Interesting stuff

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Blowin started the topic in Friday, 21 Jun 2019 at 8:01am

Have it cunts

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stunet commented Monday, 6 Jul 2020 at 3:53pm

Good article from Surfer on the rise, dominance and uncertain future of Brazilian pro surfing, called 'The Rise, Dominance, and Uncertain Future of Brazilian Pro Surfing'.

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GuySmiley commented Monday, 6 Jul 2020 at 4:55pm

Hey Zen,
The Mamas and Papas nice, always liked that song, they did some great tunes
Here's a gem from a little later on hope you (and others) enjoy .... RnR royalty right here .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeaO5UZ5OcI

You want more you say .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgS-txfQbqQ

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bluediamond commented Monday, 6 Jul 2020 at 4:53pm

Was a good read Stu. Interesting to see how all pieces of the past few years have come together...maybe gonna be a little down turn for a while. And only the Brazillian's could have a surf mag called 'Moist'. Classic!!

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 7:28am

What’s going to happen in America when Trump gets re-elected ?

How far will the fascists go to remove the democratically elected leader this time ?

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stunet commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 8:08am

Still some notion of America's capacity to reinvent itself, it's a nation of immensely creative and ambitious people, however partisan politics and ideological movements are congealing around non-negotiable positions, while the Bush Wars are depleting morale, self-belief, and money.

Perhaps the worst thing that could happen to America is Trump getting re-elected. He's served his person, highlighted a heretofore ignored concept, but everything he's done since then has been devastating to America. Cometh the hour, cometh the wrecking ball.

If he gets in the future is China's for the taking.

And if Kanye West becomes pres I'll sign up to the CCP myself.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 8:20am

But the Trump lesson was never learnt . Nothings changed . If anything , things have gotten worse as the social dissatisfaction due to inequality/ neoliberalism has been cynically manipulated into a race war.

It’s a struggle to endure this fella , yet he makes some worthy points.

https://youtu.be/TqvglTEXADc

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 8:26am

The more important question is, what happens when Trump loses? Trump isn't going to accept that election result but I'm confident the US Military will behave appropriately and ensure Trump actually goes.
It's the heavily armed Karen and Ken's in the Trump Cult that are the problem.
There's three guaranteed things for election 2020.
1. China and Russia will be doing everything they can to help Trump (The dictator cuddled) win.
2. Trump will do plenty of things, like voter suppression and gerrymandering, to ensure the elections are not free and fair.
3. It will be violent.
But hey, on the bright side, 99% of Covid cases are harmless in the USA, so they got that going for them.

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stunet commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 8:31am

Can't listen to that. If there's a transcript I'll read it. Ain't listening.

Agree it's hard to see Dems crossing the floor on some matters, perhaps lessoned learned from eight years of oppositionalism?

Never mind China on the rise, Trump cannot lead for the nation, only his base, so if he gets in the self-fulfilling prophecy of all preppers, Libertarians, militia men, and miscellaneous nutters comes one very large step closer to reality.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 9:02am

Stu.....go to 4:25 in that video to hear Michael Moore talking about the situation pre-Trump victory and predicting Trump’s election.

I’d never seen it before. The sort of obvious insight completely lacking from the MSM ....even to this day !

Yes , it’s still true to this day. Even more so now that the population is getting told what they can and can’t think in a manufactured culture war.

Trump will romp it in and shit will hit the fan . He’s obviously not the leader needed but there is literally no one else willing to walk the path that the population has highlighted with the protest vote.

Question remains ....Why do the Democrats continue to refuse to acknowledge this ? Why are they ( like the ALP ) so beholden to the neoliberalism that undermines their core principles ?

Joe Biden ? I’m not sure if he’s the answer to anything except the question “ What does it look like when an ageing politician suffers cognitive deterioration under the public gaze ? “

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 9:00am

Like I said, it's the right wing nutters that are the real problem in the USA. Have a look how they mobilised with guns to a non-existent flag burning event.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/hundreds-of-armed-men-went...
These fucking idiots will believe anything, and if Trump says he was robbed at the 2020 election they will grab the military weapons to defend the cult leader.

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AndyM commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 9:02am

Crikey Moses Blowin, how do you even find stuff like that?

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 9:03am

It got linked somewhere. Probably MacroBusiness.

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GuySmiley commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 9:12am

Trump is Trump. He was always going to operate in the ugly combative way he has. It’s the Republican Party that continues to support him that should be held in the highest level of contempt. So it has come to this in a country where if you wear a mask to protect yourself against COVID-19 it is seen as a sign of weakness, of how leftist you are and how much of a sinner you are blocking God’s holy airway. North America is broken, a shell of its former great self,

I disagree with the notion that armed nutters will rise up if Trump fails because they aren’t that brave nor organised, maybe some isolated acts of violence but hey that’s an everyday event in the
land of the free.

Don’t discount Trump not contesting a second time, he will prefer to not contest than lose.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 9:08am

Funnily enough .....the Washington Post didn’t report on this https://www.zerohedge.com/political/were-your-house-lets-go-black-militi...

The first twitter link is an eye opener and a sign of where things are headed. This situation has been nurtured, planned and underwritten by mainstream US media , corporations and politicians.

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stunet commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 9:10am

Yep, I've seen that, and understand why they vote for him, but it's just Trump talking pretty. Same way he said he'd drain the swamp, and then stacked his cabinet and the executive with cronies. Trump's reshoring was largely bogus to begin with, automation and wage costs laid waste to the dream of American factories on American soil staffed by American people.

But yeah, he said the right thing.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 9:11am

I don’t think North America is broken anymore than I thought Australia was broken with Tony Abbott at the helm. I reckon it’s a victim of an insidious plan to divide and distract the nation .

Is it wrong to assume the vast majority of US citizens aren’t represented by the minority of weirdos you see paraded by the media ? Most crew just want to coexist in peace.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 9:15am

Stu......so much could be done to MAGA. It doesn’t have to end at hollow pre-electoral platitudes.

That’s why I’m completely at a loss as to why the Democrats are fielding a mentally unsound right-wing candidate instead of recognising the successful concept behind Trump’s victory , realising that it actually falls within the scope of their principles and seriously running with it themselves.

I’d say that it’s a similar case and cause to the ALP abandonment of the working class....corruption.

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stunet commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 9:18am

"I don’t think North America is broken anymore than I thought Australia was broken with Tony Abbott at the helm. I reckon it’s a victim of an insidious plan to divide and distract the nation ."

?????

No-one's divided the nation more than Trump, no-one's accelerated their descent like him, so why do you keep championing him?

He's the opposite Abe Lincoln. An abomination for American unity.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 9:26am

Where does it say I’m championing Trump ?

He’s no better or worse - or more divisive - than the Democrats.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 9:34am

"I disagree with the notion that armed nutters will rise up if Trump fails because they aren’t that brave nor organised"
Guy, This is true to a point. These armed nutters see themselves as rugged individualists, so we will see lone wolf terrorism repeated many times across the country. It won't be organised on the ground, but it will be organised online.
I read a book called "A Warning - Anonymous" by a senior Trump administration official. The author obviously is, or was, a central figure in the Trump administration and he writes about a plan for a "mass resignation" of the "steady staters". These are people who support republican causes but are horrified at Trump's incompetence, ignorance, racism, and corruption. They planned to all resign at the same time to highlight how bad things are under Trump. They didn't go through with the plan because their replacements would have been dangerous "yes men".
Most of the Steady Staters have been picked off or resigned individually. You can expect all these ex-Trump administration officials to dump a huge pile of shit on Trump during the election campaign. The full horror of Trump will come out prior to Nov 2020.

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stunet commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 9:38am

"Where does it say I’m championing Trump ?"

I have extra-sensory perception.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 9:40am

Trump's "no better or worse - or more divisive - than the Democrats."
Trump is a person who tweeted a video of his supporters yelling "white power"? He used the military to tear gas his own people so he could do a photo shoot at a church. He regularly retweets extremist content and promotes mad conspiracy theories.
You've spent years on this site promoting and denying racism. It's no shock that you think the Democrats are as divisive as Trump. When it comes to racism, you and Trump are cut from the same cloth.

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Westofthelake commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 9:44am

The entire US system of voting is flawed. When a state with 500 000 people can have as many Senate representatives as a state with 16 million then you know things don't add up.

But it goes much deeper than that and there isn't anyone more capable of explaining the deficiencies than a comedian who knows what he is talking about.

"How did the 2020 presidential election in America come down to Donald Trump vs. Joe Biden? Hasan illustrates why our partisan, two-party system is the result of winner-take-all elections and why ranked choice voting is a much more democratic alternative. He also talks to U.S. Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) about the ideological divide in the Democratic party between moderates and progressives."

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 9:50am

Jair Bolsonaro has Covid symptoms. Good. That might focus the minds of his Brazilian Cult members.

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sypkan commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 10:59am

I honestly cannot believe this stuff gets no media attention. there has been the most distorted version of reality being pitched to the punters for the last month or so its actually quite scary

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/were-your-house-lets-go-black-militi...

https://youtu.be/TqvglTEXADc

and the presentation from the abc in oz has been up there with the best of them, ....and that is the sole reason I bag the abc...

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 11:20am

hypocrisy
/hɪˈpɒkrɪsi/
noun
noun: hypocrisy; plural noun: hypocrisies
the practice of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/commonwealth-must-acknowledge-racist...

She said this would be a moment of “ reckoning “ where people would own their past mistakes .....sounds like the “ born into sin “ divisive bullshit is looking at getting a proper run.

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stunet commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 11:24am

Sypkan can't believe the media distortions.

Is this like the ABC said chess is racist stuff again? You know, where all the distortion is in your mind.

And Blowin, go on, why is it hypocritical? I can't see anything hypocritical about it, even accounting for the Collins definition and the handy phonetic spelling you've provided.

Perhaps you mean misguided?

misguided
/mis-gahy-did/
adjective
misled; mistaken:
'Their naive actions were a misguided attempt to help the poor.'

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garyg1412 commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 11:36am

sypkan I'd be interested to know who you put in "the best of them" category??

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GuySmiley commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 11:40am

Westofthelake makes an excellent point about electoral distortion in Nth America.

Like so many other important public services e.g. health, education and policing nationally consistent electoral laws and standards like we have here in Australia do not exist in Nth America.

Electoral laws and standards governing every and all facets of how elections are run in Nth America vary wildly from state to state. Gerrymandering is extreme and US citizens are barred from voting in many states if they have a criminal conviction.

There are many objective studies of the US electoral system that conclude a Republican president and a majority of Republican senators and governors would never be elected if all these electoral distortions were removed.

North America - the land of the free and democracy, yeah nah.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 11:41am

Ahh Remember when Obama wore a tan suit and Fox News went ballistic about it for days on end. When Trump bragged about grabbing pussy from unsuspecting women, Fox News said it was just locker room talk.
The idiot conservatives like to make mountains out of mole hills. Toilet signs, chess, and anti bullying campaigns turn into the decline of western society as we know it. It's fucking pathetic what triggers these muppets.

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stunet commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 11:48am

"One of the Morrison government's first acts was to quietly kill off Malcolm Turnbull's plan for greater transparency about how lobbyists interact with the federal government, leaving in place a system widely regarded as ineffective and described as "light touch" by auditors."

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/morrison-ditched-turnbull-era-plans-for-greater-transparency-in-political-lobbying-20200701-p5583t.html

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sypkan commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 12:15pm

you're totally misinterpreting my point re. abc, but I'll move on

my main issue with them is the totally warped version of events they presented. the reporting of chaz about 5 days after it happened, presenting it as a daytime music festival - which it was - whilst totally ignoring all the nastyness that went on at night. same with ny and just about the whole coverage of every city. totally ignoring an absolute abundance of normally 'gold' news material.

the vids were all there for all to see, assumung you knew where to look. ...and assuming a 'journalist' would know where to look...

absolute gold standard news material, ignored for months

the best of them?

I follow a heap of them, whilst trying to ignore their influence, so not good with the names, but its all the cnn's, vox's, nbc's, cnbc's cnnnnbc's and on... nyt, wa-po, etc., even pbs

there's definitely some weird 'consensus' of reality going on

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 1:12pm

No, Stu. I mean hypocrisy.

When the reality of her inferral is that convicts sent against their will to a prison island for the term of their natural life , should be “ owning “ their white guilt and committing to repatriations , whilst I’ll bet London Bridge to a dollar that Harry - the direct descendant and primary beneficiary of the crew who declared Terra Nullis / Slave trade / colonialist profiteering- won’t be saying goodbye to too much in the way of real wealth .

Misguided implies that they don’t genuinely expect anyone to dedicate real wealth or sacrifice to the cause. Of course they do.....just not their wealth.

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stunet commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 1:23pm

Jeez, more of the White Fragility thing again.

You're the only one who ever brings it up. I've never encountered anyone so oddly fixated on the injustices committed against white people.

Please give it a rest on Swellnet.

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 1:44pm

Ha Ha, where's the like button for your comment stunet?
Won't someone please think of the persecuted white people in Australia and the USA*

*other than blowin.

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yorkessurfer commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 1:59pm

Anyone seen ‘Ticked off Vic’ and his eloquent take on how the average American is feeling right now? It’s gold......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLcNStHTDjM

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stunet commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 2:08pm

There's spittle flying everywhere but none of it lands on the lens?

Bloke's got talent.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 2:29pm

The Dutchess of England confidently telling White people that they are going to have to own their past .....what the fuck does that mean ? That ain’t some “ white fragility “ buzzword spewed out of some woke clown’s imagination. She is separating White people from the rest of humanity and declaring that they are uniquely guilty of some supposed injustice and that every other race is owed something. She ain’t referring to Japanese , Chinese , Saudi’s or Sudanese ....she means White people.

Again....that’s part of the royal family , not some politically active undergraduate.

If you think all this isn’t headed somewhere it’s cause you can’t see what’s coming.

The fella who thought that Covid 19 was going to forgotten about in a few weeks now can’t see that there’s some radical shit coming down the pipeline. None of which is going to benefit your kids or their kids.

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Spuddups commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 2:25pm

Ha ha, That guy looked like he was going to blow a gasket.

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stunet commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 2:38pm

"She ain’t referring to Japanese , Chinese , Saudi’s or Sudanese ....she means White people."

Well of course not, she was talking about the Commonwealth of England - which is, you know, white.

I think you're reading something into it that doesn't exist.

And FWIW this 'owning' of the past has occured in formal settings such as the ANC's Truth and Reconcilliation Commission. More informally, understanding the power dynamics that fermented past injustices helps deter them recurring.

Anyway, she's a Royal and a Hollywood celeb, double ball to the cheese, so she has to smile and say naff things. I really don't know why anyone of sound mind even cares what she says, leave along get angry about it.

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zenagain commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 2:59pm

Barbados is white?

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 3:01pm

Because it’s not a standalone incident. It’s not happening in a vacuum.

I’m talking about the emerging mindset that White people deserve to be persecuted.

Take that couple in the states who were quietly having dinner inside their house when a mob broke into their yard and started saying they were going to murder them , burn their house and kill their dog. The crowd was chanting “ This land isn’t yours anymore .”

A man and woman left to defend themselves from hundreds of unprovoked mob fuvkwits and who do people side with ....the mob !
Crew talk as if these people deserved what happened to them and that they were fuckwits for being shit scared and brandishing guns against hundreds of people.

That’s fucking perverse.

There’s even fuckwits on here taking the piss out of them , calling them Karen and Ken . Acting like they earned what happened- still happening- because they were white.

Put that into context with the same people crying because someone, somewhere suffered a micro aggression such as being asked where they were from . The same fuckwits who think the full weight of the law needs to be thrown at someone who gives a race based verbal slur on a bus , now think that it’s funny if two innocent people are targeted because of their skin colour - as long as it’s white.

The incident happened in the USA but the mindset is here- White people are bad and deserve what they get.

I’m commenting on current affairs and events. Shit which is in the papers and on the news every day and you ask me not to discuss it on Swellnet cause you think I’m some White supremacist suffering white fragility and dirtying up your homage to critical thinking.....pfffft.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 3:10pm

“And FWIW this 'owning' of the past has occured in formal settings such as the ANC's Truth and Reconcilliation Commission. More informally, understanding the power dynamics that fermented past injustices helps deter them recurring.“

Is that what you think this is about - understanding ?

Is that really where you think this ends ? Everyone nodding their heads in acknowledgement of the past ?

For sure....I care about something you don’t and that makes me of unsound mind ? I see a path into the future which you don’t and you think I’m the stupid one ? Rightio.

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blowfly commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 3:11pm

"you ask me not to discuss it on Swellnet cause you think I’m some White supremacist suffering white fragility and dirtying up your homage to critical thinking.....pfffft."

No I expect, like everyone else Stu is just bored numb with your ranting and raving about the same old, same old, day after day, ad nauseam and reducing any political discussion to black and white bfore insulting everyone (except Stu) who disagrees with you.......now doesn't this make you happy! You can now insult me all up and down the forums and vent the anger you feel at Stu!

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stunet commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 3:11pm

Trust me mate, it ain't just me complaining.

You've written on here before how you commend us for our attitude to free speech, yet you wouldn't have clue what 'your' free speech costs 'us', so knock off your victimhood shit.

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 3:12pm

Blindboy.....you put up about a dozen full length diatribes about how a Trump was going to blow up the world and he was Hitler.

You’ve started multiple threads about our imminent drownings from global warming.....you think no one got bored of your silly shit ?

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Blowin commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 3:16pm

OK Stu.....I’ll leave you to it.

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GuySmiley commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 3:23pm

Time for some classic Blues Brothers ....

Good ole boys being good ole boys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yysbQcD8WMU

What are you going to do about it whitey?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTT1qUswYL0

Art imitating life?

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Vic Local commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 3:21pm

"so knock off your victimhood shit".
It's not going to happen stunet. The Poor White Man routine is the easy option for the ne'er-do-wells. These people just want a lazy excuse. Fucking losers genuinely think they are being persecuted for being white. How fucking pathetic can you get..

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zenagain commented Tuesday, 7 Jul 2020 at 4:42pm

I reckon what's more pathetic is being coerced in to being ashamed of your skin colour as some sort of moral justification for past misdeeds.

That's really gonna set every one up for the future.

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