The mystery of the missing skeleton

Sven Seifritz
Swellnet Analysis

Everyone knows the story of 'The Endless Summer.' How Bruce Brown went all the way around the world, found the 'perfect wave' at Cape St Francis then came home crowing about it. The back story, however, is that poor old Bruce missed discovering J'Bay by just one headland. Sure, great film, but let's pause for a moment and think what could've been. No need to bung in those "same funny looking wave" quotes, just film the real thing.

In a similar vein, back in 1987 Sven Seifritz was stationed near one of the world's best waves, but he left the area not even knowing of its existence. When Skeleton Bay was revealed to the world years later, Sven's heart dropped when he realised he'd been stationed just five kilometres from the wave that every pro was now beating tracks to surf. Did he, like Bruce Brown, miss discovering one of the world's great waves by the proverbial bee's?

However, there's a complexity in Sven's story: Unlike J'Bay, Skeleton Bay AKA Donkey Bay, has a sand bottom and the shoreline is rapidly changing as the prevailing wind carries sand from the Namib Desert to reclaim the coast. Donkey Bay 1987 is not the same as Donkey Bay 2020, or even 2008 when it was exposed to the world. However, there'll always be a 'what if'?

Did I turn my back on the best wave in the world?

It’s 1987 and I was serving my two years military conscription in the South African Navy. Having not exactly been exemplary naval material I was sent for one year to the worst naval base in South Africa, Walvis Bay (then South West Africa) as punishment. Walvis Bay is a smelly, harbour shithole town in the middle of the desert full of conscripted naval, army, and air force personnel. The first weekend showed one dump of a club with a hundred men and ten foul local girls that have never had it so good.

An excursion of the coastline between Walvis and Swakopmund showed a variety of points, reefs, and beachbreaks. In Swakopmund, a smoking, grinding left they called Thick Lip had us frothing and resulted in a flurry of phone calls and letters - email and mobile phones didn't yet exist. The message: ‘Send boards ASAP! Oh, by the way, how are you…blah, blah…your son, Sven.’

Boards arrived, we had great waves, we surfed circles around the locals and the local Swakop girls were queuing up to meet the Navy surfer boys. When solid swell arrived the best wave was a reef called Guns, a long left, and on smaller swell a rippable right too. Guns needed solid ground swell to wrap around the Pelican Point sand strip where we were working at the lighthouse watching the radar for communist vessels: 24 hours on duty, 48 hours free.

There were no roads from Walvis Bay to Pelican Point, just car-chewing sand so we were brought across from the Naval Base to Pelican Point by boat. The jetty was on the calm inland-side of the sand strip. Only once did we venture out from the lighthouse to check out the smelly seals and dismal closeout shorebreak on the ocean side. We were conserving our energy for two days of surfing, partying, sleeping in our board bags on the beach, and the girls of course. When we saw spray coming of the waves from the lighthouse then we knew Guns was on and spent many mornings on the radio getting the boat to come and fetch us as quick as possible; we were frothing to get back to camp and our boards as quickly as possible.

Many years after my conscription ended I saw a video of Cory Lopez surfing an unknown wave somewhere in Namibia. I started thinking about a surf expedition, armed with GPS, maps, and Land Rovers driving endlessly in the desert looking for this mystical break. It was slightly onshore, misty, but one wave just tubed forever.

Over the years I saw more and more clips of this wave until the day I saw a clip of what had to be longest barrelling wave ever. Wow! Just imagine it?! Somewhere in the comments, hidden away were the words "Donkey Bay". I'd been looking "Skeleton Bay" and was convinced the wave was on the desolate Skeleton Coast.

A quick search on Google Maps revealed a sand point, wrapping waves, some strip of sand and a little inner lake. I zoomed out and...there was Pelican Point! 

This is clearly a mistake! Can't be. I am on the wrong track.

However, despite more and more searching, checking out articles, they always brought me back to a disbelieving square one. NO WAY! I was in a daze for weeks. I think it must be like winning the lotto and you still don’t believe it’s real. I had this dreaded thought in my head that every time I stood on the wharf at Pelican Point frothing to surf Guns, I was in fact turning my back on a short walk to the best wave in the world - over and over again.

I contacted my main surfing partner in crime, who's a bigger frother than me, and after doing his own investigations he confirmed the same dreaded feeling. We simply did not know! We were best friends with the locals and not a word or even a whisper about this mystical spot was mentioned. We were the ‘board’ of directors there and knew everything. I mean, imagine you surf the place on your own and keep a kilometre long, eight barrel wave all to yourself? Unless you had video footage, no-one would believe you.

I got tired of looking at Skeleton Bay clips, yet on a local surf website, under another Skeleton Bay clip, I posted my sad surf story. Comments of disbelief, empathy, sympathy, all came through but a person with a background in oceanography made a comment that because of the sand movement there was no wave in 1987/1988.

Really? Well that is fantastic news! 

My experience with waves were rock points, reefs, and sandbanks, which of course I know keep changing, but it never occurred to me that an entire strip of submerged sand could also change.

He said in '87/'88 the little lake was a lot bigger and there was no strip of sand - the strip that created the wave. He also had a blurry photo that seemed to confirm his findings, an old Google Map screen shot. I was utterly relived, but then I started thinking, 'If you take 500 metres away, I'd still be over the moon with the first 500 metres of perfection'.

Google Earth imagery of the Donkey Bay coastline in 1992 - four years after Sven left - with the current coastline shown in red

Later I saw an interesting post about the sand movement. In the comments quite far down someone posted a picture and prediction of where the sand was in 2005. You can see the strip of sand between the lake and the wave getting smaller and smaller the further you go back in time. 2005 is about as far back as I can go.

Please Swellnet, forever put me out of my misery, doubt, sleepless nights and confirm that in 1987/1988 there was no wave at all, not even a short point wave.

//SVEN SEIFRITZ

And to answer Sven's question, here's Swellnet forecaster and author of past Skeleton Bay articles, Craig Brokensha:

"While a little disjointed, what imagery we have shows that there, most likely, was a wave there in '87/'88.

It's clear the bank was not to the angle or standard of today, with a few weird kinks and curves, but I'd say there definitely would have been some perfect sections.

Would it have been better than Guns, the reef that Sven and his mates were surfing?

Of that, we'll never know for sure." - Craig Brokensha

Past articles:
Skeleton Bay: The death of a wave foretold
Dislocated skeleton: The shifting position of Skeleton Bay

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Blowin commented Friday, 20 Mar 2020 at 1:26pm

I’m feeling you , mate.

Every one must have at least one story of heart wrenching regret.

For instance, I used to have this tragic stutter. I seriously couldn’t get two words out without taking half an hour to do so. I was a laughing stock in public and couldn’t hold down a job because of it.

I was put onto a specialist who finally revealed the truth .

“ Well , Blowin” he said “ I’ve managed to deduce the cause of your debilitating stutter. It is a side effect of your extraordinarily large penis extracting too much blood from your body , this renders your brain unable to focus on clear speech. There is a penis replacement operation I can perform if you wish to be able to speak clearly.”

I left the Doctor’s and thought long and hard about the situation- if you’ll excuse the pun - then returned to the Doc’s and pressed ahead with the operation.

The surgery was a success. My speech was clear as a bell. Words flowed smoothly from my mouth like water from a tap. It changed my life. Unfortunately I was now left with an average sized penis . I found I missed the thrill I gave women and the envious stares in the clubhouse showers . The ability to speak was great , but I regretted very much giving up my extraordinarily large penis.

Finally I could take it no more. I returned to the Doctor’s office and told him that I wanted my extraordinarily large penis reattached as I had finally realised that I valued it more than any words which could come ever from my mouth.

The Doctor stared at his feet . Shuffled the papers on his desk and refused to look me in the eye.

Finally he spoke..

“ Im af ...aff, I’m aff... I’m afraid that’s imp ...imp..imp....impossible.”

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seaslug commented Friday, 20 Mar 2020 at 3:39pm

Classic Blowin, love it

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svenseifr commented Friday, 20 Mar 2020 at 7:31pm

Ha, ha!!!

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john.saba commented Tuesday, 24 Mar 2020 at 11:18am

sooo funny :)

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bipola commented Friday, 20 Mar 2020 at 6:58pm

good one

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svenseifr commented Friday, 20 Mar 2020 at 7:36pm

Not convinced or buying the answer from the expert, Craig Broshenka. The main point of my story is that if you look at the very first, beautiful photo you can clearly the 'little lake' on the beach. The strip of sand between the little lake and the waves was apparently not there around 1986/1987. If that sand was not there then the entire setup would be a completely different ball game.

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.cylinders commented Saturday, 21 Mar 2020 at 11:54pm

So, this begs the question, why ask for expert advice if your response is to ignore the information supplied to you? Reiterating your own points in defence of your argument only implies a self-held belief of superiority over the other participants in the discussion.

Perhaps you are getting exasperated by constantly hearing that you may have indeed missed out on finding a wave there? I'd say a roundish blob of sand pointed at any open ocean is going to have a wave on it's day. It was probably the best wave in the UNIVERSE the day before you got there.

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udo commented Friday, 20 Mar 2020 at 7:42pm

Broshenka....

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Sprout commented Friday, 20 Mar 2020 at 8:04pm

Henceforth, to be known as Craig Smith or 'Smitty' to his friends.

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goofyfoot commented Friday, 20 Mar 2020 at 9:31pm

On the North Shore he’s known as Brahshenka..

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mibs-oner commented Friday, 20 Mar 2020 at 10:04pm

Guns is a burger I’m pretty sure you missed out big fella

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aussieguy commented Saturday, 21 Mar 2020 at 10:42am

Sounds like you still had it pretty good anyway Sven. Maybe pay Donkey Bay a visit. You may not be the first to surf it but I'm sure you'll get some epic rides.

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michaelzaracostas commented Saturday, 21 Mar 2020 at 12:07pm

Anyone surf Greasepot, Botany bay. A peeling left hander on the northern side of the bay on the way to Botany. Surfed it once. Now gobbled up by industry.

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Taprobane commented Saturday, 21 Mar 2020 at 1:54pm

Not sure if its the same spot but surfed Bumborah Pt. once which fits your description. The dirtiest , blackest water but I was amazed with 4-5 ft peeling left-handers. Plenty of people onto it.
Further inside the Bay could get all-time too at Joseph Banks and near airport runway.
Would love to see some photos as its all gone now under road and port.

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peterb commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 10:25am

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Blowin commented Saturday, 21 Mar 2020 at 2:16pm

Ugly isn’t on the rainbow.

Ugly is ugly.

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peterb commented Saturday, 21 Mar 2020 at 3:06pm

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Lottolonglong commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 7:50pm

Why U racist Pete?

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peterb commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 10:25am

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Lottolonglong commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 10:44pm

Ur black/white comment,or was that a typo?

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peterb commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 10:25am

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 24 Mar 2020 at 6:11am

You’ve just overlaid your bullshit on it , Pete.

A / No mention of colour of any parties male or female.

B/ Who says there’s no White girls out there ?

C/ Ever thought that the ten local girls wanted to be fucked senseless ? That is in fact why they were at a club with 100 men ?
You’ve purposefully chosen your words to paint a picture of innocent young girls subjected to racially motivated sexual assault and a perpetration of white / black power asymmetry which is an extension of white colonialism.

This is not based on anything written in the piece and it’s a bit rude of you to suggest.

I’ll let you in on a bit of wisdom I gained from years spent in remote work camps .....when there is 100 horny men and ten available women it’s not the men who have the power.

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thermalben commented Tuesday, 24 Mar 2020 at 6:30am

Sorry mate, what are you accusing me of?

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peterb commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 10:25am

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stunet commented Tuesday, 24 Mar 2020 at 8:00am

Pete,

I edited that piece, Ben didn't even read it till it went live. If I've overlooked something then I'm the one at fault.

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peterb commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 10:26am

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stunet commented Tuesday, 24 Mar 2020 at 9:00am

Well, you've caused me to second guess it - so there's that.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 24 Mar 2020 at 8:08am

I’ve never been to Africa . Looks nice.

What’s you blog ?

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peterb commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 10:26am

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 24 Mar 2020 at 9:23am

Huh ?

You just brought it up .

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peterb commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 10:26am

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 24 Mar 2020 at 1:34pm

It may be accurate , but with an endless litany of derogatory adjectives available you settled on “ prolific “ ?

Come on , Pete , live a little.

And the sexist and racist jibes .......sorry mate . Woefully incorrect. Girls like to be pumped , it’s a fact of life. If you’re a woman with a healthy libido and a less than spectacular visage , then a remote camp inhabited exclusively by men is a great place to get your box smashed......so I’ve been told !

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Lottolonglong commented Tuesday, 24 Mar 2020 at 5:57pm

Pete,I didn't get any underlying tones of sexism or racism in Svens piece, it was ur comment that made me ask what I asked.
Blowing is right about the power and numbers game,my last 3 trips to Indo have had non surfing women at g-land for a good knobbing and good on em too!!!
Shaming swellnet is pretty lame mate
Unsubscribe or don't read these forums would be my suggestion
Sven: I missed out on my local firing 3 weeks ago, absolutely perfect 6-8ft left's running for a couple hundred metres, probably the closest to the donkey we will get locally, it still gives me pain and heartache when I think about it
Being so close yet so far to the donkey would be torturous for me knowing what U know now, I hope U get back there one day mate!!!

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peterb commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 10:27am

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Mishad commented Saturday, 21 Mar 2020 at 5:56pm

This study might shed some light for you Sven. Looks like despite the shoreline being highly dynamic and changing yearly, back in the 80s the shoreline angle looks like it could have produced some decent waves.
https://www.mikepoweredbydhi.com/upload/dhisoftwarearchive/papersanddocs...

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Mishad commented Saturday, 21 Mar 2020 at 6:00pm

Actually, there might of been a wave...as what happened in the diagrams is the lake that is there now, was only beginning to close over, so there might of been a small portion of a spit and wave forming. Once the lake sealed over in the early 90s is when the epic 2km bank really started. I recall seeing some aerial photographs of the region showing its evolution from 1940s to early 2000s. Not sure where I saw them though.

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Clam commented Sunday, 22 Mar 2020 at 12:01pm

Great post cylinders and others

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garyg1412 commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 1:54pm

@svenseifr. How come you navy pricks got all the good gigs?? My brother got a navy call up and all he ever did was stay at my place, eat my food, go surfing and use the navy's assets to go fishing.

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PeteWebb commented Monday, 23 Mar 2020 at 5:48pm

You should have been here yesterday!

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Liquidline commented Tuesday, 24 Mar 2020 at 2:24pm

It wasn’t Bruce Brown who discovered Cape st Francis, it was his friend Dick Metz.
I can highly recommend listening to the 4 part Dick Metz interview on the surf Splendor podcasts, great story teller.

https://surfsplendorpodcast.com/301-dick-metz-part-two/

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peterb commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 10:27am

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 25 Mar 2020 at 10:36pm

That’s some embarrassing spam, Pete.

I value your opinion and perspective. Are you so desperate to validate it by website hits ?

Come on, mate . You’re the repository of surfing wisdom for a very influential era in Australian surfing history. You knew the characters involved firsthand. Don’t be offended because the Australian surfing population is engaged elsewhere. These are trying times !

Please just bring your perspective to Swellnet. Tell us the inconsequential minutia of a day at the beach or a trip up / down the coast in the time when you felt most powerful.

Don’t tell me about surf “ heroes” . That’s so Northern beaches Sydney. Tell me about your own surfing journey. It’s all new to me ...I’m Gen X.

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seeds commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 6:55am

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 25 Mar 2020 at 10:41pm

Actually...I just went to your website.

Whatever , you silly old fuckstick.

Just because your libido is in the toilet doesn’t mean everyone else’s is.

Yes....Women LOVE to get pumped. It’s called procreation and it’s quite popular if you care to look.

7.9 billion people didn’t spring from a well of reluctance you stupid old cock.

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peterb commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 10:27am

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 25 Mar 2020 at 11:05pm

Pete...remember when you were 16 and you’d dry hump a fence post ?

The world hasn’t changed mate . For Man nor woman.

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peterb commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 10:28am

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AndyM commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 8:46am

Catholic school Pete?

Seems like the guilt and the self-loathing lingers on.

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zenagain commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 12:04am

The language has changed though Blowy.

Just sayin'.

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Blowin commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 7:25am

On the contrary, Zen. It seems that nothing has changed. Some people are still trying to deny women their sexuality....1950’s all over again. They would still have you believe that women don’t desire sex.

Pete thinks that a woman who chooses to expose herself to male physical affection is a victim !

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zenagain commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 8:44am

Noboby is trying to deny a woman her sexuality. Also and not wishing to escalate things but I kinda thought the author could have chosen his words a bit better too. He could have written there were ten Nubian princesses with cold hearts and distant eyes, alluring but unobtainable but chose to write about a handful of slappers gagging for it.

I dunno mate, maybe i'm slowly waking up because even though i didn't give it a second thought, this little to an' fro has given me pause for reflection.

btw, i'm not without sin either, i can be a bit of a grub- when i mentioned that Ronnie Blakey fingered the ex-CEO of the ASL i was wondering if i'd get censured? My comment didn't last 30 mins so i'm guessing SW has its line.

Anyway mate- are you bored? I sure am.

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stunet commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 8:50am

Yeah, I agree too, Zen. It gave me pause for reflection.

That moment passed when I realised that Pete, as he has done many times before, is only pushing this issue to drive clicks on his site. It's got precisely zero to do with principle. I assume he's bored at home and finding it all a larf.

His subsequent post only reinforced that point. 

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AndyM commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 8:32am

“The culture of indigenous rape”

Pete now you’re just being ridiculous.
Maybe start by buying a dictionary.

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garyg1412 commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 9:45am

I'm not easily offended or a prude but regardless of whether peterb is a "stupid old cock"or what his ulterior motives are, some of the language and insinuations being bandied around on this thread are a new low on what is a really good website which most of us enjoy on a daily basis. Maybe try and connect your brains to your keyboard fingers sometimes before making knuckle dragging comments like we have here.

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Blowin commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 10:32am

Sorry if you don’t appreciate the language, Gary.

I just find that sometimes a bit of shock and awe is a good way to shut down the bracket creep of political correctness. In this instance it’s a fella not being allowed to suggest that girls would voluntarily visit a location where they are outnumbered by men with the intentions of improving their odds of finding a partner.

There is no mention of anyone’s skin colour and it’s irrelevant to anyone.

Nothing sexist or racist about what he wrote. Off colour maybe , but that’s a subjective assessment .

The political correctness shown here is actually Puritanism if you want to be a bit more accurate. That shit has been going on for hundreds of years and it’s never been pretty.

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peterb commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 10:28am

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stunet commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 10:17am

Jeez Pete, with all that's going on you think I could care?

Fuck mate, read a newspaper....

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stunet commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 10:40am

...and now you delete your posts here but leave decontextualised quotes on your site?

You've done some weird shit over the years but this is the first time you've acted like a coward.

Seriously mate, I'm sitting at home working while also homeschooling three kids, two of whom have respiratory issues, while getting roused on over at another thread cause I'd deign to go outside and retrieve some sanity every now and again, and you waltz in with this shit?

Just fuck off.

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peterb commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 11:35am

Well it's goodbye from me Stu ... as a deliberate social experiment it has worked just as I expected. We've had sexism, anger, racism, ageism, bigotry, obscenities, insults and ridicule ... and of course a few unsavoury references to religion.

Despite, as you said, "with all this going on."

By the way, I've deleted both posts on my site as well .... just to confound you further.

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zenagain commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 11:43am

It's a shame you did.

Respectfully, you're not the writer I thought you were in this instance.

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AndyM commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 11:59am

Peter your blog on the so-called culture of Indigenous rape was pretty outrageous not to mention defamatory and I'm glad you deleted it.

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peterb commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 12:00pm

To put it into perspective, Zen, Andy, I bought up two daughters on the northern beaches and found the same attitudes I’ve seen here about women had to be physically repelled when they were tried on my girls when they were young.
There was some violence involved, mine. I went at these blokes very hard, and thankfully I had the background to deal with them.
Now I do it with words ... and thanks for yours.
Pete Bowes

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Blowin commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 12:14pm

What attitude to women ?

Seems like it’s yourself trying to portray women as having no agency of their own .

Have you ever thought that the girls were considered “ foul “ because they were unkempt , overly drunk , bad breathed and with a durry permanently hanging from between their stained teeth ?

For some reason you jumped straight to the conclusion that their skin colour made them foul. You ever stopped to think that some guys prefer women with dark skin ? Or even that skin colour has no impact on beauty ?

I think you’re just a weirdo looking for offence and you’ll go to great extents to locate even the smallest possible misread of a statement so that you can jump up and down about it.

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Blowin commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 12:13pm

PB trying to find offence :

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AndyM commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 12:04pm

What the hell's that got to do with any of this?

How does what the author of the Swellnet article had written link to Indigenous rape?

Mate you need to have a Bex and a good lie down.

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zenagain commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 12:15pm

That's why i was compelled to post Pete. I understand the power of words.

I was disappointed to see yours disappear.

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peterb commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 12:22pm

There’s no sense in continually stirring up a wasps’ nest, Zen, when you don’t have the poison to kill them.

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Blowin commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 12:45pm

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White Knight
A person with low self esteem who combats this with a unwavering need to aid others who may or may not need it. They usually have very isolated personal lives as they are very judgmental of others, surrounding themselves only with those who feed their desire to help and feel as a savior. Most commonly sighted in young men in regards to women, this is only a lesser form as it is usually only temporary, fading with life experience. More serious cases occur in correlation with chronic self esteem problems where the person needs to maintain a high view of themselves through self righteous acts of kindness. These people enjoy surrounding themselves with troubled individuals, who form a farm which is harvested for what they use as pseudo self esteem.

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zenagain commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 12:57pm

Blowy, love your work mate, seriously. But, i reckon you've made your point.

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peterb commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 3:38pm
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Blowin commented Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 at 4:35pm

Misquoted and edited Today Tonight style to fit a narrative on the least read blog in the world.

And then commented on his own article under a pseudonym.

Wow