Vaccinate or not

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Supafreak started the topic in Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 6:20pm

I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?

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sypkan Monday, 24 May 2021 at 10:45pm

well i'd agree with all that indod, but you'd think with all those positive outcomes, and all that no drama, people would be keen to get back to normal...

appears not, I think a couple of things feeding it. people don't believe the bullshit from the media, and others... and are still very wary of this virus, which is fair enough, ...if it is some frankenvirus gone wrong, literally anything could still happen...

then there's the vaccine question... many questions actually..., so yeh, slowly slowly is probably best case scenario

and, i think a lot of fatigue about all things global (and the bullshit talk we've been sold... again... and again...) has culminated over a long period, and the big pustulous wound was pierced by the virus. so when you ask about opening borders, this is what most people are thinking about just as much as the virus, and rather than their trips overseas... which is fair enough again...

house prices... stimulus... avoiding recession... copious debt... all lost opportunities from what I can see...

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truebluebasher Tuesday, 25 May 2021 at 12:08am

People are starting to smell the Garbage...
"Covid Surges in 4 outta 5 most vaxed Countries"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/05/11/covid-surges-in-4-of-...

69,360,030/cases (Year) [ Post Vax era ] > 98,156,345/cases (> 6 months)
*186,541 cases/day [ Post Vax era ] > *591,303 cases/day (404,762 extra cases/day)
1,581,120 deaths (Year) [ Post Vax era ] >1,897,099 deaths (> 6months)
*4,250 deaths/day [ Post Vax era ] > *11,428 deaths/day (7,178 extra deaths/day)

* 2/3x Vax Infectious effect...notice how perfect it measures from smallest > Largest Rollout.
tbb has exampled the same in Oz Rollout & many others...
Note the above News article somehow excuses Israel..watch what happens when we revisit Rollout.

Jan/Feb WHO EPE (IPC) P Hunter "Warned" Israel 2-10 day > (2/3x) Rollout Vax Spike
Keep an eye on perfect 2/3x Vax effect on even the most tiniest worn out Rollout...it's unearthly!
https://waterandhealthconference.pathable.co/people/dykREoh2jjcXkr6Lk

Revisiting a very different lifeless Vax Landscape echoing ultra low covid cases...but watch & see!
Israel's Downhill Vax Rollout still ramps a little & each resulted in 2/3 day - 2/3x Covid cases.
P Hunter was spot on in Feb as we see again in May, even at opposite ends of same Rollout
29-30th March Vax Ramp (.29 > .33) 201 > 514 cases = 30-31st > (2 days + 2/3x)
3-4th April Vax Ramp (.23 >.28) 177 > 356 cases = 5-7th > (2 days + 2x)
19-22nd April Vax Ramp (.10 > .13) > 135 - 315 cases = 22nd (2/3 days + 2/3x)

As no one ever said...It's in the Vax Stupid...The Spike effect to be more precise!

From Mega World > Tiny Rollout (WHO's Professor's 2day > 2/3x ramp is embedded in the Vax)
Not one Vax but all Vax that copies the Perfect Lab Like Covid Spike...re: One of Us...all the same.
The Graphs clearly exhibit most vaxed Cities / States / Nations spike largest outbreaks (re :Top!)

Pfizer 2nd Dose was also revealed to spread a Covid Variant.
7-13 day window leaves Pfizer Vaxers 8x more open to South African infection than non vaccinated.
Note Australia : Stamp 8x Contagious Day 7 Pfizer Vaxerz as Fully Vaccinated.
Meaning Govt is to blindly reward 8x spreaderz flights & venue access & lock out non spreaders.
Simple mention of Gold Standard Oz Vaccine standards ramps another Poll Boost for Daggy Dad.

So again we see anomaly of Pfizer Vax spreading Covid from 2x-8x thru Whole Rollout.
Never once is the vaxer informed to isolate during these infectious super spreading periods!
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/south-african-variant-may-brea...

How do we Vaccinate!
UK NHS - Vax dose ID > 10 day 2/3x infectious > Please isolate (2m SD) + Compo
CDC- Vax Dose ID > 2nd dose 14 days min to reach immunity. (1.8-2m SD) (1m Kids) + Compo

Gold Standard Oz Model...
TGA - No Vax dose ID > No isolation > 7 day infectious Superspread...(1.5m SD) + No Compo

3 aligned English speaking Nations all run 25% -100% opposite Covid response for everything!
If all 3 are right...then there's yer Garbage heap! Who's gonna believe them?
Just saying they can keep censoring, but they can't hide all of this forever...Vax is #1 problem & cure.

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 25 May 2021 at 8:19am

Supafreak wrote: WTF , this was on a lembongan local Facebook page , https://fb.watch/5HdRfJVIx-/. Vaccinate or not ?

Saw that it's going around Indonesian FB many saying its in Indonesia but it's actually in South America i think Brazil, someone posted and article about it in comments in the Indio group i saw it but it seems the whole post has now been deleted.

Lot of this type of shit is most likely just fake staged Anti Vax propaganda set out to just put doubt etc in people, its obviously self shot from phone sitting on table and vaccinator would know that.

But it also could be corruption, pay the vaccinator money not to get the jab but then get the tick saying they have been vaccinated, it's compulsory in Brazil to get the jab for many areas of employment.

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 25 May 2021 at 8:19am

@sypkan

I think the thing to remember is although for most of us surfers international travel is important and if the doors opened tomorrow we would be booking our flights to Indonesia etc.

But for most of the population they wouldn't have that much interest going overseas at the moment especially older retired type travellers and familys.

For some perspective only 57% of Aussies have passports.

So i think for most Aussies they are happy to be in this protective bubble, so yeah 100% agree that the strong shut borders approach is popular, i personally cant see us being able to travel OS freely until 2023.

But hope im wrong.

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Supafreak Tuesday, 25 May 2021 at 10:07am

@indo , thanks for the info on that FB post , I was also wondering if a scam will start up where you can pay for paperwork to say you have been vaccinated , if people were paying to skip quarantine then a market for such would suit people who are against vaccination and live in Indonesia.

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truebluebasher Tuesday, 25 May 2021 at 5:10pm

Covid Vax Rollout Speed Limit (Soundly Tested & Exclusive to Swellnet)

Firstly! Just like Testing, Vaccinating herds the most vulnerable & exposed to same point in time.
Govt whips up a frenzy of people persons demanding to spread 2/3 x Covid with Passports.
That's the same Rocket fuel that continually stokes WR Rollout Pandemics...(Not one, will isolate!)

The Vax 2/3x spike has it's own speed & Rollout must surf the same speed to avoid outbreaks.
Rollout Operators increase or decrease Covid with their Vax Pedal...it accepts most Vax Fuels.

Vax odometer increments are not based on amount of Vax but Rollout % of Vax infection rate
We don't choose this speed ...Vax sets this speed & all World Rollouts are bound by it!
All nations that tried to outpace the speed of the Vax suffered great loss. (re: Media Headlines)

Any here can also Test / measure or record this Vax speed per Nation to see for themselves.
Yes! It is consistent with Standard Rollout Data & all here can see it's only as real as the data.
Small Vax increments manage or sustain the VAX but Larger increments bring devastation.
Small increments bundle to slow Vax Peaks or in troughs to Gauge or reset speed.
Larger increments Vax vertically > Outbreaks or Panic Drop from peaks to escape Vax > Outbreak.
All will see them Dominate the Vax /100 Graphs & reflect 2/3 days later in Daily case Spikes.

Observers see that Vax has a default daily speed of [0.01] or [0.10] Vaxerz per 100 people.
Yes! You can read & trace the vax speed on Our World in Data.
Note some countries delay Vax by 1/2/3 days Vax Outbreaks delay 1/2/3 days as given.

The Viral Infectious Speed is Limited to "10% Daily increments" [0.01 > 0.02] or [0.10 > 0.20] Ok.
Acceleration to 2/3x Covid Vax Spike (Emissions) eg: [0.01 > 0.03 ] or [0.10 > 0.30] = Covid Spike.
Rule: Rollout Speed must keep below Vaccine's viral factor of 2/3x to contain Vax's Viral Outbreak.
As said...climb in single increments & Rollout will both rise & contain any Vax led Outbreaks.
Further upon this...the impact is worse if a State / City keeps ramping then so to the Vax outbreak.
Basically if you wanna ramp Vax you must manage the vax 2x evenly or regionally.
In doing so should collectively chart above 2x & contain cases...could & should work in sprawl States.

This Rollout Speedo works in all countries that tbb has previously exampled including Oz.
In fact...tbb has yet to see a Rollout where it doesn't apply.
Sure! It's just a Posh way of revamping boring Vax / Cases Graphs.
CDC use 'Our World in Data'...( Vax /100 Most exact for this Rollout Speedo)

Let's Roll

[.00/100] doses per day idles covid for up to 4months abatement + Outbreaks during Holiday seasons.

[.01/100] doses per day counters 2/3x Vax Spike > Rolls out well while containing the Vax spike.
Note: This is the Vax Speed Limit for Peak Vax Season...there is no need to exceed this speed limit.
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{ Warning } You must never Ramp Rollout to these levels...all end in complete carnage.
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[.02/100] doses per day ramps 2x Vax Spike > Covid Outbreaks > {Warning} (Really Bad Idea!)
Big Nations all tried to master 2x increments/day & all suffered the wrath of the Vax biting back.
US state of Michigan tried equal cities 2/3x distribution = Top 10/12 US Covid Outbreaks.
No Premier can outrun 10 Rollout Cities at Vax Pace...once one goes...they all follow! $1200% Health

[.03/100] doses per day ramps 3x Vax Spike > Covid Headlines > (Horrific) You must Stop! Go Back!
The vax is running & escaping from yer Rollout...Nation is awash in Outbreaks.

[.04/100] doses per day skyrockets 3/4x > Vax Spike > WR Covid > (Pure Evil) No words describe this!
re: "Rollout is Worldwide Front Page Horrific Train wreck"
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# Emergency Brake #
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Lockdown
Repeat reduced doses by 2 increments/day as cases subside beneath 2/3x factor.
This is only to keep public trust...Rollout Abandonment doesn't instil confidence!
Engage strict 1-10 day 1st + 2nd Dose Vaccine Isolation
This should end the Vax Spike Outbreak > WR Covid recovery...now hand over yer Vax Licence!

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 25 May 2021 at 5:50pm

Another big Covid name now not convinced Covid didn't escape from Wuhan lab.

"Anthony Fauci ‘not convinced’ Covid-19 started naturally in China

America’s top virus expert Anthony Fauci wants an investigation into how Covid-19 originated, and is “not convinced” it started naturally.

The idea that the coronavirus pandemic originated in a Chinese lab has long been fodder for conspiracy theorists on social media.

But discussions on the theory are no longer limited to fringe groups and online forums — the idea is now being discussed within the upper echelons of intelligence communities and at government briefings around the world.

The top adviser on the COVID-19 pandemic to US President Joe Biden has added his voice to the subject, arguing more needs to be done to prove the virus did not start at China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology where coronavirus research was being conducted on bats.

Speaking at the United Facts of America festival earlier this month, Dr Anthony Fauci said he’s “not convinced” the virus developed naturally.
“No actually. I am not convinced about that,” the director of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases said.

“I think we should continue to investigate what went on in China until we continue to find out to the best of our ability what happened.”

He added: “Certainly, the people who investigated it say it likely was the emergence from an animal reservoir that then infected individuals, but it could have been something else, and we need to find that out.

“So, you know, that’s the reason why I said I’m perfectly in favour of any investigation that looks into the origin of the virus.”

As reported by the New York Post, Dr Fauci told a Senate hearing on May 11 that a “full investigation” is needed.

Asked by Republican Senator Roger Marshall during the exchange if he thinks it is “possible that COVID-19 arose from a lab accident … in Wuhan”, Dr Fauci responded: “That possibility certainly exists, and I am totally in favour of a full investigation of whether that could have happened.”

A new report from the Republican party’s House Intelligence Committee, released last Thursday, claims there is “significant circumstantial evidence” that COVID-19 originated from a leak at the Chinese lab.

Republicans wrote in the report: “International efforts to discover the true source of the virus … have been stymied by a lack of co-operation from the People’s Republic of China.”

A new report from CNN reveals that researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology fell ill in November of 2019 — a month before the first reported case of COVID-19 anywhere in the world emerged from the same city.

Citing a State Department fact sheet, the report notes the workers had to be hospitalised but does not say what symptoms they had or whether their symptoms were linked to known illnesses.

The US Director of National Intelligence Avril Haynes told the Worldwide Threats Hearing in April that there remains no concrete answer on exactly where and how coronavirus began.

“The intelligence community does not know exactly where, when, or how the COVID-19 virus was transmitted initially,” she said.

Disease ecologist Peter Daszak, who worked on the World Health Organisation’s investigation into the origins of COVID-19, told CNN there are only theories that the virus originated in a lab and “really still no evidence”.

“It’s not a complete throwing out of that hypothesis,” he said.

“It’s a conclusion that it’s extremely unlikely and that there is a much more likely hypothesis out there.”

Australia is one of a number of countries to demand an independent inquiry into the origins of the virus.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said last year that it was “entirely reasonable and sensible” to investigate the origin of the virus thoroughly, but China did not take the comments well.

“Now, it would seem entirely reasonable and sensible that the world would want to have an independent assessment of how this all occurred, so we can learn the lessons and prevent it from happening again,” Mr Morrison said.

But the relationship between Canberra and Beijing has since soured and China’s President Xi Jinping is no longer taking Mr Morrison’s calls.

Chinese state media responded to Australia’s comments about COVID-19 by suggesting that Australia is “gum stuck to the bottom of China’s shoe”.
https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/experts-not-convinced-covid19-develop...

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Supafreak Tuesday, 25 May 2021 at 8:44pm

@indo , the thing about Fauci is he tends to say what is popular at the time , he has no consistency , the bloke in my opinion couldn’t lie straight in bed .

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soggydog Tuesday, 25 May 2021 at 10:22pm

Josh Rogan, an investigative journalist had quite an enlightening conversation on the Joe Rogan show regarding the possible origin of Covid and the evidence to support his theory.

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sypkan Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 12:10am

josh rogin article...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/comments?storyUrl=https%3a%2f%2fwww.washi...

it's alarming to the point of being disturbing that so many commentators have their position, and are offended to the point of disgust that people have the audacity to ask questions that don't fit the prescribed world view...

so disturbing

isn't science about asking questions?

especially the most obviously possible ones

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 1:57am

supafreak wants to know why Kidz need to Vax...
So ya know, the kidz stats aren't logged into the Matrix Grid they come on their own School tables
When tbb sorts thru ...can bring 'em up...Archives & such...try & get a clear solid link!..getting late!

Naturally US now emotively (Disney Style!) argue to Vax the Kidz...
tbb says that ...because these fuckerz know what's goin' on & can stop this or embed it Totally.
Crew are gonna have to step up to keep these bastards honest!

Again! It's getting late but tbb knew exactly what was going down & uncovered their Kiddies Secret.
If Vax was Working, more Vaxed Parents should be shielding their Families & dropping US Cases.
The opposite is true.. US kids are getting more infected with Covid as Vax spreads Covid thru Families.
Start of Dec Rollout 2200/100,000 (12.2%) 6th May 5121/100,000 (14%) That's only the Kids ramp!
(2/3x) Vax Infection > Rollout Ramps > Cases > Deaths > Unvaxed Kids > Vax Spreads 2/3x to all.

tbb needs more time to detail the rise as to vax rise....at a glance it looks obvious...
However! Can at least share why it's easy for tbb to say that...

Actually! supafreak might wanna tune in here..re: Concerns with Junior Covid / Vax...
US Kidz were 2.6% pre Vax cases...recall WHO's #1 Hit Song ( Kidz don't get Covid ya Fuckin retards )
Govt's Post Vax C&W Tune enters Top 100 with a bullet #1 Hit Song ( Kidz now suffer 24% of Covid )
In the new fab Vax era...kids ramped (823%) covid cases to finally score some Pensioner Scripts.

That Vax sure is some miracle Cure...fixed up the Kidz measly Covid supplies, now got more than Nan.
US is gonna need a heapin helpin of Universities for Parent's to kick their contagious Vax Habits.
Might be better for the Parents to say they don't know any better...
We can just forget about this & just bury it ..."But we run outta Holes!"...Just get another Planet...durr!

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Optimist Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 5:52am

Just get vaccinated.
The day the French finished helping build the P4 lab for China they were chucked out of the picture. It was always going to be military.
https://www.mediapart.fr/en/journal/france/310520/strange-saga-how-franc...
A project they were working on escaped a bit early due to lack of expertise.Slackness is big in China.
Count your blessings we have vaccines and the death rate is dropping.
Get off the internet and listen to your Australian medical advice and get vaccinated to help stop it mutating into something worse....End of story.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 8:36am

Supafreak wrote: @indo , the thing about Fauci is he tends to say what is popular at the time , he has no consistency , the bloke in my opinion couldn’t lie straight in bed .

Yeah I was posting his view more to just show how mainstream and accepted the lab leak theory has become.

There has been plenty of articles on it in the last week or so, it seems it again is getting lots of attention again

It should never have been a conspiracy theory, investigations should have been the first place they began investigating, just like if a tiger was found on the streets of Melbourne first place you would expect it came from was the Melbourne Zoo.

Another article

"Why scientists are suddenly more interested in the lab-leak theory of Covid's origin"

What's new?

A US intelligence report found that several researchers at China's Wuhan Institute of Virology fell ill in November 2019 and had to be hospitalized, a new detail about the severity of their symptoms. It's not clear the researchers contracted Covid-19 and the lab strongly denied the report, calling it a lie to push the so-called lab-leak theory for the disease origin."

From article here https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/25/politics/wuhan-lab-covid-origin-theor...

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batfink Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 8:57am

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/may/22/world-expert-in-scientif...

I thought this was interesting.

As for whether it came from nature or from a lab in Wuhan, it seems very unlikely that the question will ever be answered satisfactorily.

For me, it just doesn’t matter. I can’t see what difference it makes if we find out absolutely conclusively that it came from natural causes, or it came from a lab. Would be interested to hear others opinions on why they think it is important, what would you do and what would happen differently if we did have conclusive proof, either way?

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shortenism Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 11:15am

US Senator Rand Paul a medical doctor himself has publicly announced his opposition to taking an experimental COVID vaccine, citing natural immunity from already having it. That a boy... But you wont see that in the media here.

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sypkan Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 11:28am

"What's new?

A US intelligence report found that several researchers at China's Wuhan Institute of Virology fell ill in November 2019 and had to be hospitalized, a new detail about the severity of their symptoms. It's not clear the researchers contracted Covid-19 and the lab strongly denied the report, calling it a lie to push the so-called lab-leak theory for the disease origin.""

but is this new?

pretty sure that was reported in that epoch times video thst was getting around about 12 months ago. if it wasn't in there, it was in another documantary style vid that also raised the disappearing data base amongst other things...

the disappearing data base should have been an instant red flag. even if china's story of it being done to avoid hacking has merit, there is absolutely no reason they couldn't share the data base with WHO investigators internally. absolutely no reason or justification whatsoever...

yet this was all accepted as ok, very little questioning or media coverage

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Blowin Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 11:50am

Batfink- You don’t think it matters that there may have been a concerted attempt by global institutions, political organisations and MSM to quell and silence any enquiry into the possibility of Chinese lab leak? You don’t think It bears consideration what motives there was to silence dissent on the issue?

Still to the day the most impactful event on humanity in the last century and you don’t think it’s important to establish not just the origin, but the machinations behind controlled narratives and outcomes?

Why the US CDC aligned itself with the CCP in preference to the President of the USA? Why the WHO ran cover for the CCP?

Even the ridiculous idea that the term “ China virus” being considered racist comes across as a completely manufactured concept when put into context of Indian variant , South African variant etc. I think the whole issue has illustrated quite starkly the extent of CCP influence and corruption throughout the world.

Seems bizarre to me.

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sypkan Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 12:14pm

".For me, it just doesn’t matter. I can’t see what difference it makes if we find out absolutely conclusively that it came from natural causes, or it came from a lab. Would be interested to hear others opinions on why they think it is important, what would you do and what would happen differently if we did have conclusive proof, either way?"

I literally cannot believe that seemingly intelligent people can write such things...

that's not a shot at you, i just literally cannot believe it...

you have no curiousity at all?

putting non niggling curiousity aside... it is important because, we... the chinese... someone... clearly needs to learn some lessons. not least to avoid it happening again.

i think how this lab leak 'conspiracy' has been framed from the start has seriously messed with people's perspectives. a lab leak doesn't necessarily mean nutty scientists building and tweaking a frankenvirus in the dark of night...

it may well be a plain old boring natural virus that only escaped due to human error

it may be a perfectly (...well, reasonably...) innocent GOF virus, being studied to further medicine and all the good it brings, that accidently escaped

and, it may well be a GOF bioweapon virus that also escaped due to human error

...or it may well be everyone's worst fears...

whatever it is, the origin is most important for learning, furthering science, and avoiding disaster in the future

if it's a genetically modified virus, it adds a whole new level of complexity, as we do not know how it will mutate and interact with nature, especially if it's genetic modification is 'gain of function'....

if it's not, at a minimum, we need to assess and review the collaborations and outsourcing we are doing with B grade laboritories operating under non accountable dictatorships

the 'gain of function' research is under the radar common publicly available knowledge, open for all to see, as is the funding, collaborations, and the shutting down and moving of the research to china under faucci's watch

none of this is conspiracy stuff

or shouldn't be...

the lack of public curiousity from some is unbelievable to me, that can only possibly be explained by the perverse framing of the debate from the very beginning

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Blowin Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 12:07pm

Especially interesting revealing the origin of the virus when placed in context with the propaganda videos which emerged from China at the outbreak of otherwise normal people spontaneously collapsing and dying in the street, the CCP and WHO’s determined attempts to ensure viral distribution pathways aka global travel ex-Wuhan was not interrupted.

Apparently it was initially racist to control borders with the place in which the virus originated. Anyone see a pattern emerging here?

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troppo dichotomy Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 12:33pm

One also must question the timing of the 'accidental' or deliberate outbreak/release?

Hong Kong was on the boil.Trump was up for re-election.

We got the poison,we got the remedy.

Just $hut up and take your medicine!

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Supafreak Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 12:48pm

Yes great comments sypkan , for me it’s important to find the true origin and if it has escaped from a lab then the questions are many and its a can of worms that needs opening. Australia has one of these labs and same thing could happen here. If it has come naturally then more needs to be done about wet markets around the world , this needs to be done anyway but if it’s proven as the origin then no excuse for allowing them to continue in the current conditions governments allow. The way my thinking goes , if it was a natural cause then China has nothing to hide and immediate investigation would have been welcomed by the CCP . What would you be afraid off if you knew 100% that it didn’t come from your lab ? The worst case scenario is that it was manufactured in a lab and deliberately released to cause a collapse of economy and kaos throughout the world. So many questions that need to be answered and to not investigate is to not care . I’m currently sitting in a medical centre waiting for the jab , I was in no hurry and out of curiosity looked at how long the line up was so last night I looked online and got in to my local centre in tweed heads today . Thought may as well get it over and done with and if a emergency comes up with my wife’s family then I will be good to go . Vaccine hesitation seems to be increasing and the receptionist said they have had zero issues with clients but a noticeable drop in numbers coming through the door was happening.

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Supafreak Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 1:19pm

shortenism wrote: US Senator Rand Paul a medical doctor himself has publicly announced his opposition to taking an experimental COVID vaccine, citing natural immunity from already having it. That a boy... But you wont see that in the media here.

Agreed Shortenism , if you have natural immunity you should also be free to travel with out having a proof of vaccination , proof of recovery from covid and proof of antibodies is something governments don’t give a fluck about. Well it’s been 15 minutes since the jab so I’m out of here . Good luck all , whatever you choose .
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frog Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 1:36pm

Scientists all around the world are doing weird stuff fiddling with the genetics of viruses and bacteria. Some have a clear purpose and a beneficial end goal. Some have underpinning warfare related intents (offense and defence). Some are just fiddling because they can or to keep busy and win grants.

Every laboratory would have some degree of deny and deflect as their instinctive go to solution for any problem.

We have not seen a once in a hundred year event. We have seen the future.

Hopefully behind closed doors many dubious research projects have been quietly put in the incinerator and precautions doubled to at least reduce the risk.

Then there is geopolitics. In January 2020 there was the brief opportunity to try to confine the virus or to share it with the world. That was THE critical decision above all else made by someone - or more likely let drift until it was too late.

Back then, though after SARS, MERS and Ebola going no-where much, there was a strong sense among many commentators, investment experts etc. that it was a storm in a teacup.

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sypkan Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 3:08pm

"We have not seen a once in a hundred year event. We have seen the future.

Hopefully behind closed doors many dubious research projects have been quietly put in the incinerator and precautions doubled to at least reduce the risk."

hear bloody hear to that!!

I hate to pick on china... again... but given the context, and current state of world geopolitics...

china had become a bit of a runaway train... in many ways, but especially research, ...as, like just about everything... it can be done cheaper in china, at a relatively high standard. not least due to wages, infrastructure costs, government incentives, a diligent population, and laxxed regulations etc. across the board

it seems just about every western university has some kind of research reciprocity agreement with china. you've just got to look at the oz examples, and the US, ...when the shit hit the fan, many were desperately scrambling to either save face or arrangements.

look at the organ harvesting allegations, ...examples actually... western millionaires / billionaires benefitting from a much more laxxed, yet way more secretive environnent. universities and rogue researchers were doing exactly the same

it was 'all good' ...until it wasn't...

this all comes back to china manipulating the world and it's rules to its own benefit, walking both sides of the fence... claiming developing country status, and associated leniacy and aid benefits when it suits, but then claiming (and stealing) some of the most developed technoligies in the world. ...they do it, and have done it, right across the board, with their scamming of intellectual property rights

and it's the west that's facillitated it, with it's hunger and greed to access the biggest marketplace in the world, from science all the way to basketball, the west has compromised its morals and values to access and facillitate the beast

you can't really blame the chinese, not the people anyway, they are just taking up opportunities, taking up on and exploiting opportunities, with considerable consequences, many western people are either too greedy, naive, one eyed, or complicit in to see...

we've been duped, ripped off, and placated into a slumber of complacency. we have created the frankenbeast as much as they have, through a culture of nonchalance and benevolance...

virus or not... lab leak or not... a time of reckoning is long long overdue...

I hate talk of 'values', but that's what it comes down to... we have developed and constrained ourselves by certain values that arguably have served the west well as technology runs away from us... then we threw all that caution to the wind... to empower and facillitate a 'developing' china... to facillitate a sleeping beast within...

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Supafreak Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 3:20pm

Here’s the epoch times early video that sypkan was talking about for anyone interested.

Epoch times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times. Falun Gong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong I think the founder of Falun Gong lives in New York

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sypkan Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 3:26pm

...I do blame the ccp though... those keyunts are totally corrupt...

"power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"

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zenagain Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 6:34pm

"Throughout 2019 China's economy was stalling, the magnifying glass was focused on their human rights violations, a renewed push for democracy in HK, ASEAN nations starting to push back against their South China Sea illegal territorial grab, others questioning their role in the BRI, US tariffs starting to bite as well as a shift back to the USA's favour after reluctantly having to sign off on a renewed trade agreement.

Fast forward and the pandemic wreaks havoc on the world, especially the USA and China's economy is again booming and back to double digit growth. All this in an election year resulting in a government sympathetic rather than antagonistic towards them.

Is there not the teenciest bit of coincidence there, or was the CCP just incredibly lucky?"

I wrote this back in November last year and as I stood by it then, I still stand by it now. I guess at present the exception is the Biden government maintaining their relatively hardline approach towards the CCP without necessarily being as vociferous as Trump. Nobody can convince me otherwise that this pandemic was as a result of some young lady getting stuck into a hearty bowl of bat soup. Millions dead, economies in tatters, lives ruined and the only country that has come out the other side smiling is China. Any attempt at getting to the bottom of how this virus manifested itself has been stymied at the source and been met with obfuscation at best and sabotage at worst. While their economy has cooled a little, it is still the only economy that has experienced month on month growth in the last year and a half contrasting with every other economy, developed or otherwise, contracting.

Syp replied to me that it may well not have been the result of an accidental lab leak, but they sure as hell have leveraged the beejesus out of it.

And some.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 6:48pm

Personally I think they have known all long that the most likely source of the outbreak was the Wuhan lab, where they have been known to be messing around with Coronaviruses even doing gain of function research.

I think everyone(but Trump) has just been trying to just do their best to keep China happy to ensure they cooperated as much as possible especially in the first few weeks to months, but now its reached a certain stage where we can start being more open and honest about things.

China will never ever ever admit wrong though, because saving face in Chinese culture is huge, i believe the phrase actually comes from China. (obviously translated)

PS. Supafreak Damn i thought i had a new video to watch, but clicked on it and I've watched that one.

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Supafreak Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 7:05pm

Yeah indo its a year old now , was interesting to watch again and compare to what’s being said now . With all the intelligence agencies and spying that goes on I believe “they”know exactly what happened and it’s another one of those secrets that won’t come out for a few decades. My first thoughts when the virus broke was “seriously ? A pandemic starting in China during a trade war with USA “ it seemed like to big a coincidence. And the way WHO acted early was incredibly suss.

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 26 May 2021 at 10:55pm

Sri Zhengli > France + China +CSIRO +UNC +WIV (All were United pre / mid 2019)
Each mainland is restricted to 1x Military Zoo/Human BSL4
China > Bat Research CSIRO > Rodent Trials UNC > Old World Spike experiments WIV
The Cycle starts with EU > China > Oz Trials > US Tests > WIV Experiments >(Cheap Production)
The answers many seek are hidden in plain sight...every last dollar & cent & Lab Leak.

Sri Zhengli : https://www.ws-virology.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/CV_SHI-ZL-2018_AS...
1996 -2000 France Phd Student Shi Zhengi > France finances Mainland Bio Weapon Lab WIV.
Feb-May 2006 - CSIRO ( Visiting Scientist- Corona Virus ) Shi Zhengli + France (P4Lab Licence)
2010: Chinese Military Grant funded CSIRO Military BSL4 Melbourne to DNA their Military Weapon.
Refers to UK Dr Drew (CSIRO) taking the envelope from Dr Tu (Chinese Military Academy buddy)
2011-13: China > Shi Zenghli Oz Coronavirus Studies...at CSIRO.
2014 NIAID > WHO Daszak $5m NIH Corona Spike protein sequence infectious clone receptor binds.
Davros - funded by USAID, Google, Fogarty, Rockefeller & his 700 Daleks tentacle all Media / Science.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK62502/
2014-19 ext >20 : Daszak > PREDICT- Future Coronavirus Emergence $855k Shi Zenghli
2014-19 ext >20 : Daszak > PREDICT - Pandemic Coordinator $720k Shi Zenghli
2014 - Obama GOF (3 year) Funding Freeze from Dec.
2017- Trump lifts GOF funding freeze in Dec
2018/23 - CAS Grants - Shi Zenghli
*Pathogens > Novel Coronavirus $700k
*Host > Receptor $135k
*(Strategic Priority)* "Genetic Evolution > Transmission" $1,76m

2018: Oz / US Military Coronavirus researcher Shi opened WIV Military BSL4 to spike Bioweapon.
UNC Lab Baric partners Oz /US/Chinese Militaries on DAVROZ Bio Weapon.
https://www.propublica.org/article/near-misses-at-unc-chapel-hills-high-...
More precisely Daszak's Predict > Shi Zenghli joins Ralph S Baric to Spike mices to pieces..

2018 WIV was up & Running ...DAVROS & Batshit Crazy Lady Bio Weapon needs old world charm WIV is very much a default US Military lab.
Note: [ English Typeface Dominates ] {Made in China Sign} is an leased - add on with Chop Stix
We see Dalek Leader DAVROS get Saluted at Secret Hideout. (WHO Censorship sequence)
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/9toKjWWj39v7vOzh3J26Rw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlna...
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/16d79223693a5b926c5bee957de0f9a6ddd28f5e/...
It all comes back to DAVROS ...media don't give a shit about flyweights...
Watch the same WHO trick again....only deep inside enemy lines...
Note: Again Open Press Photos > (Not French / Not Chinese) but English typeface Lab Door Signs
Paparazzi Spies were foiled by Top Secret US Code Words ...
D 36 [ DECONTAMINATE SHOWERS ]
D67 [ ANIMALS ROOM 2 ]
https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/5N...

[ Bat shit crazy Secret Door ] ...is Censored....
https://img.i-scmp.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=contain,width=1098,format=auto/...
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CAS Lab Leaks >
Nextdoor to Exotic Wuhan Markets is the Secret Freezer of Exotic Human Race Decimation Drugs.
You can tell they're kinda important for some reason by the way they're stored...No Lab leaks here!
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3919496
Scientists launder contaminated Lab Rats at Wet Market to fund fresh Wet Market Lab Rats.
https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-...
Lab workers in Wuhan have also reported being bitten by Bats then spreading blood.

June 2019 US Copyright Law - Chinese Military Students Research Bans 6th Aug - US Fort Detrick Lab Shut Down (Claims of Wuhan Games Virus Batch >Deep Clean)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/virus-biological-us-ar...
Sept World Military Games Welcoming Crew...Paranoid or standard Pandemic preparations?
Note: Airport Face Masks + Posh Seat Covers / Dual Table Cloths maybe a sign?
https://m.weibo.cn/status/4417955901048977
18 Oct Event 21 (Gates / WHO > Oz Boss Jane Halton)
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/players/halton.html

18th Oct WMG 11,000 Athletes met by masked crews with Heat Guns & trained in Empty Streets
Wuhan Military Games standard Drama...
Pre Games Violations of Property destruction / Blocked Windows / Beatings / Killings / Evacuation
Usual US/Chinese blame Game of Athletes Cheating / Medals Stripped & Pass the Bio Weapon.
500+ infected with a 2 week virus- med supplies ran out as still infected return to Worldwide Towns.
Now think as to why China was so strict in evacuating Games Precinct & Masks on Airport Staff.
US Military Bosses deny all knowledge of any 10,000 competitor Military Games ever being held?
FF to last Question..."Was there any Screening of Team USA returning from Wuhan?" #? Squish #?
Sorted !...https://prospect.org/coronavirus/did-the-military-world-games-spread-cov...

Score 100/10 for the Opening Ceremony...


https://prospect.org/coronavirus/did-the-military-world-games-spread-cov...
Be hard to hide biggest & best Ceremony ever with Global Pandemic as the finale..Top that fuckerz!
Team Euro "Doc says we had Covid"...Had Wot! ..."Nothin', Army said to just forget about it...like."
US Military Air Base Cities were said to reveal first US covid clusters.
Traced back to 6 person games units fuelled with Targeted Nation's homecoming souvenirs US vs China blame each other for the Bio Weapon Outbreak that both deny ever happened
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27th Oct Games End > Last Flight for CBD Officials ...November
Likely that Wuhan Airport staff repeated the Mask routine for 500+ infected missiles of 11,300.
Start Nov- Is likely when Airport Staff unmasked (Big Mistake!) As Top Brass may have got infected.
1st Week Nov -Airport Worker/s catch a Cold...(No such thing as Covid, nothing to fear!)

17th Nov - 55y/o Hubei man has Covid >1st case or earliest reported case to date.
(Widely reported by most MSM on 13th March 2020)
https://www.firstpost.com/health/55-yr-old-hubei-resident-who-contracted...
Recent News includes Wuhan Lab Workers being infected bin Nov. by Covid like symptoms.
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End Nov : CSIRO / US / 5 eyes / NATO / Israel are informed of outbreak by CAS
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9th Dec - Covid Total was reported by China as 28 & spreading up to 5 cases/day (Twice)
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Revelation...Point of Miracle Contact
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10th Dec - Scomo's origin of virus is the Wet Market Shrimp Lady case #29 > *Polls Skyrocket**
Case solved Pandemic is Over! WHO surrender...you got us Scomo!...too bloody smart for us!
Of course that's the half baked pigs arse Hero tale that Oz media serve up daily. Misinformation.
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16th May - Smoking Gun : Predict US Military Phase 2 Covid Maker Ralph Baric
Naughty Baric ditched all the Evil bastards > Daszak- Bat Lady/Predict/Lancet/WHO/Google/Wiki. Baric has come back from the Dark Side & signed with the WIV Lab Rats to bite back. Our Hero!

25th May -Biden bans US funded Chinese GOF.

There is an unsung hero in all this... Prof. Richard Ebright who called them out every chance he got.
https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright
https://www.gmwatch.org/en/news/latest-news/19437-why-are-the-lab-escape...

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Supafreak Thursday, 27 May 2021 at 4:25am

Thanks TBB some very interesting links , its a real who dunnit case . I’m surprised Russia hasn’t been blamed by anyone they usually cop it .

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sam_2 Thursday, 27 May 2021 at 9:22am

TBB top work. Heres one on human immunity DNA and vaccines.. a few minutes in Gregg gets started.

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sam_2 Thursday, 27 May 2021 at 9:38am

If link doesnt work.. type Gregg Braden Worldview Pioneer Series: Health Freedom pt 3

search on Youtube. Not sure if the stuff i posted above is correct links

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truebluebasher Thursday, 27 May 2021 at 12:35pm

Thanx crew...work in progress...Timeline cont...
25th May - Ban on US funded GOF Chinese Pandemics > WHO funded Chinese Pandemics is fine!
27th May -The Prez of once freeworld has pointed the bone...[ Another real proper Origin INQUIRY ]
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/26/joe-biden-us-intelligenc...

Oz started inquiry to hide the fact that Chinese Military paid CSIRO for original Pandemic recipe.
Each hurl Frozen Chooks thru the Wet Market to ward off Covid...Ok! Was Chooks now Missiles!

(Converted Evil Monsters) Prez/Military/WHO (vs) MSM sponsored Davroz Daleks + Gates Gofs
You-Me >Comic Store with full on sweaty [OZ 1.5m SD] Game Consoles...Mutant Planet "Origin 2".
Game On!
Dateless nerdy Chick awkwardly stumbles into the Comic Store..."Oops! Must be trippin' out again.
....Pandemic powers down__________
"So sorry I unplugged yer little Pandemic Battle Game...where do I stick yer Vax thingy...?"

Dec/Jan 2020 : Further of interest was the deep cleaning of WIV post Outbreak.
20/01/ 2020: [Date Stamp] WHO Field Visit Video (re: Same Doors) [English Typeface is Removed]

(a) Daszak hiding his overreach at WIV...
(b) WHO Decontaminating any sign or trace of default US Viral compliance.
"For a start...You can take down those incriminating signs NOW!... I thought I said NOW!"

Just to be sure: Lab & gear is sourced from & branded by Anglo firms + WIV visitor Maps are Ok.
They removed the Lab Compliant Anglo directives thus removing any association with Outbreak.
Now that is high level sneaky & only a guilty person would ramp to next level detail..

Now why would anyone go to such great lengths as to remove [ English Typeface] Lab safety signs.
More Importantly, Non Compliance of safety signage is a breach & automatically shuts Lab.
just saying either Daszak hid signs from WHO > WHO hid signs from World? (Choose from lesser Evil)

tbb lost track of vid as [Date stamp] was on a security monitor Vid inside WHO visit vid - News site...
Only now recall the date & relevance of Western crew in control of security vid...hope to find it gain.
So yeah! All were staring at same doors with Anglo Labels removed...+ Deep Clean Lab date stamp.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 27 May 2021 at 12:39pm

Awesome news:" From tomorrow, the federal government's COVID-19 vaccination program will expand to allow Victorians aged 40-49 years to receive the Pfizer vaccine at state-run vaccination sites." https://amp.9news.com.au/article/ceb9e8ab-7544-4983-b649-adf482f348cb

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Blowin Thursday, 27 May 2021 at 1:27pm

Victorians locked under house arrest for another week.

Classic.

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sypkan Thursday, 27 May 2021 at 1:50pm

bloody hilarious...

unless you're a victorian

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Sprout Thursday, 27 May 2021 at 2:08pm

How long have they had to vaccinate health workers, aged, etc. - months. Just let anyone who wants it get it, or at least do that 1 day a week.

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Supafreak Thursday, 27 May 2021 at 2:41pm

When I took the survey yesterday on what Australians think , in my age bracket 50 - 59 male 50 % said they wouldn’t get the AZ jab , 70 % said the would get the Pfizer jab and 30 % said neither jab . There is some distust for the AZ vaccine which I received yesterday . 24 hrs after the jab I'm experiencing mild common symptoms ( 2 out of 3 people get these )that were in the paperwork they gave me , slight headache , sore muscles ( in back ) and tiredness . Did what was recommended and had some Panadol and feel ok now . Spoke to female friend who had Pfizer, she is 45 yo nurse and had no side effects at all . Strange thing is she was told some people have reaction after 2nd dose of Pfizer and its the opposite for AZ . Blokes at work all bagged me for getting jab and said I was mad . Didn’t argue , its not a big deal to me but definitely is for some . Good luck over the coming weeks in Victoria , wonder how many are currently bailing out . ?

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amb Thursday, 27 May 2021 at 3:00pm

SF im in the same age bracket as you, my local GP advised not to have the AZ and wait for more data to be collected. If i could get the PZ i would but cant .

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Supafreak Thursday, 27 May 2021 at 3:11pm

@amb , don’t blame ya mate if that’s what your Dr advised . When I spoke to my Dr 3 months ago he rolled his eyes and said its all about money lol This guy advised me to get CBD oil for my bursitis in shoulder , he said you can get government script and pay $180 or go to Nimbin and pay $70 at hemp emphorian , I took second option and it fixed me up in about 3 -4 weeks with help from osteopath.

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Supafreak Thursday, 27 May 2021 at 4:15pm

@amb , from everything I’ve looked at as far as AZ is concerned it hasn’t done that well against the South African strain , with UK and Indian strains AZ is as good as Pfizer. I think eventually Australia will revert to solely Pfizer or Moderna as it can be fine tuned as covid mutates and we will be eventually making it here , everyone will probably need annual boosters . This isnt a certainty but a possibility. Here’s a unrelated article on reinfection. https://trialsitenews.com/what-about-re-infections-with-the-covid-virus-...

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Dx3 Thursday, 27 May 2021 at 4:15pm

By now, every single aged care resident and worker in Australia should have had both jabs, it should have been an absolute non-negotiable to prioritise getting it into every centre ASAP, as that is where the significant majority of deaths occured last year. And that's what we're meant to prevent here, deaths, not just the world-obsessed case numbers. There are thousands of residents that haven't even had one jab. Unacceptable.

That aside, it's time to just let those who want a jab get one. The over 50's have had long enough to get their first jab, time to open it up to all, at least as a minimum in Victoria, as for whatever fucking reason we just can't manage covid. Then once we're comfortable that everyone's been given a crack at getting their jab, we end any thought of using lockdowns. Those who don't wanna get the jab, that's fine they can take their chances if they catch it.

Unfortunately due to slow roll-out, this winter is cooked for Victoria, but that should be the plan ahead.

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Supafreak Thursday, 27 May 2021 at 4:25pm

@Dx3 , yep it’s hard to comprehend what has gone on with aged care and disabilities . Yet I booked on Tuesday night and got appointment for next day . No excuses.

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 27 May 2021 at 4:42pm

Blowin wrote: Victorians locked under house arrest for another week.

Classic.

Sucks for us Mexicans, but i guess the silver lining is it's probably going to increase vaccine take up.

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Blowin Thursday, 27 May 2021 at 4:51pm

I haven’t been following ....how’d this drama come about?

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indo-dreaming Thursday, 27 May 2021 at 5:09pm

I believe it came from someone in SA that was in SA quarantine and slipped through with it, then came to Vic.

So to be fair this one is just bad luck for Vic.

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sypkan Thursday, 27 May 2021 at 5:42pm

"SF im in the same age bracket as you, my local GP advised not to have the AZ and wait for more data to be collected. If i could get the PZ i would but cant ."

geez, thats interesting, coming from a gp no less!

as is this...

"When I spoke to my Dr 3 months ago he rolled his eyes and said its all about money lol... "

good to have that kind of relationship with ya doc.

...better than anything big pharma can give ya...

(thats all without considering the current fasco...)