Australia - you're standing in it

Sheepdog's picture
Sheepdog started the topic in Friday, 18 Sep 2020 at 11:51am

The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.

AndyM's picture
AndyM's picture
AndyM Friday, 30 May 2025 at 1:37pm

True story. Happens in most areas, unless you’re right in the inner city.

andy-mac's picture
andy-mac's picture
andy-mac Monday, 2 Jun 2025 at 5:01pm

Reckon it's about time we tell the USA to f off.
Let them go to war with China, we enjoy our living standard in big part because our trade with China.

Some ex Fox news pundit war monger with neo nazi tattoos telling us to buy more American made products of murder.

Hey it's not China actively enabling and participating in a genocide.

Australia really needs to get independent with its international relations.⁷

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jun/02/anthony-albanese-...

Optimist's picture
Optimist's picture
Optimist Monday, 2 Jun 2025 at 7:11pm

I feel sorry for the people of Kalbarri….
Bowens given some foreign company 840 million dollars for a green hydrogen project which after the seeing the guy in charge looks like a scam I reckon.
Looks good on paper but I doubt it’s a real deal and the people will suffer for it…
The infrastructure will change the community forever and then will probably be left as another unfinished white elephant.
If it was such a winner why dosent the Labor govt do it themselves….
Easy to give away other people’s taxpayer money to make yourself look good via another player……if they fail …it’ll just be oops….
Currently green hydrogen needs nuclear power to be successful which is why the big players are moving their projects to the U.S.
That project will alter the landscape forever and while it would be nice to have hydrogen power……why sell it all to Europe??? If it ever gets sold at all…
Smells dodgy….will look dodgy…..dunno about that one.

udo's picture
udo's picture
udo Monday, 2 Jun 2025 at 7:23pm

?si=jBD7i0jwQK06b9gD

AndyM's picture
AndyM's picture
AndyM Wednesday, 4 Jun 2025 at 5:44pm

3.5% minimum award wage payrise - reasonable, too much or too little?
It's stated that this pay rise is above inflation but I gotta say, it doesn't feel like it to me.
Thoughts?

Island Bay's picture
Island Bay's picture
Island Bay Wednesday, 4 Jun 2025 at 5:46pm

What's the minimum wage in Aus?

Found it. $24.10/h

seeds's picture
seeds's picture
seeds Wednesday, 4 Jun 2025 at 5:53pm

From first of July
The National Minimum Wage will increase by:
$0.85 to $24.95 per hour
$32.10 to $948.00 per 38-hour week
$1,669.20 to $49,296.00 per year.

udo's picture
udo's picture
udo Saturday, 21 Jun 2025 at 12:12pm
udo's picture
udo's picture
udo Friday, 27 Jun 2025 at 7:44am
andy-mac's picture
andy-mac's picture
andy-mac Sunday, 29 Jun 2025 at 10:51am

Popped up on insta...

velocityjohnno's picture
velocityjohnno's picture
velocityjohnno Wednesday, 2 Jul 2025 at 5:30pm

Metals recyclers on the brink with high energy prices:

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2025/07/gas-cartel-destroys-metals-proc...

The chart was interesting: WA has lost the Kambalda Nickel Smelter but also Kwinana Nickel and Alumina, and BP Kwinana also stopped refining so the industrial muscle of Perth has been greatly diminished.

The others are in the east and some are asking for government backing for a transition to energy metals, or wondering about keeping operating in high energy cost environment.

At what point do we become third world? When there is no value-adding or economic complexity left?

velocityjohnno's picture
velocityjohnno's picture
velocityjohnno Wednesday, 2 Jul 2025 at 5:36pm
andy-mac wrote:

Reckon it's about time we tell the USA to f off.
Let them go to war with China, we enjoy our living standard in big part because our trade with China.

Some ex Fox news pundit war monger with neo nazi tattoos telling us to buy more American made products of murder.

Hey it's not China actively enabling and participating in a genocide.

Australia really needs to get independent with its international relations.⁷

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jun/02/anthony-albanese-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare

The minute it kicks off our seaborne trade is gone so we should prepare for that. But we won't.

Supafreak's picture
Supafreak's picture
Supafreak Wednesday, 2 Jul 2025 at 7:15pm

IMG-2123

etarip's picture
etarip's picture
etarip Wednesday, 2 Jul 2025 at 8:50pm

@andy-mac
“ Hey it's not China actively enabling and participating in a genocide.”

Are we 100% sure on that? Reckon you might find a few dissenting views and some pretty compelling evidence…

velocityjohnno's picture
velocityjohnno's picture
velocityjohnno Saturday, 5 Jul 2025 at 4:50pm

Albo delivers his most important speech:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-04/anthony-albanese-champions-austra...

As an afterword, a speech on Future Made in Australia by minister Tim Ayers to the Collaborate Innovate conference 2025:

https://www.minister.industry.gov.au/ministers/timayres/speeches/collabo...

All this is like the strong, nation building ALP of my childhood, it's really good to see. I'll reserve quibbles for now (basically: can you back up the words?) and just enjoy the sentiments and the leadership. Great cat there Supa :)

basesix's picture
basesix's picture
basesix Saturday, 5 Jul 2025 at 5:00pm
Supafreak wrote:

IMG-2123

haha, that's funny.. wrong projection, but
.

Supafreak's picture
Supafreak's picture
Supafreak Tuesday, 8 Jul 2025 at 1:05pm
benskii's picture
benskii's picture
benskii Friday, 11 Jul 2025 at 9:45pm

Anyone from South Oz know about the Australian Marine Wildlife Research & Rescue Organisation? Facebook says their facility got hammered by AGL who was previously sponsoring them.

andy-mac's picture
andy-mac's picture
andy-mac Wednesday, 23 Jul 2025 at 6:32pm
truebluebasher's picture
truebluebasher's picture
truebluebasher Wednesday, 23 Jul 2025 at 8:13pm

Any Whale, Orca, Shark, Croc, Elephant, Rhino, Bull, Ox, Buffalo, Horse, Ram, Gorilla, Bear, Tiger, Lion even a Roo... or many more wild critters...
All equally flick tag team heavyweight champs & challengers outta the park...without the fanfare!

Disabled, ill pensioner tbb backs himself to manhandle demonic Lightning Storm Surge to tame wild WOTD.
Laziest effort is still more majestic & awe inspiring than Premier's best caged pet bitch slappers promo!
Knuckleheads are an embarrassment to mankind...critters are laughing at piss poor excuse for men!

Run wild & be free harnessing power of nature...Menfolk are not enslaved pissweak pet pound puppies!

Mundine is free to Launch Qldurr'z Rocket...in Sept > Xmas Round 8/9/10...don't care...we're not fussy!
Give it yer best shot > Launch it 2-3 metres outta the ring or topple it over...Knock yerself out...Our hero!

andy-mac's picture
andy-mac's picture
andy-mac Friday, 25 Jul 2025 at 6:36am

Reckon it's time we consider joining brics.
The orange man administration is no friend of Australia, even though we send them free money for maybe borrowing a submarine to threaten our biggest trading partner, and wealth generator.
Come on Albo, play hard ball with these bullies, out of Pine Gap and other bases if they will not reciprocate as true allies.
Who would buy shitty seppo beef anyway??

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jul/25/don-farrell-trade...

simba's picture
simba's picture
simba Friday, 25 Jul 2025 at 6:54am

Yes Albo has dropped the ball big time and taken up licking orange arse.........so the aust taxpayer helps to prop up the yank ship building industry for 1.6 billion.....really......for something that will never happen and who needs a nuclear sub anyway in 30 years time...maybe.... and we let them bring there beef in here wtf.........the only thing i liked about Albo was he was standing up to the orange gorilla ...Trump....fuk off Albo you dumb cunt....

andy-mac's picture
andy-mac's picture
andy-mac Friday, 25 Jul 2025 at 8:21pm

Talk is cheap, sanctions now.
Any dual passport owners coming back after serving in IOF should be investigated for war crimes.
Enough of this bullshit.
Australia cam and should do better.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/25/australia-must-sanction-be...

velocityjohnno's picture
velocityjohnno's picture
velocityjohnno Friday, 25 Jul 2025 at 8:29pm

Australia in 2025: it's like the Q&A panel didn't really understand what he was trying to get across

https://x.com/BikoKonstantin1/status/1899070320692330729

andy-mac's picture
andy-mac's picture
andy-mac Friday, 25 Jul 2025 at 8:49pm
velocityjohnno wrote:

Australia in 2025: it's like the Q&A panel didn't really understand what he was trying to get across

https://x.com/BikoKonstantin1/status/1899070320692330729

Sssshhhh. Don't mention CGT, neg gearing, developers land banking, smsf's etc.
Blame it on immigration???

Then complain your mum has no one taking care of her in aged care, you have to wait too long for operation as hospitals understaffed. Cannot get an user, No doctor to perform operation....

Problem has been decades in the making....

velocityjohnno's picture
velocityjohnno's picture
velocityjohnno Friday, 25 Jul 2025 at 11:46pm

And for you sub fans:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/25/uk-sign-50-year-aukus-treaty...

So if the US goes AWOL contingency exists.

And this article shows the capability difference between them and conventional subs:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/25/aukus-nuclear-submarines-pac...

Strategically and tactically a game changer.

Further on the boat news, first British carrier in 25 years to dock in Australia:

https://www.navylookout.com/first-royal-navy-aircraft-carrier-to-visit-a...

And next, with US settings changed to 'unreliable', Europe is starting to put together combined carrier strike groups, this one is important as it's more recently only the US that could do and supply this with multiple carriers anywhere they wished. The message is that Europe can, independently:

https://mc.nato.int/media-centre/news/2021/nato-carrier-strike-groups-tr...

Lastly, on Albo's visit to China. China traditionally does this quite powerful diplomacy where they will meet and engage on trade, but at the same time, somewhere, there's a home-side massive military exercise going on in the background. The message is both of opportunity and 'look at our strength'. In this most recent Australian visit (complete with the green iron ore/steel idea of Mr Forrest which I so hope we can pull off, for it will permit another 30 years of economic prosperity in Australia, cold war or no), notice that Australia was doing the huge military exercise (Talisman Sabre) which had a crescendo of a Typhon launch. Significant as this is a very long range ballistic missile - it hit a ship at sea so this sends the similar message back north, whether it was all intended to line up or not. Why's that important? It's one thing - that I know some of you have called for - that can knock out approaching carrier strike groups at range, which are the main threat to our northern defences.

blackers's picture
blackers's picture
blackers Saturday, 26 Jul 2025 at 2:09pm

Here's an another view on the subs deal and offers a different approach. It links up with some of your observations about the Operation Talisman shindig. Have heard this raised a few times now, evidence from Ukraine is changing views on what is actually needed into the future.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/21/an-alternative-to-...

velocityjohnno's picture
velocityjohnno's picture
velocityjohnno Tuesday, 29 Jul 2025 at 3:50pm

Could well be viable. The author is talking A2/AD which is what the Typhon launch hinted at. Australia oscillates between a 'defence of Australia' concept and 'forward deployment' concept in it's defence posture (eg contrast Vietnam to the posture afterward).

A long time ago French strategists argued that the torpedo, submarine and torpedo boat would make the capital ship redundant - this is pre WW1. This 'jeune ecole' saw those weapons mature, but the capital ships themselves developed countermeasures and were never truly replaced. I see a bit of this line of thought in the article with uncrewed and underwater sensors - which are again nothing new as the SOSUS network has existed a long time.

At any rate the submarines will need to be replaced on some level as the Collins class ages, and submarines will still have their use - even as mothership for unmanned underwater vehicles a la 'loyal wingman' concept.

The best defence is in depth, and sufficiently funded. So have the A2/AD, have submarines, and have sufficient force to allow your country to remain sovereign.

(I was also looking for his acknowledgement that to beat Australia, you don't have to invade - you just have to close its sea lane traffic. A big blue water navy like China or the US has, could do this by imposing blocade - close, or far away. (A nuclear sub with cruise missiles is an antidote to this.) No imports of fuel, which we are dependent upon, and Australia grinds to a halt. So in this case, you very much DO need the surface and undersea warships, as the convoy system would be the only way of getting supplies through in this instance. Here, nuclear subs could help screening baddies for the convoy, just as they do for a carrier battle group. Surface ships could defend it to - they don't have to be flash, just have some defensive armament, eg the Flower class corvettes of WW2.) The guy sitting at home with great A2/AD will have no imports and have to start moonshinin' his own fuel.

velocityjohnno's picture
velocityjohnno's picture
velocityjohnno Tuesday, 29 Jul 2025 at 3:50pm

Jen Parker is very knowledgeable on this issue.

tearymasseuse's picture
tearymasseuse's picture
tearymasseuse Tuesday, 29 Jul 2025 at 5:57pm
andy-mac wrote:

Talk is cheap, sanctions now.
Any dual passport owners coming back after serving in IOF should be investigated for war crimes.
Enough of this bullshit.
Australia cam and should do better.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/25/australia-must-sanction-be...

…hmmmmm did someone say democracy ;)
(nothin quite like upholding the sovereignty of foreign interference)

- & who voted for this?

(it must be for our ‘safety and security’ and probly comes with guarantees of ‘positive reverberations’ hahahaha)

&list=TLPQMjgwNzIwMjUJOn7WCFk9pw&index=5

adam12's picture
adam12's picture
adam12 Wednesday, 30 Jul 2025 at 12:01am

Albanese set to announce today (Wednesday) that YouTube will be included in the government's social media ban for under 16's, reversing the previously stated position.
But guess what won't be included in any U/16 y.o. ban....gaming platforms!
What most people don't realise is that the verification requirements will be applicable to all social media users, so everyone will be required to provide age verification details no matter what age they are.
I think this is going to blow up in the ALP's face.
Google and Meta are going to fight this for sure, and a lot of pissed off teenagers, and over 16 social media users that won't want to give social media platforms that kind of ID information.
Stupid policy.

seaslug's picture
seaslug's picture
seaslug Wednesday, 30 Jul 2025 at 12:15am

Too little too late, all window dressing