NSW voted in MARK LATHAM!!!!!!!!

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Sheepdog started the topic in Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 1:02pm

NSW can no longer crack jokes at Qld for being a backward conservative nutter state - here's a list of what NSW has given us - MARK BLOODY LATHAM Tony Abbott. Barnaby Joyce, John Howard, Sco Mo, McCormack, Alan Jones, Ray hadley, Fred Nile, Ben Fordham, Jim Molan, Craig Kelly, Concetta Fierravanti-Wells........... I'm sure there's more....

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Sheepdog commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 1:04pm

One nation voted into the NSW senate a week after Christchurch.. Not just one nation, but Mark bloody Latham.... Wow.

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Westofthelake commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 1:36pm

Unbelievable.

Rumour has it that his first private member public bill will be "It's ok to be a fuckwit"

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Blowin commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 2:14pm

Do you honestly believe that people concerned with Islam would have their fears alleviated because of Christchurch ?

According to the popular knowledge , the way to deal with Islamic violence is to put your head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge it . The worst thing that you can do is to inflame sentiments in any way . Wouldn’t want to make the hornets angry even though they’re already stinging people as fast as they can.

If a cartoon about their leader is enough to get multiple people killed , what’s going to happen now that a Westerner has dared to strike back ?

I’m surprised Pauline isn’t doubling down on the inciting of fear. She probably knows that she’ll be burnt at the stake if she opens her mouth in the current environment. Will she be silenced after Islam has succeeded in their dream of a mass casualty event in Australia ?

Maybe the LNP should get our armed forces out of the Middle East if we are to try and avoid finding out ? Or are we to continue with the pantomime that people are trying to blow up the MCG and bring down Etihad flights because of what they say on Sunrise ?

Isn’t it amazing that the LNP / ALP have basically avoided censure for being primarily responsible for the situation of the terror threat in Australia ?

Pauline is the ugly scab on the knee of Australia after the duopoly majors thought it’d be a good idea to bomb down the biggest hill in town on a skateboard with loose trucks.

https://theconversation.com/keating-says-howards-iraq-war-commitment-bro...

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factotum commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 2:38pm

"...what’s going to happen now that a Westerner has dared to strike back ?"

Dared?

What a weirdly worded sentence.

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Blowin commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 3:16pm

Yeah you’re right. Poor choice of words.

I meant it in the fashion that he dared step outside of the norm of Australia’s mostly non- violent citizenry . It’s not meant to be congratulatory or admiring in any way.

I’m just disappointed because thankfully Aussies are traditionally so apathetic about politics and tolerant of pretty much any development that a member of our society acting in such an extreme manner has set a precedent. A rubicon has been crossed and It’s likely not a good road ahead of us.

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truebluebasher commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 3:23pm

tbb read about Mark Latham's victory last week before Pauline even knew.
News article reports how he couldn't lose even if he shirtfronted himself!

Here's the pecking order of NSW Bird Man Rally (Upper House to you!)...enjoy!
http://theconversation.com/nsw-election-likely-to-be-close-and-mark-lath...

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Westofthelake commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 4:15pm

I shouldn't be so hard on Mark Latham. I did buy and read his book and well remember his part in facing off with Howard in the Fed election of 2004.

At that time I thought it was great to see someone more youthful at the opposition helm.

He never had a hope and held his own rope as the Murdoch empire closed in around him. (The recent "you'll pay Daley" NSW Lib attack ads reminded me of the Fed Lib "L plater Latham" tv ads back then.)
Howard won, Latham resigned, and the shitshow continues.

It's been a long time between gravy trains, and he has apparently sold his soul to the right to get where he is today.

Maybe he is smarter than I know and not a 'fuckwit' after all? (Its a relative thing)

Maybe he knows he is in a very powerful position as a NSW senator and will actually do 'some good'???

Maybe he just used the One Nation machine to get elected, and despite his personal promises to Pauline, he will more than likely have a public falling out, and become an Independent?

Time will tell.
Again.

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mattlock commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 5:04pm

Mark Latham!!!!!!!! Once a true believer now a true dickhead.

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Sheepdog commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 5:44pm

Blowin wrote - "Isn’t it amazing that the LNP / ALP have basically avoided censure for being primarily responsible for the situation of the terror threat in Australia ?"

Ummmmm Labor OPPOSED the invasion on Iraq in 2003. Everything stemmed from there. So IMO, the coalition is the primary cause.

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old-dog commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 5:54pm

Anyone who called the Libs lining up to meet the queen a conga line of suck-holes
could still have a lot to offer Aust. politics.

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sypkan commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 7:09pm

pretty good analysis of mark latham there westof..

"Anyone who called the Libs lining up to meet the queen a conga line of suck-holes
could still have a lot to offer Aust. politics."

Fucken classic. Hopefully there's some truth to it.

He's gotta be better than any other one nation nut job getting the gig either way. But one nation! Seriously latham?

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indo-dreaming commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 7:44pm

Gee's old Billy doesn't mind spending a bit on travel.

https://imgur.com/jUVO4KB

For further reference and common sense.

General Social issues: Rita Panahi & Lauren Southern
Indigenous issues: Jacinta Price and Anthony Dillion
Gender: Debra Soh.
Islam: Armin Navabi & Brigitte Gabriel
Population: Dick Smith

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stunet commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 8:12pm

It's a bollocks chart. Designed to give the wrong impression.

First two columns are supposed to be added together, it's the total for 'the PM's Office', as opposed to one total for Abbott and one for Mal.

Bill still comes out ahead but the difference ain't nearly as much - except for business class flights, thta's out there. Rest is in line.

In fact, it's cheaper than both Abbott as PM in 2014/15 and Turnbull as PM in 2016/17.

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zenagain commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 8:28pm

Got the oppositions figures for the same period?

Either way, it's an obscene amount of money.

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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stunet commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 8:41pm

Yeah I don't know, travel is a big part of the job and as long as it's legitimately entitled then it's hard to complain. Much more concerned about things like the pre-2004 pension that sees politicians paid pensions amounting to more than they'd earn on the job (while also, presumedly, assuming board positions for mining and oil companies).

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zenagain commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 8:45pm

And that therein lies the problem.

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blindboy commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 9:24pm

Cherry picking data rarely reveals anything beyond the prejudices of those doing it.

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Sheepdog commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 9:34pm

2018/19 year hasn't ended.
Smells like bullshit to me

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Westofthelake commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 9:40pm

Yea that pic indo looked like something out of the Daily Terrorgraph.

Nevertheless the pollies as a whole do resource themselves generously. There's some b i g numbers in the link below.

Espicially this guy Anning.

"Senator Anning's staff travel for between six and nine employees was the most for an MP who did not hold ministerial or shadow ministerial role. Between July and September, he charged taxpayers almost $30,000 a month for his seven staff to travel the country."

Seven staff?! Wtf do they do all day, plan his travel arrangements to right wing rallies?

https://amp.smh.com.au/national/fraser-anning-spent-most-taxpayers-money...

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Sheepdog commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 9:44pm

use the tool top left to check different claims

https://d3bo5ucoqkgs8h.cloudfront.net/RyWWF/1/?abcnewsembedheight=420

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mattlock commented Sunday, 24 Mar 2019 at 10:12pm

Annings staff are most probably his Nazi goons/minders on the lookout for egg wielding yoof.

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Westofthelake commented Monday, 25 Mar 2019 at 9:43pm

Looks like Latham is deffo a dickhead.

Imagine suggesting aboriginals prove their aboriginaluty via dna in order to continue receiving social welfare.

Talk about dumb racist ignorance to solve a problem which the government acknowledges does not exist.

And , "You'll pay Daley" quickly morphed into I resign daily.

Just another day in the circus.

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sypkan commented Monday, 25 Mar 2019 at 10:27pm

Yeh I just saw that, looks like he's gone full fuckwit.

I didn't think he'd last anyway, he just seems too agitated, constantly

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Lottolonglong commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 1:32am

I'm sure u got butthurt with democracy sheepdog!!!

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indo-dreaming commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 8:20am

Okay sorry i got sucked in by that one damn social media, i actually normally fact check these things too, but was lazy, the post claimed it appeared in an Australian article. (and got sucked in by that line)

But i cant find anything online.

It's actually amazing how many people you see on social media sharing fake shit like this without fact checking things in anyway, normally quite easy to do as come up busted in snopes etc. (obviously not Aussie politics though)

For further reference and common sense.

General Social issues: Rita Panahi & Lauren Southern
Indigenous issues: Jacinta Price and Anthony Dillion
Gender: Debra Soh.
Islam: Armin Navabi & Brigitte Gabriel
Population: Dick Smith

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indo-dreaming commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 8:25am

Speaking of democracy, Brexit thing, i cant believe there is actually serious talk of a voting again??

That shit makes no sense, goes against the whole idea of democracy...keep wanting a re-vote until they get the result they want.

For further reference and common sense.

General Social issues: Rita Panahi & Lauren Southern
Indigenous issues: Jacinta Price and Anthony Dillion
Gender: Debra Soh.
Islam: Armin Navabi & Brigitte Gabriel
Population: Dick Smith

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stunet commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 9:14am

@ID,

The original graph was in The Australian, which should immediately get your antennae twitching if it's anything political. The Oz is just a broadsheet version of the Terrorgraph. Same bias, bigger words.

Can occasionally have great analysis but the daily fare is tripe.

Anyway, how's old Pauline railing against foreign donations, eh?

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 9:18am

Nothing even remotely racist about DNA testing for ancestry.

If you want to accept hard earned tax payers money based on nothing except for your race , then it’s not too onerous to establish that such a claim exists. No one is demanding removing welfare for Indigenous. The only people that will not be receiving indigenous welfare are those that aren’t indigenous.

If you are less than 25 percent indigenous you don’t get indigenous welfare. Exactly how is that racist ?

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 9:21am

Indo - If there’s one beautiful result from the Meuller report it’s the definitive conclusion that virtually no MSM is to be trusted.

No different from social media except for the expense and convoluted gentrification of their bias and lies.

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Westofthelake commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 9:23am

Geez blowin, lets just dna test white people then before they can claim to be white, and therefore their social security benefits.

Why single out a race in the first place?

Dumb as fuck.

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stunet commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 9:31am

@ Blowin

DNA testing for Aboriginality is only matrilineal. Even if your father is full blood it wont show up.

Latham's suggestion was a cynical soundbite.

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stunet commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 9:37am

Except where it's the only recourse (various cancers etc), DNA testing should be vehemently resisted. Especially so when the government is involved. If your genome is mapped and has questionable form then you can say goodbye to health insurance and life insurance - as can all your descendants.

Treat anyone who suggests it with great suspicion.

EDIT: And don't let anyone in your family do those 'fun' online versions.

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Westofthelake commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 9:45am

I didn't know that Stu, so thanks for the extra info.

So not only was the soundbite racist, it was was impractical as well.

I guess we have come to expect nothing less from a member of One Nation.

'Óne Nation' - As long as you're born in Australia and are white.

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I focus commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 9:50am

I recon Blowin got a bit of Arab in him...........cant say that can I .............how about I recon Blowin got to much monkey in...........nah not that either, sigh.

To take off making comments based on anything Latham says FFS Blowin you're better than that the bloke is a fu(king dog with fleas.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 10:09am

Didn’t know that Stu. Also agree with the concept of not giving your DNA to anyone. I don’t even put photos of my face on the Internet for reasons along the same lines. I’m just throwing a cat amongst the pidgeons of the identity politics crowd. Somehow the separation of races in our society doesn’t seem to contradict the fact that the worst thing we can do in society is to seperate people by race.

Westof - If someone is singling themselves out due to race , how is it racist to discuss , refer to or question their race ?

If white people were eligible for money based on race can you even imagine the outcry ? Race is not meant to be relevant to anything .....until it is. Nothing racist about establishing someone’s credentials if they are expecting every one else in a modern society to pay them cash based on nothing else but that claim.

It’s not me singling out race in the first place. Do you understand this ?

But....I still support welfare based on indigenous heritage alone. I don’t think this should be a perpetuity though. Sooner or later the fact that we are one nation undivided by race needs to be recognised .

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stunet commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 10:18am

“They have spent the last 20 years hopping into the unemployed, Aboriginal communities, newly arrived migrants and anyone else at the bottom of the social ladder, and now they want civility. This is the height of hypocrisy."

Mark Latham speaking against the Howard government, 26 August 2002

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Westofthelake commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 10:23am

All good blowin I understand your point.

"Sooner or later the fact that we are one nation undivided by race needs to be recognised ."

Couldn't agree more.

I do see ignorance in the actions and policy of 'One Nation' as a political party because it blatantly contradicts the spirit of their name.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 10:37am

He’s a politician, Stu .

What is he going to do if he can’t lie , obfuscate and rescind his few morals in order to pay the bills ?

What else is he qualified for if you scrub corruption and deception from his resume ? He needs reelection....it’s welfare for politicians.

Penny Wong voted against same sex marriage FFS.

The political class are a insight into the future when we are all engaged in a game of musical chairs for the few jobs remaining which have not been replaced by automation. Jobs allocated purely on personality , social standing and cronyism as skills are no longer required.

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zenagain commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 12:01pm

I was having a similar conversation with a mate who had just completed a Masters at Sydney Uni. His thesis was based on providing a mix of affordable housing available (read legislated) to essential service providers close to business hubs similar to the model in the UK, US and some Scandinavian countries. Basically, people on a modest income who've been priced out of living where they are needed. Hardly a new concept I know.

Anyway, the conversation moved forward to productivity and i put it to him that diversity policies as opposed to merit based, will, in the long term affect productivity and lead to a decline in economic growth. He said that Australia probably wasn't quite ready for that conversation yet and it would be brave person to submit a dissertation based on that. But, "Sooner or later the fact that we are one nation undivided by race needs to be recognised" from a purely economic standpoint, filling quotas for jobs based on race, colour, whether you have a vj or don't, or choose not to identify with any of the above, instead of actually being able to competently do the job, will have a negative impact on economic growth.

I know, a little off topic but it must be grating to see people less skilled or qualified rise higher and faster purely based on these policies in our so called more enlightened times.

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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chook commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 1:11pm

a more diverse work force will lead to higher productivity. to claim otherwise is to hold that women and non-whites are inferior workers, just because they are women or non-white.

oh wait, that is what you are saying -- those "diverse" peoples women and non-whites -- are inferior.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 1:26pm

On the contrary , are you saying that women and non- whites are superior thus leading to higher productivity ?

Why wouldn’t productivity remain constant per unit of labour ? Is productivity higher in non- white societies or female only workplaces ?

It seems that GDP (PPP) is more culturally aligned than it is due to skin colour or proportional genital representation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_hour_worked

But that is an admittedly generous reading of the national rankings.

Links not working . List of countries GDP (PPP ) per hour worked - Wiki

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blindboy commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 1:26pm

Diversity improves productivity because there is less group think. Different cultures have different strengths bringing them together generates more creativity from the factory floor to the floor of Parliament.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 1:32pm

Evidence please.

Group think arises regardless. People organise themselves in whatever grouping is appropriate. If not skin colour then other groupings arise.

Diversity can often lead to the promotion or job opportunity without merit due to allegiance to one’s country or cultural connections.

That kind of evidence free assertion is what’s propelled Australia’s relentless adherence towards indiscriminate diversity as our productivity has gone backwards , BB.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 1:33pm

I’d be interested in hearing your list of each culture’s strength and weakness , BB.

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zenagain commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 1:35pm

totally agree, but I'm referring to diversity for the sake of diversity purely from a productivity standpoint.

Whether the person is black, white, gay, trans, male, female or any other of a myriad of self-identifiers these days, if they're not right for the job, long term, productivity will decline.

Watashi wa metabo oyagi desu.

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I focus commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 1:50pm

Back to the DNA thing my relatives have indigenous DNA (maternal as Stu said) they galloped off thinking here we go gravy train benefits for the rest of our lives.

After chasing it up they were shocked that there is really FFA benefits.

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blindboy commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 1:56pm

Google it yourself Blowin. There are hundreds of research papers that all come to similar conclusions.

Not sure that what you describe happens to any significant degree zen but the reverse absolutely does ....... huge amount of research shows that people from minorities are discriminated against in employment. So when a less capable person does get the job, they will usually be from the dominant cultural group.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 1:58pm

Dominant cultural groups can arise within industries which are different to the dominant cultural group of the broader community. Don’t think that cronyism and nepotism is going to disappear because white Australians aren’t the dominant in the working classes.

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 2:16pm

"I’d be interested in hearing your list of each culture’s strength and weakness"

Hahaha...

Blowin, I've heard a few people say that the reason Australia is so shit is because it's run by white people.

I ask them if they've ever been to Africa or Scandinavia.

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blindboy commented Tuesday, 26 Mar 2019 at 2:29pm

OK let's take a couple of examples

Western - No bullshit
Asian- Group harmony

When both values are expressed in a meeting it creates a choice which is not likely to be available in a monoculture. In some circumstances it might be a wise business decision not to tell a company you are dealing with that their latest product is shit. In other circumstances it may be critical to be blunt about its quality.

Indigenous - Respect for traditional environmental management
Western - Research based knowledge

In Australia the contribution of indigenous people to land management has been very significant and in advance of research but this has also been supported by research. Lose one and things become less effective.

Cultural weaknesses usually occur when they rely too much on their strengths. In some Asian cultures loyalty to the employer becomes counter-productive because staff stay at work even when there is nothing to do and avoid taking holidays. Stress and fatigue then lead to lower performance.

In western culture the profit motive drives valuable innovation but taken too far leads to shoddy products, over-pricing and outright fraud.