udo, 1574750244

Unreal..5'10 Edge twin...gonna have to drop $549 at Sideways for one..


Made in Indonesia ?

stunet, 1574750268

Yep. The Sideways ones are made at PSI.

udo, 1574751432

1st Pic C -drives quad set from NVS ?

stunet, 1574752053

I think that's the last set Troy had left from a run a few years back.

So not from the new run, though they look the same.

simba, 1574752187

Been waiting for this report and well worth it....glad Phils found his niche and whats old is new again ...sort of.........so by my reckoning it has a planning area of a 17 inch wide board ?...Stoked you have an open mind Stunet,cause we get a glimpse of possible designs....swellnets own test pilot. yew

davetherave, 1574754031

For sale, 7"6 PHIL Myers. Being kind and friendly gives you a head start. Thank you swell net, it's easy to control. But harder to evolve. Swellnet, thank you for being you,blessed to be a swellnet family member.

crg, 1574758657

How does it hold on deep/hard carves and cutbacks? I remember seeing something with Rasta saying his GG edge board had a tendency to grab so hard he blew his knee out - I think it was on much bigger boards though.

stunet, 1574759746

Bigger board, and bigger edge too.

You'll notice the ones Phil does are shorter and more subtle. I had no problems with hold.

One thing I didn't mention, however, was it's ability to flow. One of the other sticking points I've had with fish is the...well, stickiness. The old style keel fish with no fin toe could be like riding on train tracks, especially when mixed with concave. Toeing the fins will help, but it's still been a bugbear for me on flat-rockered boards.

Anyway, the vee bottom tippiness gave it a preponderence to be on rail, and stopped that stickiness.

davetherave, 1574760171

Are we biased though? When I blew my 6'4 apart and Billy rack sold me a 5'11 belly channel Ben Aida, I was very sceptical. But he promised me it would work. Best board ever. It was only through many hours of talking with Wayne Deane that i became aware that a surfboard was more than what i thought. Now i know that a surfboard is a physical representation of a a human that has connected fully to the vibrant energy system of the ocean and connectiveness of planet earth and all its inhabitants. Yes, we seem like we are all lost, but loving the lost means we embrace all of ourselves.

davetherave, 1574760497

For sale means, you will surf it. Sitting in my shed, not how she was meant to be. I would really love her to be back in the water again.

goofyfoot, 1574761323

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5Rs_FzJ_jG/?igshid=13scy8yiv5ne6

Ellis looks like his hand shaped edge board catches on rail a bit?

stunet, 1574761598

But the high points are outta sight...

goofyfoot, 1574761785

Yep, still surfing amazingly well no doubt about it.

If I could do one of those turns in my life I’d be very happy

crg, 1574761987

"...like riding on train tracks..."
Good analogy, probably my major dislike of fishy boards too. So good to see these "old" ideas explored further.
Thanks Stu and Phil !

lostdoggy, 1574763582

Please tell us more about it Dave.
7'6?
What sort of board?

davetherave, 1574763708

Wow, that Is a beautiful turn. One frame grab don't mean a wave surfed good though. I am always overwhelmed when in the company of surf wizards though. Neal purchase senior one of my good mates and just a true gentleman plus a genius. Listening to him makes me realize that I am so lucky to be around someone who really understands what it truly means to be a human being experiencing being a surfer. Thanks Neal, you are a role model that I would love to emulate.

velocityjohnno, 1574765583

Great tube sense, but I can see that too.

tango, 1574769661

Jesus, what a turn.

tango, 1574769710

Great post, Stu.

kooklife, 1574798746

Don't do it... soft weak glassing and extremely poor customer service (my experience). Spend a little extra and order it directly from the man himself and you will not be sorry!! He is a super nice guy and you'll get a board that will last.

udo, 1574805045

What board did you buy...did you tell the super nice guy he had a quality problem?

radiationrules, 1574809646

Stu > i cant believe you can ride a 5'8" @ 3/8 > i'd need one for each leg > RR

surfstarved, 1574816883

Great article Stu, the analyses of design and construction are by far my favourite area that you cover and you do it exceedingly well. Thanks to Phil for his ongoing contribution too, he's a great source of inspiration for many of us and I'm very happy you've gone into this partnership with him Stu.
I'm actually in the process of testing my own take on the fish and it's been a very interesting ride so far. Rather than the parallel twin, it's got a glassed-on quad set-up, toed-in and canted to 6 degrees (front) and 2 degrees (rear). Theoretically it shouldn't be nearly as tracky as the twin, but I had all sorts of trouble getting it out of its rut until I realised that the position of my back foot made all the difference. I found that if I had back foot above or in front of the leading edge of the front fins, the board loosened right up and I had a whole lot more control over the turns, which got tighter and tighter the harder I pushed it.
I still haven't found its limits (I think my own limits will be reached long before I find the board's). It has a single to double concave bottom, with a bit of V in the tail, but ever since seeing the Kidman/Ellis film I've wished that I'd had a go at the edge design. That'll have to be the next experiment.

kooklife, 1574819806

Udo, the tone in your question is unnecessary. I first attempted to resolve the issue with sideways ( as it was their board so their problem) but was told that the soft glass was totally normal. I then attempted to contact sideways several times to let them know of my disappointment and was ignored. Then...Yeah I let him know and he was really good about it. He even offered to fix it for me. So yeah he is a super nice guy and next time I need a board he'll get my money directly.

davetherave, 1574822629

Gday lostdoggy. Mate now taking board back to west Oz then Bali. She's a beautiful 7"6, bit skinny in the nose but good for bigger waves. We were all on the piss last night celebrating and we all love surfboard design commentaries. So thanks again, stunet, we love those articles and pictures. Living here we are lucky to be around so many surfboard craftspeople and like Neal Snr and the late great Deany, all are wonderful interesting human beings.

udo, 1574823838

No tone intended ..what model board did you buy ?

simba, 1574825518

Stu why the C Drives?.....Tried any other fins?

farquarson, 1574826141

I made a quad fin fish with a dome bottom -like mccoy does. Totally loose, fast & free , no drag or tracking . Brilliant combo.

http://wollumbin-woodsticks.blogspot.com/

Rick Snowden, 1574828893

Agree with the stickiness of the keeled twin (and quad), particularly those with a girthy booty – rear foot placement is paramount to opening it up.
How about I whip down your way and give these edge designs a spin, Stu? Perhaps then I'll have a morsel of credible commentary input. After watching Ellis in Surfer's 'Handmade2' I'm super curious...

bipola, 1574837068

surfboard design moves on i look forward to the future
soft glassing is never normal for general surfers
only contest surfers use it as they have back up boards with there caddies in the water.

Ape Anonymous, 1574894029

In boating, the edges are called "chines"

kooklife, 1574928314

"Jamie" channel bottom

Spuddups, 1574969942

I don't actually understand what the concept of the edge fish is. Are the rails super thin or something? Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed aye.

Island Bay, 1574970870

Me neither, but I think the idea is to reduce wetted surface, and therefore drag.

Ape Anonymous, 1574978573

From what I see, there it's not a reduction in wetted (planning) surface area, but a re-shaping of it. According to that marine engineer Simmons, aspect ratio is equal to Length/Width. If we increase the length relative to the width then the result is a more stable foil at higher top speeds. What I see with the edge board is basically, a boat.

mugofsunshine, 1574979460

I have so many questions re: Sideways and established shapers... Maybe a stand alone piece; but to start..
Do said shapers consider PSI to make boards of equal quality to the ones they charge a third more for?
If yes, what justifies a third more?
If no, what are the downfalls of buying from PSI?
I can't help thinking that they devalue their own product just by seeking to increase their margin/unit sales.

velocityjohnno, 1574986109

There was also the subshoot of 'hull's or 'displacement hulls' of the late 60's - I'd love to learn more about that - speaking of boats :)

Spuddups, 1574988410

Nice one, that’s what I thought. It’s a bit confusing naming a feature of the bottom of your board “edge” Thought I’d missed something.
As for me I’m all about flat bottoms. Pretty much the complete opposite theory.

Island Bay, 1574990207

There's a very distinct edge, Spud. Hard one.

memlasurf, 1575002118

Awesome boards Stu the plan shape remind me of the Larry Bertleman Town and Country twinnies back in the day. I thought you would have added the extra touch of asymmetry to them?

Fliplid, 1575012078

These photos give a pretty good idea of what the edge design is all about

http://mandalacustomshapes.com/boards/arctail-edge-boards/

memlasurf, 1575069878

Need a name for them how about the mullet?

ruckus, 1575142290

Two words; Terminal Velocity
Another two words; Terminal Swoopocity. The first flows into the second. Have a number of edge boards across a varied number of shapes with more on the way. If you wanna go fast get one under your feet. Current favourite is a 6’4 flextail edge. Melding of a few concepts. The thing is bananas and damn it’s quick but still a great deal to learn on it. Always dug Phil’s boards, seems to have nailed the blend of crossover from non edge board to edge board. Edges lines are spot on and super clean. Very nice examples. Hats off to the legend. Plenty of shaping wizards out there and Phil is one of them

surfstarved, 1575241065

Love the look of your boards farquarson. Where are you sourcing your paulownia from?

nozawaman, 1575271713

Dave I reckon we must have surfed together back in the day ????
Billy Rack had the. beach hire at Greenmount , Woody was pumping out the twin fins and living top of the hill at Rainbow behind the Cafe ( can't remember the name ) Healthy Bee was the go for a Vege Burger and banana smoothie after surfs . You could never get a wave when Rabbit was in the water . The inside section at Greenmount in front of the shed used to barrell insane at low tide .

velocityjohnno, 1575273100

Beautiful. Nice work.

velocityjohnno, 1575273220

These are intriguing. Do we have any links to people surfing them, especially single/2+1 versions?

udo, 1575273366

Bamboo Flute ?
And little Groyne Kirra was better than Maalaea.

nozawaman, 1575278093

Something like that , it was a vego place . Rabbit bought it later .

udo, 1575278481

Yep... Hare Krishna

nozawaman, 1575320066

We might also have travelled in similar circles udo ?
It was a very close knit community way back when .

udo, 1575622476

Edge board..wild fish twin.. ?
bobbers and sinkers insta

stunet, 1594087597

Phil's getting wilder with his edge cocktails, now adding a six channel spritzer into the mix.

simba, 1594107904

nice........

freeride76, 1594114727

wow.

udo, 1594115013

How does one work out fin placement on that ?
Or how many fins.

stunet, 1594115509

Fuck, who knows how many fins it should have?

Seven..?

freeride76, 1594116018

one, surely.

Craig, 1594116300

Wild!

udo, 1611093497

Any feedback on Phils wild edge channel bottom ?

udo, 1612077493

Is this board Plastic ?

https://www.instagram.com/p/nB5lSvEbXn/

batfink, 1612080373

Has his glasser seen that yet?

stunet, 1625797860

Matt Percy who shapes Third Rail Surfboards in WA - mainly single fin guns and bonzers, all majestic looking weapons - has dropped edges into some recent boards.

simba, 1625803517

Well Stu we are waiting with bad breath for your own personal review of your phil myers edge board......

thermalben, 1625803595

Never seen someone out their own hygienic condition in a forum post before. 

simba, 1625803685

first time for everything Ben