Webster Spartan Gun

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Island Bay started the topic in Sunday, 27 Jan 2019 at 11:36am

Lots of words written and spoken about the Desert Storm, but I can't find much on The Spartan.

I'm still keen to order an 8'6 DS, but have come to see the sense in something shorter and lower volume. A certain local spot requires the ability to duckdive occasionally and to spin and knife a takeoff, and I think a 7'6 Spartan would be a lot more nimble.

First or second hand knowledge, rumours, wild tales - it's all appreciated.

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Island Bay commented Thursday, 31 Jan 2019 at 7:07am

Nobody seen one? Freeride?

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freeride76 commented Thursday, 31 Jan 2019 at 7:58am

I have seen one, also helped Webby do some content for his website so have heard his spiel on it......I won't post here without his permission but I know its what Webby himself rides in Hawaii and it sounds exactly what you are looking for.

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Island Bay commented Thursday, 31 Jan 2019 at 8:01am

Cheers, mate.
Webby said exactly as much.

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Island Bay commented Tuesday, 9 Jul 2019 at 7:49am

Picked up my 7'6 Spartan from Webby last Sunday, and got to surf it at my local today. Not as big, nor as clean as I'd hoped, but a very powerful 6ft with serious chop at times.

First wave I thought it felt sluggish and not great, but then I got my feet in the right spot and caught some bigger waves, and it flew. Only 10 waves on it, but so far it's everything I could have wished for.

Hope the images will show. Hooray, they did! Oh, and it's 7'6 x 19 3/4 x 2 7/8. And I'm 6'1 x 80kg x 55yo.



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freeride76 commented Tuesday, 9 Jul 2019 at 7:54am

whoooeeee.
sleek!

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Island Bay commented Tuesday, 9 Jul 2019 at 8:09am

Beauty, aye!

And can I just add, that Webby is a real pleasure to deal with. After all the back and forth emails, we met up on a Sunday as he was busy getting ready for Indo. I was really careful to not waste any of his time, but we ended up chatting for a good while, and looking at some of his other board models (Wacko and Mod Rocker, yes please!).

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Gary G commented Tuesday, 9 Jul 2019 at 1:13pm

Gary enjoys ogling that stick, IB

I’ve created a monster. Cause nobody wants to ride faceys no more, they want Gary; I’m chopped liver.

But if ya want Gary this is what I’ll give ya: a little creatine kiss from a hard licker

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 9 Jul 2019 at 8:09pm

Very nice indeed.

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Cotter commented Sunday, 24 May 2020 at 1:55pm

Hey Island Bay, just wondering if you have anything more to say about the Spartan model?
I've been looking at them on his website and like the look of this model.
Obviously looking at both the Spartan and Desert storm, seems the spartan could be more versatile in different style waves. Both look like epic boards though
Cheers

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Island Bay commented Sunday, 24 May 2020 at 2:32pm

Hey Cotter.

I can't quite compare the two, as my DS is a 6'10 and the Spartan a 7'6. That they're the same volume says something, though :-)

The Spartan is much more foiled, has slimmer rails, can be duck dived when the DS resists that. It feels more nimble in that it can be manoeuvred quickly to paddle for a wave, when the swing weight of the DS slows it down a little.

The Spartan feels more refined and 'slicey', whereas the DS is more brute force (albeit surprisingly alive when you get the foot back on the tail. That Spartan looks and feels like a barrel board.

I got the Spartan for waves where you have to whip around and go in a flash, often late, and it is excellent for that. If I were a Pipe surfer, I'd say it would be perfect for a wave like that. Or for good size Indo waves.

I haven't surfed it for three months (lockdown), but every time I do, I love it. It's a beautiful, clean shape, and it makes you want to surf good waves well.

This is me riffing on distant memories of good waves, having just come in from 1ft longboard waves, haha. Ask me some good questions, and I might just be able to make a little more sense.

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goofyfoot commented Sunday, 24 May 2020 at 3:05pm

I’ve got a question!

If you were in Indo and in front of you was 8 foot hollow waves what board would you surf?

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goofyfoot commented Sunday, 24 May 2020 at 3:08pm

I’ve got another one!

Now if you were in NZ in winter head to toe rubber with 8 foot barrels what board?

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Island Bay commented Sunday, 24 May 2020 at 3:45pm

Haha, it's 4/3 booties and a hood now over here.

#1: Spartan.

#2: Clean and perfect, prob Spartan. Normal choppy conditions, DS.

I'd happily ride either - and kook it and get smashed :-)

Edit: That last remark was just to highlight that I'm not some semi-pro hellman, just an ageing punter trying to get into more solid waves.

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Bnkref commented Sunday, 24 May 2020 at 6:21pm

IB have you gone for a quad set up in your DS? Picked up a second hand 6’10 a few weeks ago. Dying to get it in the water. In hindsight, yesterday would have been perfect here to get a warm up surf on it before giving it a go in solid stuff. It was a really nice 4-5ft+ point day with a long-period swell.

Seems that most people recommend the quad for the DS.

That Spartan of yours looks incredible.

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Island Bay commented Sunday, 24 May 2020 at 6:31pm

Bnkref, as per my post above, don't take my opinion as any sort of gospel at all.

But for what it's worth I really like it as a quad. Mine's an FCS2 setup, and medium Accelerator fronts with small to med double-foil rears have worked best for me. Much better than with AM fronts (too rakey in a quad setup, I think).

I know that Blowin rides his as a thruster.

Experiment, is my advice.

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Bnkref commented Sunday, 24 May 2020 at 8:40pm

Thanks for that. Appreciate it.

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Solitude commented Sunday, 24 May 2020 at 8:42pm

I bet Webster will be busy with step / gun orders after this run of swell. If only it was like this more often

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Cotter commented Sunday, 24 May 2020 at 9:36pm

Thanks for the reply Island bay. Always good to hear from someone that has ridden the boards, even if they are different in size.
I’m hoping to try visit the shop and compare the two models next time I’m up the coast.
I usually ride boards that are pretty big on volume. My everyday board is a 6’1, 34L, and my step up is a 6’4, just under 35L.
I’m 6’3 and about 89kg, so I’m a fan of extra volume.
But recently rode a 7’1 pyzel that was quite thin ( not sure what model as it had no markings) and that felt like it might be a little more similar to the Spartan.
If I can get up there to look at both models no doubt it’s probably the best way.

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Cotter commented Sunday, 24 May 2020 at 9:38pm

Yea Solitude, will be plenty of orders coming his way you’d think.!
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Island Bay commented Monday, 25 May 2020 at 10:52am

Maybe even a few Black Hulas :-)

https://www.instagram.com/p/CAl1s3ZHXXG/

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quadzilla commented Wednesday, 17 Jun 2020 at 6:35am

Anyone looking for a Spartan?

8/6x19.75xcant remember.

Its at Sanbah in Newy,been there a week or more.

850,no idea what the new price on these is?

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udo commented Wednesday, 17 Jun 2020 at 6:47am

Thickness is 3 inches @ 52 litres

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Island Bay commented Wednesday, 17 Jun 2020 at 8:45am

Quadzilla, guessing $950 or thereabouts for a custom 8’6.

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joesydney commented Wednesday, 17 Jun 2020 at 2:53pm

DS 6'6 - by far the best step-up I have ridden, my brief was give me something that will paddle well and make waves...…

https://i.imgur.com/0ylWPRP.jpg

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freeride76 commented Wednesday, 17 Jun 2020 at 3:09pm

nice shot mate.

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stunet commented Wednesday, 17 Jun 2020 at 3:20pm

All this talk about 12 foot guns that can shrink to six-foot-something and essentially remain the same board? Not the same size obviously but still hold onto enough characteristics to be called the same model.

I've been a doubting Thomas but have relented and got Stretch to work the curves of a Comp Gun (about which his website says,"optimum size is in the 9’0”-10’0” range, though it's offered in sub-8' lengths") down to a 6'3".

He didn't like doing it, though it'll be ready in a few weeks.

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Island Bay commented Wednesday, 17 Jun 2020 at 3:39pm

Stu, I can understand your scepticism.

There are lots of boards that I wouldn't want to neither scale up nor down significantly. And there are probably plenty of surfers that wouldn't rave about a short DS.

But there's something about the grunty yet smooth feel of it that transcends size. It makes you want to surf a bit like Mogwai - quiet quiet LOUD. Pick a line through a hairy section and just feel the energy of the wave, then heave through a big hack.

It's obviously hard to explain, but it can be quite a meditative experience as it encourages you to take it a bit slow (like on a good single fin), but then has this almost violently powerful side to its personality.

I'd guess that a man with your connections would be able to try out a few different sizes. Aren't there a few floating about on the south coast?

And yes, nice pic, Joe!

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stunet commented Wednesday, 17 Jun 2020 at 3:43pm

Mogwai, eh? There's tonight's cooking playlist sorted...

Prolly could source a Webby DS, but I wanted to run it as an experiment of sorts, and I've got two Stretch Comp Guns, so will the 6'3" share some identifiable characteristics with them?

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Island Bay commented Wednesday, 17 Jun 2020 at 3:58pm

Looking forward to hearing how your efforts go.

Enjoy the tunes.

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Bnkref commented Wednesday, 17 Jun 2020 at 7:35pm

Mogwai? Brilliant analogy. Not that I've got my DS wet yet but I like the way you think.

There are loads and loads of recordings on here. A lot I want to listen to. Gave Mogwai a spin the other day. From 2006.

https://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs/2020/05/29/864470936/stream-over-1...

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freeride76 commented Wednesday, 17 Jun 2020 at 7:37pm

I like the way you think too IB