Submitted by morg on Wed, 07/13/2016 - 23:33
Recently I watched a couple of guys riding modern twin fin boards. The boards were a Jim Banks Magic Carpet twin which Dave was riding really well in waves up to six foot or so, and a Gary MCNeil twinny that a guy was surfing in four foot waves. I grew up riding twin fins and used to really like four channel twin fins (eg Jet from Byron Bay, and John Stewart from Catherine Hill Bay). I'm not really a fan of the current old School twin fins or fish, however am wanting to try a more modern style one or a hybrid. I like swallow tails but don't want one with a flyers.
If you know of anyone who makes a good modern fish, or have some design ideas please let me know.
Big Oz is 4 foot Hawaiin ?
It was our mate pokeboy who started going on about big barrels, not me. As for the photos there was a double page spread of me at south coast pipe in an SW from, I would guess 1972. I would post it if I had it. Does that make me better than anyone else here, hardly. Every dog has their day and most times it is out of sight of a camera. The reason I mentioned it was to emphasise to pokeboy that I knew the break and had surfed it at size....but we were at cross porpoises. Watch out for them angry dolphins.
"It's the correct way" hahahaha!
All kneel before the mighty fong!
So it never gets over 4ft then?
And you can't tell how big it is until you get out either.
Fong never left Queensland by the sound of things.
Hello sound of Fong talking dribble.
Your initials aren't C O 'C are they Fong ?
Hey Fong, show us how you surf the back of a wave.
Miaow miaow, scratch scratch
Come on in BB, the water's fine!
How big's Chopes when the face is 30ft but there's only a 4ft back on it?
C'mon Fong have a spell mate, you're dribbling nonsense.
"Big surf is rarely over 4ft in Australia, if you measure it properly"
Go spend a winter in western Vic and paddle out as big as it gets, you'll be fine...
Are you playing dumb goofy? 4ft of course.
Best suited to an MR twinny.
show me fong how you "measure it properly". what technique do you use to "properly measure" the rear of the wave.
Exactly the same! Shit so all of you spent the last couple of weeks surfing a 20 year old 7'5" pintail too. I never would have guessed.
You're definitely the type of fong that's wedged a little too tightly between the arse cheeks, ya cheeky tiger!
Bunker and Taz surfing THE pipe on twinnies. Pre and post MR. Rasta at maxing Nias. Nothing to see here??
Mick Adams, kook? Neal Purchase shapes late 70s. Gary Timperley.
Nothing to re-investigate?
'It was our mate pokeboy who started going on about big barrels, not me. As for the photos there was a double page spread of me at south coast pipe in an SW from, I would guess 1972. I would post it if I had it. Does that make me better than anyone else here, hardly. Every dog has their day and most times it is out of sight of a camera. The reason I mentioned it was to emphasise to pokeboy that I knew the break and had surfed it at size....but we were at cross porpoises. Watch out for them angry dolphins.'
Oh dear. Another fib! They flow so easily, magnificently conditioned. Veni vidi vici! The wild colonial boy! But, no blindcog, the truth, the actual fact is that I simply highlighted 'Batchy's' legendary perfomance at big, heavy Pipe, on his twinnie. A truly legendary performance, on a twinnie, that stood out, compared to everyone else there. In the exact waves that you and stupe (hi pete, hi mick) and blownit, claim that they are totally useless in. You frantically screech, 'dangerous' even! Yet, conversely, the facts are a performance, that all who witnessed it commented on in glowing terms. You then went on the, unconsciously conditioned, somewhat hysterical, but utterly irrelevant blindcog colonial rant. Jibbering on about a totally different wave, that as you went to great pains to say, is neither big or heavy. God knows why.
Colonial science weekly: 'A killer twinnie killed my family... after killer eggs poisoned them!' By blindcog.
So, just like when 'advance Australia fair' was 'founded', and blatant lies and bullshit were used to conceal fact, by the self appointed, superior colonial boyz, the cogs unconsciously turned. And, despite, 'no thanks, not interested, in fact our system works just great', which in total, factual truth it did, in fact better than most, including those claiming that it didn't, the self proclaimed 'superior', yet totally wrong, totally ignorant colonials went on a willful and conditioned bullshit rant. And still do to this day, to hide and conceal the truth. To win, to conquer.
The conditioned cogs are those that when confronted with these true facts, facts which fly in the face of their ignorant assertions, behave totally unconsciously and do utterly anything to uphold their false belief.
'In serious waves of consequence, in big, thick, heaving barrels, the MR twinnie aficionado did better than most. Stood out. And despite offers of sponsorship from prominent board makers, in his prime, at his best, he chose the MR twinnie, to standout. To surf the way that he chose to. In waves that flogged plenty of so called 'legends'. In waves that plenty put on lists. In front of the blowins too. The way that is really legendary. Plenty of witnesses. That's real. Surfers truth. Despite surfee 'history'. And you can't google it.
Likewise, 'Batchy' on his 'twinnie' stood out, in big heavy barrels, at Pipe too, made everyone there take notice. Which they did. It became really legendary. Plenty of witnesses. That's real. Surfers truth. Despite surfee 'history'. And you can't google it.'
So Australia was 'founded'. On pure, conditioned bullshit, smokescreens and lies.
The cogs just cant accept that anything different could be successful and co exist with their beliefs. Even if they are proven to be totally wrong. It is a conditioned hallmark of separatist beliefs. Traditional Indigenous Australians were quite happy for the mistaken, ignorant invaders to simply go back to where they came from and live their own life. Or even to coexist, with respect. Such is the Cultural conditioning of connection and inclusion, which, despite the continuing blind, cog like bullshit, has an unmatched success rate.
So, yeh other boards go great. And twinnies? Well, love it or despise it, the simple actual facts are:
Batchy and the other twinnie guy, awesome stuff hey! Better than most! Traditional Indigenous Australians, the most successful cultures ever, and rightful, legal owners of this, their true home of 40,000 years minimum! Awesome stuff hey! Better than most!
But, never underestimate the power of conditioning. adolph didn't have to try too hard. Neither does pauline.
Fuck'n twinnies. Just move on!
By all means. Say it three (or thirty) times it must be true.
Jim banks twin keels work. Wish i still had one.Got to get the right dims though. smaller seems to work better.
Never underestimate the power of conditioning.
I am a keen proponent of twinnies. Got a modern one, not a fish, and it is sensational in waves up to 4 foot. All I surf at the moment. Fast, swooping, snappy, loose if need be and most of all fun. I find with a thruster you really have to push continuously off the back foot to get any drive which is a pain in smaller, average waves. With a modern twinnie they are fast immediately although you have to surf them differently. Watch Asher and he has his back leg bent and he leans forward. Mick F surfs one really well and he has that front foot stance, weight balance seems to be the key. I wouldn't at this stage surf one in 6 foot barrels however for your everyday surf they are a blast. I started on single fins and then twinnies which I have always had a soft spot for. I have been training on an indo board with the pillow thingy and light weights to get better balance and it has paid off big time as they can be sensitive if you are not used to them.
Just a little bit of information to add about MR.
He won the Pipeline Masters in 1980 on a 7'0" round pin single fin. MR loved his twin fins but always jumped onto single fins for the Hawaiian leg of the tour.
He usually shaped his own 3 board quiver for Hawaii from 6'8" up to 7'4", all round pin single fins.
MR also took thrusters later on in his career as he felt they had better hold especially on his backhand at Pipe.
Some of these facts can be found on MR's own blog, some in surf mags from the period and some from talking with the great man himself.
I remember as a grom back in the 70s & 80s having many discussions about how twins were great in smaller waves but just too unpredictable in waves of consequence especially on your backhand and MR was of the same opinion.
I talked with MR a few times about this issue when he visited Lennox Point in his silver wetsuit driving his Porsche. He always rode his Twinnie out at Lennox and did rip too but even he felt twins were not the right board for Hawaii.
Sorry if this has added to the confusion as it is not really relevant to the topic of modern twins.
Seal he did surf Off the Wall on a twinnie though.
Absolutely correct memlasurf.
In fact I think there was a shot of MR on a twin at Off the Wall dropping in on Shaun Thomson but it's a right hander and usually not surfed near as big as Pipe so probably not as sketchy on a twin-fin.
What did everyone think of those performances in those waves of consequence? That were better than most. By very experienced surfers, who had the ultimate confidence in carefully choosing the right 'twinnie' for the conditions.
A basic understanding of design can easily realize why some twin fins have, and did demonstrate some real advantages in those waves. Which obviously is very relevant to any design. Even 'modern'!
Design is funny, literally. I can remember a top ranked 'designer', who blindcog often highlights, having a laugh at a design, at a spot with waves of consequence. Espousing why it wouldn't work. Plenty of witness's. Oh the joy, oh the fun! Unfortunately for him, oh the earth shattering consequences! As the non workable design, worked him magnificently! Spectacularly! Close up after close up! Whilst his own creation? As I said, earth shattering, and actually, come to think of it, body shattering consequences. And the very things that he felt were going to make the design fail, were the very things that made it so reliable in that surf.
So, what did everyone think of those 'twinnies' performances in those waves of consequence? That were better than most. By very experienced surfers, who had the ultimate confidence in carefully selecting the right 'twinnie' for the conditions. But, beautifully ignored, in keeping perfectly aligned with tradition. Like avoiding the nitty gritty details, the truth about the 'founding' of Australia. The ramifications. 'Sorry'.
Never underestimate the power of conditioning. School the cogs. 'Sorry'... not to be confused with sorry.
What's that strange echoing noise I keep hearing?
Probably the sound of a tiny, useless, trapped blowie pinging around in there.
Or, if its a whingynut kind of echo, or a fizzling kind of echo, it could be a remnant of a back muscle trying to flex?
Well, as we've seen, plenty of room in there, so its probably a combo of the above, and them bloomin' cogs (the small, 50kg or less ones), incessantly, ludicrously clanging and banging around in your scone!
Keep on listening! Up the volume, it will become clearer!
Never underestimate the power of conditioning. School the cogs.
Keep listening? Nah, shouldn't think so. Back to the lifting now like a good pokeboy.
'Keep listening? Nah, shouldn't think so.'
See! Unconsciously listening! The march of the zombies!
I'm just heading out the door, as we... well, as you listen! I'll throw some big cogs around for ya! No good just gigglin' at em!
'So, what did everyone think of those 'twinnies' performances in those waves of consequence? That were better than most. By very experienced surfers, who had the ultimate confidence in carefully selecting the right 'twinnie' for the conditions. But, beautifully ignored, in keeping perfectly aligned with tradition. Like avoiding the nitty gritty details, the truth about the 'founding' of Australia. The ramifications. 'Sorry'.
Never underestimate the power of conditioning. School the cogs. 'Sorry'... not to be confused with sorry.'
Guaranteed to do a turn on twindog without even knowing.....
Is it wrong to laugh at the power of conditioning?
Oh dear! Not again! Really?
'Yes that is true re inshore - you are conditioned to seeing the impacts on the near shoreline - which results in sand being dumped out on the sand bars after eroding from the beach. Ian is talking about the broader impacts of sediment that is further offshore - sediment that may have been deposited there many many moons before and has up until this stage been very settled.
'Is it wrong to laugh at the power of conditioning?'
No, laugh heartily and well, even join the many others and roll around the floor dry retching, its quite normal. It, the laughing, will eventually recondition blindcog. He's used to being giggled at scientifically, but what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
But its not right..blind Freddie can see that.
'Know the real story ..any truth in it ...email it to editor.'
Stab mag has a video with craike and anderson and co getting barreled off their nuts on vintage twinnies.
Lucky there's a guy with a thruster in it that shows up craike and the other gronks pitiful barrel riding on their twinnies.
The swellnetted smashed crabs yogis club would show them how to do it! Champing at the bit! Well if only they weren't smashed crabs, what, with butt cheeks throbbing, trembling and quivering, knees popping, shoulders pinging, backs tweaking and cracking and snapping, necks ringing, ad infinitum.
He's back! Keep on penetratin'...
???? I am completely lost in this conversation.
Streuth! Lucky there's some thrustin' in it! Streuth!
Slow night ,TT ?
Streuth! Straight from the horses... bullshit! Streuth!
'The common belief is that twin fins are only for when it’s small, mushy and onshore, but four-time world champ (on a twin fin), Mark Richards, says in Simon Anderson’s Thrust that twin fins work best in hollower, more powerful conditions.'
Gooooooo blowjabber! Gooooooo swillnuts! Streuth!
Bewdy, struth...Struth, bewdy -
Just wondering if anyone knows how the Superbrand Siamese twin goes?
Saw it for the first time the other week and noticed the 4 channels on the bottom something a bit different to all the other twins made by the big companies. I have seen them used before under the feet of Torren Martyn and guys like that, was wondering if anyone has experience with either the siamese ? or channnels on a twin.
Haha Fong, couldn't agree with you more manufactured in Australia is a shock nowadays. But you are right looks like it would go really well, was curious if anyone had surfed them or heard how they went.
Have a look at Phil Myers Freeflight insta for his new twin fin four channel
Wow 50 young just had a look at his page his boards look like weapons really taken the channels to a whole knew level.
Wouldn't mind jumping on one of his boards or even the siamese.
Yeah Willow they are pieces of art but functional, Stu has a 7.0 10 Channel and I've got a 7'6" 10 channel ordered should be ready any day now, can't wait. I love the look of his new twinny though
Congratulations mate, let us all know how it goes.
The twinny looks like it would fly, haven't been able to find a website for his boards, does he have one?
He has a website, but it's just got his phone number. All customs.
As doggy said he does all customs to suit the rider. Great guy and a legend
i have a bunch of different variations of twin fins , they have a great spot in your quiver and really bring the best out of your skill level.. its good to watch someone master the style on a twin fin board. i like the general wave awareness you learn using them..