new fake profile he decides to create.

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Joel Eugene Sla... commented Saturday, 11 Oct 2014 at 7:38pm

Yes

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udo commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 7:12am

YES !
A bit of shark action at Dunsborough beach W.A.yesterday arvo with a shark biting into an inflatable boat.

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wellymon commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 10:30am

Yes

Our brains are too small at the moment to comprehend the reality of what's happening in our forests . We're only just waking up so to speak . The big problem is we think we know everything, we are specks of dust on a timeline and we know nothing .

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saltyone commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 1:38pm

Yes, definitely.

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Sheepdog commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 1:44pm

Leroy, this poll has flaws, like most polls..... There are 2 "no" options... Only one "yes " option... That's unbalanced for starters...... There is no "undecided" option..... This may explain why you have only had 7 responses in over 24 hours.....
May I suggest :
Hell yes - ban cage diving in all Australian waters
Yes - Ban recreational cage diving, but true scientific studies by eg - CSIRO etc may continue using cages
No - allow current recreational cage diving practices to continue.
Hell No - Allow expansion and growth of recreational cage diving
Hmmm - undecided, more data needed...

Sheepdog

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wellymon commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 3:20pm

What about Uumm No- cage diving only allowed around Sheepios local breaks

Our brains are too small at the moment to comprehend the reality of what's happening in our forests . We're only just waking up so to speak . The big problem is we think we know everything, we are specks of dust on a timeline and we know nothing .

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Sheepdog commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 4:07pm

We got salmon cages down here, yeti boy.... Had a 14 footer in dover bay, just cruising around.... You know, the smell of 1000 salmon shitting, seals, attacking the nets yadda yadda.... Do we ban fish farming too?

Btw, I would've voted "hmmm"..... From Leroy's post , I take it there is no cage diving in W.A, yet that seems to be where the majority of attacks have occurred... So, Let's compare the stats for fatal and serious GWS attacks in W.A, say against S.A, and in particular a 100km radius around where cage diving occurs.......

Sheepdog

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wellymon commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 4:17pm

Fair call Dawg

Geez I would hate to be your lamb bone, you bite pretty hard ;)

Our brains are too small at the moment to comprehend the reality of what's happening in our forests . We're only just waking up so to speak . The big problem is we think we know everything, we are specks of dust on a timeline and we know nothing .

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wellymon commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 4:28pm

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Our brains are too small at the moment to comprehend the reality of what's happening in our forests . We're only just waking up so to speak . The big problem is we think we know everything, we are specks of dust on a timeline and we know nothing .

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udo commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 4:39pm

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floyd commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 4:44pm

Sheepdog's Yes.

An example of an industry springing up with little or no apparent regulation or forethought on what other impacts there might be.

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surfbuzz commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 6:32pm

Yes

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yorkessurfer commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 7:01pm

I'm not a fan so I'd say yes ban them but I regularly surf less than 40 miles from the cage diving tours and if sharks were being trained to see humans as food you'd think a surfer would have been attacked around here by now?
I'd still rather they didn't do it though just to be on the safe side.

There hasn't been a surfer attacked on the Yorke Peninsula yet(touch wood). A guy skin-diving near Edithburgh sadly got eaten last summer but I heard he was dragging a burly bucket full of chopped up fish behind him so that may have attracted the shark?

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udo commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 7:04pm

@ yorky a windsurfer fatal attack at Corny point area 1999 I think - channel 9 cameraman ?

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yorkessurfer commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 7:15pm

A lot of stories went around about that one udo, even a rumour of a life insurance scam? His wetsuit was found intact? How a shark could get a body out of a suit without damaging it? A scratch/tooth mark in his weight belt was all they had to suggest a shark attack? Who knows but I'm not even sure cage diving was being done in the 90's? He was a fair way out in Hardwicke Bay too so nowhere near the surf zone.

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uncle_leroy commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 7:30pm

Apologies Sheepy, I will make sure that I sign up to the appropriate after hours tertiary education course at earliest convenience.
Good point with the fish farms, the same could be said for cray pots in WA.
The km of coastline:people in the water ratio for SA would be a hell of a lot less than the Margies/Perth coastline where the majority of attack have occured.
Pretty straight forward that the section of coastline with the highest number of people entering the water is where the most fatalities are occuring. Just more chance of a GWS swimming past someone I suppose.
Would be very intersting to do a breakdown on numbers in the water v's location v's attacks and see the actual possibility of being chomped for your local surf area. You could break it up into regions, Vic border to spencer gulf/Lincon, Lincon to wa border, wa border to esperance, esperance to bremer, bremer to augusta, augusta to dunsborogh, dunns to lancelin.
Just seems they head west on migration patterns from being hand fed and the first point of call with a significant numbers of people using the water is Margies, or if they don't bump into anyone by then the Perth metro area. Lots of donks attached to boats in Perth/Margies region that have recieved a bit of dentistry work from a GWS.

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udo commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 7:34pm

There was a charter operator Mark Waller who says he played ACDC music underwater to attract GWS and didn't need to use burley,the pioneer of acoustic attraction.

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udo commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 7:49pm

Yorky I just read the coroners report on the Hardwick Bay attack on Tony Donoghue: the wetsuit was found with bite marks and lacerations consistent with a shark attack, no body was recovered.

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yorkessurfer commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 8:00pm

@udo I'm just going from memory of what was said around the peninsula after the attack. I do recall even in the media at the time it not being as clear cut and certain as that but I will take the coroners opinion. Do you know if they were doing cage diving tours back then?

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udo commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 8:12pm

Wikipedia says cage diving at Neptune started late 1970s.

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yorkessurfer commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 8:13pm

Shit that long ago! I suppose they were doing it in Jaws and that shark footage was filmed around here in the 1970's

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yorkessurfer commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 8:13pm

Shit that long ago! I suppose they were doing it in Jaws and that shark footage was filmed around here in the 1970's

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udo commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 8:29pm

Ron and Val Taylor in 1974 did the Jaws stuff.

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simba commented Sunday, 12 Oct 2014 at 9:29pm

From memory i think Rodney Fox was the first to start cage diving in south aus and he worked on Jaws in the early 70s.Funnily enough the reason he started cage diving was because he was attacked by a white pointer in a spearfishing comp in sa in the 60s,lucky to survive with massive injuries.
Anyway no one is saying all attacks are caused by sharks being in contact with cage divers but it certainly doesent send the right message to them.......imo

simba

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mothart commented Monday, 13 Oct 2014 at 4:15pm

YES!

Going to be hard to get it banned... A few people with lots of money are making a lot more money.

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Sheepdog commented Monday, 13 Oct 2014 at 5:45pm

uncle_leroy wrote: Apologies Sheepy, I will make sure that I sign up to the appropriate after hours tertiary education course at earliest convenience.
Good point with the fish farms, the same could be said for cray pots in WA.
The km of coastline:people in the water ratio for SA would be a hell of a lot less than the Margies/Perth coastline where the majority of attack have occured.
Pretty straight forward that the section of coastline with the highest number of people entering the water is where the most fatalities are occuring. Just more chance of a GWS swimming past someone I suppose.
Would be very intersting to do a breakdown on numbers in the water v's location v's attacks and see the actual possibility of being chomped for your local surf area. You could break it up into regions, Vic border to spencer gulf/Lincon, Lincon to wa border, wa border to esperance, esperance to bremer, bremer to augusta, augusta to dunsborogh, dunns to lancelin.
Just seems they head west on migration patterns from being hand fed and the first point of call with a significant numbers of people using the water is Margies, or if they don't bump into anyone by then the Perth metro area. Lots of donks attached to boats in Perth/Margies region that have recieved a bit of dentistry work from a GWS.

Don't say sorry, Leroy..... Just don't pull that shit again........ :P..... Just joking, mate..... Maybe we should take this convo' to another thread, and allow the vote to continue..... Cheers, man.....

Sheepdog

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Surfnsun411 commented Tuesday, 14 Oct 2014 at 3:05pm

On the fence with this one.

Fish farming is defiantly more of an issue than cage diving. At least in Pt Lincoln it is. Hundreds of tuna and kingfish farms fill the area between port Lincoln and spilsby island. During harvest, the blood and guts attracts ALOT of pointers. At last years harvest we had at least 7 pointers hanging around the boat at any one time. And that's just at one farm! The sharks are associating the boats and us divers with food, every day.

That's the real issue here. Shark cage diving is but a drop in the ocean compared to the impact the fish farms have...

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yorkessurfer commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2015 at 7:23am

Shark cage diving tours could be coming to a beach near you near you soon Eyre Peninsula surfers.
Shark cage diving expansion at Eyre Peninsula poses risk to divers and recreational users, Abalone association says
https://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/a/26871461/shark-cage-diving-expansion-at-e...

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mothart commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2015 at 9:37am

Both sites mentioned are close to waves (no need to name names).

Would you go surfing if cage diving was going on a stone's throw away?

Just heard on the radio 16 sites are being looked at, anybody know the other 14?

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ACB__ commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2015 at 10:52am

I can't believe the noahs still haven't returned after the orca killed a GQ. That was at least 2 months ago, and that used to be a pretty densely populated area for whites 5 or 7 spotted daily... crazy.

http://www.sharkcagediving.com.au/shark-tours/shark-sightings-2/

Not a single sighting since 2nd Feb. I'm neither for or against cage diving but the result in the orca killing is amazing...

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udo commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2015 at 11:14am

The Farollon island Orca GWS shark kill was 1997 ....dosent seem to have happened since ?

off topic but Interesting the amount of radioactive waste that was dumped there by USA up to 1970....47000 barrels of the stuff.

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chin commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2015 at 11:15am

I bet Calypso are having second thoughts about the sighting brag calender on their web site, not going to have the punters lining up.
I can see this developing into a good old fashioned Port Lincoln simmering grudge fest, considering one of the players has a foot in both camps, ab diving and shark cage diving.

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uncle_leroy commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2015 at 11:22am

ACB__ wrote: I can't believe the noahs still haven't returned after the orca killed a GQ. That was at least 2 months ago, and that used to be a pretty densely populated area for whites 5 or 7 spotted daily... crazy.

Sounds like a great small business venture if you had an orca as your friend, 5 buckets of slimy mackerel in exchange for a GW head., in exchange for $10k would do.....

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udo commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2015 at 11:33am

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ACB__ commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2015 at 11:32am

uncle_leroy wrote:
ACB__ wrote: I can't believe the noahs still haven't returned after the orca killed a GQ. That was at least 2 months ago, and that used to be a pretty densely populated area for whites 5 or 7 spotted daily... crazy.

Sounds like a great small business venture if you had an orca as your friend, 5 buckets of slimy mackerel in exchange for a GW head., in exchange for $10k would do.....

Free Willy still taking work? I'd love to explore and surf the Bight but only with an orca body / surf guard hahaha

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barley commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2015 at 11:46am

Strike and hook had the full list up on fb moth..too bad i reckon..its alright for them to stir the gw's up but the average fisho who sees them gets in trouble..suck eggs i reckon..be interesting to see if attacks decrease in SA..one of the islands has a name very close to one of the best rights in oz..not sure if its incorrect spelling?

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udo commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2015 at 11:56am

The Pages is on the list......berley up backstairs passage the GWS shark hwy ..you must be fucking joking....good luck surfing the Fluerieu .

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Rabbits68 commented Tuesday, 31 Mar 2015 at 4:27pm

Yes.

Whilst I would love to see one of these wild amazing creatures of the ocean in the flesh without the risk of being attacked (so from within a cage) I think there must be a correlation between cage diving & shark attacks on humans. I've got no evidence to base that call on but just my opinion.

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troppo dichotomy commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2015 at 5:04am

shark diving should only be allowed with NO CAGE!
that will put it on par with surfing

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wellymon commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2015 at 1:00pm

Cagey Diving!

Our brains are too small at the moment to comprehend the reality of what's happening in our forests . We're only just waking up so to speak . The big problem is we think we know everything, we are specks of dust on a timeline and we know nothing .

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mothart commented Wednesday, 1 Apr 2015 at 11:32pm

What was that town in Jaws called..,Amity?(long time since I read the book).
Where tourist dollar was more important than human life.

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southey commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2015 at 1:52am

Amity ( friends ) , Lincoln is a pretty friendly town . Maybe you were thinking the Amity Affliction .
Martha's Vineyard was the real island used as Amity in the movie . That has surf , connection solved !

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mothart commented Thursday, 2 Apr 2015 at 7:51am

Or maybe the connection was the pointer footage was out of there.

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udo commented Thursday, 6 Aug 2015 at 7:28am

MR instagram : Mark Richards and his cage diving views.

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simba commented Thursday, 6 Aug 2015 at 8:22am

Has Adelaide got a wharf? well stick one off the front of that,think of the money they will make.

simba

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salt commented Thursday, 6 Aug 2015 at 8:23am

Yes Yes Yes! Ban it!