DUMP on Trump
What case am I pleading ? The thread is titled dump on trump if you don’t like it don’t read it . Trump writes his own shit on a daily/ hourly / minute basis . I find the whole sideshow pretty funny and disturbing at the same time . He may be a great man to you but you’re in the minority on that one . Cheer up burls , you can always go surfing . Care to challenge any of the insta snippets burls ?
Supafreak wrote:What case am I pleading ? The thread is titled dump on trump if you don’t like it don’t read it . Trump writes his own shit on a daily/ hourly / minute basis . I find the whole sideshow pretty funny and disturbing at the same time . He may be a great man to you but you’re in the minority on that one . Cheer up burls , you can always go surfing . Care to challenge any of the insta snippets burls ?
Surfed twice today + 22km jog this arv. Feel great. Waves were average though.
I haven’t watched your Instagram posts, just find it amusing/sad that you’re obsessed with trump.
Good luck finding your Indo bride. You may have to venture away from Lembongan for this quest.
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burleigh wrote:Supafreak wrote:What case am I pleading ? The thread is titled dump on trump if you don’t like it don’t read it . Trump writes his own shit on a daily/ hourly / minute basis . I find the whole sideshow pretty funny and disturbing at the same time . He may be a great man to you but you’re in the minority on that one . Cheer up burls , you can always go surfing . Care to challenge any of the insta snippets burls ?
Surfed twice today + 22km jog this arv. Feel great. Waves were average though.
I haven’t watched your Instagram posts, just find it amusing/sad that you’re obsessed with trump.
Good luck finding your Indo bride. You may have to venture away from Lembongan for this quest.
Sick one. Is that the beach run from Burleigh to Cav ave and back? Used to do that one regularly. Entertaining run!!
Hahaha , I’m separated from my wife thanks burls and we remain very good friends . I do alright on NL and it’s nice to meet holiday makers with no strings attached . As for being obsessed with Trump , I’m more interested in the insanity that surrounds it all . So called christians supporting a bloke whose questionable morals aren’t questioned just accepted and excused. Some like yourself believe he’s a great man and this is what I find both bizarre & fascinating. I don’t blame you for not looking at the short insta clips as they are both embarrassing and show what happens when a clown takes center stage . Are you not entertained burly ? I would like to read your thoughts on what makes Trump a great man .
Getting a bit tired of bagging Christian people because they support trump.
I don’t think Christian people really think he’s anything special , but he does support freedom of speech, freedom to choose your own way and freedom to bring up your kids how you want to bring them up without state interference.
Something the dems did not.
Thats the only reason he gets support.
If Australia continues down the road it’s going with state interference in family life, as well as migration that’s unsuitable to our culture, the same support for radical leaders will also end up happening here.
Optimist wrote:Getting a bit tired of bagging Christian people because they support trump.
I don’t think Christian people really think he’s anything special , but he does support freedom of speech, freedom to choose your own way and freedom to bring up your kids how you want to bring them up without state interference.
Something the dems did not.
Thats the only reason he gets support.
If Australia continues down the road it’s going with state interference in family life, as well as migration that’s unsuitable to our culture, the same support for radical leaders will also end up happening here.
Wrong…no one bags christian people for supporting Trump. Christians get bagged for their complete hypocrisy and their ability to turn the other cheek and ignore their own values when it suits them.
Optimist wrote:Getting a bit tired of bagging Christian people because they support trump.
I don’t think Christian people really think he’s anything special , but he does support freedom of speech, freedom to choose your own way and freedom to bring up your kids how you want to bring them up without state interference.
Something the dems did not.
Thats the only reason he gets support.
If Australia continues down the road it’s going with state interference in family life, as well as migration that’s unsuitable to our culture, the same support for radical leaders will also end up happening here.
Freedom to go to a certain island ....
Great man....
Supafreak wrote:Hahaha , I’m separated from my wife thanks burls and we remain very good friends . I do alright on NL and it’s nice to meet holiday makers with no strings attached . As for being obsessed with Trump , I’m more interested in the insanity that surrounds it all . So called christians supporting a bloke whose questionable morals aren’t questioned just accepted and excused. Some like yourself believe he’s a great man and this is what I find both bizarre & fascinating. I don’t blame you for not looking at the short insta clips as they are both embarrassing and show what happens when a clown takes center stage . Are you not entertained burly ? I would like to read your thoughts on what makes Trump a great man .
No point, what some see as a success you'll see an a failure.
You seem like a decent bloke Supa, i'm not sure why you're letting trump into your world like this.
southernraw wrote:burleigh wrote:Supafreak wrote:What case am I pleading ? The thread is titled dump on trump if you don’t like it don’t read it . Trump writes his own shit on a daily/ hourly / minute basis . I find the whole sideshow pretty funny and disturbing at the same time . He may be a great man to you but you’re in the minority on that one . Cheer up burls , you can always go surfing . Care to challenge any of the insta snippets burls ?
Surfed twice today + 22km jog this arv. Feel great. Waves were average though.
I haven’t watched your Instagram posts, just find it amusing/sad that you’re obsessed with trump.
Good luck finding your Indo bride. You may have to venture away from Lembongan for this quest.
Sick one. Is that the beach run from Burleigh to Cav ave and back? Used to do that one regularly. Entertaining run!!
Great viewing for sure, but i went into the hills.
From Today's Age in response to @opti's defence of Trump ^^
Aping Trump, or Trumpism, will spell disaster for the Coalition
For months, the Coalition has been demanding that Anthony Albanese meet Donald Trump. Australia was being treated like a “piece of dirt”, according to Liberal Senator Andrew Bragg, and it was Albanese’s fault.
Now that a formal meeting in the White House has been confirmed for October 20, Washington time, the Coalition is hoping fervently that the American president slings mud at the prime minister.
It should have lots to work with if Albanese does his job properly. Not that he’ll seek an argument. But it’s increasingly difficult to avoid.
The two countries’ values have now diverged more than at any time since we became allies. At core, this is not about politics or policy. It’s about values, the values of a showcase democracy – Australia – in stark contrast with those of an emerging authoritarian state – the US.
“There’s never before been any sense that the two countries are going on separate paths on values,” says James Curran, a historian of the alliance and professor of modern history at Sydney University.
“There were policy differences, but they were always patched up. I think this is unique. We are in uncharted territory – at no point since the signing of ANZUS in 1951 has there been such a vast gulf in values between Australia and the US. No amount of honeyed rhetoric can mask that we are still relying on a great power whose current leader is relentlessly attacking the very pillars of the American experiment.”
Australian prime ministers have always celebrated the alliance based on “shared values” that transcend politics and policy difference. But while Australia’s values haven’t changed, the once-shared beliefs “are all under horrific assault by Trump,” says Curran.
Opposition leader Sussan Ley this week rejected Australia’s recognition of Palestinian statehood by telling Karl Stefanovic: “We should always stand up for Australia’s national interest, and that aligns us with our major ally, the US.”
That was Tuesday. By Friday, Trump had announced a 100 per cent tariff on pharmaceutical imports and Ley had issued a statement that the Coalition “strongly opposes the imposition of tariffs on Australia by the US, and we stand ready to help the government in any way”.
She described the pharma tariffs as a “shocking but unsurprising development”. There will be many more. The Liberals need to be careful that they’re not trapped on the wrong side of the next one. Or the one after that, and the many more to follow.
On the same day, in another shocking but unsurprising development, a Trump-appointed district attorney had brought charges against the former director of the FBI, James Comey. As Trump had demanded publicly.
The case against Comey is so feeble that even the previous Trump-appointed district attorney in the same jurisdiction had refused to prosecute him. So Trump removed Erik Siebert last Friday. The new appointment, Lindsey Halligan, had no such scruples. She was a personal lawyer to Trump. She acted immediately in this naked political purge.
This is precisely what an authoritarian consolidation of power looks like. And we are not yet even one-quarter into Trump’s term.
If pursued, Sussan Ley’s Tuesday formula that “Australia’s national interest … aligns us with our major ally” will lead the Liberals to disaster. Or, more accurately, to deeper disaster.
As the Coalition should have learnt at the last election, any identification with Trump is repulsive to the Australian electorate. Peter Dutton merely flirted with a Trumpian association. It mortally wounded the Coalition.
To remind. Dutton had been a little too happy to associate himself with the man he called “a big thinker”. And when Trump aimed his “Liberation Day” tariff cannon at Australia, the effect on voters was immediate. According to former Liberal strategist and now RedBridge consultant Tony Barry, it was “a hammer blow”. He was conducting focus groups at the time. “I don’t think people realise what a massive impact that has had.”
It’s not just that Trump has overturned the values of the Republican Party, though he’s done that pretty comprehensively. A traditional Republican, Peter Wehner, who served in the White House under three Republican presidents – Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush – explains: “A party that formerly proclaimed allegiance to the Constitution and the rule of law, warned about the concentration and abuse of power, and championed virtue, restraint, and moral formation has been transmogrified. The Republican Party now stands for everything it once loathed. The significance of this shift can hardly be overstated.”
Trump has gone much further. He showcased this week that he is not only overturning Republican values, American constitutionalism and democratic norms. The world’s greatest power is at war with the scientific revolution launched by Nicolaus Copernicus in 1543 and the values of the Enlightenment itself.
He told the leaders of some 150 nations to their faces that they’re “stupid” for swallowing the climate “hoax” while advising against childhood vaccinations and Tylenol (the painkiller Australians know as paracetamol) taken by pregnant women on the unfounded claim that they cause autism.
This is not entirely new from Trump but shouldn’t inure us to the fact that he is leading the world’s most powerful state in a rejection of empiricism, evidence and expertise. By promoting crank science and conspiracy theories, he’s championing pre-Copernican obscurantism, in the phrase memorably deployed by Paul Keating three decades ago.
Copernicus gave birth to the scientific revolution by daring to observe that the sun, not the Earth, was at the centre of the solar system. Trump has asserted himself as the centre, the “sun king” around whom all else orbits, Truth Social transcending all other truths.
He fired the general in charge of the Defence Intelligence Agency for delivering an empirical assessment of battle damage in Iran, the national statistician for publishing an inconvenient truth on employment figures, the expert leading the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention for pursuing scientific fact.
Trump is revolting against the Age of Reason. Is this really where the Coalition wants to take us with a blind allegiance to the new US agenda? No responsible leader could follow the US into wild superstition and authoritarian fiat.
But which Australian values does Trump share? Democracy? No. He’s never recognised the 2020 election result, never agreed to accept the 2024 election result unless he were the winner, repeatedly toys with the idea of staying in power beyond his term, and admires dictators and disdains democrats.
What about the once-shared commitment to liberty, another Enlightenment value? No. He’s asked his generals to shoot unarmed protesters, denied basic rights to immigrants suspected of being illegal and even fully legal ones, threatened to cancel TV broadcast licences over political criticism, sued multiple media outlets for astronomical sums to silence unwelcome news.
Trump has broken precedent with all postwar US leaders by undermining American-made instruments of multilateralism, the idea that countries can work together to solve shared problems. He’s withdrawn the US from the World Health Organisation and a raft of UN bodies while criticising the UN in its own chambers. Not that the UN should be immune to criticism. In some of its key functions it has failed miserably. But rather than reform it as needed, Trump enjoys merely reviling it.
And he’s once again undercut another US creation, NATO. The headlines this week were about how Trump appeared to have withdrawn support from Russia and thrown it to Ukraine and Europe. The European members of NATO should shoot down Russian military assets that flew into their airspace, he told reporters.
But wait. The critical question was the next one. Would the US deploy its own military assets in joint defence of European NATO members, he was asked. “Depends on circumstances,” he replied. In other words, he declined to support the US’s solemn treaty obligation under Article 5 of NATO to automatic mutual defence. That’s the real story here. Trump doesn’t believe in US alliances.
There was much commentary in Australia this week on the fact that Albanese was at the UN championing policies that are at odds with Trump’s. On climate change, on the recognition of a Palestinian state, on protection of children against the harms of so-called social media. Yet Australia is in the overwhelming majority of nations on the first two and leading a growing international movement on the third.
And it’s only the beginning of the fundamental rift between Australia and the US. What can Australia try to salvage from the relationship?
The Lowy Institute’s Michael Fullilove says that he expects that, despite the differences, “the alliance will survive Donald Trump because it serves both countries’ interests. For the US, Australia is a reliable ally; for Australia, the US is a powerful ally.”
In other words, even if we have no shared values, we still have a shared interest. He makes the point that while only 36 per cent of Australians polled earlier this year trust Trump to act responsibly in the world, eight in 10 think the alliance is important to Australian security.
Albanese told the UN this week: “It is not the Australian way to try and impose our values on other nations. But when we deal with the world, we bring our values with us.”
If Trump challenges any of Australia’s policies or values in front of the cameras during their summit next month, Albanese will be obliged to defend them. That will make him a hero in Australia. The Coalition needs to decide whether it stands for Australian values or whether it’s an accessory to autocracy.
Peter Hartcher is international and political editor.
GuySmiley wrote:From Today's Age in response to @opti's defence of Trump ^^
Aping Trump, or Trumpism, will spell disaster for the Coalition
For months, the Coalition has been demanding that Anthony Albanese meet Donald Trump. Australia was being treated like a “piece of dirt”, according to Liberal Senator Andrew Bragg, and it was Albanese’s fault.
Now that a formal meeting in the White House has been confirmed for October 20, Washington time, the Coalition is hoping fervently that the American president slings mud at the prime minister.
It should have lots to work with if Albanese does his job properly. Not that he’ll seek an argument. But it’s increasingly difficult to avoid.
The two countries’ values have now diverged more than at any time since we became allies. At core, this is not about politics or policy. It’s about values, the values of a showcase democracy – Australia – in stark contrast with those of an emerging authoritarian state – the US.
“There’s never before been any sense that the two countries are going on separate paths on values,” says James Curran, a historian of the alliance and professor of modern history at Sydney University.
“There were policy differences, but they were always patched up. I think this is unique. We are in uncharted territory – at no point since the signing of ANZUS in 1951 has there been such a vast gulf in values between Australia and the US. No amount of honeyed rhetoric can mask that we are still relying on a great power whose current leader is relentlessly attacking the very pillars of the American experiment.”
Australian prime ministers have always celebrated the alliance based on “shared values” that transcend politics and policy difference. But while Australia’s values haven’t changed, the once-shared beliefs “are all under horrific assault by Trump,” says Curran.
Opposition leader Sussan Ley this week rejected Australia’s recognition of Palestinian statehood by telling Karl Stefanovic: “We should always stand up for Australia’s national interest, and that aligns us with our major ally, the US.”
That was Tuesday. By Friday, Trump had announced a 100 per cent tariff on pharmaceutical imports and Ley had issued a statement that the Coalition “strongly opposes the imposition of tariffs on Australia by the US, and we stand ready to help the government in any way”.
She described the pharma tariffs as a “shocking but unsurprising development”. There will be many more. The Liberals need to be careful that they’re not trapped on the wrong side of the next one. Or the one after that, and the many more to follow.
On the same day, in another shocking but unsurprising development, a Trump-appointed district attorney had brought charges against the former director of the FBI, James Comey. As Trump had demanded publicly.
The case against Comey is so feeble that even the previous Trump-appointed district attorney in the same jurisdiction had refused to prosecute him. So Trump removed Erik Siebert last Friday. The new appointment, Lindsey Halligan, had no such scruples. She was a personal lawyer to Trump. She acted immediately in this naked political purge.
This is precisely what an authoritarian consolidation of power looks like. And we are not yet even one-quarter into Trump’s term.
If pursued, Sussan Ley’s Tuesday formula that “Australia’s national interest … aligns us with our major ally” will lead the Liberals to disaster. Or, more accurately, to deeper disaster.
As the Coalition should have learnt at the last election, any identification with Trump is repulsive to the Australian electorate. Peter Dutton merely flirted with a Trumpian association. It mortally wounded the Coalition.
To remind. Dutton had been a little too happy to associate himself with the man he called “a big thinker”. And when Trump aimed his “Liberation Day” tariff cannon at Australia, the effect on voters was immediate. According to former Liberal strategist and now RedBridge consultant Tony Barry, it was “a hammer blow”. He was conducting focus groups at the time. “I don’t think people realise what a massive impact that has had.”
It’s not just that Trump has overturned the values of the Republican Party, though he’s done that pretty comprehensively. A traditional Republican, Peter Wehner, who served in the White House under three Republican presidents – Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush – explains: “A party that formerly proclaimed allegiance to the Constitution and the rule of law, warned about the concentration and abuse of power, and championed virtue, restraint, and moral formation has been transmogrified. The Republican Party now stands for everything it once loathed. The significance of this shift can hardly be overstated.”
Trump has gone much further. He showcased this week that he is not only overturning Republican values, American constitutionalism and democratic norms. The world’s greatest power is at war with the scientific revolution launched by Nicolaus Copernicus in 1543 and the values of the Enlightenment itself.
He told the leaders of some 150 nations to their faces that they’re “stupid” for swallowing the climate “hoax” while advising against childhood vaccinations and Tylenol (the painkiller Australians know as paracetamol) taken by pregnant women on the unfounded claim that they cause autism.
This is not entirely new from Trump but shouldn’t inure us to the fact that he is leading the world’s most powerful state in a rejection of empiricism, evidence and expertise. By promoting crank science and conspiracy theories, he’s championing pre-Copernican obscurantism, in the phrase memorably deployed by Paul Keating three decades ago.
Copernicus gave birth to the scientific revolution by daring to observe that the sun, not the Earth, was at the centre of the solar system. Trump has asserted himself as the centre, the “sun king” around whom all else orbits, Truth Social transcending all other truths.
He fired the general in charge of the Defence Intelligence Agency for delivering an empirical assessment of battle damage in Iran, the national statistician for publishing an inconvenient truth on employment figures, the expert leading the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention for pursuing scientific fact.
Trump is revolting against the Age of Reason. Is this really where the Coalition wants to take us with a blind allegiance to the new US agenda? No responsible leader could follow the US into wild superstition and authoritarian fiat.
But which Australian values does Trump share? Democracy? No. He’s never recognised the 2020 election result, never agreed to accept the 2024 election result unless he were the winner, repeatedly toys with the idea of staying in power beyond his term, and admires dictators and disdains democrats.
What about the once-shared commitment to liberty, another Enlightenment value? No. He’s asked his generals to shoot unarmed protesters, denied basic rights to immigrants suspected of being illegal and even fully legal ones, threatened to cancel TV broadcast licences over political criticism, sued multiple media outlets for astronomical sums to silence unwelcome news.
Trump has broken precedent with all postwar US leaders by undermining American-made instruments of multilateralism, the idea that countries can work together to solve shared problems. He’s withdrawn the US from the World Health Organisation and a raft of UN bodies while criticising the UN in its own chambers. Not that the UN should be immune to criticism. In some of its key functions it has failed miserably. But rather than reform it as needed, Trump enjoys merely reviling it.
And he’s once again undercut another US creation, NATO. The headlines this week were about how Trump appeared to have withdrawn support from Russia and thrown it to Ukraine and Europe. The European members of NATO should shoot down Russian military assets that flew into their airspace, he told reporters.
But wait. The critical question was the next one. Would the US deploy its own military assets in joint defence of European NATO members, he was asked. “Depends on circumstances,” he replied. In other words, he declined to support the US’s solemn treaty obligation under Article 5 of NATO to automatic mutual defence. That’s the real story here. Trump doesn’t believe in US alliances.
There was much commentary in Australia this week on the fact that Albanese was at the UN championing policies that are at odds with Trump’s. On climate change, on the recognition of a Palestinian state, on protection of children against the harms of so-called social media. Yet Australia is in the overwhelming majority of nations on the first two and leading a growing international movement on the third.
And it’s only the beginning of the fundamental rift between Australia and the US. What can Australia try to salvage from the relationship?
The Lowy Institute’s Michael Fullilove says that he expects that, despite the differences, “the alliance will survive Donald Trump because it serves both countries’ interests. For the US, Australia is a reliable ally; for Australia, the US is a powerful ally.”
In other words, even if we have no shared values, we still have a shared interest. He makes the point that while only 36 per cent of Australians polled earlier this year trust Trump to act responsibly in the world, eight in 10 think the alliance is important to Australian security.
Albanese told the UN this week: “It is not the Australian way to try and impose our values on other nations. But when we deal with the world, we bring our values with us.”
If Trump challenges any of Australia’s policies or values in front of the cameras during their summit next month, Albanese will be obliged to defend them. That will make him a hero in Australia. The Coalition needs to decide whether it stands for Australian values or whether it’s an accessory to autocracy.
Peter Hartcher is international and political editor.
Thanks for posting.
Don't always agree with Hatcher, but this seems reasonable.
Optimist wrote:Getting a bit tired of bagging Christian people because they support trump.
I don’t think Christian people really think he’s anything special , but he does support freedom of speech, freedom to choose your own way and freedom to bring up your kids how you want to bring them up without state interference.
Something the dems did not.
Thats the only reason he gets support.
If Australia continues down the road it’s going with state interference in family life, as well as migration that’s unsuitable to our culture, the same support for radical leaders will also end up happening here.
they support him because they're given no alternative
no other viable option
much like about 70% of trump's voters I imagine...
burleigh wrote:southernraw wrote:burleigh wrote:Supafreak wrote:What case am I pleading ? The thread is titled dump on trump if you don’t like it don’t read it . Trump writes his own shit on a daily/ hourly / minute basis . I find the whole sideshow pretty funny and disturbing at the same time . He may be a great man to you but you’re in the minority on that one . Cheer up burls , you can always go surfing . Care to challenge any of the insta snippets burls ?
Surfed twice today + 22km jog this arv. Feel great. Waves were average though.
I haven’t watched your Instagram posts, just find it amusing/sad that you’re obsessed with trump.
Good luck finding your Indo bride. You may have to venture away from Lembongan for this quest.
Sick one. Is that the beach run from Burleigh to Cav ave and back? Used to do that one regularly. Entertaining run!!
Great viewing for sure, but i went into the hills.
phwoar! Gnarly. Good job Burlz.
burleigh wrote:Supafreak wrote:Hahaha , I’m separated from my wife thanks burls and we remain very good friends . I do alright on NL and it’s nice to meet holiday makers with no strings attached . As for being obsessed with Trump , I’m more interested in the insanity that surrounds it all . So called christians supporting a bloke whose questionable morals aren’t questioned just accepted and excused. Some like yourself believe he’s a great man and this is what I find both bizarre & fascinating. I don’t blame you for not looking at the short insta clips as they are both embarrassing and show what happens when a clown takes center stage . Are you not entertained burly ? I would like to read your thoughts on what makes Trump a great man .
No point, what some see as a success you'll see an a failure.
You seem like a decent bloke Supa, i'm not sure why you're letting trump into your world like this.
Been out of the water for 2 months burls , I do my exercises and strengthening routine but have many hours to kill and I find the US political scene and its characters very entertaining, you couldn’t make the shit up that Trump comes up with but his followers just swallow anything he says. I didn’t think you had anything about how great a man Trump is and you have proven me correct, cheers and have fun on ya run . I’m off to mentawai Monday, after 2 months out I can feel a few kook slams coming up .
Shit yeah @supa!! Gonna be epic to get back in the water! Have a great trip to the Ments mate.
“ There are none so blind as those who will not see, and Trump-supporting evangelicals are among the most blind Christians to ever engage in politics” …….,.,Opti what Christian traits do you most admire about Trump ? ……. Before going any further, I want to define delusional as I’m using it in this piece. A person being delusional is “characterized by or holding false beliefs or judgments about external reality that are held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.” It is my contention that many MAGA evangelicals are delusional in that they continue to see Trump in an extremely positive light even though who he is would suggest seeing him in an extremely negative one. https://www.salon.com/2024/03/29/my-challenge-as-a-christian-psychologis... ………Some christians believe that to go against Trump is to go against gods will . I don’t throw all christians into the same swamp opti but you can normally tell by someone’s behaviour and actions , not what they say , as to what type of person they are .
Supafreak wrote:burleigh wrote:Supafreak wrote:Hahaha , I’m separated from my wife thanks burls and we remain very good friends . I do alright on NL and it’s nice to meet holiday makers with no strings attached . As for being obsessed with Trump , I’m more interested in the insanity that surrounds it all . So called christians supporting a bloke whose questionable morals aren’t questioned just accepted and excused. Some like yourself believe he’s a great man and this is what I find both bizarre & fascinating. I don’t blame you for not looking at the short insta clips as they are both embarrassing and show what happens when a clown takes center stage . Are you not entertained burly ? I would like to read your thoughts on what makes Trump a great man .
No point, what some see as a success you'll see an a failure.
You seem like a decent bloke Supa, i'm not sure why you're letting trump into your world like this.
Been out of the water for 2 months burls , I do my exercises and strengthening routine but have many hours to kill and I find the US political scene and its characters very entertaining, you couldn’t make the shit up that Trump comes up with but his followers just swallow anything he says. I didn’t think you had anything about how great a man Trump is and you have proven me correct, cheers and have fun on ya run . I’m off to mentawai Monday, after 2 months out I can feel a few kook slams coming up .
You'll feel terrific after your first surf back!!!
And don't worry about the kook slams: it happens to me every time: even in tiny surf!!!
Enjoy!!!
^^ yeah, 1/2 ya luck @supa :)
That article I posted above really resonated with me because it spoke of values and how the GOP and Trump supporters have seemingly sold their souls out for what? Control and power??
Values ought to non negotiable, they should go to the very core of your guts and for religious groups to support such a transparent narcissistic hollow person such as Trump speaks volumes about their faith and hypocrisy!
Supafreak wrote:I’m off to mentawai Monday, after 2 months out I can feel a few kook slams coming up .
haha, 'kook slams'.. I'll take that to mean running over drop-ins, rather than you kooking, @Supa. @AW told me you fucking rip but are very modest! Have an awesome time getting back into it : )
Yes interesting article GS & thanks for posting as I’m not a subscriber. A lot of today’s christian churches are big on the abundance promotion. Some think this translates to $$$ in ya pocket and greed ( one of the seven deadly sins ) is a big attraction. Thanks to the well wishes on my upcoming surf trip. When AW & I were there in July, the biggest crowd I saw was 30 at one time. Watching some insta clips of recent swells it looked like more than double that and it’s coming into shoulder season with plenty of swell on the horizon so I’m expecting it to be more crowded than usual for the time of year .I’m up early and will have to time my sessions for first thing and lunchtime I think . Evening glass offs will be packed I feel .
Supa, I haven’t seen enough of trump to have seen any noticeable Christian principles…..forgiveness is missing there quite a bit although he has a lot of people around him that once bagged him so I’m probably wrong there.
What I do see in the media isn’t very impressive.
What I have noticed though is that he has a very tight and loving family even from his previous marriage and that is probably the most Christian like thing I’ve seen of him…
Good wife and family ….productive kids who are successful in their own right , now helping the old man….
The guy can’t be all bad……the tree has a bit of fruit on it…..if he kept his mouth shut people may well think he is smart lol.
Optimist wrote:Supa, I haven’t seen enough of trump to have seen any noticeable Christian principles…..forgiveness is missing there quite a bit although he has a lot of people around him that once bagged him so I’m probably wrong there.
What I do see in the media isn’t very impressive.
What I have noticed though is that he has a very tight and loving family even from his previous marriage and that is probably the most Christian like thing I’ve seen of him…
Good wife and family ….productive kids who are successful in their own right , now helping the old man….
The guy can’t be all bad……the tree has a bit of fruit on it…..if he kept his mouth shut people may well think he is smart lol.
Thanks for replying opti , if you have 10 minutes spare have a read of the article I posted written by a christian psychologist. I think the author nails it and this is what I don’t understand about the support from a large group in the US .Churches are very money driven in the US and look at what Charlie Kirk paid himself as CEO of a nonprofit organisation , upwards of $400,000 USD a year , for what ? Saying you’re a christian sure doesn’t mean you have to act like one , but yeah forgiveness is the key and a get out of jail free card for repenting your sins .
Optimist wrote:Supa, I haven’t seen enough of trump to have seen any noticeable Christian principles…..forgiveness is missing there quite a bit although he has a lot of people around him that once bagged him so I’m probably wrong there.
What I do see in the media isn’t very impressive.
What I have noticed though is that he has a very tight and loving family even from his previous marriage and that is probably the most Christian like thing I’ve seen of him…
Good wife and family ….productive kids who are successful in their own right , now helping the old man….
The guy can’t be all bad……the tree has a bit of fruit on it…..if he kept his mouth shut people may well think he is smart lol.
Good family man, was shagging porn star when his wife was pregnant!!
Supa, a good article and very true…..you have to feel for the U.S. churches though.
They have an anti Christ anti free choice Democratic Party or the trump that is in your article.
The dems were literally locking people up and dragging them through court for having a point of view as is now happening in Australia….
…..the church community really didn’t have any choice but back trump so they could feel free again ….i doubt whether they really like him but he’s all they’ve got…
And when you’re stuck with something you try and have hope that they will get better……by some miracle.
….like Australia, it’s a two party system of bad or worse…..depending on your point of view …….
Polar opposites seems to be happening which wouldn’t be so bad if everyone allowed the other to live and let live their own choices….
The greens in Australia are an example of interference in others lives….especially their constant attack on Christian schools etc which are going along really well and growing rapidly…..the greens should respect people’s choices.
As far as getting rich, I’ll cover that in tomorrows all things religion thread.
Just for the record opti , I think the dems were farked with their choice of who would lead them , first killary then Biden. I truly believe things would have been much different if Bernie had been given a shot instead of killary . I don’t know if Biden was really calling the shots, the lights weren’t on let alone anybody home .
He’s been asked by more people to release the Epstein files but that ain’t happening.
sypkan wrote:Optimist wrote:Getting a bit tired of bagging Christian people because they support trump.
I don’t think Christian people really think he’s anything special , but he does support freedom of speech, freedom to choose your own way and freedom to bring up your kids how you want to bring them up without state interference.
Something the dems did not.
Thats the only reason he gets support.
If Australia continues down the road it’s going with state interference in family life, as well as migration that’s unsuitable to our culture, the same support for radical leaders will also end up happening here.they support him because they're given no alternative
no other viable option
much like about 70% of trump's voters I imagine...
They may have voted Trump in because the alternative was abysmal but to keep supporting him with his true colours being regularly on display, beggars disbelief in who and what they supposedly represent as Christians. I reckon Jesus jaw would have hit the ground .
Yeah those Republicans are genuine god fearing upright citizens
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/26/john-gillette-pramila-ja...
I can see why Saint Don appointed her as his spiritual advisor.
. https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/04/all-the-presidents-pastors-who... ?si=rj4GMVG88ik4N2_f
I can’t wait for Opti’s bs tomorrow.
seeds wrote:I can’t wait for Opti’s bs tomorrow.
I've set the alarm.
basesix wrote:seeds wrote:I can’t wait for Opti’s bs tomorrow.
I've set the alarm.
Nonchalantly??
Hey @base, tell us all again how we should just get over what's happening in the USA and Trump cos it has nothing to do with us! I'm fascinated by your current over engagement in the topic ;)
Seems your nonchalance was a bit bloody bullshit from the start!
basesix wrote:seeds wrote:I can’t wait for Opti’s bs tomorrow.
I've set the alarm.
I might ask him a question.
But alas, in Opti’s world all questions asked of him are rhetorical.
I've always tried to avoid doing the opti pile on as much as possible.
Seems like an easy target to take out our own dissatisfaction with the world and aim it at one single individual because they represent that view of something that grinds our gears.
The battle isn't opti, and from all i can gather, Opti's seen and been a part of an era that would make your surf nostalgia eyes water. I have alot of respect for that.
Don't agree with most of Opti's religious views, but i'm not going to take all my outrage at religion out on one sole individual that decides to raise his views against a sea of discontent on an internet forum. I think that's just a little lame and kinda goes against the grain of what you're arguing in the first place.
If ever there was a time for compassion and to show you don't need religion to achieve that, isn't this the opportunity.
Wise up.
I like to act nonchalant,
But deep down, I'm chalant as fuck.
Chill out @SR
fuck me, weak as fucking piss, @southern, go to bed.. I spent about 2 hours all-combined writing lengthy things about trump being the end of civilisation when it was starting.. I haven't changed my thinking any more that the pro-trumpers.. fuck carrying on about it on a surf site. I spent about 1 hour writing things about @calhoun being a dick when it was starting.. I haven't changed my thinking any more than the ok-with-calhoun 'nonchalants' as you call them.. fuck carrying on about it when I have a life. You praised @calhoun when he first stopped by, now bile-ing him, and you once praised @Mal Caitness who you recently abruptly slagged. Stop being a fucking dickhead, and stop railing for a fucking fight. We get along, cunt. Jeezus... didn't you ever wonder why your friends didn't want to end up with you at the end of a night? Last one standing is the punching bag, huh?
No chance @a12.
Not here to appease the primary school bully boy club.
Like i said, i 'could' pile on to opti, there's been years of opportunities, but why?
What's it achieve in the grand scheme.
It sure aint gonna change the religious framework that exists around this planet.
And you know my views on religion. I surely have made that clear. And it's not to disrespect an individual like Opti.
But opti, as much as he might provokes crew with his statements, is not the enemy you're looking for.
Would ya's spend as much time writing letters to religous institutions and governments of your discontent as you do hounding Opti on Swellnet.
No.
That's my point, and one person is copping it because of your 'nonchalance' and laziness to really make your point. Lame
Case closed.
what the actual fuck?
basesix wrote:fuck me, weak as fucking piss, @southern, go to bed.. I spent about 2 hours all-combined writing lengthy things about trump being the end of civilisation when it was starting.. I haven't changed my thinking any more that the pro-trumpers.. fuck carrying on about it on a surf site. I spent about 1 hour writing things about @calhoun being a dick when it was starting.. I haven't changed my thinking any more than the ok-with-calhoun 'nonchalants' as you call them.. fuck carrying on about it when I have a life. You praised @calhoun when he fist stopped by, now bile-ing him, and you once praised @Mal Caitness who you recently abruptly slagged. Stop being a fucking dickhead, and stop railing for a fucking fight. We get along, cunt. Jeezus... didn't you ever wonder why your friends didn't want to end up with you at the end of a night? Last one standing is the punching bag, huh?
Yeah i do give people a chance. And if they have a crack at me or my beliefs i speak. Is that a crime? Are you Trump?
Shit man, i remember clearly you told everyone on the Trump forum to stop talking about it cos it didn't matter.
So yeah, that's how i'll read that.
I dunno, there's an old song i heard somewhere by a band called F.O.S.
And that's all i'm getting.
Up for a fight? No. But i don't take backwards steps from insults and provocation, even if it's in this funny little non existent reality called online. I mean what even is this buzzy static shit. Are you even real. Am i? Who knows. But i still won't walk backwards on bullshit.
basesix wrote:what the actual fuck?
uh oh i feel the wrath incoming.
Bullyboys unite!!
haha, well, it's been cataclysmic @southern.
there's some pro-religious posts for @Opti in the morning,
I am always supportive of @Opti while staying true to my beliefs.
I have always reached out to him. Hope you're OK mate.
seems like you have some heavy shit on you liver.
I can't be fucked playing fight club, have my own stuff going on.
Reach out is your perspective.
I wonder if your gestures feel genuine from the other side.
Hard to tell right. I mean it's your perspective and only you know your own reality.
Yeah i'm fine. Bummed Cats lost, but shit, you can only take so much of the sad shit you see played out daily on this fine website without cracking. There is a definite cultish element to it and pile ons really shit me...except John C. He's blowing out surf spots and that's not cool at all and should never be normalised.
Haha u don't want a fight club? Wtf is this, online fight wars.
Get a grip. It's just alot of shit being punched into keyboards.
Goodluck with your own stuff. I'd recommend taking a big step away from the lappy if it's gotten to this stage for you and focus on your family and your own wellbeing. There's much better things to life than a swellnet forum and you know this. All the best.
I don't mind going down on my own swellnet sword, cos i really don't give much of a hoot, lifes pretty sweet, but fuck me, learn something you lot. The constant piling on, group mentality on these forums is the very antithesis of what it means to be a loving beautiful spirit that sees the best in our fellow humans. Once the pile on begins, and you're all one against a sole other, it's really bloody horrible to see. For me. It actually puts me off this websites forums big time. No matter your disagreements. I've been involved in them and learnt. It doesn't feel good to leave that kind of footprint. Can't we all just be a little more kind and less 40year old plus bullheaded cunts?? Where is the change ever going to come from if it doesn't come from our own good selves?? Ripple effect. Go.
Influencer caught sucking Fergie's Toes just to be named on The Epstein Files!
Ya all want that to be true and tbb refuses to rule it out!
Ok! So how close to the truth is that...Mostly they get fed like them Open Mouth Clowns.
Just thought how low ya could go if ya mixed Epstein & Trump Influencers
How are Trump Influencers mean't to milk The Epstein Files...
tbb thought to just tag along until he felt sick...
Well to spoil the plot...
Apologists are meant to accuse the Victims of Lying to excuse those on the List.
Saves ya the time of reading further...don't accuse tbb of not offering a pass out!
Start...
There is actually an Influencer's POD about these White House Dead Epstein Influencers
Oh man is this hard to share...
Sure...there is even an Influencer Transcript menu to go with that!
If you're already here...you're already is fucked up and god won't help if ya press play on the Pod!
Damn you tbb...you bloody dirty bastard!
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1248-emery-songer-117768691/episode/epste...
Influencer Print Media : "The New Republic" Yer likely to need a sick bag here also!
This is like a go between Print Media to intro Rep Influencers!
* MAGA Republicans Lash Out as Trump Delays Release of Epstein Files
https://newrepublic.com/post/192107/maga-republicans-congress-trump-rele...
* MAGA Influencers Spark Civil War Over Epstein Files
https://newrepublic.com/post/192134/maga-influencers-donald-trump-epstei...
* Remember Trump’s Influencers on the Epstein Files? They’re Pissed
https://newrepublic.com/post/197652/trump-binder-influencers-epstein-fil...
Actual Dead Epstein Influencer Headlines Gallery.
* Rightwing influencers indignant over FBI claim that Jeffrey Epstein’s client list doesn’t exist
* Epstein Files were first Given to TikTok Influencers
* MAGA Influencers Brag About Getting 'Epstein Files.'
* Right-wing influencers get binders labeled "The Epstein Files," but downplay revelations
* Balancing act for pro-Trump influencers as Epstein furor spirals
https://newrepublic.com/post/192134/maga-influencers-donald-trump-epstei...
* A right-wing Influencer who was photographed celebrating with a binder of Epstein documents is now ripping into his victims!
Oh well...Where did ya think you'd end up...FFS tbb...never gonna get this 5 minutes back are we!
hahahah, awesome @sr. My son will love this. He's home in a bit. We went to dead kennedys last night (as you'd know from your intimate knowledge of the religion thread).. and made dumplings together today before the footyball gaming - I bowed out of the string quartet at the town hall tonight for personal family reasons, but I'm glad I also got to have some lovely online interactions with some water peers. Nighy night : )
I'll lock horns with someone one on one, but always try to avoid the chattery pile ons that are so prevalent on these forums. That's the point. Not having fair and reasonable debate with someone one on one. It's like kids protecting their sandcastle in the sand pit.
How can you lot not see this????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
That's the bigger question. Goodnight.
(in memory of @teary masseuse)
Happy to die on my swellnet sword. Lets be honest, my surf forecasts suck as do my footy predictions so no great loss.
I hope even if my posts jar everyone and piss them off and create a new pile on, there's something in there that makes you think differently, cos i wouldn't be so passionate about it if it wasn't a bunch of fellow surfers that are locked and loaded into the ocean life and share that good aloha with those that are deeply entrenched in that life too.
I hope it leaves an impact and reflection. There's many on here that need to think about what i've said.
Night x 2 (don't do the maths cunt)
Bitch, whine, whatever...
First edition 5/10...
This term NONE so far...No end of war
...No 51st state(Canada)
....No new Green land
....No Great America
...No resort on the edge of the Mediterranean
...Not one mine opened in Ukraine
...NO new laws passed, just executive dictator orders