Climate Change
Can get radical and it is not a matter of if, but when, in the more thunderstorm prone warmer climates.
So many challenges with renewables. Not as straightforward as we are told.
No, correlation is not causation, however, something big is going on.
Driest 6 months in Perth and surrounds in recorded history.
Things are so dry here, a tree will be there one day, you drive by the next and it's withering and brown and dying. We've normally had a tonne of rain activity by April.
Barely had 5 mils in months.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-01/impact-of-perth-dry-spell-on-wa-w...
Quick! Glue yourself to something!
haha although you're taking the piss., that did crack me up M.A.
southernraw wrote:No, correlation is not causation, however, something big is going on.
Driest 6 months in Perth and surrounds in recorded history.
Things are so dry here, a tree will be there one day, you drive by the next and it's withering and brown and dying. We've normally had a tonne of rain activity by April.
Barely had 5 mils in months.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-01/impact-of-perth-dry-spell-on-wa-w...
Prof Flannery reckoned Perth would become a desert city way back in 2007 in his book. Being a mediterranean climate, you are going to get 4-6 months of little rain and hot dry heat with few waves. Carnarvon and north scored 49s this year I think - this is what happens in the midwest with a cyclone up north and no southerly, which in the normal summer pattern can continue to blow onshore (keeping things cool) for 2 weeks at a time without even an offshore reprieve. Imagine working up in the Pilbara in the long sleeved hi viz uniforms in that! You'd be going straight from the AC ute to the AC office donga to the AC crib room to your AC sleeping donga. Perth nights will be magic to go out in this kind of weather though, just sleep through the day lol
Along with SR's ABC link see the collapse of Perth's stream run off
https://www.watercorporation.com.au/Our-water/Rainfall-and-dams/Streamflow
Not the first time dying out has challenged city states:
https://www.livescience.com/38893-drought-caused-ancient-mediterranean-c...
I know what you're thinking: "How did the ancient Hittites get Landcruisers and cheap flights to Thailand?"
Good link.
And you could definitely add Alcoa to that equation of possible failures in water supply @ifocus.
Great input @vj.
https://www.watoday.com.au/environment/sustainability/alcoa-was-warned-f...
Tbh clear blue skies and heat day after day make me nervous, I spent much of my time growing up there. Beaut rain and thunder here today and a few mL.
sort of related
A bit more on topic:
https://www.wa.gov.au/system/files/2022-04/Assessment-of-artificial-main...
So the Yanchep caves, which I remember were awesome when I was little, are artifically fed by water, so they don't dry out.
The other factor here is the sheer amount of pine plantations (now being removed) in Waneroo & north - these things chug water. Anyone doing a Lanno mission over the years would have seen so many plantations on the way up.
Lower rainfall with increasing population and associated urban development on the Perth sand plains is resulting in the lower ground water levels which in turn can expose acid sulphate soils. The released acidity has then liberated heavy metals such as arsenic into the ground water.
A drying climate in Perth is not going to be pleasant.
https://www.publish.csiro.au/sr/sr03074
The solution is indubitably to add more people, Perth has highest population growth rate of the capital cities:
https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/perth-has-highest-population-growth-drive...
edit: great book on Swan coastal plain:
https://uwap.uwa.edu.au/products/a-sense-of-place-third-editiona-respons...
velocityjohnno wrote:The solution is indubitably to add more people, Perth has highest population growth rate of the capital cities:
https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/perth-has-highest-population-growth-drive...
edit: great book on Swan coastal plain:
https://uwap.uwa.edu.au/products/a-sense-of-place-third-editiona-respons...
VelocityJohnno
Great topics here, thanks.
George Seddon now there’s a polymath if you’ve ever seen one, what an individual.
Nobody in this country could encapsulate the term ‘sense of place’ like he could, in fact many attribute the phrase wholly to him. A term which imbibed a sense of belonging.
I have many of his books, and even a book about him, in particular Landprints I love .
Privileged many years ago in the early nineties whilst attending Australian Landscape Design Conference to hear him speak for the first time, got to meet him and on the fourth day even had lunch and a cuppa and a conversation with him and others.
I could listen to him all day every day.
Nothing that came out of his mouth was untrue.
The most intelligent person I’ve ever met.( no longer with us sadly).
He’s often been labelled the Professor of Everything.
I’m about to purchase that third edition, thanks again. AW
Excellent AW, I'm glad you got to meet him. It was the only book I'd go back into the school library to read, loved it. Wanted to put mum and dad's place in that framework of place and where it was in the ancient coastal inland dunes, and wondered why the soil was so poor and why they spent so much time building it up.
We've got crested pidgeons coming by now, they are 'woo pidgeons' as you can say 'woo' to them and they will say it back.
Excellent watch
?si=yuRE-ftj0p9sSOn8 https://m.
velocityjohnno wrote:Excellent AW, I'm glad you got to meet him. It was the only book I'd go back into the school library to read, loved it. Wanted to put mum and dad's place in that framework of place and where it was in the ancient coastal inland dunes, and wondered why the soil was so poor and why they spent so much time building it up.
We've got crested pidgeons coming by now, they are 'woo pidgeons' as you can say 'woo' to them and they will say it back.
VJ. Good stuff mate. Crested pigeons, beautiful birds around where you and I frequent.
Only been south of the divide in the last 25-30 years, prevalence of a building drier climate, increases range of these birds predominantly seeking native seeds first and foremost and exotic seeds when presented with them in monocultural farming landscapes. That beautiful noise upon take off generated by the sound of air rushing through a primary feather tells you straight away that it’s a Crested Pigeon. Very amorous birds who don’t mind a bit of it. AW
Yes, AW my Ms had them on her farm NE wheatbelt WA, they would race the utes down the gravel tracks making that sound so got called racing pidgeons. Apparently they fan out their tales like a peacock in the mating dance. Mellow temperament compared to some of the other birds.
velocityjohnno wrote:Yes, AW my Ms had them on her farm NE wheatbelt WA, they would race the utes down the gravel tracks making that sound so got called racing pidgeons. Apparently they fan out their tales like a peacock in the mating dance. Mellow temperament compared to some of the other birds.
VJ. Spot on, they’re at it nearly every time you see a group of them ,usually dominated by a few males trying to impress a female with their tails fanned.
Up close , colours are spectacular. AW
Slackjawedyokel wrote:Excellent watch
Blowin. Thanks for posting this.
Is it me, or is it just conveniently surprising that nearly all of the respondents in this piece of work are from the world’s biggest or one of the biggest industrialised entities on earth, good old USA.
Born manufacturers and users of an immense amount of energy. Requiring voluminous amounts of extractive industries products.
I’ll get back to you later with a firm rebuttal, it’ll take a few days fella. AW
^ I watched 'climate' when richard cheese posted it and enjoyed it @AW. it raised the sorts of things that certain people suffering from climate-fatigue feel need raising, but also laid bare the arguments that those with agendas know they can flog to good effect. I guess some will go on to google who funded it, what scientists think of it, and then take further interest in the complexities, some will just sit back and think 'I knew it!'.
i haven't watched this yet but saw the previous director's film. its all bullshit.
start here.
https://skepticalscience.com/climate-the-movie-a-hot-mess-of-cold-myths....
Also bullshit, is the ideological pretend greenies with their head in the sand unwilling to question and call out the net zero scam that benefits the powers that be, as well as the implications on habitat loss and extinction because of ignorant antinuclear energy options, population management, and enviro markets.
Worse, the hijacking of rational conservationism by hamas terrorist supporting fkwits including Extinction Now and Greta&co who equate environmentalism with their mistaken ideologically motivated social justice activism. idiots.
basesix wrote:^ I watched 'climate' when richard cheese posted it and enjoyed it @AW. it raised the sorts of things that certain people suffering from climate-fatigue feel need raising, but also laid bare the arguments that those with agendas know they can flog to good effect. I guess some will go on to google who funded it, what scientists think of it, and then take further interest in the complexities, some will just sit back and think 'I knew it!'.
Basesix. Hi mate. So true you say.
I only watched a little of the movie that Blowin/SJY posted, I don’t know if it’s me or more of having a suspicious mind about who the producers choose to interview.
I see it sometimes like picking your own select jury for a court case whilst holding a biased lawn bowl in ya hand.
I’m open minded on this subject but I do have an opinion about it.
I will formulate a serious response, there’s plenty of evidence that what’s purported in that movie is entirely incorrect also.
Both sides can produce circumstantial evidence favouring their position. AW
Too true AW. When I watch something, I try to watch it as a passive enthusiast, not a naysayer, same with 'climate'.. and aside from some extraordinarily weird takes on geological timeframes, the expected denigrating of academics and researchers as being 'they're-getting-paid-so-they-won't-rock-the-boaters', cherry-picked experts, the film being petrol funded, science forums subsequently tearing its statistics apart, and it doing the predictable descent into anti-climate-change-propaganda at the halfway mark, it was quite a fun film. Enjoy ; )
bonza wrote:i haven't watched this yet but saw the previous director's film. its all bullshit.
start here.
https://skepticalscience.com/climate-the-movie-a-hot-mess-of-cold-myths....
Also bullshit, is the ideological pretend greenies with their head in the sand unwilling to question and call out the net zero scam that benefits the powers that be, as well as the implications on habitat loss and extinction because of ignorant antinuclear energy options, population management, and enviro markets.
Worse, the hijacking of rational conservationism by hamas terrorist supporting fkwits including Extinction Now and Greta&co who equate environmentalism with their mistaken ideologically motivated social justice activism. idiots.
Bonza. Hi mate, how’s things.
Strong views, good on you.
To quote Blowin/SJY. Excellent watch.
Well, I suppose it depends upon how you define excellence !! AW
bonza wrote:i haven't watched this yet but saw the previous director's film. its all bullshit.
start here.
https://skepticalscience.com/climate-the-movie-a-hot-mess-of-cold-myths....
Also bullshit, is the ideological pretend greenies with their head in the sand unwilling to question and call out the net zero scam that benefits the powers that be, as well as the implications on habitat loss and extinction because of ignorant antinuclear energy options, population management, and enviro markets.
Worse, the hijacking of rational conservationism by hamas terrorist supporting fkwits including Extinction Now and Greta&co who equate environmentalism with their mistaken ideologically motivated social justice activism. idiots.
Watched about half of it, i was expecting to be able to write it off pretty easy but it was actually presented pretty well & easy to watch, but yeah i expected a lot of what was being said just wasn't true or misleading.
Thats the problem with these things people watch one video on something and blindly believe it as truth.
And yep im with you, we can accept man made climate change and understand change needs to be had, but the radical sky is falling brigade are just as bad and damaging as the complete deniers.
Im not sure if i agree with everything Michael Shellenberger says, but much of his take on this issue makes sense a sensible middle ground.
yep @indo, zealots suck a big bum. I eat meat fairly rarely, but went to a Vietnamese place with some hardline veggos, and impulsively ordered the pork-stuffed-squid. We are a reactionary animal, for the most part.
(and, yeh, that movie was easy-listening muzak for the climate-fatigued, and had a lot of dog-balls dangling)
Just re: extinctions in that vid above
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abb8677
We have perhaps begun something similar today, geomagnetic poles are moving their positions fast. Geomagnetic field weakening as well. I wish they'd update the data more often on where the geomagnetic poles really are. Paper presents effects on species including extinctions.
https://phys.org/news/2020-05-swarm-probes-weakening-earth-magnetic.html
velocityjohnno wrote:Just re: extinctions in that vid above
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abb8677
We have perhaps begun something similar today, geomagnetic poles are moving their positions fast. Geomagnetic field weakening as well. I wish they'd update the data more often on where the geomagnetic poles really are. Paper presents effects on species including extinctions.
https://phys.org/news/2020-05-swarm-probes-weakening-earth-magnetic.html
So interesting, thanks for posting! Long time reader of many forums here on SN, so many interesting and valuable things to learn about.
In terms of how and why the earth's climate changes, it seems apparent that there are many variables and dynamic systems that influence each other, from micro to the macro - not just the consideration of cO2 levels and it's relationship to global temperature (and the question of our role as part of this)
Idealistically speaking, if there was more neutral ground, more space to ask questions, more science, and less polarisation, and a more tempered role of business and political interest I think we would have more research pieces like this - and learn more, faster.
Unfortunately I think we have entered another era that is anti-science.
This truth is disguised through the modern adoption of using words and ideas contrary to their meaning ala Orwelle’s 1984. Thus those who are most vehemently anti-science are those who most loudly bray that we must trust the science.
This anti-science rhetoric is bolstered with pure propaganda in order to install the Official Correct Line Of Thought within the population. Those who disagree must then obviously be not just heretics but also heartless monsters who care not for either the environment or their fellow humans.
This has played out before…. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/galileo-is-accused-of-heresy
When the centre of power has started prophesying doom we can recognise and appreciate that it no longer about science and that guise can be partially dropped as the next step is pure fanaticism and the rebirth of an eons old religion.
https://listverse.com/2016/05/04/10-sacrificial-rituals-practiced-by-anc...
Hey Slackie, did you use ChatGPT above?
Is it difficult to set up?
Tell 'em that Orwell doesn't have an e on the end.
#cooked
Some of the stuff he’s come out with in the last few years should be enough to get him commited
Social media is the worst thing that ever happened. Back in a day he would be an isolated lunatic that no one cared about.
Yep, and to think there are quite a few people who now support and encourage him, further fuelling the madness and narcissism
Someone buy him paint and a sandwich board so he can write 'the end is nigh' and hang on street corners, real old skool like.
They've always existed yet never been more enabled.
Yet funnily enough….here’s someone spouting shit that’s waaaaayyy more over the top, hyperbolic retarded.
But….because he’s the head of the largest organisation that’s ever existed, an international institution representing and funded by 193 nations, and which oversees and controls a multitude of fields covering every aspect of human life on Earth and a multitude of specialized agencies, funds, and programmes, including the World Bank Group, the World Health Organization, the World Food Programme, UNESCO, and UNICEF……because of this and because he’s sermonising on the new religion , using language which is indisputably religious in overtone….he gets a free pass.
His absolute disregard for reason, rationality and fact in a staged statement to the world is praised.
Fucked up!
This is the highest authority within that massive organisation and he is THIS close to mentioning fire and brimstone
This is what it looks like when the facade of science is dropped and the actual agenda is revealed. It’s when the bullshit radar can be dispensed because the bullshit is now so deep that only the completely indoctrinated can ignore it.
?si=-pxzWulPzlgpZWTb It’s descended to the point where the powerful are so assured of their authority they now have zero concern or awareness of looking foolish, despite demanding such a suspension of disbelief that only a fool is capable of hearing their words and not being bewildered by the disconnect from reality
We’ve been here before very recently.
Remember a Winter of Death for the Unvaccinated……lolol
Yeah bit of hyperbole there by old mate. Doesn't help things at all.
Recent observations are showing an acceleration of the warming, ie non-linear and climate models haven't been able to capture this acceleration.
Volatile times ahead.
Hyperbole as motivational tool. Picturing a world then - incorrectly or not - and describing it in language to alter behaviour now.
Use your media training to contextualise the words.
Odd segue from ATM Eddie but whatever.
No Craig. A “bit of hyperbole “ doesn’t cut it. This isn’t some clown on his private social media. This is the head of the largest and most powerful organisation that has ever existed in human history, making a staged and scripted statement to be consumed in its literal form by every human on Earth.
This statement was intended to cast the net of influence far wider than achievable by adhering to falsified scientific consensus and data. This statement was conceived, designed and delivered in context to take the next step towards the installation of reason-abandoning panic in as much of the population as possible.
Amongst his first carefully curated words is the announcement that you should be TERRIFIED. The foremost head of this transnational institution then lies straight to your face.
The world isn’t just hot….it’s boiling!
So hot that the air is unbreathable!
So hot that it’s unbearable and we will soon die because it’s the only option as no one can bear it!
It’s delivered deliberately and intended to be taken literally.
There is no science behind this. It’s the development of a religion and this is its Pope telling you to repent or face eternal damnation. They cannot be more obvious…..it’s intended to be obvious.
And people like Blindboy who started this thread and another similar years ago with now memory-holed prophecies such as “sea level rise up to 20ft by the end of the century “ , were early converters, He was saying years ago that climate blasphemy should be criminalised. Are you seriously as credulous as that?
stunet wrote:Hyperbole as motivational tool. Picturing a world then - incorrectly or not - and describing it in language to alter behaviour now.
Use your media training to contextualise the words.
Odd segue from ATM Eddie but whatever.
Fuck….that comment is ridiculous.
He wasn’t picturing some future world. He was describing the world now despite the obvious insanity to anyone who has any two of their five senses working.
And yes Andy ….
George Orwell
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
― George Orwell, 1984
It’s not intended as motivational hyperbole. It’s shock and awe to scare the basic bitches into compliance through fear.
Three years ago they had healthy invulnerable people locked in their houses using the exact same fraudulent tactics and you still haven’t clued in.
Amazing.
When I see stuff like that I don’t just despair for you, I despair for everyone. If otherwise intelligent people can’t see what’s plain as day in front of them then we are all fucked. Because that means the easily and will fully led clowns - the roadkills, the vic locals , the Blindboy’s - will have the numbers when they’re weaponised against the normal people ….again
Or maybe you’ve forgotten what that looks like?
It's a rhetorical device; no more, no less.
Most people can see it for what it is, unless they're attempting to retrofit some outrage against it.
Also, don't despair for me, it's both patronising and unnecessary, and annoying too.
People who think they have the answers to it all...ugh.
Sure mate.
That’s what the UN Is renowned for …..its use of fictionalised horror to install terror and panic in populations across the globe.
Give me a shred of evidence that he is talking metaphorically? Is there a walkback of threat ? Some revealing body language or nuance in his language?
No there’s none of those. It’s intended to instil terror as he directly states. The bet being that those who aren’t so brain dead that they don’t swallow it will dismiss it as hyperbole. Those people will be won over to fear through either appeal to authority or social conditioning or scientific fraud. Which technique will have you dobbing on your neighbours when they don’t comply, Stu?
Never forget that this muppet was never, ever pulled up by the alleged moderates ( not moderators) such as Craig. Free to spout poisonous rubbish because he had the lying establishment behind him and he was repeating the lies of the same lying establishment
stunet wrote:It's a rhetorical device; no more, no less.
Most people can see it for what it is, unless they're attempting to retrofit some outrage against it.
Also, don't despair for me, it's both patronising and unnecessary, and annoying too.
People who think they have the answers to it all...ugh.
I don’t think I have the answers. I am just telling you that I see it as obvious bullshit. You are the one telling me how I’ve misinterpreted the unspoken and unidentifiable context hidden within a statement issued by someone you’ve never met from in institution that you’ve got nothing to do with.
Slackjawedyokel wrote:Never forget that this muppet was never, ever pulled up by the alleged moderates ( not moderators) such as Craig. Free to spout poisonous rubbish because he had the lying establishment behind him and he was repeating the lies of the same lying establishment
Showing your true colours on censorship and free speech.
What would Orwell say..?
Blowin has some amo lol
Blowin is firing blanks, you mean.
Talking out both sides of his mouth about Orwellian language.
At the time he even appreciated Swellnet allowed robust free speech. While you're doxxing everyone, why not dig that post up too?
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