Trump and the risk of war

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blindboy started the topic in Monday, 16 Jan 2017 at 5:13pm

Part One.

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yocal Wednesday, 8 Aug 2018 at 10:16am

Quint, if God is the representation of "order" and Satan is "Chaos", would you say that you are working toward order, or further adding to the creation of chaos?

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Quint Monday, 13 Aug 2018 at 8:44am

"Thinking is too difficult so most people judge" Carl Jung.

http://www.beforeus.com/aoc.html

https://worldmercuryproject.org/

Daniel 12:4

“But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.”

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sypkan Monday, 13 Aug 2018 at 7:41am

I like quint's posts, not that I agree with them, or even read his links (most are tl:dr) but I find it most interesting seeing how different people think, especially in this whacky internet age. But yes, that's a good question from yocal....

Where I do agree with quint, is some of these ridiculous attempts by democrats to control the narrative. Whilst this is straight out of their play book, and has been for decades, in this internet age, it is just dumb at best, as they desperately try to play catch up to a world that has left them behind. Their gross (over) reaction to trump is living proof that their echo chamber is well out of the loop to a world that has moved on.

I think it is difficult for them to regain relevance as they are guided by a dated, and somewhat stubborn, ideology of liberalism across the board. Which still has many merits in some regards, but in terms of controlling the internet, it is the exact opposite of so called 'liberalism' and associated free speech that they are pushing.

The internet is a dark and dirty place,with much to make one uncomfortable, but if the democrats really had everyones's best interests in mind - rather than a desperate power play - there is so much other internet content they would focus on, rather than banning the likes of those quite humurous black chicks diamond and silk. Dangerous? hardly. Opposable? possibly. Ban-able? FFS come on.... People like alex jones may be a little dangerous in his views, but he is so whacky most people hardly take him seriously. However banning such things just legitimises his claims, and to be frank, continues this mundane decades long over control of narrative.

I think feminists have some fair points regarding the misogyny and dangerousness of some of these internet pick up sites and the 'red pill' communities. However I believe it is naive to focus on them whilst the porn industry runs wild on some pretty bizarre tangents that actually are pretty dangerous. Especially when they're easily available to any kid with access to a smart phone, even those in a third world village, with an associated third world village education level to decipher such information.

But most democrats won't talk of such things because it goes against their (possibly dated) sexual liberation ideals that influence their ideology. And, for anyone, of any political view, to raise such concerns draws the criticism of being conservative or prudish, and, well, sadly, just not being very cool and antiquated in one's views.

To keep a free and open internet is an ideological position to be defended to the death by zealots from factions of both sides of politics. And, on the surface, it is a probably a decent position to take, because the opposite is a very slippery slope to go down, no matter which side calls the shots.

But, as a peruser of porn, and all things twisted on the internet (who isn't?), I believe if the democrats are really concerned about misogyny and the like, rather than ultimate power, these are the conversations they'd be having rather than banning any opinions they do not agree with. Because frankly, there's no justification for twelve year old boys having access to videos of a harem of beauties getting roughed up in a sexual act. Adults on the other hand....well that's up for debate....

If you want to talk about internet control and censorship, then raise shit that metters, because everything raised by democrats so far in the trump fall out can only be described as pathetic, desperate, and partisan

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peterb Sunday, 12 Aug 2018 at 2:46pm

Turkey: Trump's gift to Putin.

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blindboy Sunday, 12 Aug 2018 at 6:31pm

Policy vs Polity

When policy defeats polity, shit happens. This is the situation in which a government subverts the established patterns of governance in order to achieve particular policy outcomes which would be prevented by following existing norms. This is how a democracy degenerates into an autocracy or some other form of totalitarian rule. Examples of this are so widespread, past and present, that it is entirely reasonable to fear its occurrence in what historically appear to be robust democracies, such as the United States ...... and Australia.

In the US the Republican Party is well on its way down this path. It has allowed its duly elected President to persist in the belief that he is above justice and can avoid the consequences of his indisputable attempts to pervert the course of justice and his highly likely collusion in Russian attempts to influence the last Presidential election in his favour. For them, Trump's ability to put in place the right wing policies they desire has become more important than maintaining their system of government.

They have permitted him to stack the Supreme Court so that it is highly likely it will over turn any findings against him, while their unholy alliance with Fox News has made sure that, as long as they do Rupert's bidding in areas influencing his business, the "news" will be made up of equal quantities of lies, bullshit and conspiracy theories laced with virulent attacks on any group not conforming to white male hetero stereotypes.

It may not be too late. But it probably is. Corporate America may have already decided that to compete with authoritarian, single party China, they need to go down the same path. And here in Australia, we sleep walk along right behind our great ally.

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sypkan Sunday, 12 Aug 2018 at 6:55pm

Or...

The once unthinkable: Trump's gift to politics

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/trump-made-socialis...

Not necessarily socialism, but as the article suggests, something, anything, other than the corruption of process status quo that's become unbearable.

Excrutiatingly unbearable.

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rooftop Tuesday, 14 Aug 2018 at 1:17am

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2018/08/16/hail-to-the-chief/

Possibly the best summation of the current state of affairs I've read yet.

"Trump has obstructed justice right in front of our noses, and more than once, either because he doesn’t know what obstruction of justice is or because he knows and doesn’t care."

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"No one had come along to suggest that power should be unlimited. But now someone has, and we have learned something very interesting, and alarming, about these “conservatives,” both the rank and file and holders of high office: their overwhelming commitment is not to democratic allocation of power, but to their ideological goals—the annihilation of liberalism, the restoration of a white ethno-nationalist hegemony. "

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"It has often been written, and I’ve written it myself, that the Republicans have been weak in the face of Trumpism. But I’ve come to think that’s wrong. They’re not weak at all. Most of them are perfectly happy to have become Trump’s vassals. They were waiting for just such a man."

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blindboy Tuesday, 14 Aug 2018 at 4:34pm

Pretty good rooftop. Try this for a longer term more nuanced view.
https://www.lrb.co.uk/2018/08/09/david-bromwich/american-breakdown

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AndyM Tuesday, 14 Aug 2018 at 5:54pm

Noam Chomsky: Donald Trump is a distraction, a conman, a showman

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rooftop Wednesday, 15 Aug 2018 at 12:37am

Yeah, BB. It's everything you said. Good find.

Seriously though, I'm so sick of the man. I'm sick of him in my life, in my head. Everywhere I look this fool is gobbling up headspace like some kind of virus, filling the world with an orange haze of impotent despair. I mean, look at us. Isn't this a surfing website?

He doesn't deserve our attention. I wish I had the luxury of being able to ignore him. And given what I contribute to the fight against him (nothing), I probably should. But, if nothing else, he makes one re-examine one's assumptions about power, democracy, the media, human nature and so on. Oh, you think that's how the world works, do you? Well, let's throw a Trump in the mix and see what happens to your expectations.

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blindboy Wednesday, 15 Aug 2018 at 10:50am

It's the curse of living in interesting times rooftop. The historians will love it in a hundred years!

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I focus Wednesday, 15 Aug 2018 at 4:43pm

The real problem about Trump isn't really Trump hopefully.

It's what could come next if they elect some fool who doubles down.

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peterb Thursday, 16 Aug 2018 at 10:02pm

"The superior man understands what is right;
the inferior man understands what will sell."

Confucius ... 551 BC

Lesson to be learnt: never trust a real estate agent.

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blindboy Friday, 17 Aug 2018 at 8:28pm

Yeh I am beginning to think he is largely irrelevant in terms of policy. He is a sideshow and has reached an unspoken agreement with mainstream Republicans. He can be the “star” and make the headlines while they get on with imposing stock standard Republican policies. Classic narcissism ...... look at me, look at me ..... and that’s all that matters!

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peterb Friday, 17 Aug 2018 at 8:56pm

Ask yourself: are you really enjoying seeing Trump accelerate America into a wall of debt, or are you betting China will get there first?

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blindboy Friday, 17 Aug 2018 at 9:26pm

Well Peter it is the time of year when traditionally the shit hits the fan, but what tomorrow which shit or which fan, who's to know. If it happens we all get splattered anyway.

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blindboy Wednesday, 22 Aug 2018 at 6:33pm

The stakes have just increased dramatically. If the Republicans, and their base, continue to support Trump, the rule of law in the US will have been so deeply undermined as to make it virtually indistinguishable from Putin's Russia. Money and power buy immunity.
https://www.newyorker.com/news-desk/swamp-chronicles/the-president-has-b...

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spuddyjack Wednesday, 22 Aug 2018 at 7:47pm

Risible that Trump still speaks of clearing out the swamp, when he and his nefarious contemporaries are the swamp - a movable feast of collective corruption and perfidy.

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blindboy Wednesday, 22 Aug 2018 at 8:05pm
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spuddyjack Wednesday, 22 Aug 2018 at 8:21pm

The Atlantic article is a fine summary of the situation Blindboy - thanks for the link. Reminds one of the Orwellian notion of all being equal but some "more equal" than others. These bastards and their ilk have for too long screwed their fellow citizens with impunity and contempt. Hopefully there will be more convictions and eventual impeachment for the White House polluting morally bankrupt reprobate who still believes he is above the law.

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Quint Tuesday, 28 Aug 2018 at 7:35am

Worth a quick look..believe nothing o'course.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=105907

Almost finished archaeologist Jonathan Gray's incredible book "Ark of the Covenant" its worth a read. Blessed is he that readeth.

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Quint Tuesday, 28 Aug 2018 at 6:29am

"On this front, the removal last week of Goldman Sachs Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull of Australia may lead to 3/11 truth coming out, according to two Australian Secret Intelligence Service agents who were involved with Fukushima."

https://benjaminfulford.net/2018/08/27/u-s-civil-war-stalemate-to-end-so...

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Quint Tuesday, 28 Aug 2018 at 7:34am

And one for your health in these times of war stress..

https://wakeup-world.com/

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Quint Friday, 31 Aug 2018 at 6:55am

QUINT DID NOT WRITE THIS ARTICLE SO GET TRIGGERED ELSEWHERE.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=106386

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blindboy Thursday, 15 Nov 2018 at 6:53pm

Aah facto the military-industrial complex 70 years old and stronger than ever.

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blindboy Monday, 6 May 2019 at 1:18pm

Getting ready for the great distraction as the pressure from the Mueller Report and the Democrats ramps up.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/06/us-deploys-aircraft-carrie...

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Ash Monday, 6 May 2019 at 1:51pm

So right there BB, the guy is all bluff and BS

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Blowin Monday, 6 May 2019 at 2:08pm

You mean the two year long , boundless investigation which came up with NOTHING ?

BB .....a smarter version of yourself would have been embarrassed by now. But you keep on pluggin’ tiger !

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chook Monday, 6 May 2019 at 3:10pm

Nothing, Blowin?

34 people from trump's team were indicted for violating US federal laws. Prison terms of up to 7.5 years have been handed down, so far.

The report also found that Russia interfered in the 2016 election in an attempt to sway the election,.
It found that Russians bought US$100,000 Facebook ads and bombarded Twitter accounts that boosted Trump and disparaged the Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton.
The report also found that Russia engaged in cyber espionage, stealing emails and disseminating them to embarrass Democrats.

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blindboy Monday, 6 May 2019 at 3:16pm

" I have never known someone who needed to talk so much
Or even fool himself disguising a guess
I just steered his bullshit through its next diversion
Never bothering with reality checks"

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Blowin Monday, 6 May 2019 at 3:51pm

Chook - Not a single shred of evidence of Russian collusion.

Not even a tiny skerrick.

Trump didn’t collude with Russia.

Full stop.

The end.

The rest of the stuff you mentioned is irrelevant . What the Russian government gets up to has nothing to with Trump. How is it his fault if they buy Facebook advertising ? Did you ever think that Russia believed in “ Anyone but Hillary “ because she was such a blood thirsty cunt* that they knew she would have had us in a global war by now ?

* I’m giving that call the gravity it deserves. She is EVIL.

The conspiracy to remove Trump is the story of the decade. Disgraceful stuff. The truely anti democratic collusion was undertaken by the global MSM.

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truebluebasher Monday, 6 May 2019 at 5:45pm

Mueller found Russia interfered in US election violating US 'Criminal Law'.(wiki)

"Special Council Robert Mueller found significant evidence that 'Mr Trump' may have obstructed justice,but he 'declined to charge 'President Trump' based on his view of how the law should work."(Time)

Read between the lines...
'Mr Trump' is guilty as charged.
Constitutional limitations prevent prosecutions sticking to 'President Trump'.
If Trump was 'innocent of charges' the Report would have cleared any wrongdoing.

Mueller's probing report does the opposite! It lays the foundation for later charges...
It even examples any number of President Trump's 'obstructions of Justice'...
Limitations upon US prosecutors ruled out Trump charges...hardly lack of evidence.
A sitting President cannot be indicted but can still face same charges after office.

Sitting President has universal right to clear name of accusations of wrongdoing.
In other words any speedy Presidential trial 'must' clear Trump under US law.
Therefore any Presidential investigator walks a tightrope above the Prison Yard.

1000 trials can never find a 'sitting' President guilty.(Truth don't sell newspapers!)
[Left leaflet-President not cleared] Black vs White [Right Tabloid-NO COLLUSION]

This link best walks the fine line thru Presidential USA.
http://time.com/5573289/robert-mueller-trump-obstruction-charges/

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tubeshooter Monday, 6 May 2019 at 7:45pm

The day collusion died .. American Pie parody

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truebluebasher Monday, 6 May 2019 at 8:33pm

tubeshooter fires a shot over the ship of fools bow...winds of change?

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blindboy Tuesday, 14 May 2019 at 11:49am

Meanwhile, what do US Presidents do when the shit is about to hit the fan? Yep, start a war!

WASHINGTON — At a meeting of President Trump’s top national security aides last Thursday, Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan presented an updated military plan that envisions sending as many as 120,000 troops to the Middle East should Iran attack American forces or accelerate work on nuclear weapons, administration officials said.

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velocityjohnno Sunday, 18 Apr 2021 at 9:17pm

This proved to be a very silly thread.

Trump is gone now, no new wars were started. He even tried to draw down troops but was thwarted by disobedience in the state dept.

New administration, the swamp is back in charge and the risk of war is closer now as tensions ratchet. Taiwan and SC sea are obvious flash points. Iran is closer to going nuclear now. Russian troops are building up on Ukraine border:

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/nato-and-ukraine-discuss-russian-militar...

I've read worse including ultimatums to get NATO ships out of Black sea and moving of fleets, ambassadors being dismissed, but can't confirm anything beyond the link.

History rhymes and there are certainly parallels to the 1930s.