The Necessity of Reparation for Historic Injustices
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"JACINTA PRICE: - STOP BLAMING ABORIGINAL CULTURE FOR WHAT THE COLONIALS CREATED
[ The image shows the Aboriginal Troopers leading the colonials to the tribes for slaughtering - Jacinta Price sits well in this situation as she contantly attacks Aboriginal Culture for the precidament the colonials have created ]
Senior Yolngu leader Yingiya Guyula, said the efforts by Jacinta Price and others to blame Aboriginal culture for violence and abuse is wrong.
These problems require a more mature conversation and should start with focusing on the behaviour and not pointing the finger at “culture”. The idea that abandonment of culture is the great hope for Aboriginal people is false, offensive, and dangerous. We must connect our past, present, and future to address these issues.
The argument that Aboriginal culture is to blame for Aboriginal people being over-represented in cases of domestic and other forms of violence is wrong.
Our culture is who we are. We are inextricably part of our culture, our language, our customs, our spirituality, our worldview. Our law maintains our culture. To take these things away is to remove our identity.
It is a dangerous discussion because it is about the systematic dehumanisation of a group that might have catastrophic consequences.
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Yingiya Mark Guyula is an Australian politician and a Yolŋu man of the Djambarrpuy?u clan and the Liya-Dhälinymirr people. He is an independent member of the Northern Territory Legislative Assembly for the seat of Mulka in north-east Arnhem Land. He previously represented Nhulunbuy from 2016 to 2020.
Guyula was born and raised in Mirrngadja in Arnhem Land where he lived on his country with his family and extended kin learning a Yolŋu way of life. At the age of 10 he began a western education at Shepherdson College on Elcho Island and later went on to attend Dhulpuma College and the Nhulunbuy Area School. He then returned home to his family for a time before moving to Nhulunbuy to work with MAF (Mission Aviation Fellowship), being trained in aircraft maintenance and engineering. Eventually he trained as a pilot in Victoria and became the first Yolngu commercial pilot for the region in 1983.
Yingiya Mark Guyula (Wikipedia) http://surl.li/dvfwy"
Drunk on power. Fkn traitor.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-11/jacinta-price-in-bunbury-noongar-...
JP with the backing of a murdoch owned newspaper trying their best . Her & spud really are all mouth with no substance . https://ibnews.com.au/nt-senator-suffers-early-blow-in-defamation-suit/
"THE LACK OF HISTORY EDUCATION IN AUSTRALIA - by a former Secondary teacher
Interestingly, many cling to the same falsehoods, notably that Captain Cook landed on 26 January, and then went on to commit genocide ...
As a former history teacher this appalling ignorance of Australia’s past doesn’t surprise me one bit. Change the date? If that’s the considered will of the people, fine by me. Yet, to foster far greater knowledge of our complex history, let’s change the curriculum first.
Right now, it’s in a sorry state. Here in Victoria, there is only one subject that focuses entirely on Australia’s history – “Australian History”. A VCE subject, it is completed by minuscule, and declining, numbers of year 11 and 12 students. Only 624 of 51,746 students completed the subject in 2021. The overall number of students enrolled in the subject has halved in the last decade. Based on this trend, soon it will be gone altogether.
That would be a tragedy in its own right, made worse by the broader context: Victorian students, across the secondary years, simply aren’t being taught about our history. In years 7 and 8, pupils complete a brief unit focused on ancient “Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples and cultures”. In years 9 and 10 there is another unit that seeks to foster an understanding of Australia from 1914 to 1945, with passing reference to Indigenous Australians.
For many students, that’s it. That’s all they learn about our history during their secondary years. There’s one more optional unit for years 9 and 10, on the period from 1750-1918, but in my experience, many schools go for the other option, which is a study of Asian society during the same timeframe.
In 1968 the celebrated anthropologist William Edward Hanley Stanner popularised the notion of the “Great Australian Silence”. He was talking about the airbrushing of Australia’s history: the almost total exclusion of Aboriginal voices and experiences. He said, “What may well have begun as a simple forgetting of other possible views turned under habit and over time into something like a cult of forgetfulness.”
His ideas had a huge impact. Today, barely a meeting, ceremony or sporting match starts without some sort of nod to our Indigenous heritage, yet Victoria’s curriculum still remains almost totally silent, especially on the critical and contested period directly following 1788. That has to change.
It should be compulsory for all secondary students to complete units on Australian history from 1788 to 1914. These units should cover, among other things, Indigenous responses to colonisation, disease, the frontier wars, the establishment of western institutions and norms, official policies regarding Indigenous Australians (including the removal of Indigenous children) and the framing of the constitution.
This period of our history includes many shameful elements. At the same time, institutions and systems were established that enabled Australia to become, arguably, the most successful multicultural nation in the world. It’s imperative that young people come to an understanding of this complex history: the very good, the bad and the downright racist ..."
- by Dr Matthew Bach,
southernraw wrote:"THE LACK OF HISTORY EDUCATION IN AUSTRALIA - by a former Secondary teacher
Interestingly, many cling to the same falsehoods, notably that Captain Cook landed on 26 January, and then went on to commit genocide ...
As a former history teacher this appalling ignorance of Australia’s past doesn’t surprise me one bit. Change the date? If that’s the considered will of the people, fine by me. Yet, to foster far greater knowledge of our complex history, let’s change the curriculum first.
Right now, it’s in a sorry state. Here in Victoria, there is only one subject that focuses entirely on Australia’s history – “Australian History”. A VCE subject, it is completed by minuscule, and declining, numbers of year 11 and 12 students. Only 624 of 51,746 students completed the subject in 2021. The overall number of students enrolled in the subject has halved in the last decade. Based on this trend, soon it will be gone altogether.
That would be a tragedy in its own right, made worse by the broader context: Victorian students, across the secondary years, simply aren’t being taught about our history. In years 7 and 8, pupils complete a brief unit focused on ancient “Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples and cultures”. In years 9 and 10 there is another unit that seeks to foster an understanding of Australia from 1914 to 1945, with passing reference to Indigenous Australians.
For many students, that’s it. That’s all they learn about our history during their secondary years. There’s one more optional unit for years 9 and 10, on the period from 1750-1918, but in my experience, many schools go for the other option, which is a study of Asian society during the same timeframe.
In 1968 the celebrated anthropologist William Edward Hanley Stanner popularised the notion of the “Great Australian Silence”. He was talking about the airbrushing of Australia’s history: the almost total exclusion of Aboriginal voices and experiences. He said, “What may well have begun as a simple forgetting of other possible views turned under habit and over time into something like a cult of forgetfulness.”
His ideas had a huge impact. Today, barely a meeting, ceremony or sporting match starts without some sort of nod to our Indigenous heritage, yet Victoria’s curriculum still remains almost totally silent, especially on the critical and contested period directly following 1788. That has to change.
It should be compulsory for all secondary students to complete units on Australian history from 1788 to 1914. These units should cover, among other things, Indigenous responses to colonisation, disease, the frontier wars, the establishment of western institutions and norms, official policies regarding Indigenous Australians (including the removal of Indigenous children) and the framing of the constitution.
This period of our history includes many shameful elements. At the same time, institutions and systems were established that enabled Australia to become, arguably, the most successful multicultural nation in the world. It’s imperative that young people come to an understanding of this complex history: the very good, the bad and the downright racist ..."
- by Dr Matthew Bach,
Southernraw. Good on ya pal.
My sentiments entirely. For too long we’ve had the ‘bury our heads in the sand’ mentality. I’ve said it before, the ‘truth’ will set us free, as a nation. AW
Ken Wyatt this morning, 11mins listen:
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/radionational-breakfast/disappoin...
(what completely ignorant fucking idiot thinks welcome to country means welcome to australia? it's a 'hello, please be in this area as friends to do what you are doing and we are open to conversations' - all organisations have the right to make their own decisions with ceremonies to include (or not) welcomes, etc. sad, sad tactics Poider Dutton.) "kick em again, poider, blow that whistle, blow higher.. yeeehhhh, punch down poider!!!")
AlfredWallace wrote:southernraw wrote:"THE LACK OF HISTORY EDUCATION IN AUSTRALIA - by a former Secondary teacher
Interestingly, many cling to the same falsehoods, notably that Captain Cook landed on 26 January, and then went on to commit genocide ...
As a former history teacher this appalling ignorance of Australia’s past doesn’t surprise me one bit. Change the date? If that’s the considered will of the people, fine by me. Yet, to foster far greater knowledge of our complex history, let’s change the curriculum first.
Right now, it’s in a sorry state. Here in Victoria, there is only one subject that focuses entirely on Australia’s history – “Australian History”. A VCE subject, it is completed by minuscule, and declining, numbers of year 11 and 12 students. Only 624 of 51,746 students completed the subject in 2021. The overall number of students enrolled in the subject has halved in the last decade. Based on this trend, soon it will be gone altogether.
That would be a tragedy in its own right, made worse by the broader context: Victorian students, across the secondary years, simply aren’t being taught about our history. In years 7 and 8, pupils complete a brief unit focused on ancient “Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples and cultures”. In years 9 and 10 there is another unit that seeks to foster an understanding of Australia from 1914 to 1945, with passing reference to Indigenous Australians.
For many students, that’s it. That’s all they learn about our history during their secondary years. There’s one more optional unit for years 9 and 10, on the period from 1750-1918, but in my experience, many schools go for the other option, which is a study of Asian society during the same timeframe.
In 1968 the celebrated anthropologist William Edward Hanley Stanner popularised the notion of the “Great Australian Silence”. He was talking about the airbrushing of Australia’s history: the almost total exclusion of Aboriginal voices and experiences. He said, “What may well have begun as a simple forgetting of other possible views turned under habit and over time into something like a cult of forgetfulness.”
His ideas had a huge impact. Today, barely a meeting, ceremony or sporting match starts without some sort of nod to our Indigenous heritage, yet Victoria’s curriculum still remains almost totally silent, especially on the critical and contested period directly following 1788. That has to change.
It should be compulsory for all secondary students to complete units on Australian history from 1788 to 1914. These units should cover, among other things, Indigenous responses to colonisation, disease, the frontier wars, the establishment of western institutions and norms, official policies regarding Indigenous Australians (including the removal of Indigenous children) and the framing of the constitution.
This period of our history includes many shameful elements. At the same time, institutions and systems were established that enabled Australia to become, arguably, the most successful multicultural nation in the world. It’s imperative that young people come to an understanding of this complex history: the very good, the bad and the downright racist ..."
- by Dr Matthew Bach,Southernraw. Good on ya pal.
My sentiments entirely. For too long we’ve had the ‘bury our heads in the sand’ mentality. I’ve said it before, the ‘truth’ will set us free, as a nation. AW
Hi sr and AW!!
We did "Australian" history in year 11 and 12 (this is 1970).
From what I can recall it was Colonialist based: the white man's "building of a nation" on the back of slave labour and the expansion beyond the Great Dividing Range by the early explorers. Indigenous culture and their place in this land was rarely, if ever, mentioned.
The massacres and the treatment of our Indigenous people seemed to disappear.
If a true and accurate account of colonialisation had been part of the curriculum from say the late 1940's
I believe our Indigenous people would be in a much better situation than they currently endure.
Cheers!
basesix wrote:Ken Wyatt this morning, 11mins listen:
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/radionational-breakfast/disappoin...
(what completely ignorant fucking idiot thinks welcome to country means welcome to australia? it's a 'hello, please be in this area as friends to do what you are doing and we are open to conversations' - all organisations have the right to make their own decisions with ceremonies to include (or not) welcomes, etc. sad, sad tactics Poider Dutton.) "kick em again, poider, blow that whistle, blow higher.. yeeehhhh, punch down poider!!!")
Basesix. Hi pal.
A gasp, Wyisit Ken, what’s ya problem. Reading way too much into the whole concept of Welcome to Country, it’s just a friendly gesture, with a beautiful feeling of sharing and inclusion, don’t write a thesis about it.
B6 has explained it briefly and eloquently.
As for Peter Dutton, well, that’s just Peter Dutton, totally flummoxed.
Please keep him in the current political limelight so we can continually see him behave like the real fool and tool he is, it will be his downfall. AW
@basesix - I liked the way he started , after the journalist said " Welcome back to the program Ken" ,by asking her why she said "Welcome" ie) it means something.
basesix wrote:Ken Wyatt this morning, 11mins listen:
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/radionational-breakfast/disappoin...
(what completely ignorant fucking idiot thinks welcome to country means welcome to australia? it's a 'hello, please be in this area as friends to do what you are doing and we are open to conversations' - all organisations have the right to make their own decisions with ceremonies to include (or not) welcomes, etc. sad, sad tactics Poider Dutton.) "kick em again, poider, blow that whistle, blow higher.. yeeehhhh, punch down poider!!!")
Yep, well said.
Master Chef had a WTC before the show last night.
C'mon be fairdikum it's getting way over done.
I distinctly recall learning about Australia’s early colonial history at high school in Victoria in the 1980s, but the primary focus was on the hardships the early settlers endured in their efforts to establish a new colony, thus the title of our textbook, “The Turbulent Years”. There was no mention of massacres, diseases, cultural disintegration and other unsavoury effects of colonisation. Aboriginal people were merely portrayed as savages who were a hindrance to the new colony’s progress. I knew very little about Aboriginal culture and history until I became an English and History teacher in rural NSW in the early noughties. My own kids went to the same high school where I taught and they developed genuine empathy and respect for Aboriginal people through the school curriculum. I’m retired now so I’m not sure if this aspect of our history is still a focus in the school curriculum. However, according to a bloke I was talking to the other day, it still is because he was complaining about his kids being “brainwashed with all that woke garbage about the Abbos”. His attitude did not surprise me because he is an avid viewer of Sky News and he is a Dutton supporter. The recent criticisms of Welcome to Country ceremonies, e.g. “I don’t wanna be welcomed to my own country”, suggest that many people are still ignorant about Aboriginal culture and history. I think AW nailed it when he wrote “the truth will set you free”.
newdog wrote:Master Chef had a WTC before the show last night.
C'mon be fairdikum it's getting way over done.
Yes, I agree; doing it in inappropriate contexts diminishes its true meaning and purpose to the point that it becomes tokenistic, hence the recent criticisms. Nevertheless, it still has an important role when it’s the right time and place.
newdog wrote:Master Chef had a WTC before the show last night.
C'mon be fairdikum it's getting way over done.
Surely you mean acknowledgment of country not welcome to country?
haha, either way, what clown would focus on this..? Sounds like @newdog's personal observation and perhaps popular view and justified criticism of Peter Newman's steering (in terms of pandering via minor production decisions) of Endemol Shine Australia, Sydney, who make Master Chef Aussie for 10. Owned by a Frenchy company Banijay since 2020, anyway. Haha, hella pressing election concern.. vote Poider!! "Media Watch..!?!"
Go poider go
yep, that's hill bagging or munro bagging @Jelly. I assume you've explored the disconcerting world of st helens' absurdist sean reynard aka quentin smirhes aka kenneth..? religion thread only, sir.
overthefalls wrote:I distinctly recall learning about Australia’s early colonial history at high school in Victoria in the 1980s, but the primary focus was on the hardships the early settlers endured in their efforts to establish a new colony, thus the title of our textbook, “The Turbulent Years”. There was no mention of massacres, diseases, cultural disintegration and other unsavoury effects of colonisation. Aboriginal people were merely portrayed as savages who were a hindrance to the new colony’s progress. I knew very little about Aboriginal culture and history until I became an English and History teacher in rural NSW in the early noughties. My own kids went to the same high school where I taught and they developed genuine empathy and respect for Aboriginal people through the school curriculum. I’m retired now so I’m not sure if this aspect of our history is still a focus in the school curriculum. However, according to a bloke I was talking to the other day, it still is because he was complaining about his kids being “brainwashed with all that woke garbage about the Abbos”. His attitude did not surprise me because he is an avid viewer of Sky News and he is a Dutton supporter. The recent criticisms of Welcome to Country ceremonies, e.g. “I don’t wanna be welcomed to my own country”, suggest that many people are still ignorant about Aboriginal culture and history. I think AW nailed it when he wrote “the truth will set you free”.
Overthefalls. Hi fella, hope ya well.
That was a very succinct and truthful post by yourself, well done.
If every Australian was made to read the book ‘Blood On The Wattle’ , firstly, they would be stunned as to how cruel human beings can be to each other, secondly, it will stun you, it’s about massacres, with a fair bit of detail.
When I travel Australia bird and plants observing and surfing, I’ve on some occasions driven into towns or areas where I recall the names from the aforementioned book, it’s not a nice feeling, I definitely don’t stay in those places.
We’ve still got a lot on our plate regarding the handing over of the ‘olive branch’ so to speak. Good stuff. AW
All complete and utter nonsense - lunatic left progressive liberal woke anti-white person anti-Western culture nonsense and propaganda.
Schoolchildren should be taught a balanced and broad overview of world history, starting at about 5,000BC, and covering all major trends, civilisations, peoples and events since then.
What a complete crock of fucking idiotic bullshit to suggest that students should focus on a particular period of early Australian history, most certainly presented in the most fabricated, extreme, biased, negative and fallacious way in order to indoctrinate and brainwash them into hating themselves, their skin colour, their history, their parents, their family, their society, their culture, their nation, Western culture and civilisation more generally, etc.
AW COTD
haha @Supa. Yep @JF, I was wrong. Ol' @gsco.. wind him up and let him go whistle a happy tune. like all quentin's clips, he goes on twice as long as he should.
(anyone want the other side of Erik Satie's understanding of humans to exhale all this bullshit to, with bucolic pastoralism , I'll drop it on the Religion thread)
Theres possibly a good reason acknowledgement/welcome to country has gone up a few notches recently but some who are lacking perspective of the bigger picture still fail to recognise the why. Their resistance to anything First Nations Australia could also be read as an admission of guilt. So guilt ridden deep down knowing theyre living on stolen land, its easier to keep beating the imperialists drum and marching on with the masses. NO!
Great posts above everybody else.
gs-co wrote:All complete and utter nonsense - lunatic left progressive liberal woke anti-white person anti-Western culture nonsense and propaganda.
Schoolchildren should be taught a balanced and broad overview of world history, starting at about 5,000BC, and covering all major trends, civilisations, peoples and events since then.
What a complete crock of fucking idiotic bullshit to suggest that students should focus on a particular period of early Australian history, most certainly presented in the most fabricated, extreme, biased, negative and fallacious way in order to indoctrinate and brainwash them into hating themselves, their skin colour, their history, their parents, their family, their society, their culture, their nation, Western culture and civilisation more generally, etc.
Gs-co. Nobody is suggesting focusing on a particular period you fuckwit, there is and was an enormous piece of our history missing (a gap) from the cultural dialogue, a deliberate ploy, for what reason I don’t know.
Any sane person, which you simply are not would or should be interested in our complete history, because not bringing it to the forefront would define our history as incomplete, which it truly is.
I think you’re a player, you throw out a ridiculous statement and wait for us to respond.
Got kids? What do you tell or teach them about Australia, or do you leave it up to the school teachers.
You’d be a shit parent with that type of attitude.
Worrying thing is there’s a lot like you. Dumb fucks.
Clearly you are the Andrew Bolt of Swellnet with shit for brains. AW
"Schoolchildren should be taught a balanced and broad overview of world history, starting at about 5,000BC"
they are.
"and covering all major trends, civilisations, peoples and events since then."
they would be, but elementary/primary teachers are generally traditional caucasian ladies and PE blokes, and there's no time with the focus on the 3 RRRs.
"What a complete crock of fucking idiotic bullshit to suggest that students should focus on a particular period of early Australian history".
The bit you are talking about is one term's explicit 2 hours a week, mostly making 6-season fnp calendars about nature and doing a poster for naidoc week. they're taught about euro explorers and egypt and interview-your grandies projects and stuff they don't understand really, they just wonder what the kid next to them is giggling at and when's lunch. and they get pretty fucking well rounded by their parents, believe me.
"most certainly presented in the most fabricated, extreme, biased, negative and fallacious way in order to indoctrinate and brainwash them into hating themselves,"
nope, it is presented with parents from all walks of life involved.. real tightrope stuff, balance is foremost in any school council's mind, they have to sign off on stuff. A mix is required in school councils and the principal has to listen.
"their skin colour, their history, their parents, their family, their society, their culture, their nation, Western culture and civilisation more generally, etc."
Umm.. maybe in some country schools you can say 'their' skin colour to mean white, but in Aus we are heading towards the kind of multiculturalism that Rome or London enjoyed at the height of their world-rule.
And, um, nope. As I say, most primary teachers are conservative ladies and PE blokes (hopefully this is changing, but who the fuck would want to be a teacher?)
And kids..? they play sport, have internet friends, travel, have family experiences, shop in their town, watch telly, google trending fucknowisms..
If only schools had the effect on kids you imagine they might @gsco. They'd be stoked, bloke.
he's a total player, @AW. A guy with an x-ray gun in a boat floating a gscodd-duck decoy out, seeing what he can flush out of his system..
“…most certainly presented in the most fabricated, extreme, biased, negative and fallacious way in order to indoctrinate and brainwash them into hating themselves, their skin colour, their history, their parents, their family, their society, their culture, their nation, Western culture and civilisation more generally, etc. “
…since gsco transitioned
- well it’s been tough, for someone of such dazzling beauty anyway …never invited to stuff …never felt like nuthin to tha acadwemic kool krew …nothin other than an enemy y’all …its a fuckin battle of civiwisation out there espweciawee in acadwemia maaaaan
- “give him a ticket!” gsco shrieked…
& they still not give him the ticket
…..it’s ok gsco you can calm down
&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD GSCO you seem to paint yourself as a smart lad.
Read from page 14 , section 6.
Some real facts, as opposed to the mistruths you've been peddling.
Not sure where you're getting your 'facts' from tbh.
Feel free to get back to me.
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/asaj/38/0/38_1/_pdf
tearymasseuse wrote:“…most certainly presented in the most fabricated, extreme, biased, negative and fallacious way in order to indoctrinate and brainwash them into hating themselves, their skin colour, their history, their parents, their family, their society, their culture, their nation, Western culture and civilisation more generally, etc. “
…since gsco transitioned
- well it’s been tough, for someone of such dazzling beauty anyway …never invited to stuff …never felt like nuthin to tha acadwemic kool krew …nothin other than an enemy y’all …its a fuckin battle of civiwisation out there espweciawee in acadwemia maaaaan
- “give him a ticket!” gsco shrieked…
& they still not give him the ticket
…..it’s ok gsco you can calm down
youtube.com/watch?v=W22AJN2sngU&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD
^^ hahaha not this algorithm weirdness again. I watched that yesterday.
The original clip of gsco going nuts lasts about 20 minutes. The guitarist mash up is much more palatable.
gs-co wrote:All complete and utter nonsense - lunatic left progressive liberal woke anti-white person anti-Western culture nonsense and propaganda.
Schoolchildren should be taught a balanced and broad overview of world history, starting at about 5,000BC, and covering all major trends, civilisations, peoples and events since then.
What a complete crock of fucking idiotic bullshit to suggest that students should focus on a particular period of early Australian history, most certainly presented in the most fabricated, extreme, biased, negative and fallacious way in order to indoctrinate and brainwash them into hating themselves, their skin colour, their history, their parents, their family, their society, their culture, their nation, Western culture and civilisation more generally, etc.
Well said mate.. the kids atm are being brainwashed into being self-loathing cultural Marxists-activists. Anglos are only 8% of the world population now.
SR that document is not a scholarly, academic, rigorous journal paper or piece of research. It’s just some random person’s highly biased and irrelevant opinion published in some low ranking, junk open-access Japanese publication archive. I wouldn’t recommend citing or referencing it in your uni studies.
agree with gs-co and cheese
Of course… the stench of ummm
… ‘just some random person’s highly biased and irrelevant opinion’ hahaha :
“ as a fit, strong, handsome, masculine, tanned, heterosexual, blonde haired, blue eyed, Christian white male who is full of life and confidence, and just went for a 2hr surf this morning? I'm the enemy. I'm everything these people have been fighting against. It's completely inappropriate that someone like me is even alive and kicking on planet earth nowadays.”
Ever since gsco became maria and travelled from argentina…
- well, all the boys are goin wild! (must be the blond hair and blue eyes)
So frickn fit, strong, handsome, masculine, tanned and ummmmm ;);)
&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD
gs-co wrote:All complete and utter nonsense - lunatic left progressive liberal woke anti-white person anti-Western culture nonsense and propaganda.
Schoolchildren should be taught a balanced and broad overview of world history, starting at about 5,000BC, and covering all major trends, civilisations, peoples and events since then.
What a complete crock of fucking idiotic bullshit to suggest that students should focus on a particular period of early Australian history, most certainly presented in the most fabricated, extreme, biased, negative and fallacious way in order to indoctrinate and brainwash them into hating themselves, their skin colour, their history, their parents, their family, their society, their culture, their nation, Western culture and civilisation more generally, etc.
Personally i think the focus of history should be on Australia rather than overseas, which 100% should include indigenous history and does, the problem is other than some mythology dreamtime stories we dont have a detailed record of events before white fella so its always going to be focussed on cultural aspects all the positive ones and leave out any negative ones, and then history is going to be about the conflict between white fella and Aboriginal people.
I have a daughter in year 6 so i get to hear and see what they are taught etc, they do get taught a lot of Aboriginal stuff these days, id say at this stage it's more just cultural and respect, nothing i have an issue with, but the whole acknowledgment of country everyday before assembly is a bit over the top .
I think the problem is once they get into high school it will get more bias, they wont get taught anything negative like the wars between tribes, and just all the negative cultural aspects, especially treatment of women, it will all be, Aboriginal people were living in some garden of eden, life was perfect then white fella came and ruined it all.
Thats not reality, reality is much more complicated with many negatives but also positives.
BTW. basesix idea that school teachers are
", most primary teachers are conservative ladies and PE blokes"
is just ridiculous, i dont think you can pigeon hole them as any one thing, at my daughters school there is a whole range from new age hippy types, to married vanilla types, to old cat ladies, and many are men and those men in my schools case are probably the ones that are clearly more left leaning.
basesix wrote:"Schoolchildren should be taught a balanced and broad overview of world history, starting at about 5,000BC"
they are.
"and covering all major trends, civilisations, peoples and events since then."
they would be, but elementary/primary teachers are generally traditional caucasian ladies and PE blokes, and there's no time with the focus on the 3 RRRs.
"What a complete crock of fucking idiotic bullshit to suggest that students should focus on a particular period of early Australian history".
The bit you are talking about is one term's explicit 2 hours a week, mostly making 6-season fnp calendars about nature and doing a poster for naidoc week. they're taught about euro explorers and egypt and interview-your grandies projects and stuff they don't understand really, they just wonder what the kid next to them is giggling at and when's lunch. and they get pretty fucking well rounded by their parents, believe me.
"most certainly presented in the most fabricated, extreme, biased, negative and fallacious way in order to indoctrinate and brainwash them into hating themselves,"
nope, it is presented with parents from all walks of life involved.. real tightrope stuff, balance is foremost in any school council's mind, they have to sign off on stuff. A mix is required in school councils and the principal has to listen.
"their skin colour, their history, their parents, their family, their society, their culture, their nation, Western culture and civilisation more generally, etc."
Umm.. maybe in some country schools you can say 'their' skin colour to mean white, but in Aus we are heading towards the kind of multiculturalism that Rome or London enjoyed at the height of their world-rule.
And, um, nope. As I say, most primary teachers are conservative ladies and PE blokes (hopefully this is changing, but who the fuck would want to be a teacher?)
And kids..? they play sport, have internet friends, travel, have family experiences, shop in their town, watch telly, google trending fucknowisms..
If only schools had the effect on kids you imagine they might @gsco. They'd be stoked, bloke.
Geez B6, you nailed it.
Pollies taking about teachers brainwashing/ indoctrinating students, lucky if the kids pay attention to anything in the class when trying to keep them off Fortnite on their laptops.
Farken stupid argument being brought up by people that do not have a f'n clue.
“ they wont get taught anything negative like the wars between tribes, and just all the negative cultural aspects, especially treatment of women “
But ummmmm :
-“ i dont think you can pigeon hole them “ (but you can …negatively)
gs-co wrote:SR that document is not a scholarly, academic, rigorous journal paper or piece of research. It’s just some random person’s highly biased and irrelevant opinion published in some low ranking, junk open-access Japanese publication archive. I wouldn’t recommend citing or referencing it in your uni studies.
Never claimed it was @gsco. Doesn't need to be.
What it does do is reference valid data and trends based on polls and stats before, during and after the referendum. Hard to argue with hard facts.
gs-co wrote:All complete and utter nonsense - lunatic left progressive liberal woke anti-white person anti-Western culture nonsense and propaganda.
Schoolchildren should be taught a balanced and broad overview of world history, starting at about 5,000BC, and covering all major trends, civilisations, peoples and events since then.
What a complete crock of fucking idiotic bullshit to suggest that students should focus on a particular period of early Australian history, most certainly presented in the most fabricated, extreme, biased, negative and fallacious way in order to indoctrinate and brainwash them into hating themselves, their skin colour, their history, their parents, their family, their society, their culture, their nation, Western culture and civilisation more generally, etc.
Mate, when was the last time you checked the junior high school history syllabus? I think you would find that it covers a broad range of historical periods: ancient Egypt, ancient Greece, ancient Rome, World War One and Two, the Cold War, the Vietnam War, early colonial Australia, Australian Federation, the Aztec, Mayan and Incan civilisations, and more. Each of these periods is only taught relatively briefly and there is no covert agenda to indoctrinate students with a lop-sided view of history. I've never seen students who end up hating themselves and Western civilisation after studying history. Your criticisms are laughable and amount to nothing more than ignorant, histrionic pearl-clutching.
Dont let reality get in the way of the kultcha warrior. The war on woke is real to the crusader-rabbit mind set.
what the hell is going on with this gs-co fella? Are they on the level?
Hiccups wrote:what the hell is going on with this gs-co fella? Are they on the level?
Keep in mind it wasn't so long ago that GSCO was second only to the Global Times for Chinese boosterism, then in the space of about 21 hours he went from unapologetic servant to unapologetic critic, and nuance be damned.
So it goes with every topic he wades into.
Take it as entertainment.
Hiccups wrote:what the hell is going on with this gs-co fella? Are they on the level?
I believe the appropriate term is "zealotry" @Hiccups, right wing zealotry.
Like this gem "All complete and utter nonsense - lunatic left progressive liberal woke anti-white person anti-Western culture nonsense and propaganda.".
The right wing zealots seem to care a bit too much about "lunatic left progressive woke" stuff being taught to school kids, and in universities. They think young people are easily fooled by what they think or fantasize is being taught to them, like the emerging generations don't have any capacity to think critically for themselves. Or learn for themselves, like many here have.
Not my experience with them at all.
They have similar issues with for example drag queens doing library reads for kids, like kids are too stupid to understand drag or are being groomed. It's just a show, and drag queens , some of them, are very adept at putting on an attention grabbing and fun show. It's been that way for a long time. Some great entertainers and brilliant men have occupied that space, here and around the world and throughout history. Western civilised history included.
But the anti woke zealots like gsco are all very quick to find offense or some sinister motive in what normal clear thinking people don't. Like Australian history, it was brutal and harsh and the FNP were dispossessed illegally and violently and murderously, the convict class suffered many harsh deprivations and the lash and the gallows ruled over them as well. It is no wonder that Robert Hughes called his seminal work on Australian History "The Fatal Shore".
Every one should read that book.
There is much skewed and stupid debate and ignorance about our history, the Neo Nazis have triggered another one during the current election by heckling a Welcome to Country at the Anzac Day service. (and points to @Indo for making the distinction between an acknowledgement and welcome on this thread).
But the problem and ignorance and racism doesn't come from school or university curriculums I don't believe, it's deeper than that, it lies in a broader Australian malaise in my opinion.
Fuckwits gonna fuckwit is all I can say.
overthefalls we went through the syllabus in The Voice debate and saw that wrt indigenous studies it is already heavily biased towards anti white person, anti Western culture propaganda and disinformation. We heard reports of children in tears on the classroom and when coming home to parents after being taught it.
stunet you've said that a number of times over the years like there is something wrong with having new life experiences and consequently learning, growing, evolving and changing one's opinion on something. You should try it sometime.
^ Fuckwits gonna fuckwit
‘As a policy, White Australia is gone. But as an ideology, it arguably lingers on. There certainly is a minority who want to “reclaim” an imagined idyllic Australia of yesteryear, with its white monoculture.’
gs-co wrote:overthefalls we went through the syllabus in The Voice debate and saw that wrt indigenous studies it is already heavily biased towards anti white person, anti Western culture propaganda and disinformation. We heard reports of children in tears on the classroom and coming home to parents after being taught it.
stunet you've said that a number of times over the years like there is something wrong with having new life experiences and consequently learning, growing, evolving and changing one's opinion on something. You should try it sometime.
The "reports" you refer to seem dubious, like something from the Sky News playbook, i.e. heavily biased and sensationalist.
gs-co wrote:stunet you've said that a number of times over the years like there is something wrong with having new life experiences and consequently learning, growing, evolving and changing one's opinion on something. You should try it sometime.
Over the years..? You mean last year.
And the point isn't changing your mind, I'm all for progressing thoughts in a manner akin to Keynes: "when the facts change, I change my mind."
But the facts didn't change. You abused and belittled people, exaggerated positions, went over the top on all discussion, then you had a 'life experience' and now you're doing the exact same thing except in the other direction.
In short, you're prone to extreme positions, unable to hold two conflicting thoughts at once, and a terrible thinker - but a good looking bloke apparently.
When you have these bursts of extreme culture war nonsense, I think it's worth remembering who they're coming from.
Uni assignment i did a few years ago. This is my take on things. I'm sure this will ruffle many feathers. I hope so.
Love Blue Diamond x
The Necessity of Reparation for Historic Injustices
Introduction – Compensatory Justice
Disparities between the standards of living of humans on this planet have long been a part of our history on this planet. From the wealthy nations of the West to the developing and undeveloped nations on this globe, the diversity in the quality of life when viewed from a moral standpoint are without a doubt grossly unfair.
In this paper I will look at why historic injustices do require some form of reparation. I take a strong stance that we are more obliged to solve current injustices than to provide reparation for every act of injustice in the past. In doing this I will first investigate the historic injustice of the Aboriginal people of Australia and I will look at the argument that they are entitled to some form of reparation and why.
I will incoroporate some interesting views from Jeremy Waldron, Robert Nozick and others which will help me slowly build to my conclusion that reparation should be in the form of Non Indigenous Australians surrendering some of our priveleges as a form of reparation.
Historic Injustices to Indigenous Australians:
Australia the continent was well inhabited for many years long before white settlement. It is commonly known that in 1788 Australia was colonised as a country under the rule of the British Empire, with total contempt for the fact that it was already inhabited by a native indigenous race of people.
The way the original inhabitants have been treated, including forced assimilation, execution, stolen families and not even allowed to be recognised as citizens for a large part of white Australia’s history are also well known facts. (Poole, 1999,pp114-142)
There exists now a situation where there is a large divide between Aboriginal and non Aboriginal Australian’s that can be traced back to the moment Australia was invaded by English settlers and the brutal and unfair treatment that has followed.
So at this point now, in 2013 what is the just and fair way to make amends for past actions?
I would argue that a moderate to large amount of reparation is overdue for this nation of people, the Aboriginal people. But there are many challenges to this view point especially that of how much reparation, and what sort of compensation.
Past injustices or present suffering?
One of the questions raised in an issue like this is whether it is better to provide compensation or reparation for past deeds, which have already been done in a previous generation and cannot be changed, or whether it is better to now provide assistance to those who are suffering in their current situations and consider that as a form of moral duty.
To understand this we need to delve a little deeper into this issue and hear some differing viewpoints.
Firstly we need to understand what the best way to provide reparation. How do we judge what is the best way of giving back and how much? Jeremy Waldron states “The historic record has a fragility that consists, …in the sheer contingency of what happened in the past” (Waldron,1992,p5 )
This is saying that we can’t trace every single injustice back to the original act therefore reparation for every act would be almost impossible because it would ultimately be guess work.
In this statement he has an objection from Robert Nozick who believes it is in fact possible to address this problem by “changing the present so that it resembles how the past would have looked had the injustice not taken place” (McKenzie, 2013)
This would be a way to ultimately provide maximum reparation, but is it the correct approach? I believe this is a fairly radical approach, although it does have some merits in the fact it would be working in a positive way for indigenous people, I don’t think it is entirely the right way to deal with these issues but it is on the right track.
Waldron argues that it is based on too many unknowns. “The status of counterfactual reasoning about the exercising of human reasoning of human freedom is unclear”(Waldron 1993,p10)
Which leaves the question somewhat open about the sort of reparation that is required, but provides one clear answer to the key question. Both agree that yes, reparation to some extent is required. But how much and in what form?
Another philosopher who leans more towards Waldron’s views is Kymlicka. He is somewhat more straightforward in his assessment that property rights in particular for Aboriginals would create “massive unfairness” and also he maintains the argument “Aboriginal rights must be grounded in concerns about equality and contemporary disadvantage. (McKenzie, 2013) I agree with both these views but I don’t think they provide any active solutions.
The Solution?
So if its not handing back all of Australia’s land to the original inhabitants that is the most appropriate way to deal with past injustices, then what is?
I look at the current country I grew up in, as a white Australian. I ask myself why I never had Aboriginal friends growing up, no understanding of Aboriginal culture and why my basic understanding of Indigenous Australians is mostly 200 years old. I look at our flag, a symbol of a nation that stole a country from its original inhabitants, with no recognition of the Indigenous people at all on it. I see that Australia considered Indigenous people as less than people until only 40 years ago and I see the way that Indigenous Australians live a completely separate life to the way of life I know as an Australian. I see that the only indigenous politician I am aware of is a former Olympian and it is because of this fact of her sporting status that I know this. I see no collective power or representation of Indigenous Australians and I see non Indigenous Australians,( a culture built on a history of stealing a land and mistreating its people) still taking, taking as much out of this land as they can, with little to no regard of sharing or giving to the original inhabitants. I see a government that says lots of words about ‘closing the gap’ and bringing the living standards of non- indigenous and indigenous Australians closer together, but apart from nice words, there is no conviction, no follow through, just assimilation , and all that still remains are injustices.
As stated by Sparrow, “Continuity gives rise to responsibility on part of present generations of Australians for our history”.(McKenzie,2013). Although deeds happened in the past beyond our control, what we do now to either ignore, or rectify these issues will reflect on us in history. So if we choose to do nothing, we are contributing to the history of the mistreatment of non- indigenous Australians. And this is simply unacceptable in my opinion.
Conclusion
So what is fair? I believe that the way forward is a surrendering of some of our privileges as non- indigenous Australians. The simple fact is it was morally wrong without a doubt what has happened in the past. And it is also morally wrong without a doubt to ignore these facts and not offer some form of reparation in the present. But how much?
I think that going back to Robert Nozick’s argument is a start. I think Nozick is wrong to make the present resemble the past in every aspect. But I do think that it would be reasonable to restore some aspects of the way things should be. The things that happened in the past were out of our control and we can’t go back to changing the way things were. But we could change the way things are.
For some examples. Why not give at least 50% of political power to indigenous people? It surely would be a fair thing to do considering this is their country. Media control. 50 percent. Industry. Realestate. The list goes on. Why do we not acknowledge the indigenous people on our flag, or better still use their flag? Why is Australia still a part of the Commonwealth when it serves little purpose to any of us and serves as a constant reminder to Indigenous Australians that they are still controlled by the original invaders. These to me are fairly simple reparations that would have minimal impact on Australia as a whole. Perhaps, it would alter the way we live but I think it is our responsibility, morally to forfeit some of our privileges for the greater good. Basically a little bit goes a long way.
In closing, it is a fact that a huge injustice occurred to the Indigenous population and suffering continues to this day. There is no easy solution to such a burden of pain. I believe the only solutions are for the non- Indigenous population to take responsibility and sacrifice our own way of life to bring about an overall equality. Sacrifice is not an easy word. But it all comes down to right and wrong. We are in a position to give, in this current generation. What are we so scared to lose, that was never ours in the first place??
Bibliography
McKenzie,C.”Prof” (2013), Lecture, Historic Injustices and Indigenous Rights, Macquarie University
Poole, R. (1999). Nation and Identity.Routledge, London, pp.114-142
Waldron,J. (1992). ‘Superseding Historic Injustice’. Ethics, 103 (1), 4-28
References
Poole, R. (1999). Nation and Identity.Routledge, London, pp.114-142
Waldron,J. (1992). ‘Superseding Historic Injustice’. Ethics, 103 (1), 4-28