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andy-mac wrote:sypkan wrote:...and you guys really think higgens case doesn't stink?
...BOTH sides in that one have presented the most scurrilous sordid versions of reality...
such is modern politics...
and media...
Yeah, a bloke is tuning a girl all night, allegedly on the gear and drinking along with buying her drinks.
Offers to drive her home, but then decides he has work to do in the early hours. He then leaves the girl he was going to take home naked on a couch... Sure she stripped off by herself to get a good night sleep ey.
This same individual is facing a similar case in Toowoomba.
Mmmmm nothing to see here folks.
If he had used the defence that sex did occur and was consensual, then she regretted he may have had a case.
Anyway, in my view it looks like Lehrman is getting what he deserves. Bloke should have left it where it was after criminal trial and cut his losses.
Now who funded Lehrman? That is where it gets interesting in my view.
Also, recent hyperbolic reports of him partying and being evicted with many young ladies pictured begs the question, ‘what is wrong with these ladies?
andy-mac wrote:sypkan wrote:...and you guys really think higgens case doesn't stink?
...BOTH sides in that one have presented the most scurrilous sordid versions of reality...
such is modern politics...
and media...
Yeah, a bloke is tuning a girl all night, allegedly on the gear and drinking along with buying her drinks.
Offers to drive her home, but then decides he has work to do in the early hours. He then leaves the girl he was going to take home naked on a couch... Sure she stripped off by herself to get a good night sleep ey.
This same individual is facing a similar case in Toowoomba.
Mmmmm nothing to see here folks.
If he had used the defence that sex did occur and was consensual, then she regretted he may have had a case.
Anyway, in my view it looks like Lehrman is getting what he deserves. Bloke should have left it where it was after criminal trial and cut his losses.
Now who funded Lehrman? That is where it gets interesting in my view.
the thing is andy mac, I generally see it exactly the same as you...
however, how the hell can anyone know what actually happened that night after all that 'coaching' and the like by lisa wilkinson?
she tarnished (soiled) any semblance of reality, evidence, and version of what actually happened that night to such an extent that the case was doomed from the start...
and all that was before her speach of gratuitious self importamce at the logies...
then hankey head husband pooh smeared the whole ordeal as well
the delusional self importance of those two is staggering, and destructive...
and not just in this case!
I hope they get what they deserve too
they are the absolute worst of the current australian media / political ecosystem...
(and I used to have a thing for wilkinson... beyond her hot couger tv appearance...)
sypkan wrote:...and you guys really think higgens case doesn't stink?
...BOTH sides in that one have presented the most scurrilous sordid versions of reality...
such is modern politics...
and media...
False equivalence claptrap
Edit what woman would put herself through the ordeal to the point of being suicidal? Seriously?
What woman looking at this trial and how only one side needed to reveal every tiny detail of their life while the other didn’t think seriously about not proceeding with a complaint?
Very disingenuous sippy
so you know more than higgen's failing memory 'remembers' that evening hey frown?
you can see through all wilkinson's leading questions and coaching and know what actually happened that evening?
I'll rephrase that... you're happy to totally ignore all wilkinson's leading questions, coaching, and fabricating to fulfill your political agenda?
no surprises there...
velocityjohnno wrote:
Haha, I missed this one. Yarra is full of bikes and other rubbish. Melbourne - by far the dirtiest city in Australia. When I tell this to people they respond with something like 'It's a character of Melbourne, it's cool...'. Bullshit. I went to Brunswick once and I'll never go again. The place is a dump. All those inner city 'progressives' should start by cleaning their backyard. But then again, many prefer to look dirty, and wear awful clothes (is this some new fashion?), maybe they truly believe that a dirty, messy city is better than a clean one.
Syp. A fucking federal court judge finds, in the balance of probabilities, he raped her and you are still questioning it. Why?
sypkan wrote:andy-mac wrote:sypkan wrote:...and you guys really think higgens case doesn't stink?
...BOTH sides in that one have presented the most scurrilous sordid versions of reality...
such is modern politics...
and media...
Yeah, a bloke is tuning a girl all night, allegedly on the gear and drinking along with buying her drinks.
Offers to drive her home, but then decides he has work to do in the early hours. He then leaves the girl he was going to take home naked on a couch... Sure she stripped off by herself to get a good night sleep ey.
This same individual is facing a similar case in Toowoomba.
Mmmmm nothing to see here folks.
If he had used the defence that sex did occur and was consensual, then she regretted he may have had a case.
Anyway, in my view it looks like Lehrman is getting what he deserves. Bloke should have left it where it was after criminal trial and cut his losses.
Now who funded Lehrman? That is where it gets interesting in my view.the thing is andy mac, I generally see it exactly the same as you...
however, how the hell can anyone know what actually happened that night after all that 'coaching' and the like by lisa wilkinson?
she tarnished (soiled) any semblance of reality, evidence, and version of what actually happened that night to such an extent that the case was doomed from the start...
and all that was before her speach of gratuitious self importamce at the logies...
then hankey head husband pooh smeared the whole ordeal as well
the delusional self importance of those two is staggering, and destructive...
and not just in this case!
I hope they get what they deserve too
they are the absolute worst of the current australian media / political ecosystem...
(and I used to have a thing for wilkinson... beyond her hot couger tv appearance...)
That may be the case re Wilkinson etc but as the judge ruled, balance of probabilities he raped her..
Bloke takes girl back after night out, she somehow ends up naked crashed out on couch as he does some work, then leaves her. If he is innocent of rape, which I don't reckon he is, he is a grub of the first order.
He is lucky the criminal trial was aborted due to jury misconduct, and that incident was as suss as fark.
Again whole thing stinks through and through,but reckon he is guilty as the judge determined.
Here's an unpopular opinion on the whole lehrmann/higgins saga - I trust our judicial system. The judge decided that he couldn't rule out the possibility of rape considering the presented evidence. And that's it. Why is this controversial?
seeds wrote:Syp. A fucking federal court judge finds, in the balance of probabilities, he raped her and you are still questioning it. Why?
because I believe in the principle of innocent until proven guilty...
call me old school, naive, conservative, a dinosaur... whatever...
I don't care...
I remember when this story first broke, I think it was udo first posted stuff about this case when we didn't even know who the perpetrator was... with wrong guesses getting a run... the assumption was always, this guy is guilty...
it was political right from the start...
then just got seedier from there...
Yes, Flollo. If 12 of our best were present any different?
""it was political right from the start...""
It was bound to be since it occured in a ministers office between 2 lnp staffers.
Again why was office ordered to be thoroughly cleaned? Too much suss stuff going on, and doesn't seem to be a political hit job as it was all lnp.
Anyway, let's see how his Toowoomba trial goes, he may end up in jail anyway.
The judge seems as if he had a sense of humour.
As I have already noted, put in stark terms, it is fanciful a somewhat lubricated male staffer accompanied by a woman he found attractive, who he had just been ‘pashing’ in a nightclub despite having a girlfriend, would then be interested, after coming to a private place very late, to just say ‘cheerio’, and then soberly proceed to note up briefs for a Question Time that was not to occur for one and a half weeks, a fortiori when the staffer had already resigned; had no outstanding tasks; was not ordinarily involved in work concerning the Defence portfolio; and hitherto had demonstrated no outward signs of being a workaholic.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/apr/15/bruce-lehrmann-defamation-ve...
old judgey quite the wordsmith...
and from a 2 and a half hour summary of 300 odd pages, ...the guardian finds a litany of humourous quotes... that confirm... well... bias...
thankfully, the legal expert on abc gave a better run down...
basically, that they both told an extensive web of lies...
but we'll 'assume' brucey's the bad guy...
a 'civil matter'
interesting...
The judge heard all the evidence. He made a judgement on the balance of probabilities. Where's the problem?
sypkan wrote:old judgey quite the wordsmith...
and from a 2 and a half hour summary of 300 odd pages, ...the guardian finds a litany of humourous quotes... that confirm... well... bias...
thankfully, the legal expert on abc gave a better run down...
basically, that they both told an extensive web of lies...
but we'll 'assume' brucey's the bad guy...
a 'civil matter'
interesting...
So you reckon he took her back after flirting with her all night, drinking and as pointed out pashing her to leave her alone so he could go and do some work. Good work ethic indeed!
She just happens to lie down on couch and strip off for no reason.
He then just leaves her there for security guard to check on her.
Reckon the evidence right from the start points to him being guilty.
Again he is lucky that the juror had the criminal trial cancelled, which kind of reeks of the Joh Bejeilke trial and a suss juror.
Anyway not going to flog a dead horse, but yeah I reckon Brucey was the bad guy in this matter.
Geez
not sure there is a problem
but I find it interesting that a 'civil court' can 'assume' someone is guilty of a crime - hence making channel 10 not guilty - when it has not yet been established if a crime was committed...
an outcome fraught with all sorts of problems I would imagine...
ol' brucey might be going back to the den for his hat once again...
court of appeals?
andy-mac wrote:sypkan wrote:old judgey quite the wordsmith...
and from a 2 and a half hour summary of 300 odd pages, ...the guardian finds a litany of humourous quotes... that confirm... well... bias...
thankfully, the legal expert on abc gave a better run down...
basically, that they both told an extensive web of lies...
but we'll 'assume' brucey's the bad guy...
a 'civil matter'
interesting...
So you reckon he took her back after flirting with her all night, drinking and as pointed out pashing her to leave her alone so he could go and do some work. Good work ethic indeed!
She just happens to lie down on couch and strip off for no reason.
He then just leaves her there for security guard to check on her.
Reckon the evidence right from the start points to him being guilty.
Again he is lucky that the juror had the criminal trial cancelled, which kind of reeks of the Joh Bejeilke trial and a suss juror.
Anyway not going to flog a dead horse, but yeah I reckon Brucey was the bad guy in this matter.Geez
as I said before, I pretty much exactly agree with your appraisal above, on the face of it...
but as judgey concluded, it comes down to consent...
and what happened behind closed doors
the judges entertaining way with words could also be applied to higgens...
did she go back to parliment house for her house keys too?
sypkan wrote:not sure there is a problem
but I find it interesting that a 'civil court' can 'assume' someone is guilty of a crime - hence making channel 10 not guilty - when it has not yet been established if a crime was committed...
an outcome fraught with all sorts of problems I would imagine...
ol' brucey might be going back to the den for his hat once again...
court of appeals?
Brave man if he does!
Who will fund this?
Balance of probabilities versus beyond reasonable doubt....
What impact will this verdict have on Reynolds/ Higgins case?
Interesting days....
They can only appeal the ‘process’, not the evidence, from what I understand. Same as BRS.
They have to prove in the appeal that the judge made errors in application or in procedure.
sypkan wrote:
and what happened behind closed doors
the judges entertaining way with words could also be applied to higgens...
did she go back to parliment house for her house keys too?
AFP thought date rape drug was used would explain a few things.
The role of Murdoch provocateur Janet Albrechtsen in misrepresenting Brittany Higgins’ allegation as just part of an Australian version of “woke” US MeToo movement needs to be examined here. We NewsCorp subscribers do not deserve Albrechtsen’s shoddy journalism. Lachlan? Anyone? https://t.co/lDgkHbipiA
— Quentin Dempster (@QuentinDempster) April 15, 2024
I focus wrote:https://twitter.com/QuentinDempster/status/1779737185379631491?ref_src=t...
well...
I would argue the judges comments regarding 'consent' are worth examinimg...
I haven't read the transcripts as to who allegedly said what, where... but they were some curious comments from the judge...
the relatively new consent laws are a minefield...
"AFP thought date rape drug was used would explain a few things."
that, or possibly that mysterious bottle of whiskey...
it's interesting how now, all of a sudden, its a given, sex took place
it's like a totally different case...
the whole thing is such a mess
Jeezus Farkn Christ
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-15/how-misinformation-spread-after-b...
Breaking News...so sorry Sydney!
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/christian-leader-stabbed-during-mass...
I focus wrote:https://twitter.com/QuentinDempster/status/1779737185379631491?ref_src=t...
Janet is one nasty piece of work.
andy-mac wrote:I focus wrote:https://twitter.com/QuentinDempster/status/1779737185379631491?ref_src=t...
Janet is one nasty piece of work.
Some of the vitriol she writes is just ugly.
Imagine Albrechsten, Credlin and Michaelia Cash in a bitch-off.
It’d knock the earth off its axis.
AndyM
Of the three , I only closely follow Peta Credlin .
If You call a woman who is really smart , works darn hard , is extremely loyal 2 the Men in her life , who is articulate and really calls IT as She Sees it , a bitch , then I guess that is ok .
She is a Woman with True Grit and I sure would support her in ANY endeavour , if she needs help .
Australia is so lucky to have women like Rosie Batty and Peta , they are Hard Tough women ( not bitches ) and I love them both !
Give Me 1 issue Andy , that Peta has been just wrong !
IF there IS anything that gives your BS post cred , that Peta Perfect IS a bitch , mate , please pick that .
I can't fn wait !
""Give Me 1 issue Andy , that Peta has been just wrong !""
Different Andy, but she destroyed Australia's climate energy policy with her idiot boss Abbott carrying on with carbon tax bullshit which she later admitted was bullshit but done for pure political bastardry.
Edit: a mess which is still having ramifications today with our energy market.
3 witches those ones....
credit where credlin credit is due...
she's the only politician I ever heard be close to honest about how australia's immigration numbers are determined
she said on a panel... (paraphrasing)
"I've been in that room when the budget numbers are being considered...
...and I have seen those in government pump immigration numbers into their modelling until a more balanced budget is reached..."
I'll take that kind of frank honesty any day of the week over our current crop of liars and their sleight hands...
I wonder how many times labor bumped the immigration numbers by 50 000 or 100 000 before they found their current magical number of 735 000...
all to perpetuate the ruse we are not in recession...
meanwhile... a per capita recession has been runnig how many times...
Pop Down wrote:AndyM
Of the three , I only closely follow Peta Credlin .
If You call a woman who is really smart , works darn hard , is extremely loyal 2 the Men in her life , who is articulate and really calls IT as She Sees it , a bitch , then I guess that is ok .
She is a Woman with True Grit and I sure would support her in ANY endeavour , if she needs help .
Australia is so lucky to have women like Rosie Batty and Peta , they are Hard Tough women ( not bitches ) and I love them both !
Give Me 1 issue Andy , that Peta has been just wrong !
IF there IS anything that gives your BS post cred , that Peta Perfect IS a bitch , mate , please pick that .
I can't fn wait !
She was good during the voice debacle, strong women that takes no prisoners.
Andy-mac, I don't think self-reflection is your long suit, but calling women who disagree with your loony-left opinions names just about sums you up. on the Higgins thing, albrechtsen has got it right all along (unless you disagree with the judge) her consistent point has been the whole mess is due to Higgins taking it to the press not the police, and that the conspiracy theory postulated by labor (and the discredited ACT dpp) was a crock. but people like you always resort to ad hominem abuse when the facts don't fit. and quoting Quentin Dempster.. spare me, if you are looking for a b-grade union hack (and someone has already backed guy smiley) Quentin is your man. that's it from me, back to occasional lurking..
wooooahh!!
llzd? cool.
agree @sr, how good is surfn&aussie?
(@vj, how good was scrappling above the organised team-sport culture, realising individual enviro-responses surfing, skating, skiing are the best things ever, and not dependent on others' approval.. just fund prioritising and lifestyle decisions)
unreal AW and goofy, been slightly slow burgers here, lowering tide gives an hour of fun, better than nothing : )
loungelizard wrote:Andy-mac, I don't think self-reflection is your long suit, but calling women who disagree with your loony-left opinions names just about sums you up. on the Higgins thing, albrechtsen has got it right all along (unless you disagree with the judge) her consistent point has been the whole mess is due to Higgins taking it to the press not the police, and that the conspiracy theory postulated by labor (and the discredited ACT dpp) was a crock. but people like you always resort to ad hominem abuse when the facts don't fit. and quoting Quentin Dempster.. spare me, if you are looking for a b-grade union hack (and someone has already backed guy smiley) Quentin is your man. that's it from me, back to occasional lurking..
Haha ok LL....
She admitted to lying to destroy a policy that may of helped Australia transition to a better energy policy. It's a mess now if you haven't noticed.
Albrechtsen got it right? Deluded mate, she tried to make a rape of a young lady into something of a anti woke anti Me too crusade. Better have a good look at yourself if you think that is cool.
As for the rest of your nonsense, sliver back over to Sky news after dark.
Pft.
Andy Mac
You are a dill and both Andy's are doing little Pft's farts , that are JUST , irritating lol ..
Abbott had NO Power as PM , was knifed in his first term and U blame Peta for OUR Current Energy No Power Policy FFS !
Did Tony stop U Energy Transition for a Mili second , U poor little didums ?
So U packed Up and went home ?
Your team could not start a new one .
Such a Poor try at smirching , a good Australian ?
So back 2 Andy M , U called her a Bitch .
You love to throw , what U think is a bomb , BUT , they turn into irritating little farts that don't smell .
IE U are very weak .
Name 1 little tiny mistake , then , that Credlin has made !!!
Pop Down wrote:Andy Mac
You are a dill and both Andy's are doing little Pft's farts , that are JUST , irritating lol ..
Abbott had NO Power as PM , was knifed in his first term and U blame Peta for OUR Current Energy No Power Policy FFS !
Did Tony stop U Energy Transition for a Mili second , U poor little didums ?
So U packed Up and went home ?
Your team could not start a new one .
Such a Poor try at smirching , a good Australian ?
So back 2 Andy M , U called her a Bitch .
You love to throw , what U think is a bomb , BUT , they turn into irritating little farts that don't smell .
IE U are very weak .
Name 1 little tiny mistake , then , that Credlin has made !!!
.
Who's the dill?
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/carbon-tax-just-brutal-politics-cred...
This for you poppy...
https://m.
Andy Mac
No thanks , lets stay on Peta oh weak diverter one , as I don't waste my time , checking out stuff suggested by lightweights .
I haven't heard ONE thing bad about Peta yet , gosh , U2 can be weak as piss !
I am not that easily distracted , or turned .
at symbol PoppaD, yr starting to detract rather than add.. please rectify this asap. promotion of young musicians, zingy thinking, tbb research, and of course, surf and the sea, are all acceptable ways of remedying this.
Please be aware that personal existential preponderance about the big picture is not considered 'giving', but rather, as 'taking', particularly if you expect people to engage in your personal jingo-lingo-bingo-bango-journey with you. As I know you know, we all have our own personal journeys.
Please turn very slowly. And don't be distracted. You are you and we are we, and it is all good.
Pop Down wrote:Andy Mac
No thanks , lets stay on Peta oh weak diverter one , as I don't waste my time , checking out stuff suggested by lightweights .
I haven't heard ONE thing bad about Peta yet , gosh , U2 can be weak as piss !
I am not that easily distracted , or turned .
Here's a list poppy.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/peta-credlins...
base six
I read you note , respect your opinion , had 5 surfs in 4 days on the weekend and I can B a bit grumpy and let OFF some Steam 2 , surely .
I am not fn interested in being fn Perfect Pop FFS !
That sounds fn terrible imho .
ffs Andy weak as PISS , again !!!
I am NOT going to fn read some SMUCK I don't even know opinion , on anything !!!
U fn read it and stop fn googling some random article and tell ME what the 1 Topic Peta is wrong on .
Then I will do ANY work that is required to debate it like adults .
you too, pop.. just!
(please seek the movie 'Secondhand Lions')
hutchy wouldn't go on a jet boat.
would yooooo....?
base 6
Feel free to have a Pop at Peta 2 .
Hutchy says stay out of this , mate .
yeh, just came into this as it is a subject that matters not one whit. normal people don't even know it exists - just people that think 'the news' is a thing.
Go your hardest, I was just delivering a message. An important message. To be ignored at your peril. Peril not being a particularly bad thing. Unless peril and loneliness go hand in hand for you. They do for most of us. Love you @Pop.
and, here we go...
albo's nanny state net / ministry of truth just got some new millions...
When terrorists attacked the concert hall in Moscow, the Russian government never demanded anyone remove the videos or censor the news. It was all over X, Telegram and TikTok and Russian sites like VK. It was on Russian TV.
— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) April 16, 2024
And yet here we have Australia, a supposed liberal… https://t.co/WYcsipfwLF
Secondhand Lions. Great movie! My feebleness seems to remember a brief discussion on this a while back. But could have been elsewhere. I don’t keep track like others here.
man, yeh, it's a good film, should be better, but is a really cool vehicle for some actors that deserved a break, my kids fricking LOVED it! is adam12 gonna come back online and take some responsibility, or just sit back amused ?
GOSH Base 6
I can just melt at your words , like some bloody type of krytogoodnight thingy , nearly .
So , Uncle , I think I really get what U mean and so appreciate the advice and Goodwill Hunting :))
I have 2 stop hunting 4 a Steam release , I think .
I have seen the Movie and I sure feel like one of the brothers , with U as a possible sibling , I reckon U will guess which Ones , 2 .
A great movie and the little boy was cool 2 imho .
Thanks mate .
The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.