Carbon construction

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Hastoes started the topic in Saturday, 22 Aug 2020 at 5:03pm

Just entertaining the idea of having a board made fully wrapped in carbon. Anyone been down this road?

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Hastoes commented Saturday, 22 Aug 2020 at 5:03pm

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Hastoes commented Saturday, 22 Aug 2020 at 5:12pm

Im hearing positive things like--- stronger-more durable, lighter, better memory flex .
What would the negatives be apart from the cost? obviously this construction comes with a price, but if its outweighed by the life time of the product hmmmmm

aj

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Liney commented Saturday, 22 Aug 2020 at 6:38pm

Carbon fibre is a very robust form of fibre,used in racing yachts and rowing shells where they want the stiffest construction possible,which will bring up that old chestnut of flex in your boards,ie eps/epoxy v p/u construction.I wouldn’t do it

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Hastoes commented Saturday, 22 Aug 2020 at 7:16pm

Yeah that's what I was thinking, regarding the stiffness of carbon. Was talking to a kneelo dude that lives in the next street about the construction of his boards. He shapes them under the "native" logo/brand. He reckons that he can make em not stiff at all, in fact thinks that his weapons have a better flex than other constructions. I don't know so that's why im asking. This is statement taken from a manufacturer of carbon boards in Nz called "Black Boards".
"The thicker a layer of fibre the stiffer it is. The stiffer a layer of fibre the harder it is to flex. This is why we have designed the first carbon fibre surfboard that has the desired amount of flex at the same time as the required amount of drive! We have achieved this by using a layer that is 0.25mm (more flexible) instead of the thicker 0.35mm to 0.55mm that is on most glass boards."

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Liney commented Saturday, 22 Aug 2020 at 8:07pm

If you want a board to flex,why not use glass instead of a lighter carbon fibre,if the board flexes ,the resin starts to fatigue and that’s why boards lose their liveliness,the difference would only be a minor weight saving,might be time for John from Sanded to chime in.Search the internet for Surfersteve,he was doing something with all carbon fibre boards but it seemed a bit amateurish though.

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Hastoes commented Sunday, 23 Aug 2020 at 6:04am

Cheers Liney, I'll check it out
legend

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icandig commented Sunday, 23 Aug 2020 at 10:07am

Not sure you'll be able to get any boards off them soon, but these guys are going down a recycled Carbon path. Worth a read / watch.
https://www.jucsurf.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=7SBxdEK0hW0&feature=emb_...

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Hastoes commented Sunday, 23 Aug 2020 at 10:32am

cheers icandig

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KookDeVille commented Sunday, 23 Aug 2020 at 10:54am

There's a dude over in the US named Justin Ternes who specialises is Carbon construction. Has done boards for many of the major labels under his Dark Arts moniker.
https://darkartssurf.com
Couple of podcasts kicking around with in-depth interviews with him too.

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ken.vincent commented Sunday, 23 Aug 2020 at 12:23pm

Saw a full Carbon 8 ft mini mal imported from US. Amazingly light weight, totally stiff to the point where it almost rings when you tap it. Blank dissolved via a drain plug, so just air filled.$2500 2nd hand, and the guy that had it said it rode like a really stiff surftech, and was so light you had to be really careful it did not" take off" in an offshore when doing reos ' / top turns.

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adam12 commented Sunday, 23 Aug 2020 at 12:56pm

I've got a Brewer plumeria 7'10'' that's half carbon (hull) and half kevlar (deck), hollow with a plug. Lightest, most flexing board I've ever ridden. Really the only board I've ever felt flex underfoot. Also, due to the kevlar, it's handy in a gunfight.

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Hastoes commented Sunday, 23 Aug 2020 at 11:07pm

Frickn rabbit hole. Now im thinking about basalt Kevlar?? Whilst looking for Nirvana for durable construction, id read the odd intellectual discussion that featured Roy Stewart. Question --- what happened to that Roy Stewart fella that used to comment on these forums? Dude seemed onto it. Looking through some of the archives it seems he was vilified and bullied out of reasonable discussion. Bit of a shame...

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GuySmiley commented Sunday, 23 Aug 2020 at 11:20pm

DVS has been using carbon for years.

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Vic Local commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 2:11pm

Some of the cheap popout imports have been using carbon for years too. And when I say "carbon", I mean sharpie drawn lines around rails and fins.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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brutus commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 3:55pm

used Carbon for a couple of years in France ,for EPS slalom boards.......then surfboards , didn't really work as well as classic blank and stringer....lot broke, filled with water etc...
I work with one of the great Australian composite experts....he says there is NO need for carbon on a surfboard......in fact carbon is detrimental to a surfboards performance , and carbon was just a misused material , it's sexy black....and for a lot of shapers who can't design , using carbon became part of their MO , as they keep rolling out technology as their latest thing!

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indo-dreaming commented Monday, 24 Aug 2020 at 4:50pm

"Just entertaining the idea of having a board made fully wrapped in carbon. Anyone been down this road?"

A guy in Indo had a board fully wrapped in carbon just a standard PU/PE, i can't remember much on how he said it went other than fast.

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Itsmemickyb commented Wednesday, 26 Aug 2020 at 7:51pm

i did a carbon foil board. If you want to do something with carbon give it a shot as its nice and stiff, looks good and a bit of fun doing vacuum bagging etc

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hillaryia commented Wednesday, 2 Sep 2020 at 3:03am

Dude seemed onto it. Looking through some of the archives it seems he was vilified and bullied out of reasonable discussion

https://audacity.vip https://blender.onl https://gimp.cc

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Spuddups commented Monday, 31 Aug 2020 at 5:13am

Roy loved winding people up online. It was a two way street there. He’s a bit of a visionary no doubt though. I rode one of his 12ft paulownia boards once. It was an experience that changed the way I look at surfboards.

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JUC SURF commented Tuesday, 1 Sep 2020 at 8:14pm

Hastoes wrote: Just entertaining the idea of having a board made fully wrapped in carbon. Anyone been down this road?

Hi mate, im Fil, the founder of JUC SURF. We're a startup currently making full carbon fibre boards out of recycled and pristine carbon that have the same flex response as glass. From what we know these are the first boards that have this flex response. I've used carbon fibre for over 10 years so if you have any questions or want to know more message me at anytime.