That’s weird, that’s queer, that’s crazy, that deserves a long hard look.

If you ever want to have a look the most recent article comments, but not see the forums, @andy-mac, you can drop
" https://www.swellnet.com/welcome? " into your address bar. Dunno why it works.
It has some jolly and colourful editors pics from '21, wotd, but no forum, which can be refreshing.
(Perhaps it shows pest-posters what SN would look like if the forums ever became too much of a pain to bother maintaining.) Anyway, have a good day mate.

Roadkill wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

bonza wrote:

Standard stuff from the useful idiots here and elsewhere who hate Israel . Attack condemn and deny everything Israel says at every opportunity in accordance with Hamas social media propaganda. Remain silent when the evidence proves otherwise. Wash rinse repeat.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/united-nations-ha...

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fatality-data-h...

https://www.cfr.org/blog/un-halves-its-estimate-women-and-children-kille...

The useful idiots here will be on right side of history mate.
You would have been calling Nelson Mandela a terrorist and encouraging them to nuke Vietnam.

Opposing genocide does not make you anti semitic, your failure to understand this simple point says more about you and your heartless mates....

Anyway I'm out... This attitude is sickening to me. Look at the footage coming out of Gaza and you are going on about figures of 1000's of people being butchered with no where they can go, journos and aid convoys being deliberately targeted, and famine already taking hold.
But hey it Hamas's fault.

But hey it Hamas's fault….well, it is.

The inability of andy to even acknowledge the lies is no surprise.

Who created Hamas Einstein?
Hint, he now runs Israel.

That's your defence?
Next week you will be saying Hamas attack on 7 October didn't happen.

Ok I'll bite.
Yes, the Hamas attack happened, but did not happen in a vacuum.
Hamas also had a bit of help financially and politically from Bibi himself ey.
I have said from the start that there needn't to be a response. However, an indiscriminate invasion/ occupation will not have any winners or good outcomes for Israel or the Palestinians for the reasons we are exactly seeing unfold now.
Israel cannot win this war or occupation any more than the USA could in Iraq or Afghanistan, they have now strengthened Hamas support in Palestine, and are becoming an international pariah.
This will only get worse for them as it drags on and more and more imagery of dead or starving kids come out of Gaza.
It will probably bankrupt them as Israel's economy cannot handle continual war, and how long will the USA keep the weapons and funds flowing?
Also, how long can people and families in Israel put up with their reservist forces and regular IDF coming home in body bags?
They have created a generation now who will be looking for revenge for this carnage, great recruitment drive for Hamas and other Islamic extremist forces.
The Palestinians will not be going anywhere making a peaceful outcome or 2 state solution extremely difficult.
What is their solution?
As another commentor claims, Hamas have 80% support from regular Palestinians which I have no idea if true or not.
They cannot destroy Hamas as stated as their end goal.
If that being the case Israels only end game can be to move them off the land or kill them all, and that is genocide.
Is that what you are suggesting?
If not, what do you see as a viable solution?

I don't know the solution tbh. But I do think Israel should cease military operations and negotiate to get the hostages released.

andy, do you think Palestinians have the ability to know right from wrong? are they able to know murdering someone for religious reasons is wrong? do they comprehend that the extermination of all jews is not a valid outcome for their future? Because it seems to me that you are blaming Israel for all future outcomes and the poor Palestinians get a free pass to carry on their Jihad of death and destruction.

Yo, andy. Are you taking the cowards route again? Remain silent?
How about you answer this?

Try answering this, andy.

Give it a shot why don’t you?

Ok I will endeavour to put it in a very simplistic holistic view for you.

I believe all humans can be good or bad, and does not depend on their race, religion, political views, sexuality, gender or any other variable.
I also believe that good people are capable of doing 'bad' things and bad people are capable of doing 'good' things under certain circumstances, I came to understand this after reading books, not youtube videos.
I suggest you read some of Chris Hedges experiences in the Balkan wars in some of his books as he was there are what he wrote about the human condition in extreme circumstances.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/60836825-the-greatest-evil-is-war

basesix wrote:

If you ever want to have a look the most recent article comments, but not see the forums, @andy-mac, you can drop
" https://www.swellnet.com/welcome? " into your address bar. Dunno why it works.
It has some jolly and colourful editors pics from '21, wotd, but no forum, which can be refreshing.
(Perhaps it shows pest-posters what SN would look like if the forums ever became too much of a pain to bother maintaining.) Anyway, have a good day mate.

Cheers Basesix.
I was just wondering how and why I got sucked back into this.
Not doing me any good, will stick with watching the WA cams wishing I was there. :)

...you're a good egg andy-mac
- ignore the eggspurts ;)

https://m.

& b6
...the ever vigilant observer, eye of the storm ;)

https://m.

Jelly Flater wrote:

...you're a good egg andy-mac
- ignore the eggspurts ;)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qf3Or2Umbbo

Cheers.

basesix wrote:

If you ever want to have a look the most recent article comments, but not see the forums, @andy-mac, you can drop
" https://www.swellnet.com/welcome? " into your address bar. Dunno why it works.
It has some jolly and colourful editors pics from '21, wotd, but no forum, which can be refreshing.
(Perhaps it shows pest-posters what SN would look like if the forums ever became too much of a pain to bother maintaining.) Anyway, have a good day mate.

Bloody oath @basesix. Good call. Also the winki cam is a damn good change of scenery right now
Yew. And good egg agreed JF. Lotta good eggs here.

Just reinforces looking at the WA cams (newbies) and Winki, I live in the wrong state. Vicco too cold... haha

....there is, after all, like um a story ;)
- you gotta know ummm like the history and stuff

Coz the prophecy is at hand in the promised land and ummm
- take heed, beware, prepare.... take care ;);)

https://m.

https://m.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/not-appropriate-anthony-albane...

I am NOT the "other" who guoted the 80% of gazans "support" hamas.
I said 85% of palestinians (gaza) voted for hamas in the elections in 2006(5?)...fact.
Thats where hamas intimitated, threatened, and murdered the opposition and after winning power took over ALL of the govt agency's and $$$.
18yrs of turning all of gaza into a siege fortress...18 freakin yrs and the ppl kept it secret?
Allso the week following 7/10 saudi arabia was going to recognise the state of israel as a legitamite nation and there was going to be an official ceremony to the world to see. which really pissed off ALL of the islamic neighbours.
Well hamas put a stop to that!!

;)

https://m.

Jeweybell ;)

andy-mac wrote:

."" It’s the same as Hamas and nearly all Palestinians want the total eradication of Jews…again..an uncomfortable truth that the same people fail to acknowledge"'

Yep that's it!
It could never be they just want a normal life where they could bring their kids up in peace and safety ey.
They must be sub human or something to be that evil, kind of like the Germans are hey...
Yeah you have convinced me, better to kill as many as possible and drive them off their land, ooops I mean Israel's God given territory bestowed by Yahweh...

@ Seeds

Here is some more history for you, you know what Yahweh is?

It's kind of used as lord or god, but it actually has lots more history on how it came to mean that.

The Canaanites(long gone) are the true indigenous people of the Israel/Palestine area which they called Canna, they practiced a religion with many different gods kind of like Hinduism but more in the look and feel of Egyptian gods.

Yahweh was the deity of creation and over time the Israelites only worshiped this god which formed the basis of Judaism about 3,000 years ago(some claim longer) about 1,000 years before Christianity and 1,600 years before Islam.

So yes Judaism developed out of an ancient Indigenous Canaanite religion.

Hebrew was also the language of the Canaanites and is the language the ancient Jews used and Torah was written in and language Jews use today the only living indigenous language of Israel/Palestine.

However Jews who remained in Israel during Roman colonisation were forbidden from using Hebrew and lost the language and it was also lost by Jews who fled to Europe, other middle east countries, Africa and India. ( i guess all only using the languages of places they fled too)

However in the late 19th century one Jewish man who had moved back to Israel (at the time renamed by Romans Palestine) dedicated his life to bringing the language back learning it and making his family speak it and then the Jewish community to the point Hebrew was reborn.

Arabs/Palestinians on the other hand speak Arabic and practice Islam both from other area of the middle east brought in during the Turkish Ottoman empire period aboiut 7,000 BC

Both Israel population and Palestinian population have small amounts of Canaanite DNA, so neither are truly indigenous but as you can see the Jews have the closer connection to culture of the Canaanites through language and religion and some cultural aspects/practice's through religious ritual.

Geez Louise @Indo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_grandmother_to_suck_eggs

hominid-splaining a thing?

I’m happy if it becomes the Ren and Stimpy thread. Remember seeing the show for the first time at sunrise in the 90’s still tripping. Was an hilarious show for the time and so weird compared to earlier animation.

yeh, that show kinda died quick, like our hopes for a magical engaging future tho huh?
(have some influence, RK, mind yer sheep, maintain yer fences,
what the hell is this thing that is now a charged, topical, time capsule?)

- ummm yeth um more hithtory, yahweh or tha highway

https://m.

;)

https://m.

bali only for that one, Supa.. no can see..

basesix wrote:

bali only for that one, Supa.. no can see..

Really ? I just shared from YouTube , always worked before . It was SNL beavis & butthead

If I ever went into business manufacturing bathroom scales it would be under the brand name "Yahweh".

haha, adam12 (not sure if this is the one Supa, but it's pretty funny)

Haha Adam12. In my case, too much!

basesix wrote:

haha, adam12 (not sure if this is the one Supa, but it's pretty funny)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk4L55ISIE
#emojismakethingssomuchfunnier

Yep , that’s the one , weird that my link didn’t work. Excellent make up job on those two.

try the link again, that's weird..

Supafreak wrote:

Yep , that’s the one , weird that my link didn’t work. Excellent make up job on those two.

The person who posted the one you linked had a geolocation block. No soup for us so to speak. It wouldn’t show at your end. V funny tho, thanks for sharing.

^^ @info again stridently defends Israel on the basis of recent land occupation while ignoring, no totally disrespectfully denying, 60,000 years of continuous guardianship of a continent by our indigenous nations. #whatsortoflowinfoarsewetwipeishe?

Was very funny. I recognise Ryan Gosling but who was the other guy?

I think it was the real Butt-Head.

You’re not shitting, with the ability to hold his lips like that!

https://youtube.com/shorts/zPyY5fyUBxw?si=NEb7862pqGWD-0BR

Indo…if you look up ‘Abraham’ …’Hebrew Patriarch’ in the Britannica… you will see where the hebrews started. A very good read for you ….more accurate.

Optimist wrote:

Indo…if you look up ‘Abraham’ …’Hebrew Patriarch’ in the Britannica… you will see where the hebrews started. A very good read for you ….more accurate.

Yeah ive read and listened(mostly historical podcast) to as many views and accounts, including the bible related one's and will continue to do so pretty much daily, but with all respect just because its written in the bible doesn't mean its true, we dont even know if Abraham was a real person, we dont even know if many of the events in the bible are true mostly the events before the 3000BCE period we just dont have historical evidence or collaborating stories from other groups of people to support things, they are what you call mythology written by often more than one person over periods of time. (often long periods)

Much of it certainly isn't true like the ages of Adam (930 years), Noah (950 years), Abraham (175 years), Jacob (147 years), and even Moses (120 years) or rthe creation story or Noahs ark which isnt a good sign for other stories from that very early period.

However there is historical evidence for some of the events written latter that are said to have happened in the land of Israel or surrounding areas(not miracle's etc) but around places, kings, battles etc

For instance if Abraham was from Iraq and his children and ethic group Hebrew's/Israelites were originally seperate from other groups why didn't they use a language from Iraq or if they had been in Egypt so long why didn't they use an Egyptian based dialect? If they were slaves they would have had to have learnt it.

The historical evidence especially of language and roots of Judaism seems to suggest that they were most likely a group that emerge out of Canaanites that then became the main group over time not necessarily by force but the religious aspects, culture, lifestyle just became more attractive to the majority.

BTW. In regard to Abraham supposedly he was buried at the "Cave of the Patriarchs" in Hebron smack bang in the middle of the West Bank, this sight after the temple mount is the second most important site to Jews and is built with the same bricks as the second temple (some walls of which still stand)

And you guessed it again the Arab Muslim have tried to claim it as their own.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs

Understanding all these sites etc is important, people really dont understand how important the West bank area is to Jews, its actually the most important area to them in every way, historically , culturally and religiously, the problem is when Arab muslims took over it also became the most important area to them too.

There is also countless other smaller temple remains and burial chamber's all over the land, some have even been discovered when new building are built etc

This link is an interesting read, obviously these are only opinions but there is some good points.

"Was Abraham a real person?"
https://www.quora.com/Was-Abraham-a-real-person

After watching this from another thread I would say.
No
No
No

Crikey Indo the Jews have a record of Abraham’s whole family tree so he was real.
They were very serious and educated record keepers.
Copies of those same records were also found in your Dead Sea caves you were stoked on.
He left Ur on his own to travel and when in Canaan God said he would inherit this land one day and that day came and became the land of Israel which was all of todays Palestine. The so called Palestinians who really are just Gazans could easily work with Israel but are subject to their Islamic religions mission statement which is to wipe out the Jews.
So while Iran is pulling their strings there can never be peace. It’s a real shame because Israel help all their Arab neighbours who are friendly to them.
History shows their ancestors, the sons of Abraham were step brothers.
One becoming the Jewish race and the other the Arab.
They should be on the same page religiously but Mohammad took many Arabs off track to his new modern religion and created the strong division for personal gain.
It wasn't hard for him to find his jihad suicide squad who would rather die than not have the money, power and women that he promised them and so it goes on to this day.

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

bonza wrote:

Standard stuff from the useful idiots here and elsewhere who hate Israel . Attack condemn and deny everything Israel says at every opportunity in accordance with Hamas social media propaganda. Remain silent when the evidence proves otherwise. Wash rinse repeat.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/united-nations-ha...

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fatality-data-h...

https://www.cfr.org/blog/un-halves-its-estimate-women-and-children-kille...

The useful idiots here will be on right side of history mate.
You would have been calling Nelson Mandela a terrorist and encouraging them to nuke Vietnam.

Opposing genocide does not make you anti semitic, your failure to understand this simple point says more about you and your heartless mates....

Anyway I'm out... This attitude is sickening to me. Look at the footage coming out of Gaza and you are going on about figures of 1000's of people being butchered with no where they can go, journos and aid convoys being deliberately targeted, and famine already taking hold.
But hey it Hamas's fault.

But hey it Hamas's fault….well, it is.

The inability of andy to even acknowledge the lies is no surprise.

Who created Hamas Einstein?
Hint, he now runs Israel.

That's your defence?
Next week you will be saying Hamas attack on 7 October didn't happen.

Ok I'll bite.
Yes, the Hamas attack happened, but did not happen in a vacuum.
Hamas also had a bit of help financially and politically from Bibi himself ey.
I have said from the start that there needn't to be a response. However, an indiscriminate invasion/ occupation will not have any winners or good outcomes for Israel or the Palestinians for the reasons we are exactly seeing unfold now.
Israel cannot win this war or occupation any more than the USA could in Iraq or Afghanistan, they have now strengthened Hamas support in Palestine, and are becoming an international pariah.
This will only get worse for them as it drags on and more and more imagery of dead or starving kids come out of Gaza.
It will probably bankrupt them as Israel's economy cannot handle continual war, and how long will the USA keep the weapons and funds flowing?
Also, how long can people and families in Israel put up with their reservist forces and regular IDF coming home in body bags?
They have created a generation now who will be looking for revenge for this carnage, great recruitment drive for Hamas and other Islamic extremist forces.
The Palestinians will not be going anywhere making a peaceful outcome or 2 state solution extremely difficult.
What is their solution?
As another commentor claims, Hamas have 80% support from regular Palestinians which I have no idea if true or not.
They cannot destroy Hamas as stated as their end goal.
If that being the case Israels only end game can be to move them off the land or kill them all, and that is genocide.
Is that what you are suggesting?
If not, what do you see as a viable solution?

I don't know the solution tbh. But I do think Israel should cease military operations and negotiate to get the hostages released.

andy, do you think Palestinians have the ability to know right from wrong? are they able to know murdering someone for religious reasons is wrong? do they comprehend that the extermination of all jews is not a valid outcome for their future? Because it seems to me that you are blaming Israel for all future outcomes and the poor Palestinians get a free pass to carry on their Jihad of death and destruction.

Yo, andy. Are you taking the cowards route again? Remain silent?
How about you answer this?

Try answering this, andy.

Give it a shot why don’t you?

Ok I will endeavour to put it in a very simplistic holistic view for you.

I believe all humans can be good or bad, and does not depend on their race, religion, political views, sexuality, gender or any other variable.
I also believe that good people are capable of doing 'bad' things and bad people are capable of doing 'good' things under certain circumstances, I came to understand this after reading books, not youtube videos.
I suggest you read some of Chris Hedges experiences in the Balkan wars in some of his books as he was there are what he wrote about the human condition in extreme circumstances.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/60836825-the-greatest-evil-is-war

didn't answer the question..because that would be too hard for you to extend yourself.

about as irrelevant and generic an answer as could be given.

I will ask you again so you can ignore it

andy, do you think Palestinians have the ability to know right from wrong? are they able to know murdering someone for religious reasons is wrong? do they comprehend that the extermination of all jews is not a valid outcome for their future?

take note where I asked about Palestinians?

Read my response, Palestinians are humans.
Your question is answered.
Now run along and enjoy your weekend.

"Crikey Indo the Jews have a record of Abraham’s whole family tree so he was real.
They were very serious and educated record keepers.
Copies of those same records were also found in your Dead Sea caves you were stoked on.
He left Ur on his own to travel and when in Canaan God said he would inherit this land one day and that day came and became the land of Israel which was all of todays Palestine. The so called Palestinians who really are just Gazans could easily work with Israel but are subject to their Islamic religions mission statement which is to wipe out the Jews.
So while Iran is pulling their strings there can never be peace. It’s a real shame because Israel help all their Arab neighbours who are friendly to them.
History shows their ancestors, the sons of Abraham were step brothers.
One becoming the Jewish race and the other the Arab.
They should be on the same page religiously but Mohammad took many Arabs off track to his new modern religion and created the strong division for personal gain.
It wasn't hard for him to find his jihad suicide squad who would rather die than not have the money, power and women that he promised them and so it goes on to this day."

;);)

https://m.

Optimist wrote:

Crikey Indo the Jews have a record of Abraham’s whole family tree so he was real.
They were very serious and educated record keepers.
Copies of those same records were also found in your Dead Sea caves you were stoked on.
He left Ur on his own to travel and when in Canaan God said he would inherit this land one day and that day came and became the land of Israel which was all of todays Palestine. The so called Palestinians who really are just Gazans could easily work with Israel but are subject to their Islamic religions mission statement which is to wipe out the Jews.
So while Iran is pulling their strings there can never be peace. It’s a real shame because Israel help all their Arab neighbours who are friendly to them.
History shows their ancestors, the sons of Abraham were step brothers.
One becoming the Jewish race and the other the Arab.
They should be on the same page religiously but Mohammad took many Arabs off track to his new modern religion and created the strong division for personal gain.
It wasn't hard for him to find his jihad suicide squad who would rather die than not have the money, power and women that he promised them and so it goes on to this day.

You gotta love the day when lowlife info tries to school SN’s resident biblical scholar (cough cough) on the history. Nice, opti now knows the “oh what a feeling”

That Dr Phil video was very good. A must watch if you haven’t already.

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

bonza wrote:

Standard stuff from the useful idiots here and elsewhere who hate Israel . Attack condemn and deny everything Israel says at every opportunity in accordance with Hamas social media propaganda. Remain silent when the evidence proves otherwise. Wash rinse repeat.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/united-nations-ha...

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fatality-data-h...

https://www.cfr.org/blog/un-halves-its-estimate-women-and-children-kille...

The useful idiots here will be on right side of history mate.
You would have been calling Nelson Mandela a terrorist and encouraging them to nuke Vietnam.

Opposing genocide does not make you anti semitic, your failure to understand this simple point says more about you and your heartless mates....

Anyway I'm out... This attitude is sickening to me. Look at the footage coming out of Gaza and you are going on about figures of 1000's of people being butchered with no where they can go, journos and aid convoys being deliberately targeted, and famine already taking hold.
But hey it Hamas's fault.

But hey it Hamas's fault….well, it is.

The inability of andy to even acknowledge the lies is no surprise.

Who created Hamas Einstein?
Hint, he now runs Israel.

That's your defence?
Next week you will be saying Hamas attack on 7 October didn't happen.

Ok I'll bite.
Yes, the Hamas attack happened, but did not happen in a vacuum.
Hamas also had a bit of help financially and politically from Bibi himself ey.
I have said from the start that there needn't to be a response. However, an indiscriminate invasion/ occupation will not have any winners or good outcomes for Israel or the Palestinians for the reasons we are exactly seeing unfold now.
Israel cannot win this war or occupation any more than the USA could in Iraq or Afghanistan, they have now strengthened Hamas support in Palestine, and are becoming an international pariah.
This will only get worse for them as it drags on and more and more imagery of dead or starving kids come out of Gaza.
It will probably bankrupt them as Israel's economy cannot handle continual war, and how long will the USA keep the weapons and funds flowing?
Also, how long can people and families in Israel put up with their reservist forces and regular IDF coming home in body bags?
They have created a generation now who will be looking for revenge for this carnage, great recruitment drive for Hamas and other Islamic extremist forces.
The Palestinians will not be going anywhere making a peaceful outcome or 2 state solution extremely difficult.
What is their solution?
As another commentor claims, Hamas have 80% support from regular Palestinians which I have no idea if true or not.
They cannot destroy Hamas as stated as their end goal.
If that being the case Israels only end game can be to move them off the land or kill them all, and that is genocide.
Is that what you are suggesting?
If not, what do you see as a viable solution?

I don't know the solution tbh. But I do think Israel should cease military operations and negotiate to get the hostages released.

andy, do you think Palestinians have the ability to know right from wrong? are they able to know murdering someone for religious reasons is wrong? do they comprehend that the extermination of all jews is not a valid outcome for their future? Because it seems to me that you are blaming Israel for all future outcomes and the poor Palestinians get a free pass to carry on their Jihad of death and destruction.

Yo, andy. Are you taking the cowards route again? Remain silent?
How about you answer this?

Try answering this, andy.

Give it a shot why don’t you?

Ok I will endeavour to put it in a very simplistic holistic view for you.

I believe all humans can be good or bad, and does not depend on their race, religion, political views, sexuality, gender or any other variable.
I also believe that good people are capable of doing 'bad' things and bad people are capable of doing 'good' things under certain circumstances, I came to understand this after reading books, not youtube videos.
I suggest you read some of Chris Hedges experiences in the Balkan wars in some of his books as he was there are what he wrote about the human condition in extreme circumstances.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/60836825-the-greatest-evil-is-war

didn't answer the question..because that would be too hard for you to extend yourself.

about as irrelevant and generic an answer as could be given.

I will ask you again so you can ignore it

andy, do you think Palestinians have the ability to know right from wrong? are they able to know murdering someone for religious reasons is wrong? do they comprehend that the extermination of all jews is not a valid outcome for their future?

take note where I asked about Palestinians?

Read my response, Palestinians are humans.
Your question is answered.
Now run along and enjoy your weekend.

no you didn't answer. you brought it down to be about individual humans having the ability/capability to do bad things.

I asked about Palestinians as a group, as an ethnonational group.

C’mon RK. It’s a stupid “gotcha” question that serves no purpose and accusing someone of cowardice for not playing a stupid game is schoolyard stupidity.