Kelly Slater and Greg Webber: Back to the 90s rocker ships

Stu Nettle
Design Outline

Twenty years ago Greg Webber was one of the world's best shapers. His revolutionary work with concave and rocker found tremendous expression under the feet of his top rider, Dee Why's Shane Herring. Over in the US, Al Merrick was exploring similar, though less extreme, concepts using Kelly Slater as his pilot. During the early 90s the two young surfers duelled, propelling the New School of surfing forward.

The rear view mirror of history shows that events didn't play out as exactly as planned, and the thin, heavily rockered design didn't endure. In more recent years Kelly Slater and Greg Webber have again been in opposing design camps, each pushing their vision for wave pools. Considering the history their relationship would seem to be one of permanent adversaries, except that Kelly Slater recently made an unexpected call to Greg Webber...

Swellnet: Was it a surprise to get a call from Kelly Slater?
Greg Webber: Yep! 

He was ordering boards. How many boards did he ask for?
Greg Webber: Two boards, a 5'11" and a 6'1". 

Was there anything else unusual in terms of their features or dimensions?
He saw the video of Shane Herring on a banana board and emailed me about the turns that Shane was doing. In fact he said it was the best carve surfing he's seen in the last 22 years. The video was shot by my brother Monty in 1992.

And do you know how the boards performed for him?
He wrote to me yesterday and said he's doing turns that he hasn't done before. So that's promising, as long as they are not rail bogs! He said some pretty good stuff but it's up to him to mention it publicly. 

Do you think he may ride them in competition? Obviously not the next comp, being Pipeline, but thereafter.
Actually he said he wants to get a 6'8" for Pipe. 

So you may shape some more for him?
Yeah he's wanting to get more and develop the design further. It's great that he has the guts to really dive in deep with design, very few competitive surfers ever do that. We're also working on some flexing fins that I've sent him that go well with all the curve. 

In recent years you’ve been in opposing wave pool camps. Does this devlopment mean the hatchet is buried?
Who knows mate. 

Watch this space for more news. Meanwhile, here's a trailer to the video of Shane shot by Monty Webber. Note: original article ran the full video but has been removed at the request of Tracks.

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top-to-bottom-bells commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 9:23am

That video of Herring is the shiz! The legacy of the Momentum generation is slide and above the lip surfing so it was a surprise to be reminded that mega carves were also being laid down.

I cant say I'm thrilled to see surfboard design head back that way, if that's what it does. Think I'll stick with what works for me this time around, I never could do those turns anyway!

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Greg Webber commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 8:59pm

It's only just another option. Not sure why this comment was made 20 years ago and again now. There are scores of board combinations that are accepted for the waves that they are designed for. Not Bells beach obviously, but waves that have a deeper trough at the bottom.

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stunet commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 9:32am

It was a good point his brother made in the vid, that during those carves there was no wiggles or double pumps. Those banana boards had to be constantly turned so lent themself to lots of short, misplaced turns to keep the speed going, yet watching his surfing Herring did very little of that. His big carves were all one hearty turn off the rail using most of the wave face.

It's only been in recent times that judges have marked down double pump bottom turns and rewarded big turns that flow and link. Gonna be interesting to see where Slater takes the design.

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Greg Webber commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 9:02pm

and all they need to do now is not judge the same things on the same ride. Two scores for the opposing elements per wave, but don't add them up for a combination wave score. Add them up at the heat end, irrespective of which wave they were derived from.

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mk1 commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 9:42am

So, the first round of the KS wavepool mind games begin,,,

That video was awesome - totally ripping.

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neville-beats-buddha commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 9:47am

mk1 wrote: So, the first round of the KS wavepool mind games begin,,,

First thing I thought of too. This is Kelly's "I love you man" moment and Greg is Andy Irons.

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backyard commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 4:49pm

neville-beats-buddha wrote:
mk1 wrote: So, the first round of the KS wavepool mind games begin,,,

First thing I thought of too. This is Kelly's "I love you man" moment and Greg is Andy Irons.

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backyard commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 4:59pm

More important for me is the coincidence of the mature Slater smashing current board in Portugal (wrong turn/style?)All this carving looks like JJF. Merrick's left the building, Slater designs his own, will Webber get a chunk of what comes next?
By the way isn't Greg Webber still relevant , or is that next week? Love how laconic he is.

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Greg Webber commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 9:06pm

Not true, we've been talking about waves and wave pools the whole time. Yes different camps but it's a big world out there and who knows what might eventuate.

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Craig commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 10:14am

Shane absolutely ripping in that Vid, haven't seen much footage of him, but man after seeing that it's a shame he went down the road he did. Was anyone else surfing as progressive as that?

+2 on the Kelly mind games as well.

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udo commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 10:50am

Repeat after me ,I am free . on Vimeo
A few waves of Herro around the 6.50 mins mark ....much later than 1992.

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mothart commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 10:54am

Good to see how honest everybody interviewed on the vid where.
They could have glossed over it, but didn't.

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donweather commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 10:55am

I wonder how a McKee quad setup on a banana board would go? Drivey from the quad setup and yet pivoty in the pocket turns from the excessive rocker? Just a thought?

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stunet commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 12:03pm

I emailed Kelly a very similar question. Lets see if he responds.

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Greg Webber commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 9:10pm

That's what I made. Both boards are quads but the tail fins I have sent him are semi keel shapes, and they have only one tab at the front and so the whole back half flexes. So five fins will be tried next. The tail fins are foiled both sides and very thin so when they bend and match the arc of the turn then there is next to no drag.

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nochaser commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 9:54am

gregw wrote: That's what I made. Both boards are quads but the tail fins I have sent him are semi keel shapes, and they have only one tab at the front and so the whole back half flexes. So five fins will be tried next. The tail fins are foiled both sides and very thin so when they bend and match the arc of the turn then there is next to no drag.

Greg what about the fifth fin? Large or small match existing profile double foil or a smaller knub?

Brett - he could be a commentator a very good one possesses great surfing knowledge and has a PHD in Australian and indo emerald caverns but he would write off the ASP tour much to the delight of the viewers in Australia but Americans wouldn't get it! Roy and HG state of origin commentary of the pipe master ala "The herring brothers disect pipe".

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Feralkook commented Friday, 18 Jan 2019 at 2:31pm

Now that would be a cack having Roy and HG commentating on some of the bigger events. Those two would rip it apart and leave the rest sitting there with their jaw in their lap, especially if they worked the "Battered sav" into it.

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udo commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 11:14am

Banana board McKee quad with Webber curved flexi fins......at maxing pipe.

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Greg Webber commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 9:29pm

classic! I never thought I read such a sentence.

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Pedrochap commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 12:30pm

Wow now that's a power hack!! Ripping shano!! Tried surfing on one of these 90's throwbacks when I snapped my last board. Great in anything over 3ft but bog city on anything smaller!!

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uplift commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 2:41pm

Yeh, not glossed over truth is deluxe. BIG... LEGS... TURNS. Skinny guys... air/farts. Don't blame me, just get on with it.

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fraser-gordon commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 4:34pm

The O'neil vid where most of the footage was from has some unreal surfing on it.From what I can remember most of the guy's are riding the Webber banana's Richie"Rubberman"Lovett and Rommel were ripping as well and a great soundtrack too boot.T.I.S.M.Yeah and Brett's a ripper also.

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Greg Webber commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 9:11pm

well done mate, nobody even remembers that film. and yes the other guys were doing some great turns too.

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freeride76 commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 11:30am

I've never forgotten that film....captured S. Herring at his peak. Left a deep impression on me. Anyone know where to get it or would be willing to burn a DVD for private use.

How fucking good was it to see Herros surfing from that period?

It's amazing looking back to see how, considering the New School surfing was all about tail-sliding, to see just how robust and rail oriented his surfing was....it's possible to conceive Modern Surfing going on a completely different path if Judges and the Surf Media had somehow cottoned onto what Herro was doing and didn't fall to the commercial Kelly-Gasm which his surfing and persona engendered.

Thanks Heaps for posting that up.

I shot some footy of Herro during an aborted comeback in 95-96. He was on McCoys then and drawing some amazing lines...not the electric concave lines above but like watching Barry Kaniuapuni at Sunset. Full power fades and bottom turns..Saw him do the best top turn I've ever seen to this day just down the road here, as well as some amazing loosely wound part-animal part machine shenanginans that blew peoples minds.

here's a still of it:

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Blowin commented Wednesday, 5 Nov 2014 at 5:44pm

Re : The Oneil video.
I've got an old copy of it- I used to have a running tirade with a mate over which surfing was better, that or Momentum. I'll be able to get hold of it at chrissy and then I'll attempt to copy it for you if your still keen.

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mjh commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 4:56pm

My lasting memory of Shane was watching he and Tom Carroll surfing solid 10' Dee Why point one day back in the mid nineties. I was out of my league so I sat on the shoulder and watched Shane and Tom pull into overhead barrels for 2 hours.
I still have the image in my head of Shane pitted and standing tall with both arms stretched as high as he could reach and still not touching the barrel with a massive smile on his face.
Front row seat to high class surfing. I'll never forget it.

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Hshs commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 6:31pm

My god he was ripping, seen waves here and there, but never full package!!
That combo snaps after the board is laying in the pool would be a 9.5 on the CT today..
Fuck KS is switched on, all other CT guys would disregard this video, but he sees a opportunity, they are very similar surfers... Like Shane said your either skinny leg air dude or big thigh power guy and it's time to see which direction, Maybe slater wants both!! Big hack into 540

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Greg Webber commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 9:35pm

well said mate. esp the bit about Kelly's ability to actually see what was happening and then to have the balls to dive into it. Not that creating lines that have never been drawn would hurt his reputation.

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caml commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 6:53pm

Great footage i remember shane caught my attention at margy river the first time i ever saw him surf about that time . He really stood out

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blindboy commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 7:52pm

Extra rocker at Pipe goes back a long way for backhand surfers. So I am thinking Kelly is just using someone with known expertise, perhaps cynically, to make boards for a particular event, possibly in conjunction with a modified repertoire.

I was lucky enough to surf with Shane quite a few times when he was at his peak and sat and watched at other times. He was a great surfer in a tradition of surfers with artistic temperaments who were never going to fit in to the hyper competitive world of pro surfing. In my judgement his only drive was the surfing itself. He just wanted to achieve a certain standard and style and he did. Suggesting that he was in anyway a failure is to miss the point completely.

I actually don't know Shane well but I have caught up with Brett regularly for quite a few years now and find him to be one of the shrewdest technical analysts of surfing going around, not to mention a great surfer in his own right who, having seen what pro surfing did to his brother, had the good sense to go his own way.

They have both copped a lot of ignorant criticism over the years from those prepared to take the high moral ground. For me I rate both very highly in and out of the water. Great surfers who could never be clones, yes boys or what someone else wanted them to be. Great characters, and there are way too few of them.

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freeride76 commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 8:04pm

"I actually don't know Shane well but I have caught up with Brett regularly for quite a few years now and find him to be one of the shrewdest technical analysts of surfing going around, not to mention a great surfer in his own right who, having seen what pro surfing did to his brother, had the good sense to go his own way."

I've had plenty to do with Shane over the years and at times his lucid expositions on surfing technique have been amazing and certainly been a major influence on my very average skills.

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stunet commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 8:19pm

It'd be a pretty amazing thing if boards once again went down the rocker road and, looking back in hindsight, that video of Shane is seen as an inspiration for the change.

Yeah, I'm getting way ahead of myself, but shit, that'd be legit vindication of his surfing and 100 times better than the beers-with-Shane interview that gets trotted out every year or so.

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blindboy commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 8:22pm

That ability to analyse and implement change is an under-estimated aspect of surfing skill freeride. Most of us rely way too much on habit and instinct and only rarely bother to really think through what we are doing, and even more rarely do we then go on to apply it in the surf. Do you think the ASP or whoever they are now are ready for a Herring brothers commentary team? It would certainly grab some attention!

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Greg Webber commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 9:20pm

Scarier still would be my brother Will commentating for the ASP... It'd be more uncomfortable than Gervais at the Golden Globes.

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Pettex commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 10:42pm

This I need to hear! Overdub some please!

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Greg Webber commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 11:03pm
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braudulio commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 10:28am

gregw wrote: try this one Pettex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN5tT05Zh0Q

That kid needs to either halve the dose, or double it!

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Pettex commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 1:10pm

Half of the gear is still plastered all over his face!

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indo-dreaming commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 8:27pm

Those boards had there good points, I'm sure kelly will get the best out of them rehashed in 2014 style.

I could see them working in those events where the waves are short and bowly, Rio & Portugul.

Crazy to think that footage is 20 years old, in a way surfing hasn't really progressed that much, sure kids can fly and spin, but those turns he was doing were as good as anyone these days.

Compare that footage to the best surfing 20 years before it and there is a huge difference.

For further reference and common sense.

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Greg Webber commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 9:38pm

dead on. In fact see if anyone can find video record of anyone doing carve turns as on rail and as fast. Just check the footage again and watch Shane surfing on flatter vee bottoms verses the curvy concaves, very good but not electric. The lower the rocker the more restricted the lines, so you tend to labour your carve turns and over accentuate them. So long as the wave has speed and the board has grip then more curve opens more doors.

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simba commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 10:01pm

Thank God a breath of fresh air in a stuffy 10 years of board design,Neil Purchase jnr doing Jim Pollard channels and now Greg w talking /designing with KS, awesome because it was getting boring.

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indo-dreaming commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 11:06pm

Boring...

I don't know about that there is more variety in board design now more than ever, you can walk into a surf shop and there is all kind of boards from single fins, twins,, quads, thrusters to fishes and all kind of grovel boards, a variety of builds and even some out there shapes like Tomos and his planing hulls.

While back early 90,s everyone just wanted to ride what the pros rode which was a 6ft x 18.5 (or less) x 2 1/4, square tail thruster.

I think now the public is almost mature like in that we may get one of these boards for certain conditions but most of us hopefully wont be fooled into thinking we can use it as a one board quiver.

And sadly unless they figure out a way for them to plane over fat sections us guys in Vicco wont even have a point in revisiting them :(

For further reference and common sense.

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caml commented Wednesday, 29 Oct 2014 at 11:12pm

Geez greg w has just shifted something very heavy . BB you just pointed out somethin about brett i didnt notice . He could be a great commentator

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simba commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 6:33am

Yeah Indo D your right in what you say ,but Kelly has a massive influence on what we ride today so its exciting to see him revisit old ground with a twist and Greg w has certainly shaken the board design tree and no doubt will again.

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finback commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 7:14am

I would love to see Will Webber join the ASP Morning show crew.

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brutus commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 7:55am

what are the dimensions of the 5 11 and 6 1...as these look like his pipe lengths.......??

Good to hear that GW kept all his old rockers etc.......and Kelly is out there looking for new inspiration as it must be incredibly hard for C I riders to get new designs with out a designer/shaper........Dane has been trying to get bds of mayhem for a year now.......no thank you....as Matt would then be giving designs to C I and they are one of his major competitors...

as for Kelly's bds....no may people can ride them,as He surfs with his weight on his front foot and keeps his back foot just resting on the pad......so he uses a different rail line.......to just about everybody on tour.....

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Greg Webber commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 8:52pm

Just standard width and thickness that Kelly usually has, 18 1/2 and 2 ¼.

By the way I didn't have any of the old curves on file since AKU shaper didn't even exist back then. I just had to remember them.

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brutus commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 9:05am

gregw wrote: Just standard width and thickness that Kelly usually has, 18 1/2 and 2 ¼.

By the way I didn't have any of the old curves on file since AKU shaper didn't even exist back then. I just had to remember them.

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udo commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 10:23am

Greg I hope you have a few thousand 5'11- 6'1 - 6'8- blanks precut......cause after that first pic of ol baldy on the north shore with a Webber under his arm surfaces........board orders comin out of ya arse
When was the last time you shaped a board for taj ?

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Greg Webber commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 8:58pm

Hopefully!! It annoyed the blank makers 20 years ago and will probably do so again. The first blank this time around, took three goes to get right. The tool path kept missing the bottom of the board as the cutters just went into a blank space where the file was still bending. In the end I went to Surfblanks and they very kindly cut the machined blank in half so we could then trace the deck line of the cut blank onto some stringer timber and know for sure that it would match. I've forgotten the name of the guy who helped down there but he was really good about it. I can't remember when I last did one for Taj.

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clif commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 11:09am

I'm enjoying reading the comments but got to thinking: what is the average age of the people on this forum? Sheesh ... old buggers the lot of you.

;-)

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stunet commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 11:28am

Bought this board off Gumtree last month for $30. Early- to mid-90s maybe? It doesn't have the rocker of Greg's Insight's from the same period, but at 6'0" x 17 x 21/4 it's super low volume.

Thinking I might give it a run just to see how those low vol boards worked.

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freeride76 commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 11:33am

Make sure you pre-book with the chiropractor before you give it a spin Stu.

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stunet commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 11:39am

Don't know if that's a worry, I'll likely just sink the thing.

I've also got a board that I bought at Manly 2-3 years ago, made by Nigel Annesly for Dayyan Neve. It's a total early-90s remake - 6'0" x 18 x 2 1/4, deep and long concave, very thin through the tail, and consistent rocker from nose to tail. I pulled it off the rack at Aloha and thought to myself that someone has been revisiting the past. Guess it didn't work for Dayoof cos he didn't hold onto it. Crazy board, but.

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burgsurfer commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 1:14pm

I have just gone the other way recently. My hey-day was he early to mid nineties and I was surfing on 6'2 to 6'4 about 18 wide and 2 1/4 thick. over the last 13 years I have slowly bulked my boards up as I have grown into my skin ;-)

Last Saturday I was riding a 6'4, 19 wide, 2 7/8 thick shaped like a slightly bulked up 90's flick stick out at Uluwatu and I snapped it in 3 places, broke a fin off and the tail was mangled from the leash all from pulling into a thick double up that closed out to fast. Despite the local ding repairer telling me he could fix it in 1 hour, I gave it to him and told him he could fix and sell it.

On my way back to my Villa in Seminyak, I did something I have not done in 29 years and went to surfboard shop and purchased a rack board, a 6'4 Bourton Bottom Feeder. I surfed it in 3 to 5ft super fun but powerless beach break in Bali on Sunday and had the best surf in years. I was surfing fast, keeping speed and able to do some great turns ... http://www.bourtonshapes.com/the-bottom-feeder/

I reckon that Slater will make those boards work, you could do the most amazing high speed turns on them but getting and keeping the speed was always difficult - I used to surf 2 to 8 hours a day in the early 90's and the boards were amazing. These days I surf two to 3 times a week for 30 to 90 mins - so I need a board now that has speed already and keeps it and something like the bottom feeder is what I should have gotten onto 15 years ago.

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Halfscousehalfc... commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 7:20pm

I have to agree with burgsurfer, I was riding a 6'6 heavily rockered board that only went good in 4 foot plus waves 18 yrs ago, now I'm riding 6'1 low rockered board that rips up to 5ft. For the average NSW surfer the lower rockered boards are going to work cause 50 percent of the time we are surfing 2ft shitty beach breaks, mixed in with an occasional point break. The heavily rockered boards go off in the reefs and beaches when they're pumping as it big enough to push the board along, however I reckon the transition is too hard and you need a step up similar to the low rockered board, but I m stating the obvious. Shane was ripping, was in his prime and was pro, that's why the boards worked, slater will get them to work, I'll be on my "average" surfer board.

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rooftop commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 2:44am

"Shane was ripping, was in his prime and was pro, that's why the boards worked, slater will get them to work, I'll be on my "average" surfer board"

Yeah, me too, halfy. I'm getting much more joy out of a little more volume, a little less rocker.

I wonder if that has been the major shift in board design in the last fifteen years or so; that there is now a clearer distinction between pro boards and average joe boards?

I'd say people are less concerned nowadays with trying to ride what Kelly rides, and just want something that's going to make them surf better and more easily while still delivering decent performance.

Works for me. But then, I am 15 years older now..... *creak*

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Bucky Goldstein commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 7:43pm

Shane was one of my fave surfers from that era, as previously stated his hacks were among the best. Shane Powel rivalled his vertical attack, not sure where he is at at the moment. Interestingly I saw a recent article about Shaun Munro working in Bondi these days, he was also up there for flair at the time.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the influence Sarge had on Herro as he started his tour campaign.
Pretty sure I've still got a copy of the Oneill vid floating around, they score the Barrier reef if its the one I'm thinking of and Col Bernasconi even comes close to landing a couple of flips.

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udo commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 8:34pm

What influence may have Sarge had on Herro as he started his tour campaign ?

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uplift commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 9:53pm

'Interestingly I saw a recent article about Shaun Munro working in Bondi these days, he was also up there for flair at the time.'

He and some other guys came over here and surfed a really nice left, a reef/beachy setup. So did a young bloke from here. I was there surfing a right nearby, and saw a lot of hot surfing that day. Munro ripped. And that red hot, young guy from here opened their eyes, blew them away how good he was. Nuggety, fit cunt. As Herring said... BIG LEGS = CARVING. As has been highlighted, a rare, astute observation. Yeh, Shmucker stole the show. Left some local egos even more dented and spewing. 'Legends'... left eternally fighting it out for the minor placings.

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inzider commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 10:31pm

Uplift, big legs do not = carving, technique=carving.

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blindboy commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 10:41pm

Maybe not inzider but they can certainly help. I don't know of any serious work done to determine optimum lower body development for surfing but I would be willing to place a significant bet that if it is done it will demonstrate that most of us fall below the mark.

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uplift commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 11:06pm

Hey, don't blame me inzy, Herrings fucked up then, coulda sworn that's what he said. looks like astuteness is even rarer than highlighted. So, how the fuck would you know anyway? The hardest, and easily fastest carvers in the world, incomparible speeds and forces compared to surfing, don't believe that. That's the downhill racers and giant slalom. They work their arses off to get big glutes and quads, to cope with technique, magnify and increase and improve on the highest speed, edge holding, precision carves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewAGhogItcw

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zenagain commented Thursday, 30 Oct 2014 at 11:18pm

Sweet vid, even though I'm not a skier. Cheers for that one.

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uplift commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 12:04am

'Oh and how I know is because I am 90 kgs of raw power. Thouroughbred machine thankyou very much.'

Herring said, BIG/LEGS=TURNS. And his rare astuteness is highlighted. Again, don't blame me.

So, expounding on your take on things, which is different to his, what you are saying, is that you are a useless cunt. Fugly too. 90 kg (still a bit light in my books) of thoroughbred bullshit. Even better than lightweight bullshit. How many sets/reps are you squatting 90 with strict form? How much rest do you need between sets? We can easily test it. Get out of the little, tiny scaffold box, if they'll let you, and come on down. Think outside the box, enlarge, get bigger. Grow. Skinny isn't pulling the fans. Maybe you are attracted to skinny, little guys? Hey, free world, your choice.

'Thankyou very much'

Always happy to lift you up.

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inzider commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 12:41am

oh dear, another thread that uplift has to bleat on about how awesome big muscles are. FFS.
Not quite sure on your logic there lycra man. But judging by your last post you struggle to deconstruct the most basic of text. Im not sure if your amazing huge muscles are stealing too much O2 (oxygen) from your pea brain, but it seems to me you still struggle a little with the basics and your self confidence if you have to resort to homosexual themed rebuttles. Such a git.

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imshitnmiself commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 1:12am

Kelly is going backwards to go forwards. Herrings turns were and to this day are still next level. GW has a beautiful mind. Can Kelly and GW blend the banana into the perfect smoothie???....Will we see Kelly go absolutely bananas in Greg pool???...Stay tuned imgettnexcited.

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Greg Webber commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 9:23am

Banana Smoothy, I'm using that for a new model! Thanks imshitnmiself

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udo commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 8:12am

The full vid can be seen by googling: Shane Herring journey on brother.

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Bucky Goldstein commented Saturday, 1 Nov 2014 at 6:08pm

Awesome, it was a shame the full edit went in the first place.

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memlasurf commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 9:03am

And have arms of titanium.

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brutus commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 9:06am

gregw wrote:Just standard width and thickness that Kelly usually has, 18 1/2 and 2 ¼.
By the way I didn't have any of the old curves on file since AKU shaper didn't even exist back then. I just had to remember them

hey Greg...supa impressed the ol grey matter can remember the curves....what was the nose and tail lift??

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Greg Webber commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 9:26am

I just bent it in the AKU shaper program until it looked like what they were. I didn't measure until the end of the bending. They are actually about 5% less rocker than the Herring ones. Can't say what the measures were just yet though. I'd rather get it totally sorted before mentioning numbers.

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roondog commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 9:42am

oh great paper thin boards, with insane amounts of rocker.
Good for the under 75kg and under 30's.
Thought things were looking up when the extra width, thickness and volume was making a "come back".

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freeride76 commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 10:24am

I'm wondering if these might be tweaked for the average rec surfer, especially for good bowly waves where they excel.

I got a Jim Banks board with heaps of rocker and deep single conny. But the board had a rounded nose and is thick. Paddles pretty good, loves it steep and deep. Maybe there is some room to move here.

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udo commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 10:52am

Very little cant on those front fins...Whats the degrees Freeride ?
Wingnuts FFW page a little read on his fin cant tinkering.

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freeride76 commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 10:34am

not sure mate, the board is in a bad way covered in dust at the bottom of the house. I'll try and dig it up later.

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udo commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 11:22am

Greg Webber, Sideways surf have your sonic , mistress, gutterlover models for sale for $495 ....are these Aust made or Thai ?

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the-roller commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 11:27am

Talk about too much catalyst in the mix, has everyone in the shaping end of things stagnated so hard that farking early 90's boards are now the shitz?

Fortunately, the disease has not infected everyone!

Thank RT, (who singlehandly made The Bruce Movie), who just produced, filmed, and edited for this instant classic.

Yew!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJpEHK6VjcA

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udo commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 11:45am

Ryan Birch the coolest most likeable seppo you will ever meet.

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uplift commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 1:40pm

Shit, sorry to keep you up all night stressing inzless. It was actually Herro that astutely highlighted the BIG... LEGS = CARVING and skinny guys = air. And those that know him well, highlight his rare astuteness and ability to understand the requirements of good surfing. Obviously, that shatters your wrong illusion, your delusion, and is difficult to deal with. So, you can't sleep. Don't blame me. Be skinny, be attracted to skinny, who cares? Certainly not, and never the paying public sought by ASP surfing.

'Look at dudes like laird hamilton, absolute machine but fugly style and a horror to watch.'

Yeah, the whole fucking planet stood up and watched the guy and applauded, and payed, you fucking imbecile. You corkhead. He changed surfing forever.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=laird%27s+millennium+wave+at+teahupoo...

But, cutting through your thorough, bred bullshit,

'How many sets/reps are you squatting 90 with strict form? How much rest do you need between sets? We can easily test it.'

Athletes are interested in that sort of thing. But, I already knew the answer, we'll take the ever flapping tongue, yet the silence as sweet fuck all, nada, zilch. Too fuck'n hard. And yet easily the worlds best, the worlds hardest carvers, all happening at the highest of speeds and forces, and who want even harder and faster and better technique/skill:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS1Z45JVnJw

Carving hard really pulls them in. Catches the eye. Hence Herring. All those years ago, yet, blows people away even now.. And HE makes his astute observation. BIG... LEGS = CARVING.

Patterning, conditioning, never underestimate its power and reach. Poor slattsy. Again, the never ending story, the pattern, the program, the repeat button. All on the day he did his new trick too. That skinny, flippy thing. Sure, got a bit of a look, like a kid balancing a coin on his nose or something, but right when he did it, everyone ran off to watch the big boys, the real 'elite athletes'. Fuckin' Haynesy!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!!! But yes, rejected by the masses again, that fucking pattern. Jarrod Hayne, Australias best rugby player, the superstar of Aussie League announced he was gonna have a shot against the most elite athletes on the planet, in the NFL. And so it took over... the trick got buried, rejected... again, and all wondered around the globe if Aussies best, would stand a chance in that heady arena. Hayne himself announced he would have to risk all, and work his arse off, to mix it with the best. Good on him, he will put it all on the line, to get a shot at being up there with the best, the elite athletes. Rising to the challenge. A chance at being the first Aussie ever to be a real standout with the elite, the NFL, the very best.

But surfing, including slattsey, went 'skinny', as noted by Herro. Now bloody Herro and his fucking carving is hogging the limelight! LEGS!!!! BIG LEGS!!! CARVING. So slattsey is getting a board, trying to get in on that light. Bruteless spotted a problem, a big one too, and one I've raised before. Slattsey's got no back foot. Never has. Not many have. A steerer. Steering, not carving, not adding power and speed to the equation, like the downhill racers. Trying to, as one dullard on here quoted, 'dump, wash off speed' . Dump fucking carving!!! How about creating it... back foot stomping it. Thats what the fans want. They'll pay for that. Where to get the fuckin' legs though. Thank God for boardies.

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eat-your-vegies commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 6:51pm

uplift wrote: Shit, sorry to keep you up all night stressing inzless. It was actually Herro that astutely highlighted the BIG... LEGS = CARVING and skinny guys = air. And those that know him well, highlight his rare astuteness and ability to understand the requirements of good surfing. Obviously, that shatters your wrong illusion, your delusion, and is difficult to deal with. So, you can't sleep. Don't blame me. Be skinny, be attracted to skinny, who cares? Certainly not, and never the paying public sought by ASP surfing.

'Look at dudes like laird hamilton, absolute machine but fugly style and a horror to watch.'

Yeah, the whole fucking planet stood up and watched the guy and applauded, and payed, you fucking imbecile. You corkhead. He changed surfing forever.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=laird%27s+millennium+wave+at+teahupoo...

But, cutting through your thorough, bred bullshit,

'How many sets/reps are you squatting 90 with strict form? How much rest do you need between sets? We can easily test it.'

Athletes are interested in that sort of thing. But, I already knew the answer, we'll take the ever flapping tongue, yet the silence as sweet fuck all, nada, zilch. Too fuck'n hard. And yet easily the worlds best, the worlds hardest carvers, all happening at the highest of speeds and forces, and who want even harder and faster and better technique/skill:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS1Z45JVnJw

Carving hard really pulls them in. Catches the eye. Hence Herring. All those years ago, yet, blows people away even now.. And HE makes his astute observation. BIG... LEGS = CARVING.

Patterning, conditioning, never underestimate its power and reach. Poor slattsy. Again, the never ending story, the pattern, the program, the repeat button. All on the day he did his new trick too. That skinny, flippy thing. Sure, got a bit of a look, like a kid balancing a coin on his nose or something, but right when he did it, everyone ran off to watch the big boys, the real 'elite athletes'. Fuckin' Haynesy!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!!! But yes, rejected by the masses again, that fucking pattern. Jarrod Hayne, Australias best rugby player, the superstar of Aussie League announced he was gonna have a shot against the most elite athletes on the planet, in the NFL. And so it took over... the trick got buried, rejected... again, and all wondered around the globe if Aussies best, would stand a chance in that heady arena. Hayne himself announced he would have to risk all, and work his arse off, to mix it with the best. Good on him, he will put it all on the line, to get a shot at being up there with the best, the elite athletes. Rising to the challenge. A chance at being the first Aussie ever to be a real standout with the elite, the NFL, the very best.

But surfing, including slattsey, went 'skinny', as noted by Herro. Now bloody Herro and his fucking carving is hogging the limelight! LEGS!!!! BIG LEGS!!! CARVING. So slattsey is getting a board, trying to get in on that light. Bruteless spotted a problem, a big one too, and one I've raised before. Slattsey's got no back foot. Never has. Not many have. A steerer. Steering, not carving, not adding power and speed to the equation, like the downhill racers. Trying to, as one dullard on here quoted, 'dump, wash off speed' . Dump fucking carving!!! How about creating it... back foot stomping it. Thats what the fans want. They'll pay for that. Where to get the fuckin' legs though. Thank God for boardies.

sorry matey , I have to disagree with you on one point here.

yeah ks drives hard off his front foot. and that's probably why he loves those fred rubbles so much.

but he's got a serious back foot in his rep and tight power carves are what keeps him on tour at 42.

im not saying there arnt more powerful guys on tour (like Jordy etc) but slats aint just a wippy air dude like medina. luv him or hate him but hes got the full package.

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goofyfoot commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 7:35pm

eat-your-vegies wrote:
uplift wrote: Shit, sorry to keep you up all night stressing inzless. It was actually Herro that astutely highlighted the BIG... LEGS = CARVING and skinny guys = air. And those that know him well, highlight his rare astuteness and ability to understand the requirements of good surfing. Obviously, that shatters your wrong illusion, your delusion, and is difficult to deal with. So, you can't sleep. Don't blame me. Be skinny, be attracted to skinny, who cares? Certainly not, and never the paying public sought by ASP surfing.

'Look at dudes like laird hamilton, absolute machine but fugly style and a horror to watch.'

Yeah, the whole fucking planet stood up and watched the guy and applauded, and payed, you fucking imbecile. You corkhead. He changed surfing forever.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=laird%27s+millennium+wave+at+teahupoo...

But, cutting through your thorough, bred bullshit,

'How many sets/reps are you squatting 90 with strict form? How much rest do you need between sets? We can easily test it.'

Athletes are interested in that sort of thing. But, I already knew the answer, we'll take the ever flapping tongue, yet the silence as sweet fuck all, nada, zilch. Too fuck'n hard. And yet easily the worlds best, the worlds hardest carvers, all happening at the highest of speeds and forces, and who want even harder and faster and better technique/skill:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS1Z45JVnJw

Carving hard really pulls them in. Catches the eye. Hence Herring. All those years ago, yet, blows people away even now.. And HE makes his astute observation. BIG... LEGS = CARVING.

Patterning, conditioning, never underestimate its power and reach. Poor slattsy. Again, the never ending story, the pattern, the program, the repeat button. All on the day he did his new trick too. That skinny, flippy thing. Sure, got a bit of a look, like a kid balancing a coin on his nose or something, but right when he did it, everyone ran off to watch the big boys, the real 'elite athletes'. Fuckin' Haynesy!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!!! But yes, rejected by the masses again, that fucking pattern. Jarrod Hayne, Australias best rugby player, the superstar of Aussie League announced he was gonna have a shot against the most elite athletes on the planet, in the NFL. And so it took over... the trick got buried, rejected... again, and all wondered around the globe if Aussies best, would stand a chance in that heady arena. Hayne himself announced he would have to risk all, and work his arse off, to mix it with the best. Good on him, he will put it all on the line, to get a shot at being up there with the best, the elite athletes. Rising to the challenge. A chance at being the first Aussie ever to be a real standout with the elite, the NFL, the very best.

But surfing, including slattsey, went 'skinny', as noted by Herro. Now bloody Herro and his fucking carving is hogging the limelight! LEGS!!!! BIG LEGS!!! CARVING. So slattsey is getting a board, trying to get in on that light. Bruteless spotted a problem, a big one too, and one I've raised before. Slattsey's got no back foot. Never has. Not many have. A steerer. Steering, not carving, not adding power and speed to the equation, like the downhill racers. Trying to, as one dullard on here quoted, 'dump, wash off speed' . Dump fucking carving!!! How about creating it... back foot stomping it. Thats what the fans want. They'll pay for that. Where to get the fuckin' legs though. Thank God for boardies.

sorry matey , I have to disagree with you on one point here.

yeah ks drives hard off his front foot. and that's probably why he loves those fred rubbles so much.

but he's got a serious back foot in his rep and tight power carves are what keeps him on tour at 42.

im not saying there arnt more powerful guys on tour (like Jordy etc) but slats aint just a wippy air dude like medina. luv him or hate him but hes got the full package.

Uppy I'm gunna pull you up on another one. NFL players the most elite athletes out of them all?? Kidding yourself mate

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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 7:42pm

Sure are especially compared to AFL players, NFL have strength, but not the stamina, fitness or speed of AFL players.

For further reference and common sense.

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fraser-gordon commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 1:37pm

Great surfing by the yank but where talking about Herring's hack's?Those board's wouldn't hold through one of those turn's and end up in two bit's from the little bugger's power.

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uplift commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 1:48pm

Ahh, one of the infamous 'fighting gordon's', head pops up from the back of the sandhills. Hey, don't blame me, he said it!

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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 5:29pm

Wonder if there is a way to keep the benefits of the design but soften the negatives such as the lack of planning when not sucky.

Im no shaper but would it help if they were wider? or keep the rocker in the rail but flatten the rocker through the middle with a concave, or more of a three stage rocker.

You would imagine now boards are ridden shorter the lack of planning effect would be even worse than when boards were ridden at over six foot.

BTW. I always liked a bit of flip in the end of the nose, possibly pointless but visually it did it for me and thats a start to a good board, kind of like finding a partner, you got to like the look of them first before you dig deeper.

I still reckon if Kelly pulls them out on tour it will be at the short suck beachies, will probably allow him to do those crazy turns in the steep sections and maybe fit in that extra turn on everyone else, maybe pull it out when the judges have decide barrels aren't scoring.

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udo commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 7:53pm

Highline ,on vimeo Check out these rail to rail power turns with normal legs = carving.
At 6min carving on a v bottom black beauty with normal legs.

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uplift commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 9:26pm

Bloody bruteless!!! Sayin' slattseys got no backfoot!!! Sort him veg!!! And get the skinny buggers to show the downhillers how to handle the speeds and forces!!! Like RCJ (the worlds greatest athlete) and thunderless thighs did when they broke that world speed record... the one that made the world stand still... and rolled off the side of their boards just trying to stand there, going heaps slower... that showed the bloody world!!!

Bloody Haynsey, aussies best, most elite league player, reckons the NFL is the elite, ultimate testing ground!!! So he's heading off there!!! Prick!!! Stitch him up goofball!!! Carve him up skinny!!!

Pull the fuck'n world up boys, surely they'll listen now!!! Fuck'n skinny rules!!! Make em give the skinny little buggers the big pay cheques!!! Dane's a fuck'n super athlete... stupid pricks!!!

Bloody Herro!!! Callin em skinny cunts!!! Reckons they need BIG LEGS TO CARVE Fuck'n astute my arse... google that fucker udesless!!!

Bloody downhillers ,surfees go heaps faster, as we speak bruteuseless has been testing his 70MPH board for yonks... Still not fast enough... but wait till RCJ loads the fucker up!!! Heaps faster than the skiers, heaps more force too!!!

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braudulio commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 9:51pm

Uplift, are you on the same stuff that Chud kid's on? Just curious.

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if you do not understand, THINGS ARE JUST AS THEY ARE.’

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uplift commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 10:08pm

Na, not me brauds. Whats it like? How much ya sellin' it for? Just curious. There's probably a few here would take off your hands though? By the way, just curious, ya wouldn't be skinny would ya? Bloody Herro!!!

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braudulio commented Saturday, 1 Nov 2014 at 9:52am

Nah ya got me all wrong there uplift, I love ya work!

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grog-an commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 10:46pm

wow... its been coming a while, but I think the big dumb bastard has finally lost it this time.

WORDY SAID IT, SO BAD LUCK!!

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grog-an commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 10:54pm

jealous old biff

WORDY SAID IT, SO BAD LUCK!!

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grog-an commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 11:16pm

.

WORDY SAID IT, SO BAD LUCK!!

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grog-an commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 11:16pm

..

WORDY SAID IT, SO BAD LUCK!!

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grog-an commented Friday, 31 Oct 2014 at 11:17pm

...

WORDY SAID IT, SO BAD LUCK!!

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brutus commented Saturday, 1 Nov 2014 at 9:35am

hey uppitysiargo...my comments about KS,and his stance..." I put all my weight on my front foot and the ball of my back foot rests on the tail pad," ....I make a couple of bds every year for KS....we surf/tow.....and talk design.......

I am waiting for Stu t get a response from KS on the ordering GW bd story....

uppysiargo.......John Johns legs are.......??? Duh again!!!

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uplift commented Saturday, 1 Nov 2014 at 4:19pm

Yeh, he's no Kobi Bryant or Hayne for that matter bruteless, and he'll never go over, or remotely near 70 mph and deal with those genuine full power carves. Not unless he gets a shitload fitter and stronger.

Siargao? But you need a backhand where I go... 'wordy' has it its not your... shall we say ... strong point? Coming out of some deep, deep water too. Ala blacks but thicker, quicker, holds some serious size. I already saw slater's lack of back foot from day one. I don't really like that style of no power surfing. And lots ride off the front these days. Its why a lot hate/struggle with the McCoy zap style boards too.

'I make a couple of bds every year for KS....we surf/tow.....and talk design.......'

Whats ya's squattin' and deadliftin'? Reps, sets rest periods? Exaggerate a bit if you like... most do, but, carefull, it soon comes out in the wash. Washthroughs/aways are pretty common in the gym. Hilarious shit watching a 'supercore' legend buckle like a drinking straw under some real load. Had a tow legend from here, great surfer too, flapping like a harmonica reed under a bit of genuine load. Embarrassing really... not that I gave/give him any grief... well, just a bit... well, maybe a fair bit. Well, actually shitloads... and shitloads. The down hillers/super slalom maniacs rank squats and deadlfts as the most important exercises. They can handle some speed and carving forces ay! Over 70mph, plus the gforce, and insane reaction speeds and flexibility. Even the girls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS1Z45JVnJw

The men take it to a whole level up again. Fuck'n gym eh!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoIdYjw3u7M

Hey, it finally occurred to me where pro surfing sits, how to describe it best. You know the old, art/dance/sport/spiritual/activity/pass time argument. Its busking in the ocean. Buskin'. Elite water buskers.

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brutus commented Sunday, 2 Nov 2014 at 7:22am

yeah but all that liftin and the shriveled gonads....uppity.....it counts when you get in the water......seems you relate doing ya girl squats to riding waves......

you would not understand how strong John John is..as its tech talk.....how fast he goes and turns.......because you have neverdone it..seems your max is head high blacks before it closes out....hehe

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uplift commented Sunday, 2 Nov 2014 at 11:07am

'shriveled gonads....uppity.....it counts when you get in the water...... and mine just dissappeared... thats why I shit bricks and got washed away at blacks... never to return... with all the other West Coast vic boys who came year after year... hehe'

Fair enough! And great that after all these years of anguish, of suffering, of ridicule, you can finally have a giggle about it!...!!!

'What ya's squattin' and deadliftin'? Reps, sets rest periods? Exaggerate a bit if you like... '

More of that common, the tongue's flexin' up and down, yet deafing silence. Its alright, it can be easily tested, and i've dealt with your lot many times. So I have an answer ready... just this stock standard surfee one will do it;

'Athletes are interested in that sort of thing. But, I already knew the answer, we'll take the ever flapping tongue, yet the silence as sweet fuck all, nada, zilch. Too fuck'n hard. And yet easily the worlds best, the worlds hardest carvers, all happening at the highest of speeds and forces, and who want even harder and faster and better technique/skill:'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS1Z45JVnJw

As interested as I am in that, its this back hand... or lack of... conundrum that 'wordy' has brought to light... under pressure mind you.... he's like that... the 'diplomat' we call him, always choppin' and changin'. Mmmm. Maybe less work on the meticulously manicured head and those fuckin' hats... it won't work... and more real work in the gym? Maybe assymetricals? More than likely though, you've already touched on it... well perhaps poor choice of words there, seems you're permanently 'touching' on it, if only you could glass some nuts, some gonads on the fucking reverse v's, or reverese the reverse... what about 8 fins... jeez, fuck it... just chuck as many as ya can fit on the fucking things... then ya wouldn't of fled black's in that famous around here 'incident'.

Which leads us to carvin', and speed. Sure there you've got me. As I said, the cockies out Colton way reckon theyve never seen anyone get from blacks, to that massive, huge, vicious right hander quicker than you. Ridiculous, and somewhat dangerous speeds... by all reports you had that hotted up little 440 cortina screaming through the s bends, they could see the dinner plate whites of your eyes from the paddocks. And hear the terrified screams of your hapless passengers... fuck'n blacks eh! Fuck'n gym too!...!!!

Oh yeh, hows that 70MPH board going?

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brutus commented Sunday, 2 Nov 2014 at 11:32am

ah uppity,so sad that you seem to think blacks is.....something other than a nice short barrel that closes out when the swell hits...each to his own....yeah and that 120KPH bd is coming along quite nicely....

and ya tech talk makes so much sense you should probably write a book and start a lecture circuit on s/bd design and technology....but you just wouldn't be able help ya self but talk about roid mega muscles........I am scared of the gym!!

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inzider commented Sunday, 2 Nov 2014 at 1:58pm

Dearest Uplift,

All this talk of "how much can you squat" bullshit is just hillarious.
I really think you should get a grip on the fact that not everybody thinks like you and has a desire to waste their lives in lycra squatting in front of mirrors.
This downhill skiing you speak of, I guarantee I could whip your prolapsed arse down any mountain any day, even with my underdeveloped chickensticks.
You seriously think only skinny surfers can do airs, you are off your head for sure.
I would suggest dementia is setting in early for you, you over judgemental closeminded, washed up never has been, legend in my your own lunchtime git.

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velocityjohnno commented Sunday, 2 Nov 2014 at 9:12pm

Herro is absolutely carving on those boards, but it was a dark, dark time to be a recreational surfer. Seen some amazing Herring carves on McCoys recently.

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uplift commented Sunday, 2 Nov 2014 at 11:27pm

Beautiful, textbook group squwark inzlessless and bruteuseless!!! If only you could squat and train with your ever flexing and flapping and squwarking tongues. Again though, the silence is deafening. Of course I understand that non athletic weaklings, and gimps like you two, have no interest in weights, training, and athleticism. Although brutuseless previously squwarked down magnificentlyand back pedalled even quicker than he fled blacks, suddenly claiming to be the 'expert trainer', that trained RCJ into the 'worlds greatest athlete'. Hilarious, yet desperately tragic. As tragic and desperate as inzlessless's bleating and incredibly stupid, and keeping in form, imbecilic squwark. The squwark where he spat out with a vehemance, with a snivelling vengance, that he was not so a skinny runt, like the ASP pro's, or as Herring astutely observed and highlighted, the contempory aerial specialists (the 'elite' buskers), and proudly screeched out at the world that he weighed '90kg'. Despite the fact that a 90kg weakling is even more embarrasing than a 45 kg weakling. Good on him owning his weakling state and being though.

Naturally you would love to be the guy that took lifty inzlessless. Who could blame you for wanting such deluxe credibility, dreaming so big, and not being seen as just a useless sqwarker, wanker and loser. The site, work and web, geek. Slapped by all and sundry at will. Just come on into the gym whenever you like.

Blacks. Sends a shudder up your little baby spine eh brutuseless. You protested so desperately before at your fleeing... remember how shattered and exhausted you made yourself, before announcing to the cosmos, in that incredibly dramatic moment, that heartfelt, dramatic, tragic 'adieu',... that 'I'm... I'm... I'm never returning' screech, that squwarking that you could 'take no more'. Yawn, just more flowing, manicured bullshit.

Look, when the other west coast viccos came, year after year, with a completely different story to yours, I was the one that stuck up for you! When we asked excitedly... is brutuseless with yas this year, I was the one who tried to stop the savage ridiculing and guffawing... to the very best of my ability... after I had stopped rolling around on the ground pissing myself and dry reeching in hysterics with the rest of them. So, don't blame me!

And again, don't blame me, you guy's hero, bloody Herro started it!!! Shattering stuff!!!

Good luck with the 70MPH surfee board. And one can only imagine, well in fact the world is waiting in excitement, to see the even more incredible, athletic, super human condition and fitness you've whipped RCJ into by now!!!

But, in the meantime inzlessless and bruteuselessless, what are yas squattin' and deadliftin'. Reps, sets, rest periods?

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uplift commented Sunday, 2 Nov 2014 at 11:24pm

SWEET FUCK ALL... WAY, WAY, WAY TOO FUCKING HARD!!!

The err, uhmmm, the err, well, the err... backhand?

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grog-an commented Monday, 3 Nov 2014 at 6:20am

Inzider 2 - uppsydaisysiargao 0.

WORDY SAID IT, SO BAD LUCK!!

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inzider commented Monday, 3 Nov 2014 at 10:53am

Actually, captain prolapsed hoop i mean uplift

I was takingthe piss when i said i was 90 kgs of raw power
i am actually 92 .
never ceases to amaze me how you can stereotype my body type through reading a computer, you are truly amazing.
Still could school your arse down any mountain even though i haven't skied in 20 years.
I surf switch foot better than your crab infected arse style.
If the gyms your thing good for you,me id rather get my strength from real life, you know that outside thing with no lycra or mirrors.

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uplift commented Monday, 3 Nov 2014 at 12:14pm

'id rather get my strength from real life'

Easily measurable, at your heavier weight and incredible, 'real' 'strength', you should have no problem squatting and deadlifting at least your heavier body weight for some serious sets and reps/minimum rest.

Bit I know you can't. Heard it a zillion times. Never confuse skill with strength and fitness. Come in whenever you like. It, your incredible 'real' 'strength' is easy to test. My call, and your, again, squwark of silence equals:

'I Squat AND DEADLIFT SWEET FUCK ALL... WAY, WAY, WAY TOO FUCKING HARD!!!'

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southey commented Monday, 3 Nov 2014 at 12:26pm

Are you confirming to everyone that skill has never been your " strong " point Uppy ?!?
" too much weights , not enough speed ball " .......

" SA's Reserve Capacity "

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uplift commented Monday, 3 Nov 2014 at 2:34pm

Nah, just how puny surfers are where power is generated. And how comical it is... the banter about 'power'. As the top, elite coach they hired, pointed out, they fail miserably. Totally stupid, imbecilic to think that the worlds best ski racers who deal with speeds and forces beyond anything a pro surfer presently does, uses squats/deadlifts because they don't want real strength. As for skill, I never needed to run from blacks like you and bullshit about weighing up the risks. Doesn't take much skill to sit in a high chair either, broke back chicken soufle'.

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mickj commented Monday, 3 Nov 2014 at 6:03pm

This is classic.

Aside from the fact that I am interested in knowing more about the 'rocker revival' - mainly cos I think the real flat / wide trend doesn't go quite so well over here in the West - I can't resist posting on this training thread cos I am interested in that too.

I'm 34, lifelong surfer, mostly regular trainer (bodyweight circuit / swim / run type stuff) who has recently stepped up strength training cos I feel like this year my old injuries (lower back, right knee) flared up a lot during our winter of plenty. My attitude was to try train the aches and pains away while I could still go hard enough, and just to try something new as a change up.

Been training at a gym here in Perth last 3 months (not a Crossfit gym) that's very results focused and quite structured - no mirrors, detailed workout plans etc. Not a lot of talking during sessions either, everyone's pretty focused and I'm normally too rooted to be honest. Aside from some really high intensity circuit stuff that I think most people would have done, main difference to my prior stuff is in using kettlebells, olympic lifting (which I completely suck at so far) and yes, lot of squatting and deadlifts.

The strongest guys there are about 80kg and deadlifting 3x their body weight, I'm nowhere near that yet. At 85kgs weight I'm squatting about 135% of my body weight, haven't maxed out a deadlift yet but would certainly be north of my body weight.

Big question is does it help surfing fitness, and therefore worth doing? Short answer is I don't know yet, I want to get to 6 months of training and reassess ... I do know that if I just go for a run on the beach pre surfing I can go straight out in the water and feel fine and able to surf. If I've really pushed this new program I'm pretty well stuffed for the rest of that day, and sometimes sore for a couple days afterwards - can still surf but definitely with sore muscles. Working up to a best effort 1 rep maximum of anything sounds easy but actually hard in reality at first.

As for injury rehabilitation, which is a separate question to the surf fitness one in my view, yes it's definitely helped my knee. Even three months of strength based work has improved that significantly - albeit under stress my right knee (2x separate medial injuries) is still weaker, which really only gets in the way if I'm trying a maximum effort rep. My sore lower (surfers) back I think will always be there (although that's probably more to do with the office job than anything) and I still need to nurse it a bit, but it certainly hasn't gotten worse over the last few months. Trust it will also improve over time.

Don't want to encourage anymore hazing of anyone's exercise preferences, everyone has different objectives and therefore training programs. My goal was 6 months effort (thinking that's long enough to gauge impact) and reassess so will just see how I go.

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burgsurfer commented Monday, 3 Nov 2014 at 6:35pm

Hi Mick,
I reckon that rocker is the go on hollow WA waves and also in barrels, especially if deep as you can use it to get over foam balls. Also rocker boards stall faster so you can get in easily . Less rocker is good for holding lines in fast barrel but overall rocker is king in hollow waves.

When Mick Fanning put his back put he did Shek training and he said it saved his career.

I broke my hip in a trolley ride in 1995 (don't ask!) and that took about 3 years to heal. I popped my knee cap out doing a floater in 2000. I broke my neck in a barrel on 2010. The neck and hip did fine with exercise and are 100% now but my knee is still dodge. Dr said recon may help but no guarantees....

The best I surfed was doing circuit and yoga...

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mickj commented Monday, 3 Nov 2014 at 6:39pm

Bloody hell mate, that's a fair pipeline of injuries! I've studiously avoided all surgeries to date as well, I could have had one or two but my preference has been to train & exercise back to health now and save the surgeries for when I really, really need them.

Yeah even our bad waves (and I live in Perth so I know exactly what that means haha) here in West Oz are still relatively punchy (Triggs can be a crap closeout but it's never really 'fat') so I agree we can carry more curve in our boards vs. East Coast ... having said that boards have definitely gone shorter / wider / flatter here as well last few years in general, although again that's relatively constrained to Perth.

I still can't really get my head around the right volume though ... most recent thinking I've come across for WA / Indo this year is rocker is fine, thickness is OK but avoid going too wide. Saw Dylan Longbottom putting on an absolute clinic out at big Deserts this year (it was 8ft+) and he was on a 6'3 x 18 7/8 x 2 7/8 quad from memory. Thickness provides the volume to get into freighty waves but the lack of width means they're still pretty knifey to turn. I've been riding 19 1/4 - 19 1/2 across my quiver last couple of years but am about to go back to 18 3/4-19 max.

Cheers

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velocityjohnno commented Tuesday, 4 Nov 2014 at 11:11am

Mickj: Re back pain/lower back

I had 2 yoga instructors when at uni in WA, both came to yoga after doing their lower backs - one a former fisho and the other a carpenter. Would suggest this as part of conditioning to repair the pain in your lower back, as they were able to rectify their issues and lived supple and pain free. It is fixable. Posture from sitting at desk can be a killer when combined with vigorous activity such as paddling - muscular imbalances develop, for eg I overdevloped my shoulders and underdeveloped the muscles between my shoulder blades, leading to shoulder/arm pain. (Sorry for non technical description). Solution was to target the unused, weaker muscles with regular specific exercises and be disciplined with it.

And for uplift - you are correct in asserting training and increasing muscle size will lead to the ability to place more power into moves, hold more extreme speeds. Simply using squats/abs/small circuit/swim/yoga - and lowering the centre of gravity has helped my cutbacks no end, but I'm no athlete.

Also agree that WA dictates more rocker in design, although the quandry of surfing Perth's punchy beachies is how to get 100% planing speed quickly and whip turns using the fins, to harvest a ride before it closes out. A wide, flat fishy board (or 1980's thruster) will do earlier entry and planing well - but would you use the same thing Down South?

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mickj commented Tuesday, 4 Nov 2014 at 12:51pm

Agree Yoga works great mate ... I've dabbled in Astanga about 3 times but never for long enough to get good, and then I have to start all over again.

And yes, desk jobs 100% suck for your posture.

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grog-an commented Monday, 3 Nov 2014 at 8:22pm

mickj, that's all well and good about the dead lifting, but how many boiled eggs can you gob down in 1 minute?? forget about surfing, that's the true test of a surfer.

WORDY SAID IT, SO BAD LUCK!!

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mickj commented Monday, 3 Nov 2014 at 8:27pm

Haha ... dunno mate, I'm just trying to fix my busted knee somehow! Leave someone else to try scoffing down boiled eggs for 6 months and let them report back ...

As an aside, some of the hardest chargers I know do literally zero training, ever. Shows how much pushing over the ledge, when it really starts boiling, is a mental game.

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grog-an commented Monday, 3 Nov 2014 at 8:29pm

come on now, how many? it's easy to measure, boil some eggs, shell them, set a stop watch and start gobbing them down, stop when you get to a minute. I'll even let you count whatever you still have left in your mouth. But I guarantee you will not even come close to the one around here with the biggest mouth and the lowest IQ.
yeah that's what I thought.... Silence.
You are all chicken shits around here, you think you are all surfees and you wont even take the egg gobbing challenge to prove how good you are at surfing.

WORDY SAID IT, SO BAD LUCK!!

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grog-an commented Monday, 3 Nov 2014 at 8:31pm

no mick, when it really starts boiling, it is time to man up and take the egg gobbing challenge.

WORDY SAID IT, SO BAD LUCK!!

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grog-an commented Monday, 3 Nov 2014 at 8:42pm

oh and mickj, a flaw I see in your training regime, that uppsydaisysiargao wont be happy about; is the gym without mirrors. no point going there and doing squats if you cant watch yourself in your lycra. im sure there will be other flaws that he wont mind pointing out to you, but that will be the main one.

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uplift commented Monday, 3 Nov 2014 at 11:26pm

Mirrors are an invaluable fitness training and teaching tool. For instance, I trained the owners of a gym chain that is anti mirrors, and soon had them begging to do sessions with mirrors, when they saw the advantages re learning and checking form etc. I also used/use them when lecturing and assessing for TAFE, including teaching their lecturers weightlifting techniques, ie clean and jerk, squat, deadlift etc, and mentoring assessing for AIPT, and other PT training organisations.

In my opinion/experience, you shouldn't accept that your lower back or knee pain should always be there, and injured knees and backs etc require and benefit most from specific programs and exercises. This can be really frustrating for the average person. For example, take someone like Gary Ablett Jr. A year plus of full time extensive rehab to fix shoulder, still on going. And thats with 7 days a week extensive rehab, utilising time and resources beyond the reach of most. Yet the average person wants the same or better result in weeks, with a couple of hours a week, which even soon becomes sporadic and hap hazard.

240kgs is a heavy lift. I regularly train guys that tell me that they can handle those loads, but usually end up seeing them fry at much less. Form and style are a huge factor.

mickj, do you employ negs as a part of your deadlift rep? Ie lower the weight strictly for 4 - 6 secs? What breathing method do you use? Close stance or sumo, low or high hips? I ask out of genuine interest. For me the goal re sports fitness is not so much to be a weight or power lifter, which are sports in themselves, where technique/skill/momentum are huge aids, but to minimise that, in order to force maximum structural adaptation/fitness. Which is a catch 22, as although it is harder, it can also be much safer. As an example, I can grab a dud basketball shooter, and increase their range/power very quickly, by teaching them a few simple techniques recruiting better momentum and balance, and utilising bodyweight. Many mistake that type of thing as an increase in structural strength and fitness, but it can often lead to the exact opposite. The more skilled you become, the less the work reqired to perform the same task. Ie a top tennis player uses skill and positioning, plus momentum, and runs and expends energy much less than a beginner.

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mickj commented Tuesday, 4 Nov 2014 at 12:00pm

To clarify, I've only seen one of the trainers that does enter into lifting comps do a 240kg deadlift at 80kg bodyweight. Yup strong little nugget of a bloke, and focused entirely on lifting heavy stuff (not training for another sport etc). Have heard of others doing 3x body weight but haven't seen it live.

Not even sure I know enough to answer this correctly but:

- No, havent done any 'negs' so far. Have either been doing lower weights (ie 50 kg deadlift) and smashing out quick reps or at other end of scale, working up to 1RM and generally just drop the bloody thing (got those bounce plate things) once the lift is complete

- Do you mean sumo as in a 'deadlift sumo high pull'? Only done that with light weights or kettlebells. On heavier weights only lifting to hip height with arms locked out etc.

- Breathing wise its just one short sharp inhale to engage the core through the lift phase, nothing more than that. Tips?

- We're also advised to use an alternating grip as I've found my grip (if you always grip the bar the same way) gives out before anything else if you're doing high reps.

As before (and as you can tell from my answers), I'm both new to this and unsure of its long term benefits as yet (to me or anyone else) ... just open to giving it a go.

Cheers

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brutus commented Wednesday, 5 Nov 2014 at 8:44am

oh uppity stop it....mirrors says it all.......beefcakes unite before the mirror......."whos a pretty boy?"......

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wingnut2443 commented Tuesday, 4 Nov 2014 at 8:11am

Anyway, back to this rocker and concave design thing ...

Idea for those interested in learning more ... grab a few mates, their quiver of boards, and yours, and a straight edge. Long ruler, even a spirit level ... long enough to go across the widest point of all boards.

Now, looking from nose to tail, start with the straight edge close to you and push it away from you (i.e. toward the tail) ... fins out too ... now look at three things (different one each time):

- notice how the concave comes in, deepens and then flattens again out the back.
- notice how the 'shape' of the concave changes (look at the first inch from rail in)
- notice how where the deepest part of the concave (at stringer) exists

Do this over all the boards. Mark with pencil where you all thing the deepest part of te concave is on each board ... make notes about the "shape" of the concave and how steep or flat it is along the rail.

Collectively, discuss how each board 'feels' to ride ...

Notice anything?

Good Luck. :)

PS: If you can get to do same with a pro's boards, do the same ;)

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*FFW - Few Fun Waves ... that's what it's all about for me.

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uplift commented Tuesday, 4 Nov 2014 at 6:01pm

Gidday mickj, as Herring, who's ability to to understand what constitutes good surfing was highlighted, astutely highlighted, and made a point of saying, re using his boards, and re carving, leg strength, which is limited by and a part of core strength, is paramount, key to the style of surfing adopted. He even went as far as calling the modern direction aerial surfers, 'skinny'.

Regarding your questions in relation to that, and re deadlifting, one of the best exercises to strengthen and train the whole core, in fact the whole body, breathing, how you breath when training, is paramount. Both for results and safety. It is key to creating tension, which is a key signal the body needs to see in order to choose strengthening structures re adaptation. Its actually a massive, and hugely misunderstood topic, too big for explaining fully here. But in its simplest form, think sprinter/marathon runner... both expert runners, but entirely different adaptations/results. And, even more simplified, results are governed by hormone profiles/production, as is every body reaction/function.

Negatives as part of the rep, create more tension, more time under tension, more of the right stress, in a safe way, which signals the right adaptation required if its strengthening structures that you are after. A stronger equally skilled leg, will be capable of producing more force, more carve, more speed, as highlighted in the videos by elite alpine ski racers, the top of the tree re speed/force production. And it will last longer under huge loads/carves. So I suggest learning about incorporating negatives into your reps.

Breathing. Blood pressure. Nature's hydraulic system. It is no accident that under extreme stress we instinctively hold our breath to exert maximum force. Simple hydraulics are invoked. Blood pressure is your friend when liftying heavy, keeping core strong and safe. Its one of the biggest bungles inexperienced lifters make when trying to build up in weights lifted. They breath wrong, lose the powerhouse effects of blood pressure, hydraulic support. Think of a simple hydraulic arm lifter, ie under your car bonnet, with a leak. Or a leaky brake hose. Loss of rigidity support, throughout your structure. Plus the packing effect. Think why weight lifting belts are popular (to be avoided in my opinion, better to just be/get strong), and the effect lifting suits have in powerlifting. Blood pressure packs everything tight inside the different sheaths. Again its a long subject, but simply put, maximum support for tissue, and joints. Spine. Knees.

Learn to breathe when deadlifting heavy. A few styles. I like, big breath in, hold breath, consciously tighten up everything, feel blood pressure raise, lift. Let pressure off near top, when leverage is more favourable, still keeping consciously tight though, catch some breaths at the top if you are tired, then, big breath in, tighten more, hold breath, feel blood pressure rise, lower to the floor, 4 - 6 secs, let pressure off once weight is fully down. Repeat for desired number of reps. Make each rep identical, as if it was the only rep you will do. Learn about form. Lift with your erectors too, they are strongest and put the spine in a good position when contracting strongly... don't just try and 'brace'. Start the drive with glutes, but simultaneously drive back (erectors) and quads. Pull abs, whole region into spine, as if trying to stop having a piss/shit. Same lowering. Learn as much as you can about form. Hard work. Great signals to body... adapt. Naturally if you have blood pressure issues, you need to start differently, different exercises and breathing, until you get fitter/healthier, but your eventual aim is the same. Breathing for squatting is very similar, but is a bit different.

Yeh, alternate grip is good. And alternate it each set, swap palms around for balance.

Sumo is wide stance, more upright, arms between thighs when lifting. Less range of motion, less back work, so less full range structural adaptation, but easier to move big weights. High hips is really similar, less quad, glute, more back.

Again, its a huge subject. Deadlifts and squats are deluxe. Like sharp knives. As long as you really know what you are doing, or they can really stuff you up.

Hope it helps a bit.

Re the boards, its the keynote of a good shaper to find out if you are back/front foot orientated. Its ludicrous to copy a back foot surfer's board if you are front foot orientated and think it will go great for you, and visa versa. Same re athleticism and strength. Waste of time giving a pretzel legged surfer Dane Kealoha's or JBG's board. And visa versa. Same with body proportions, which hugely affects force production, plus centre of gravity etc. Long the live the genuine custom guru.

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velocityjohnno commented Thursday, 6 Nov 2014 at 1:09am

Re the boards, yep, it really is quite stunning to consider that more than 90% of standard modern shortboards feature peak volume about midway, at the mid of the rocker too - totally set up for front foot surfers. If you unluckily happen to be back foot, you're shafted. This goes from hi-po thrusters through fishy things, quads etc. Even more volumey shortboards with double ends still feature that thickest point at half way right under the front foot - but their saving grace is that with a wider outline they at least have some volume under the back, and thus don't sink as badly when weight is placed there. The amount of times I've seen learners/intermediate on the latest thing, watch them struggle to take off, then plant the back foot and just sink, poor guys, they are handicapping themselves.

Going to a surf instructor was an eye opener too - some fantastic development there, but absolutely everything designed for front foot surfing all the time. When queried, the instructor thought any surfing off the back foot was wrong.

So what has been the response over the years? Back foot surfers still do very well on longboards, Geoff's got the Lazor Zap and Astron Zot going, especially set up for back foot surfing. I taught myself to shape during the dark years of early Slater, just to get the foam where it felt best for me. It was nearly impossible to communicate this need to any shapers at the time. If you look at Anderson's first Thrusters, all that foam in the outline way back, square tail between 6" and 8" wide, flyer adding more volume, vee - those boards were doing something right for back foot surfers.

A good mate is the opposite to me, other stance, really front heavy. So shaping for each of us requires completely different rockers, foils, outlines, rails - even for the same dimensions and amount of nose/tail lift.

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uplift commented Wednesday, 5 Nov 2014 at 1:25pm

oh uppity stop it....mirrors says it all.......beefcakes unite before the mirror......."whos a pretty boy?"......'

Oh yeh, bruteuseless, I'll bet you wish that I, big lifty, was there to stop it, when those big meanies, the beefcakes literally bitchslap you down, and won't let wittle bwutthy into his normal position, glued to the mirror, endlessly trimming, pruning, plucking and meticulously shaping and cwipping his pwetty wittle go'ttee'. Before ppweening and fawning over himself whilst dwething up in those fucking ludicrous, idiotic, ridiculous, gimpy hats. Now 'wordy' (under crushing pressure mind you) reckons that you've resorted to carrying 'my wittle compacth hand miwwowr pwucking and twimming sthet. Thso vere you big muthle bouwnd meanyth'. This is the sad, the ludicrous, the embarrassing state, 'this is the shit' that contemporary surfing has crumbled and plummeted, nose dived to. Fucking manicured, over dressed and dolled up pipsqueaks.

LIFTY MANICURED, PLUCKED, GROOMED AND METICULOUSLY TRIMMED GO'TTEE' AND IDIOTIC HAT, PIPSQUEAK SKINNY AND PUNY SURFEE DISLCLAIMER:

This statement is to inform people that the brutuselessless endlessly manicured, trimmed and meticulously plucked go'ttee' and idiotic, gimpy hats are in no way my choice. I do not recommend them to be used by any one, including pip squeak, skinny and puny surfees ever.

Never have I had any involvement with any ludicrous idiots who carry on and prepare themselves like that, and I certainly have not and do not recommend anyone else do so.

My original, heavily muscled, raw boned, athletic, extremely good looks are a refined state, nothing like the manicured, dolled up, or skinny, pipsqueak, surfee look.

My heavily muscled, raw boned, athletic, extremely good looks have been specifically designed to be functional, and should be used with extreme care, as they can cause women to become hysterical and drooling, and uncontrollably hurl themselves at you.

Thankyou.

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grog-an commented Wednesday, 5 Nov 2014 at 5:26pm

Maybe you should try spending a bit more time actually surfing uppsydaisysiargao, rather than theorising about what you think makes a great surfer...
Wait.... Hang on... you've been ranting and squawking about surfers needing to do squats and deadlifts in front of mirrors (while wearing lycra) to be any good and to surf big waves.
And you are the best at training and squatting in front of mirrors, you even have all of these references saying how good you are to prove it to random people on the internet, so you should be up there with the greatest surfers in both small, but especially big waves.
Yet you've done NOTHING in surfing.... ZERO.... ZILCH.....
Anyway, please continue.. very entertaining... everyone around here loves your posts.. has been very topical in the water of late.. with everyone agreeing with how good you are of course ;)

WORDY SAID IT, SO BAD LUCK!!

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inzider commented Wednesday, 5 Nov 2014 at 5:48pm

Hey Uplift I was out hiking in the woods the other day and I needed to give birth to your twin brother, so I got my mirror out( as you have advised) I then proceeded to "squat" in the best form possible, the weight of your twin breaching nearly pulled me over on top of it but luckily I had my mirror to keep me good. Thanks dude if I had not taken your advice I could have sat on your twin and snuffed out his short life before he had the chance to become a legend of the lycra like his brother. Phew

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uplift commented Wednesday, 5 Nov 2014 at 9:29pm

Thats delusional groges, but hilarious. Have another snort groges! As if anyone believes a useless little chickenshit like you knows anyone, other than people that constantly bitch slap you, let alone your new mate 'everyone'. References, yeh I can back what I say. Come and see me, back your squwark. Or more hilarious, tell me who you are? Bring your new mate 'everyone' if you like. Classic, chicken shit squwarker, always clutching, searching, praying for backup. Hiding between ya new maayyyyte 'everyone's' legs. Useless, chickenshit squwarker.

It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that you 'hike' around alone, tugging off in the woods inzless, squwarking hidden away, snivelling and praying that you'll find some balls in your mirror. Useless, chickenshit squwarker.

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caml commented Thursday, 6 Nov 2014 at 2:17am

Hilarious ! Thanks for the entertainment , on this boring night .

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grog-an commented Thursday, 6 Nov 2014 at 6:31am

so, still... NOTHING....... ZERO.............. ZILCH.
The most hilarious thing is you using WORDY for backup!!
haha, he has sure stitched you up a few times now. The funny thing is, he cant stand you and bags you out all of the time. But still you keep trying to get info from him......
hilarious stuff.... keep it up! as I said me and my mate 'everyone' just love it!!

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brutus commented Thursday, 6 Nov 2014 at 7:48am

OK Uppittynot...I left out the Lycras......with beefcakes united in front of the mirror doing squats in their pink lycras ( word has it as your favourite color)_.......and as you have confessed....LIFTY MANICURED, PLUCKED, GROOMED AND METICULOUSLY TRIMMED .........but the shriveled gonads are the give away......and as we all know in surfing its not the size of ya beefcakes but the size of ya gonads.....

take a deep breath uppy.......exhale......and pretend that you are as strong as JBG or Dane......mirror mirror on the wall who's the hunkiest of them all.......Mick the shriveled!!!

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uplift commented Thursday, 6 Nov 2014 at 10:38am

The magniificently, meticulously manicured, trimmed and plucked go'tee, and the well worn, somewhat overworked lips... also known as, brutuselessless, the bearded clam, keeps flapping.

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uplift commented Thursday, 6 Nov 2014 at 11:11am

'The magniificently, meticulously manicured, trimmed and plucked go'tee, and the well worn, somewhat overworked lips... also known as, brutuselessless, the bearded clam, keeps flapping.'

Of course it begs the question what purpose it could possibly serve, or the reasoning behind brutuselessless's perfectly and meticulously modelling his head on a magnificently, meticulously manicured, trimmed, shaped and plucked, albiet somewhat worn, bearded clam... I shudder to think, but hey, its a free world, and it takes all kinds. I have heard him often referred to as 'the gobbler'... again, free world, but I've always thought 'cunt face' fitting as it is, was a bit harsh.

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brutus commented Thursday, 6 Nov 2014 at 2:19pm

oh uppy...cunt face.....I see you now in a pink lycra in front of your mirror beefcaking out thinking of a time when there was no, gonadis shrivelitis.....but now you have images of me in your head and dream my face is a ...cunt?....do you really have fantasy's about me??....hehe.......no wonder your ex....???? Oops lets not go there now you a fetish for feral fossil faces that resembles...????

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uplift commented Thursday, 6 Nov 2014 at 4:44pm

Old gobbler... with the magnificently, meticulously manicured, trimmed and plucked go'tee'... the old bearded clam flapping away... more squwark ups from the turkey shed!!!...!!!

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brutus commented Friday, 7 Nov 2014 at 7:49am

nice facebook page seeing we are discussing fetish's..........good to see you contributing to the OZ - Asian relationships ........pity you never contributed anything to surfing......other than how to catch shrivelis gonadis nonerectus.......

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uplift commented Friday, 7 Nov 2014 at 7:01pm

Go gobbler!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-pfqOg_W14

Well, if you claim you haven't modelled your magnificently, meticulously manicured, trimmed, shaped and plucked go'tee' on a bearded clam, cunt face, then what in the fuck ludicrous shit is going through your fucking scone as you magnificently, meticulously manicure, trim, shape and pluck, prune and preen the fucking thing like that? And then chuck those imbecilic fucking hats on it? What in fuck's sake are you thinking... before presenting as a flabby little geek wandering around all packaged and prepped like that?

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southey commented Saturday, 8 Nov 2014 at 1:16am

I think you two need to get a room .....
( and yes Uppy , you can line it with mirrors if ya have to ) .
Then the two of you can have a good hard look at yourselves ..

Now I love a bit of school boy humour , but it's getting old real quick ..
They used to settle shit like this on Phillip Island with a good old fashioned paddle out ...
I know it would be a struggle to get U2 together , so I think we can just have two venues .
Brut , you can paddle across the RIP with a slimey attached by string to ya gonads .
Uppy , you have to circumnavigate East island , again a slimy attached . Apparently we may need a seamstress though to find the anchor point .
A man of your stature should be able to overcome your fears and return to your old stompin ground , it's only been a little over 10 years . ?!?

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grog-an commented Saturday, 8 Nov 2014 at 7:30am

haha.

WORDY SAID IT, SO BAD LUCK!!

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brutus commented Saturday, 8 Nov 2014 at 8:57am

ah ya gotta love the banter....Uppy seems really like he wants to be part of the fashion police as he needs to pump himself up (pity)...hehe.........so funny how he feels I am too manicured.....when I shave once a week.......and yes I have a bit of a feral fossil look ...

anytime anywhere I would love to challenge ol mickey mouse to surf off..paddle first then tow........then we would see penishrivelitus nogonadus,non eructus in action or not........hehehe....

but reality is here on the boards......and I expect to see some Lycra action on his Asian facebook page......or is it all smoke and mirrors....???

what was the subject again.....??

oh yeah spoke to Kelly yesterday about bds....and ....ah you would be too bored by anything technical.....

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wingnut2443 commented Saturday, 8 Nov 2014 at 7:30pm

Hang the fuck on a sec, here folks ...

We get this little teaser:

brutus wrote: ... oh yeah spoke to Kelly yesterday about bds....and ....ah you would be too bored by anything technical.....

And, youse all go giving uppy the ranting lunatic more air ... WTF?

Fuck THAT.

Brutus, please share ... PLEASE.

Let's get this back on topic ...

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grog-an commented Saturday, 8 Nov 2014 at 11:40am

how dare you try and get this thread back on topic brutus!

WORDY SAID IT, SO BAD LUCK!!

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brutus commented Saturday, 8 Nov 2014 at 1:32pm

I know ,its the feralfossilitis !!

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uplift commented Saturday, 8 Nov 2014 at 7:17pm

The showcase of the original article the original topic is/was Shane Herring's video, and his amasing, to this day unmatched carving, and how slattsy is interested in it, and the boards. In the original article, in the original unedited video, he, Shane Herring points out, he highlights, and his observation and opinion, his, Shane Herring's, words are, that BIG LEGS ARE FOR TURNING, CARVING, and the other direction that surfing has headed, again his, in Shane Herring's, Shane Herring's (for those that have trouble understanding things) observation and his words are that that direction is 'skinny guys doing airs'. In the ensuing comments Shane Herring's rare understanding of surfing, his rare wisdom is highlighted. I agree with him... rarely enough. And I've always realised that, rarely enough, and made that clear on here, rarely enough. As I do, on topic, in this 'News' item (now the edited 'news' version, which is missing Herro's horrendeous, shattering, rare statement and opinion).

Obviously Herring's shattering observation and highlight absolutely flies in the face of those with the opposite opinion. What a conundrum... those blasphemous words from their icon... their little world, the box, the safety net, literally disintegrated, splattered, before their very, petrified, confused, pleading eyes. No wonder they're up pacing the corridoors, snorting and guzzling all night, as has also been highlighted before.

'Best man to ask would be southey, he's always logging in the early hours, reckons it after work but reading between the line I see a man with a problem.'

And he's been 'on it' again by the looks.

Chickenshits of a feather.

Like chicken soufle, you already had a chance to surf with me, cuntface, as much as you wanted, but like him, man down, both of you went 'missing in action'. Thats a shame, because I'm sure I would've had some deluxe stories, experiences with you both from back then. And that was at a wave you both (surprise, surprise) talk down, despite tons of other much better surfers, even on here, doing the exact opposite. As I said, the West Coast Vicco guys came over year after year, and I surfed with them heaps. Caught up with one of them over here recently, highly respected shaper, entirely different take on the place than you two. I have heard the legendary West Coast Vicco guys describe the place in outrageous terms, on some pretty spectacular days, we enjoyed, and because I lived there, surfed it for hours on end, day after day, and had that advantage, I could take plenty of waves they were happy to admit they didn't want to know about. You came over for a couple of little stints cuntface, always sounds good in the tales around the front bar, but both times ended up at the vicious, massive, death right up the coast, which is a great fun wave. Not a complete, total fathander like bells, as has also been highlighted on topic on here, but fun all the same.

'It's only just another option. Not sure why this comment was made 20 years ago and again now. There are scores of board combinations that are accepted for the waves that they are designed for. Not Bells beach obviously, but waves that have a deeper trough at the bottom.'

Poof!!! The last strand of the net, the last splinter of the box vanishes into thin air.

So as I on topic agree with Herring's highlighted, rare and astute assertion, I posted links where other elite, world champions from a sport where technical speeds and carving forces and power are unmatched, and far beyond anything presently achieved in surfing, make a point of agreeing with Herro, and outline the lengths they will go to to build that muscle size and strength.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS1Z45JVnJw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoIdYjw3u7M

That enrages, and terrifies a handfull of now safety nutless, boxless, exposed swellnutters. However to try to reassemble a new safetynet, a new safety box, a ludicrous debacle ensues. Cuntface despite ridiculing training, weights, suddenly backpeddles, squwark downs, and becomes a training expert, who actually works with the worlds greatest athlete RCJ, who also openly, recorded on video, ridicules weights and training. Brokeback chicken soufl'e also suddenly becomes a training back rehab specialist, operating from a high chair, with his old man. I presently work in the industry, and have for over 40 years, and am extremely confident in my ability and experience and knowledge, and know beyond doubt that they are bullshitting and would happily put this to the test any time they like. I have been in similar situations a zillion times. The guy in one of the references I put up, was pursued by the Adelaide Crows, as are many from here, is and was a top, award winning player here, was/is a personal trainer, just won coach of the year, and was extremely sure of himself when he was advised to talk to me. He was extremely confronted by much of what I said to him, and dismissive, but took the challenge, and there and then hired me to train him personally, and his staff, and his football team. Come on down you two chickenshits. Anytime you like, and we can make it as up close and 'personal' as you like.

On topic, others, including surfer shapers, also highlighted their experiences with training, and how the majority of surfing has become front foot oriented, which is the opposite to your view, when after you pointed out slatssy's front foot approach, you portrayed it as some amasing rare insight and approach. Its actually the norm. And surely anyone with the slightest technical knowledge and comprehension, can see its pointless designing back foot boards for front foot surfers, visa versa, boards for surfers with high levels of strength, for those with low, visa versa, etc.

I haven't surfed much for 4 -5 years. Fuck all. But that is changing, and in the future when I surf properly again, I will happily take up your challenge cuntface, and I'll have a ball at blacks. I'll even go up the road to your killer right with you. I'm obviously giving you a huge upper hand, as every day the gap between your amasing technical training savvy and expertise, and power and strength, and mine grows exponentially greater and greater. As for towing, I'll never do it, I don't agree with it remotely, and am not interested in it in the slightest, and that ruffled your 'feathers' re that on here ages ago. Back when I pointed out your hypocrisy at lambasting others for exposing and using waves for profit, when you do/did exactly the same thing, and used filming towing to try and become a massive scale, although dismally, spectacularly failed, board production machine. The others are just trying to make a living too, and have had far less reaching effects than you had and have when you spruiked and marketed by every means you could muster, the crowd and pollution producing towing industry.

As for groges... have another snort groges. Chickenshits of a feather. Maayyyyytesss for life. The 3 amigos, the 3 stooges.

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stray-gator_2 commented Saturday, 8 Nov 2014 at 6:34pm

"I haven't surfed much for 45 years. Fuck all. "

Good boy, Mick. The first step to fixing a problem is admitting you have one in the first place. Proud of yer.

I aim to give you something that you can keep for life. A bit like herpes. My techniques are not available in any book or course; what would scientists know? I have played with model trains for 40 plus years.

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brutus commented Sunday, 9 Nov 2014 at 8:19am

Wow,uppity,looks like you also have a dose of dribblitis ....and when you combine Dribblitis with shrivelistis,shrunkengonaditis,.......and itsallaboutmeistis .......no wonder your facebook page makes up for the lack of female Co.....and now all can see that the seem to have a fetsihitis about my face being a vagina....hey if ya need to come out of the closet mick.........no need to hide behind your macho facebook page.....just manup.........or roidup......and be the person hiding within!!!

Just for the record...most surfers on tour are Backfoot,thats why no-one can ride Kelly's bds.......but he wants to change and share the load between both feet.....so as usual if you don't know something you make it up.....like your famous little short left...amusing...

and those west coast boys ya talk about....ah that's where I come from,not Bells.....and everytime I hear ........"Back when I pointed out your hypocrisy at lambasting others for exposing and using waves for profit, when you do/did exactly the same thing, and used filming towing to try and become a massive scale, although dismally, spectacularly failed, board production machine,".........ah times have changed since my youth...as has my behavior...it called evolution.....eg once upon a time drink a bottle of bundy got to pub ,have fight,as its was sport then........get 2nd bottle of bundy and then race down the Ocean Road...pissed as....

but guess what uppityitis...times changed and some of us evolved........as you well know through your gender confusion......how is the tow industry by the way?? hehee....

and your invitation to" come on down and we can make it as personal as you like.......should I wear fishnet stockings and lipstick???

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grog-an commented Saturday, 8 Nov 2014 at 3:46pm

wow.. that's one big ranting squawk up by OLD big glutes. But still, once again, no credibility whatsoever....

WORDY SAID IT, SO BAD LUCK!!

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sir ambrose bea... commented Saturday, 8 Nov 2014 at 4:55pm

up the road to the killer right
but aren't you scared of the penong boys lifty

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uplift commented Saturday, 8 Nov 2014 at 7:19pm

'Chickenshits of a feather. Maayyyyytesss for life. The 3 amigos, the 3 stooges.'

Too easy.

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wingnut2443 commented Saturday, 8 Nov 2014 at 7:35pm

It's been posted in other threads on here before (can't remember by whom), but uplift would appear to be suffering from:

Delusional Disorder ... have read here: http://psychcentral.com/disorders/delusional-disorder-symptoms/

And, Brutus, I think her may have this with you:

"Erotomanic Type: delusions that another person, usually of higher status, is in love with the individual"

Just scroll down a bit on that paged I've linked ...

Does THIS not describe uplift:

Grandiose Type: delusions of inflated worth, power, knowledge ...

?????

Uplift, please go and get help. PLEASE.

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*FFW - Few Fun Waves ... that's what it's all about for me.

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brutus commented Sunday, 9 Nov 2014 at 1:40pm

Erotomanic type.......now I am scared....might have to lock the doors at night...how am I going to explain to the missus of 40+ years...that theres a 65 year old bloke fanaticising about my face being a vagina.....and he's pumping iron to impress me........ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....................

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uplift commented Sunday, 9 Nov 2014 at 12:15pm

See you when you arrive cuntface. I'll tell them at the desk to look out for an evolved, flabby, little loud mouth, with a head trimmed up like a bearded clam, and a stupid hat on. And stinking of bundy. But we'll put it down as missing in action... again, despite how much you have to drink. Glad to see you love following my every movement too. No, most are front foot. Its obvious, as you know nothing about force production through glutes, quads, back, you would'nt know. Others have highlighted it too. Partly due to the pig dogging craze too. Put it down to a bungle, like your other ones, like the 'everyone is born with cancer' bullshit, etc, etc., etc, etc, etc, etc,. Not a crime. Again, unless you want to come down and show us all this power and knowledge of yours... I'll leave a bar in the rack for you. Come and get me when you want it shifted, or you'll just hurt yourself.

Whingenutter, focus on your board thing if you want to get somewhere with it. Do you really think your opinion is that weighty and reliable?

That idea you wanted to 'teach', to 'learn' everyone was impractical, meaningless, ridiculous, comical. Guys like you would be grovelling on the cliff for hours, covered in limestone dust, measuring everything, before getting hurled through the sky and bounced down the reef. Hilarious shit.

If you don't like what I say, just ignore it. Try your your little heart out. If you can't, and find yourself fretting and squwarkin' and obsessing about me, checking my facebook, investigating me all day, ringing people up etc, get help. Or come and see me, I'll help you in a nano second. Dork.

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wingnut2443 commented Sunday, 9 Nov 2014 at 4:37pm

uplift wrote: ... If you don't like what I say, just ignore it ...

We have OUR answer!

So, on that note:

Brutus, do ya think GW would share the nose and tail measurements?

I was also somewhat surprised that he had to redesign the boards and did not have the exact measurements from the originals. Surely, there would be one or two still around somewhere a few measurements could be taken off? Or, fully scanned ...

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brutus commented Sunday, 9 Nov 2014 at 1:37pm

ah uppayer....I think you also have a dose of selfesteemistis........nah don't drink anymore, a glass of red now and then.....and I wonder how many surfers,pros.world champions you have had to shape for and work out which foot they surf off...hmmm...I would hazard a guess at 0 ,nada...and never will .....your dilusionalistis has been kicking in.......or is just the long term effects of roids and beefcakeitis???

your continuing infatuation with my look ,dreaming my face was/is a vagina...and then you offer to bar up for me.......man ya getting a bit personal....but I can understand that living for sooo long in an area that probably doesn't understand dual gender people like you...has brought on quite a few of your current ITIS crisis.....

coming onto these bds is good therapy though you can see how many people here really empathize with you...or not!!

back to GW and the banana bds...for KS........I wonder if GW has any rocker dimensions such as nose & tail rocker ???

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rh-taxi commented Sunday, 9 Nov 2014 at 3:12pm

This is a surfing forum I thought, you're on the wrong website Uplift, you should be on a gym, strength training whatever forum and not boring everyone senseless with your endless superior blather. If you haven't surfed for 4 or 5 years maybe you should get out there and relax a little, cut back on the gym abit and chill out.

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uplift commented Sunday, 9 Nov 2014 at 4:30pm

Tell it to herro, it was his idea, he's the one that highlighted getting big legs and not being skinny... you wouldn't be skinny would you taxed?

Clammy, it would help your understanding if you knew something about fitness, force transmission. All the talk about 'power' in surfing is comical. As the elite coach they hired pointed out, its severely, 'lacking'. Boardies do the trick though.

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stray-gator_2 commented Monday, 10 Nov 2014 at 11:38am

Mickey, my poor, poor little mate. The other kids are not playing very nicely, are they? Horrible little buggers. Come over to my place after school and we’ll play with the Hornby set. And I’ll call that nice priest you seemed to get along so well with, and see if he can drop by too – he never seems to have much on.*

(*Especially when it gets really hot. Mind you, even boardies would be better than nothing - I really should say something).

I aim to give you something that you can keep for life. A bit like herpes. My techniques are not available in any book or course; what would scientists know? I have played with model trains for 40 plus years.

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grog-an commented Monday, 10 Nov 2014 at 8:11am

NOTHING..... ZERO.................. ZILCH.........................................................
No credibility...............................................................................................

WORDY SAID IT, SO BAD LUCK!!

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stunet commented Monday, 10 Nov 2014 at 11:47am

I'm gonna call a halt to this comment thread, at least to the turn it took three or so pages back. I'll leave the comments open should someone wanna contribute something to the article but if the bickering continues I'll close comments.

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brutus commented Monday, 10 Nov 2014 at 12:07pm

one mans bickering is another mans fun.....hehe....

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uplift commented Monday, 10 Nov 2014 at 12:27pm

Just a suggestion, I think team 'bickers', should ban Herro.

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stray-gator_2 commented Monday, 10 Nov 2014 at 12:43pm

I've got bikkies (and lollies) at my place. See you after school. We'll play tunnels and junctions.

I aim to give you something that you can keep for life. A bit like herpes. My techniques are not available in any book or course; what would scientists know? I have played with model trains for 40 plus years.

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the-roller commented Tuesday, 11 Nov 2014 at 8:14am

Kelly ought to throw it way back. Show up on the North Shore with tinted colour boards fully gloss coated. Complete with pin lines. Yew!

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stunet commented Tuesday, 11 Nov 2014 at 8:16am

...and Lightning Bolts! Just to show he's serious about the Pipeline.

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mothart commented Tuesday, 11 Nov 2014 at 9:24am

So the basic design idea with the bananas is you need a real deep concave to go with it?
Just singles, or did they go into a double conk in the tail?

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the-roller commented Tuesday, 11 Nov 2014 at 10:41am

mothart, haven't a clue, bru...

shoots, who doesn't dig a good banana bender?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lightningbolteurope/3444230633/lightbox/

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mothart commented Tuesday, 11 Nov 2014 at 12:40pm

Rolla, you forgot to say 'Yew' at the end.

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caml commented Tuesday, 11 Nov 2014 at 5:26pm

Mothart yes thats correct single conc was how webbers were . I was riding webbers single concave tail boards and then got copies made by col ladhams before they became banana rockered . At the time my mentors tried to talk me out of the idea and convince me that vees were better . I had lucked onto a 2nd hand webber that was made for matt pitts and it was by far the best thing id ridden at that stage

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udo commented Thursday, 20 Nov 2014 at 7:38am

Slater is obviously on the north shore ,any pics or footage around of him surfing a banana rockered board ?
EDIT: still resting those broken toes.

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udo commented Tuesday, 16 Dec 2014 at 1:01pm

Who shaped the boards KS rode at pipe comp ?

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stunet commented Tuesday, 16 Dec 2014 at 1:05pm

Pretty sure they were all CI. Why, you reckon it might've been someone else? No Webber's among them.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 16 Dec 2014 at 3:56pm

Anyone remember about 15 years ago when Slater said that Herro had nothing to offer the surfing world anymore ?

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stunet commented Thursday, 17 Jan 2019 at 10:20am

Recent stills of Slater riding a Greg Webber-shaped SD at Haleiwa. The board is 5'9" x 18 ¾ 2 9/16 with a deep double concave on the bottom and a double concave deck (scooped deck).

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stunet commented Friday, 18 Jan 2019 at 11:34am

More info: Slater has ordered three more of the Webber boards ridden in above photos, and Greg hopes to put the model into production soon. It's not a Banana Mk II - or even Mk III.

Says Greg: "Poor old Banana got squashed twice, and unfairly. Kelly also did some of the best turns he’d done too. At least this thing isn’t too rockered."

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offshoreozzie commented Friday, 18 Jan 2019 at 11:48am

What a great FREE archive/repository of information and discussion you have with these posts and comments - cheers Swellnet!

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stunet commented Friday, 18 Jan 2019 at 2:08pm

Two of Blowin's 90s rocker ships...

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Blowin commented Friday, 18 Jan 2019 at 2:14pm

Cheers , Stu.

The Nichol was neither mine nor excessively rockered though. Wish I still had the Webber. No idea what became of it . Stunet probably has it stashed away in his Aladdin’s cave of elf slipper boards by now. Admit it !!

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stunet commented Friday, 18 Jan 2019 at 2:18pm

Nup, not there.

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lostdoggy commented Tuesday, 22 Jan 2019 at 6:59am

Stu, have you ever considered sexing up your quiver?

https://www.ebay.com.au/myb/Summary?MyEbay&gbh=1

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stunet commented Tuesday, 22 Jan 2019 at 8:35am

That's sick. Unfortunately no board courier I know of goes there and it's too far away to drive.

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memlasurf commented Tuesday, 22 Jan 2019 at 3:06pm

Geez Stu how does your wife cope with that lot.

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Blowin commented Friday, 18 Jan 2019 at 2:41pm

Holy shit.

Look at that hectic purple grimace thing. Someone out there did that on purpose.

I’d still ride it.

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Blowin commented Friday, 18 Jan 2019 at 2:50pm

Is that a 6’10” ish banana semi gun on the far left ?

Where would you ride that thing ?

Nice line up , BTW . You ridden them all yet ? You know where they’d go good ? Angourie or Periscopes. The right in the vid above where he’s wearing the springy is perfect for them too...as evidenced by his ridiculous, searing turns. So wave specific.

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stunet commented Friday, 18 Jan 2019 at 3:01pm

7'6" on the furthest left and 7'0" next to it. Neither are full bananas but they're both rockered and refined. I've ridden neither of them. I had a 7'10" Insight that was similar and went unreal in big waves, including small-to-mid Sunset, but I busted it at Queenscliff Bombora. Third from left is a 6'8" banana, that board is pretty wild,

I've probably only ridden half of these boards. When I do, I dont expect them to go great. I'm fascinated by the era they were built but it was a long time ago, things have got much better. That said, the 'purple grimace' banana in the middle rides like a bar of soap in a bathtub when you get it in the right waves.

I've got two Slater Design bananas and they're better to ride, but again you need the right angles underneath you.

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Ash commented Friday, 18 Jan 2019 at 3:02pm

Like a bunch of toe nail clippings

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velocityjohnno commented Friday, 18 Jan 2019 at 7:14pm

So, 4+ years after thread (and uplift) - did the rocker ships come back?
I'm not seeing it here. Down South WA maybe?
Edit: soft boards are what is taking off. Who could have predicted that in 2014??

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Greg Webber commented Saturday, 19 Jan 2019 at 1:40pm

I’ll just start making these Creatures and let surfers decide.

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Island Bay commented Saturday, 19 Jan 2019 at 2:36pm

Looking forward to seeing some more people on the Creatures, Greg!

And Blowin, you're right about Peris. Talk about a wave that's always bowling up hard right in front of you.

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Spuddups commented Saturday, 19 Jan 2019 at 6:07pm

I reckon if you ride a variety of different boards in different conditions then chances are you’ll surf better. A banana has gotta be worth a try I reckon.