Australia - you're standing in it
The calls for this necessary debate will get stronger.
Scrap Aukus now and redirect $$ to self sustainability in defence...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/06/donald-trump-tarif...
Here comes (zee) Karen’s
https://x.com/7NewsAdelaide/status/1909443466612162586
haha, apparently euro mate apologised, and an army recreational fishers turned up next day.. including the kids involved : )
andy-mac wrote:The calls for this necessary debate will get stronger.
Scrap Aukus now and redirect $$ to self sustainability in defence...https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/06/donald-trump-tarif...
It gets mentioned regularly but I don't think the U.S. is going to let Australia go very easily.
AndyM wrote:andy-mac wrote:The calls for this necessary debate will get stronger.
Scrap Aukus now and redirect $$ to self sustainability in defence...https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/06/donald-trump-tarif...
It gets mentioned regularly but I don't think the U.S. is going to let Australia go very easily.
Yep reckon Morrison got us in probably the worst spot for our national interest in our country's history.
We are now officially a vessal state, guess maybe we always were as Gough found out.
We cannot get out and no doubt will be forced into some trade war or hot war with our biggest trading partner, the main source of our wealth as a nation...
What a fuck up......
basesix wrote:haha, apparently euro mate apologised, and an army recreational fishers turned up next day.. including the kids involved : )
Haha was a bit over zee top.
to us out in the sticks, it is always clear when we hear these stories, that if you live on top of other monkeys, you need more rules about everything, fishing, 4wds, leggies, paid parking, backyard chooks, easements and boundaries, approved colourbond (sic).. it's just the deal, and the benefit is access to more jobs and infrastructure. "choices are the hinges of destiny" as a guy with a hoe once said.
Miserable old carrot cakes. I hope their grandkids kick em in the retired parts!
haha, yup, an interloper having to tolerate that shit while living on the edge of a Delfin-constructed 'lake' in a city of churches, offices and trees where once was natural wetlands and grass plains where for millennia children fished and hunted with their fathers?
little fuckers were trying to regress the place.
Is Delfin a developer?
Kids ruining nature?
Ooh sounds absolutzee horrid.
No different to anywhere these days. Cram those ratepayers in councils.
seeds wrote:Is Delfin a developer?
Kids ruining nature?
Seeds. Hi mate.
Delfin Property Group, once part of Lend Lease Pty. Ltd.
Basesix described it to a tee.
They come in, clear everything bar a few mature trees, sell tiny subdivision lots at astronomical prices, always place a body of water somewhere to stooge buyers into thinking ‘they’ve run to paradise’ and convince them of the wonderful (not) ecosystem they’ve created.
Many home owners then plant large deciduous trees because ‘natives are too messy’ that then buckle up footpaths and then they complain about all of the Autumn leaves blocking their drainage strainer on their little aquatic creek paradise.
Those fuckwits who had a crack were just protecting their selfish little bit of a horrid landscape.
If a bioassay was conducted on the vegetation and aquatic systems you’d find household and other chemicals in cellular life, all leaching away from homes, car detergents, herbicide, fungicide, rodenticide and others.
These subdivisions are a blight on what was once a natural system landscape as duly described by Basesix.
In my previous line of work, I stayed well away from that type of shit. AW
If this isn’t worth a serious in-depth discussion then I don’t know what is.
Would we ever consider some sort of national service?
With such a diverse nation, are we prepared as a society to give back to the country?
"In a way, the strength of a nation's robustness and security is the quality of its people and their willingness to contribute," he says.
"It doesn't matter how powerful a submarine fleet or an air force we may or may not have one day, if you have a population that effectively says, 'we're not interested in risk and responsibility to protect the things that we enjoy [as] part of this society', then you've effectively surrendered all of that other capability."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-14/could-finland-prepper-mindset-be-...
We don’t need national service, but what about hundreds of well maintained underground armouries around the country and train anyone interested as a volunteer eg..like trades people etc how to operate and maintain weaponry.
Like Israel without the conscription.
Then we have hundreds of thousands of capable people with limited access to a locked up army run and controlled armoury…
No one would think of invading us then.
Who’s currently thinking of invading Australia ? Seriously.
Hundreds of armouries controlled by barely trained volunteers?
Yeah nah.
The army dopey…read it again…but you’d rather conscription.
Supafreak wrote:Who’s currently thinking of invading Australia ? Seriously.
Supafreak. Hi mate. Hope you’re well.
Thankfully some one out there shares my view. I reiterate your sentiments, who the fuck is going to invade Australia.
As a nation we’ve always played the fear game, it silently keeps us all in check, apparently.
Stop spending billions or giving billions to other nations for military goods.
It’s simply not going to happen. AW
Supafreak wrote:Who’s currently thinking of invading Australia ? Seriously.
tassie seems a bit snarky lately.
maybe @IB and @poo-man, too..
shit! he's here isn't he??
the NZealander?
and @only-sams just defected..
shit!
(pragmatic stockpiling turned into national service in one fell whatevs.
one makes sense, one is old-man associative hysteria..
the Finns are fucking amazing ^, not long ago they had nothing
without first suckling at the Russo mastitic teat,
covertly doing all their Finn art and philosophy via Sweden..)
Could be from within….there are a lot of clueless people in Melbourne who may take up arms against the sane people….ha ha.
…especially if the libs got back in…lefty insurrection…mass hysteria….led by the frowny man from trades house…..im in a silly mood eh.
I’ve said it before, I think some sort of national service (not necessarily military) could be good for everyone.
It could take the edges of a selfish, divided society.
Optimist wrote:Could be from within….there are a lot of clueless people in Melbourne who may take up arms against the sane people….ha ha.
…especially if the libs got back in…lefty insurrection…mass hysteria….led by the frowny man from trades house…..im in a silly mood eh.
Optimist. Hi.
Have you been having red wine before your pizza, again ?
I’m drowning in your saliva from all that dribble. AW
yeh, I hear that @AndyM.. entitledness is the cancer of our society.
fucking flat out. entitled arseholes and their entitled kids.
a generic (not militarily driven) national service sabbatical
would give siloed youth a chance to see who Australians actually are
and have a pause and a think about what we are all doing here..
I reckon @Alfred could take a few lads out to learn about flora..
with your scando knowings @AW, what do you think on a national service here?
non-military of course, what arse would want that? what was that green army thing?
My nephew ( 36 yo ) is in Bali for a month, first time overseas. Came to get his teeth done and some tattoos. He is blown away by everything around him and has suddenly a huge gratitude for being born in Australia and the realisation of how good he actually has it . Maybe just send young Australian’s to a third world country for a week to give them a wake up call .
basesix wrote:yeh, I hear that @AndyM.. entitledness is the cancer of our society.
fucking flat out. entitled arseholes and their entitled kids.
a generic (not militarily driven) national service sabbatical
would give siloed youth a chance to see who Australians actually are
and have a pause and a think about what we are all doing here..I reckon @Alfred could take a few lads out to learn about flora..
with your scando knowings @AW, what do you think on a national service here?
non-military of course, what arse would want that? what was that green army thing?
@basesix, @AndyM. Hi to you both.
The green army thing was a bit of a failure. When I was the Construction Manager for Surfrider Foundation on the Surf Coast, we had them with us twice to assist with planting tubestock.
I’ve always been of the attitude that application and motivation begin at home, with guidance from parents first and foremost.
Most of the young ones were unmotivated, they were only present because they had to, often lazy and whining about things like it’s too cold or too windy, you could tell many of them had probably never helped at home with tasks like mowing the lawn , gardening etc.
They all came in uniforms with great clobber and expensive work boots.
I felt like I had to put a firecracker under most of them.
A notable problem with young upcoming people about to enter the workforce is , after talking to a lot of them, the hour they go to bed is horrendous, 11pm-1am range, you simply can’t perform dutifully the next day. I don’t care what anyone says, you need quality sleep.
Alas, there’s always a few who are very interested and motivated, I found the same ratio of students when I taught at TAFE.
But, the teacher or the coordinator on the day must make it interesting also, it cuts both ways, don’t just use them like labour donkeys, explain to them why we are planting indigenous flora , teach them plant basics, make connections to what animals and insects may become part of the ecosystem.
When you show them the life science behind what they’re doing they definitely become interested.
Again, my opinion only, it really does start at home with parenting.
I’ve still got students from voluntary groups, from TAFE and a couple of universities who spend time with me in the field.
It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling seeing how much they’ve learnt over the years but more so, that they are still genuinely interested..
As AndyM has stated a few days across various subject matters, education is the key, no matter what level it’s delivered at.
National Service, again , only my opinion, I’m not sure about when you force someone to do something they don’t want to do whether you are actually going to end up with a better model citizen, no doubt it works for some but others I’m. not sure. AW
yeh, great post @AW.. forcing anyone to do anything.. yet going for your licence.. getting a tfnumber.. lotsa examples. probably national driven without state tweaks is super weird.. countries that do it have a history and a reason, so it has been successful or has failed..
the scandos, as you know, have made it a rite of passage thing, where you make lifelong friends while doing the lefty government coming of age socialism thing.
it certainly does start at home @AW. so sad some come from super average homes.
tough.. when disenfranchisement becomes trans generational. there's no finding where the sticky tape starts when it goes that far. The immigrants have helped (as much as they are allowed) pull useless fucks out of their own arse around here. It is invaluable for yoof to see a perspective on Aussie where there's genuine gratitude not just hot air.. We need more of that.
Much more.
Wherever you go. There you are.
basesix wrote:yeh, great post @AW.. forcing anyone to do anything.. yet going for your licence.. getting a tfnumber.. lotsa examples. probably national driven without state tweaks is super weird.. countries that do it have a history and a reason, so it has been successful or has failed..
the scandos, as you know, have made it a rite of passage thing, where you make lifelong friends while doing the lefty government coming of age socialism thing.
it certainly does start at home @AW. so sad some come from super average homes.
tough.. when disenfranchisement becomes trans generational. there's no finding where the sticky tape starts when it goes that far. The immigrants have helped (as much as they are allowed) pull useless fucks out of their own arse around here. It is invaluable for yoof to see a perspective on Aussie where there's genuine gratitude not just hot air.. We need more of that.
Much more.
Wherever you go. There you are.
Basesix. Hi. Me again.
I know you’re aware of my Scandinavian connection, my nephew in Sweden and other males of that family served their two years in National Service, most disliked it, some loved it because they learnt a skill or trades.
They had every reason to complain about the climate, as superbly kitted out as you’d need to be at those latitudes especially in Winter, the echoing sounds in my ears when chatting to them about the experience, was FUCKING cold especially inside the Arctic Circle.
I’ve still got some of their army issue thermal leggings, so good. AW
gawd I feel I deserve a hands in the air for sending you the short little rollick "The Year of the Hare" by Arto Paasilinna as a tentative foray into immersive fiction..
basesix wrote:yeh, I hear that @AndyM.. entitledness is the cancer of our society.
fucking flat out. entitled arseholes and their entitled kids.
a generic (not militarily driven) national service sabbatical
would give siloed youth a chance to see who Australians actually are
and have a pause and a think about what we are all doing here..I reckon @Alfred could take a few lads out to learn about flora..
with your scando knowings @AW, what do you think on a national service here?
non-military of course, what arse would want that? what was that green army thing?
Yeah you got it.
AW, that was a superb post above and I agree 100% with everything. If I could add- I reckon doing chores from as young an age as possible. Taking personal responsibility for your possessions, that and respecting others and earning your keep. It saddens me these days to see kids just handed tons of cash and gear outside of birthdays and Christmas having done nothing to earn it. To them it holds no value let alone the effort required to pay for it.
I'm all for doing the dishes, making your bed, mowing the lawn, picking up dad from the pub.
The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.