Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap

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blindboy started the topic in Monday, 24 Jul 2017 at 7:39pm

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blindboy commented Monday, 24 Jul 2017 at 7:39pm

Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap

It is hard to imagine, given their long standing personal antipathy and broad philosophical differences, that Abbott and Turnbull could agree on anything more complex than the time of day. Throw Turnbull's lack of commitment to anything other than his own career into the mix with Abbott's blockheaded belief in the narrowest possible interpretation of Catholic doctrine, and agreement even on that becomes doubtful.

So when on the weekend, at an extraordinary convention of NSW Liberal members, Turnbull supported Abbott's Warringah motion, the needle on the dirty deeds spectrometer lurched sharply to the right. For those who try to avoid the thoughts of Chairman Tony, the Warringah motion was to change the candidate selection process to a plebiscite by members. This remember, is the same divinely guided reactionary whose democratic instincts have helped hold back same sex marriage, despite its over-whelming acceptance in the electorate. His motivation then was likely to be anything but democratic.

It helps at this point, to understand the narcissism of small differences. This is the psychological observation that people with small differences are often more hateful to each other than to those with greater differences. Turnbull and Abbott, after all, are extremely similar. Both possess such an intense narcissistic desire for power that nothing less than being Prime Minister can come close to satisfying it. Make no mistake, in different circumstances these are the kind of people who would have led military coups, committed regicide, slept their way to the top or sold their souls to the devil. The small difference? One is a ruthless pragmatist, the other a ruthless ideologue.

In this context anything they agree on must somehow, despite the apparent contradiction, move them both closer to their goals. For Turnbull that goal is to hang on to the Prime Ministership as long as possible. For Abbott it is to get the job again. The analysis then is that the deal is a trade-off. Tony gets his motion. Turnbull gets a promise, of doubtful value, for Abbott not to challenge. This is desperation stuff from Turnbull. Nothing will stop Abbott challenging if he thinks he can win. To reduce that possibility ever so slightly, Turnbull has delivered the NSW Liberals to the religious right.

Remember, Abbott's hero is that Lazarus in bifocals, John Howard. Like Howard, Abbott intends to rise from his premature death and achieve long-standing power. With the Warringah motion in place there will be a Liberal membership drive in every church. A critical mass of zealots in every electorate will guarantee the pre-selection of those committed to the most reactionary form of conservatism, and a party molded by Abbott's narrow vision. To see where that ends we need look no further than the United States and the Republican Party. Ideologues and zealots do not think rationally about issues. They do what they are told, by God or his representative on Earth, Pope Tony.

Laurie McGinness

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talkingturkey commented Tuesday, 25 Jul 2017 at 2:51pm

It's been said a fair few times previously but seeing as Tones was an acolyte of Bob Santamaria - the bloke who split the Labor party back in the 50s and pretty much kept them out of office for decades - can he, will he do the same to the Libs now??

Delicious. Tremendous. Innovative!

Go, Tones, go!

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 25 Jul 2017 at 3:54pm

Poor Turkey.

Labouring away at the keyboard , ignorant of the fact that in a Venn diagram depiction of the intersection of people with a high intelligence and those with a deep interest in politics , the overlap is only a tiny portion of either circle.

And he's not in it.

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talkingturkey commented Tuesday, 25 Jul 2017 at 3:58pm

Says the Hanson voter.

I told ya Leyonhjelm was more up your alley.

What with the Adler romance and all.

"Do I trust myself with a gun ? Probably not."

R U OK?

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Shatner'sBassoon commented Tuesday, 25 Jul 2017 at 4:24pm

High IQ* and Hanson's One Notion voter.

Now that's a Venn Diagram.

That doesn't exist.

(*actual 'real world' IQ, not self-proclaimed...on here)

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 25 Jul 2017 at 5:10pm

Shatner - You realise the avatar was only meant to be indicative of your identity don't you ? A general guide .

You didn't have to post up a selfie .

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Shatner'sBassoon commented Tuesday, 25 Jul 2017 at 6:36pm

Avatar! Wow, that's a funky, techie word for an IT-illiterate like you, Blowie. Maybe Turkey can help you post one up...like when you begged him to show you how to embed a video?

Of Kurt Cobain??

As for mine, you've seen Facebook, yeah? I know this here Swellnet is your social media family - you told us! - but you do know something about it, yeah?

Smart-arse = Dumb-cunt. Flip of the coin.

Come in spinner.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 25 Jul 2017 at 6:09pm

I saw the movie.

The good guys had blue skin !

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Sheepdog commented Tuesday, 25 Jul 2017 at 6:27pm
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talkingturkey commented Tuesday, 25 Jul 2017 at 6:33pm

Now let's see if this fuck-stick fucks off or does an 'Abetz'?

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/eric-abetz-th...

Any bets?

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GuySmiley commented Tuesday, 25 Jul 2017 at 8:14pm

Back to the Abbott/Turnbull twist ....

What Abbott wants is already in place in Victoria. Come preselection time the media always reports how the various factions in the Liberal Party (yes they do exist) attempt branch stacking to get their man up (no sexism intended women aren't generally preselected in the Liberal Party). Recent preselections where branch stacking allegations were thrown about saw ex IPA hacks James Paterson and Tim Wilson get up. The preselection of Josh Frydenberg was also in this category.

Giving the membership more say in preselections is a good thing (Abbott's motion) but if NSW turns out like Victoria it will just lead to a different type of fractional warfare i.e. branch stacking.

Related is a story circulating about a move to put up an alternative Liberal Party candidate in Abbott's electorate at the next election thereby forcing Abbott out of parliament (losing preselection**). So Abbott has skin in the game after all!

** If my memory serves me correctly Howard arranged this type of political hatchet job in his "broad church" while PM to get rid of troublesome progressive Liberal parliamentarians.

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blindboy commented Tuesday, 25 Jul 2017 at 8:12pm

Dirty deeds indeed turkey!

Laurie McGinness

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Fishlegs commented Tuesday, 25 Jul 2017 at 8:14pm

A Venn diagram (also called primary diagram, set diagram or logic diagram) is a diagram that shows all possible logical relations between a finite collection of different sets. These diagrams depict elements as points in the plane, and sets as regions inside closed curves. A Venn diagram consists of multiple overlapping closed curves, usually circles, each representing a set. The points inside a curve labelled S represent elements of the set S, while points outside the boundary represent elements not in the set S. Thus, for example, the set of all elements that are members of both sets S and T, S ∩ T, is represented visually by the area of overlap of the regions S and T. In Venn diagrams the curves are overlapped in every possible way, showing all possible relations between the sets. They are thus a special case of Euler diagrams, which do not necessarily show all relations. Venn diagrams were conceived around 1880 by John Venn. They are used to teach elementary set theory, as well as illustrate simple set relationships in probability, logic, statistics, linguistics and computer science.

Good to see you fellas still banging out semantics! TT, B, SB, SD & BB after all these years.

Abbott is upgrading his strength through Tea Party methodology and Trumps use of "Fake Media". The little fella won't go away. Oh well, the Northern Beaches want him and love him, and let's face it kid's that's where the money is! Unless you drive across the bridge to the Eastern suburbs. The land of Trunball (sorry Turnball, I'll never be a media rep for the White House, RIP Spicer). So it seems it's a clash between the Nth Beaches and the Sth beaches, on who is the big dog. To be honest I don't think they could care to give two bob's worth on what we think while there engaged in this pissing competition.
Back to the Venn Diagram, I'm more closely related to an Emu than a Mosquito. A mosquito has legs, It can fly. An Emu has legs too, but CAN'T fly.

It's Ok, Wave will come...........

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GuySmiley commented Tuesday, 25 Jul 2017 at 8:31pm

nice

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Sheepdog commented Monday, 14 Aug 2017 at 5:17pm

In Kiwi - "deeertee dids dinn derrt chip".... Onya, Barney Joyce..

If you have a parent that was born overseas, how hard is it to simply check you are not a dual citizen? NOT HARD AT ALL!!
Everyday Australians have to double, no, triple check their tax, risk huge fine for not filling in the census, if a pensioner doesn't declare a pokies win to c/link, she can go to jail, if an unemployed young person misses an interview, they can be thrown off welfare... "Pleading ignorance is no excuse", the pollies say....

Yet these clowns dodge and weave and plead ignorance, and take it to the high court at huge expense to the tax payer.... And they wonder why we despise them.
At least the 2 green senators who stood down showed some dignity.

Sheepdog

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talkingturkey commented Monday, 14 Aug 2017 at 5:24pm

Barnyard. From "caaaaaarp" to "baaaaaaaaa"?

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Gaz1799 commented Monday, 14 Aug 2017 at 5:39pm

Barnaby's golden gravy train would be on the line here too

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talkingturkey commented Monday, 14 Aug 2017 at 6:19pm

"Look carefully at Brandis' comment that previous cases show there has to be “conscious acknowledgement of an obedience or adherence” to another country. First, I doubt if Brandis, as a lawyer, believes that himself; and two, this is the Roberts argument restated. I'm not a betting man, but I'd lay a wager the High Court will read S.44 as an absolute provision, not conditional. In other words, you either are a citizen of another country or you are not - you can't be half pregnant."

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talkingturkey commented Monday, 14 Aug 2017 at 6:19pm

LNP: Our defence, Your Honour, is that Barnaby Joyce is hardly ever conscious.

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Sheepdog commented Monday, 14 Aug 2017 at 7:58pm

As I said, turk, if you have an overseas parent/s, it aint that hard to double check... Now old barn yard must be a pretty average accountant..
Ignorance is not a defence.

Sheepdog

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Gaz1799 commented Tuesday, 15 Aug 2017 at 10:18am

Brandis: When it comes to S.44, it's just the vibe of the thing..

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GuySmiley commented Tuesday, 15 Aug 2017 at 1:32pm

Contrast Brandis approach to S44 and 18c ....