Jelly Flater, 1697191277

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zvfTEhORDMA


indo-dreaming, 1697191477

[quote=Jelly Flater]Oh id...
- you are a peanut ;)

You are also free to believe what you like...
Maybe consider you are often way off the mark.
(‘Okay sure the bible is not all fact’ haha)

- as you have proven here on a daily basis, your skill set doesn’t go much further than pretend expert on nothing... your specialty is commenting fervently on things you know actually nothing of, whilst continually showing a tendency to believe hearsay as fact and accept idiocy at face value...

Keep on keeping things ‘balanced’.
- you can’t be this much of a fuckwit... unless... you are ;););)

Here’s some jewish hip hop for you. One of my faves...

[/quote]

In all honesty while I don't agree with your views on this and you clearly think history starts in the 20th century, at least you are actually having a view and opinion on something, dare i say even showing some passion and the videos you are posting are actually relevant to the discussion for once.

BTW. It is a great song, happy to say i got to see them live at Livid in the 90s


indo-dreaming, 1697191612

[quote=sypkan]a cult's gonna cult...

https://twitter.com/EvanAKilgore/status/1711123691495416112[/quote]

I wonder if they really do know this, i remember in some video an interviewer pointing this out and the gay person honestly didn't know.

It was used in this video too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Pw_TxBe7w


Alana_a, 1697192127

[quote=indo-dreaming][quote=Optimist]Crikey , what a frenzy….I see jelly the Jew hater hard at it with his yarns.
There’d be no social systems and social justice we have now without Israel.
Killing the first born was when the Israelis were slaves in Egypt and pharaoh wanted a cull of the Israeli males so it was the Egyptians that killed them..
Moses escaped that cull and became the leader hence the exodus from Goshen in Egypt of 2 million people to what’s now Israel.
That curse turned back on the Egyptians with the plagues.
As I’ve said, Muslim Arab and Jew can’t mix any longer as Islam has seen an end to that..
Before Islam they got on reasonably well as they were descended from the same
Great grandfather Abraham. ..Ishmael the first Arab and son of Abraham and an Egyptian girl…he was a Bedouin and very skilled archer ….
as well as Isaac the tribal leader of the Jews and son of Sarah Abraham’s wife.
The Arabs were Bedouin and great traders, no real country but travelled a lot.
Isaac built the tribe of Abraham now Israel.
The God of Abraham is not the god of Mohammad…allah is a god of war and has no son or equal…
The God of Abraham has a son who is co- equal…we know Him as Jesus the Christ…The visible one..the son…the word…alpha and omega…the arm of God…I AM that I AM….Amongst a few other names.
Islam was created hundreds of years after Jesus …it is a modern religion with much copied from Jewish scripture then altered to suit them.
It’s aim is global conquest make no mistake.
Support little Israel stuck surrounded amongst a nest of Islamic hatred.
What’s wrong with just wanting to live.
The islamists have lots of countries to go live in …they should go live there.[/quote]

Jelly is clearly anti semitic, what happened last week has been described by many as Israels 9/11 the normal reaction for such an event is one of shock but also empathy.

But his reaction was to post some Free Palestinian rap video and hasn't stopped with all kinds of anti semitic tripe.

Anyway i think your view on things is interesting as if you are one of those Christians that know the bible back to front then you have a much better understanding of the region and its past/history.

Okay sure the Bible is not all fact but its text and stories are generally based on historical events and real places that provide a valuable incite into and the region its people and their movement and the thoughts of the people at the time.[/quote]


That’s not the only reason they’re calling it 9/11 Indo


velocityjohnno, 1697192667

Bonza regarding your post, the expansion and push back has been going on for a very long time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel

and an unconfirmed culinary legend

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croissant


flollo, 1697193094

[quote=sypkan]seems france has made a mistake or two...

https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1712554506557546897[/quote]

Yes, I follow the news from Europe and this is becoming a huge security issue. Europe is in the middle of another huge migrant crisis and now this war will add more fuel to the fire.


indo-dreaming, 1697193647

[quote=Alana_a][quote=indo-dreaming][quote=Optimist]Crikey , what a frenzy….I see jelly the Jew hater hard at it with his yarns.
There’d be no social systems and social justice we have now without Israel.
Killing the first born was when the Israelis were slaves in Egypt and pharaoh wanted a cull of the Israeli males so it was the Egyptians that killed them..
Moses escaped that cull and became the leader hence the exodus from Goshen in Egypt of 2 million people to what’s now Israel.
That curse turned back on the Egyptians with the plagues.
As I’ve said, Muslim Arab and Jew can’t mix any longer as Islam has seen an end to that..
Before Islam they got on reasonably well as they were descended from the same
Great grandfather Abraham. ..Ishmael the first Arab and son of Abraham and an Egyptian girl…he was a Bedouin and very skilled archer ….
as well as Isaac the tribal leader of the Jews and son of Sarah Abraham’s wife.
The Arabs were Bedouin and great traders, no real country but travelled a lot.
Isaac built the tribe of Abraham now Israel.
The God of Abraham is not the god of Mohammad…allah is a god of war and has no son or equal…
The God of Abraham has a son who is co- equal…we know Him as Jesus the Christ…The visible one..the son…the word…alpha and omega…the arm of God…I AM that I AM….Amongst a few other names.
Islam was created hundreds of years after Jesus …it is a modern religion with much copied from Jewish scripture then altered to suit them.
It’s aim is global conquest make no mistake.
Support little Israel stuck surrounded amongst a nest of Islamic hatred.
What’s wrong with just wanting to live.
The islamists have lots of countries to go live in …they should go live there.[/quote]

Jelly is clearly anti semitic, what happened last week has been described by many as Israels 9/11 the normal reaction for such an event is one of shock but also empathy.

But his reaction was to post some Free Palestinian rap video and hasn't stopped with all kinds of anti semitic tripe.

Anyway i think your view on things is interesting as if you are one of those Christians that know the bible back to front then you have a much better understanding of the region and its past/history.

Okay sure the Bible is not all fact but its text and stories are generally based on historical events and real places that provide a valuable incite into and the region its people and their movement and the thoughts of the people at the time.[/quote]


That’s not the only reason they’re calling it 9/11 Indo[/quote]

What do you mean?


basesix, 1697193660

[quote=indo-dreaming]
I wonder if they really do know this, i remember in some video an interviewer pointing this out and the gay person honestly didn't know.
It was used in this video too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Pw_TxBe7w[/quote]
great post @indo, an ironic take on those that feel their opinion is the point!!
Laughable, choosing sides, rather than taking time to think, ask, thank,
and feel humility within a complex subject..
'honestly, I'm starting to feel like I'm the victim here' adds a great irony to your post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8oH_3tfOHI


freeride76, 1697193734

As far as Israels response goes, they have made it very clear.

The one thing you cannot accuse the protagonists in the ME of is duplicity- they explicitly state in their charters and their words what they intend to do, and by and large they live by those words.
Hamas explicitly calls for the destruction of Israel by jihad in it's charter and lives by those words.

Now Israel is saying they will send a message of deterrence to not just Hamas but all of Israel's enemies.

We should probably believe that too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEbiWUMRiVM


indo-dreaming, 1697194181

[quote=basesix][quote=indo-dreaming]
I wonder if they really do know this, i remember in some video an interviewer pointing this out and the gay person honestly didn't know.
It was used in this video too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Pw_TxBe7w[/quote]
great post @indo, an ironic take on those that feel their opinion is the point!!
Laughable, choosing sides, rather than taking time to think, ask, thank,
and feel humility within a complex subject..
'honestly, I'm starting to feel like I'm the victim here' adds a great irony to your post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8oH_3tfOHI[/quote]

Another great song/album, i recently tried giving all the following albums a listen but hmmm didnt hear much there that grabbed me maybe only the odd song, it's weird how some bands can create such good albums then produce such bland music afterwards.


seeds, 1697194218

“You kind of lost me with the comment”
Haha. Jeez Louise. Another one through to the keeper.


southernraw, 1697194225

Yep @FR. Spot on.
I just wish we lived in a world where religion, for those that need it, was a secondary means of determining what should be innate knowledge of what is right and wrong, of not causing suffering to others and how to treat others with respect and kindness.
The common denominator is always religion and its primitive barbaric history being dragged into the present day.


indo-dreaming, 1697194313

I edited my comment, i get now what he was saying he was commenting on video not da meme.


indo-dreaming, 1697194717

[quote=basesix]he did a ray davies, diving into suburbia, but tim did it much better. have you read his book, 'detours'? amazingly executed thing.[/quote]

Nah i havent I did met him once though back stage after a You Am I/Custard gig, i was sitting alone on these steps with a beer while my mate was talking to someone else and he actually sat down next to me and offered me a glass of his read wine that he had just opened, his persona in public often seems a bit arrogant but he was actually a real nice friendly guy, it was just after Hi-Fi Way was released.


basesix, 1697194770

@indo, he did a ray davies, diving into suburbia, but tim did it much better. have you read his book, 'detours'? amazingly realised thing.


flollo, 1697195204

[quote=southernraw]Yep @FR. Spot on.
I just wish we lived in a world where religion, for those that need it, was a secondary means of determining what should be innate knowledge of what is right and wrong, of not causing suffering to others and how to treat others with respect and kindness.
The common denominator is always religion and its primitive barbaric history being dragged into the present day.[/quote]

Quran is pretty clear on what to do in this situation. Fundamentalists take this stuff seriously:

The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,


GuySmiley, 1697195331

Move over Henry Kissinger @info from SN is on the job


bonza, 1697195501

[quote=velocityjohnno]Bonza regarding your post, the expansion and push back has been going on for a very long time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel

and an unconfirmed culinary legend

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croissant[/quote]

Thanks VJ. Always enjoy your historical context.

I appreciate my insight is less than limited into this issue. I do have this on my bookshelf https://www.amazon.com.au/Great-Arab-Conquests-Spread-Changed/dp/0753823896/ref=asc_df_0753823896/?tag=googleshopmob-22&linkCode=df0&hvadid=341745506355&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=18333234956817292913&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9072292&hvtargid=pla-565497449198&psc=1


Jelly Flater, 1697195730

We certainly do live in the lucky country.
- and no matter the outcome of tomorrow, would like to hope aussies don’t ever succumb to this level of hatred and self destruction…

The only thing united are the combined states of fury. Weird that the ol ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’ philosophy is pretty much done and dusted… along with ‘love thy neighbour’.

Has american culture and ideology simply proved that one’s capacity for good is mirrored by the capacity to do bad in equal measure ?

“You can bomb the world to pieces, but you can’t bomb it into peace”.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LHqUO5J2L6M


bonza, 1697196143

Hatred is people marching and yelling “gas the Jews” at the opera house several nights ago.



southernraw, 1697196614

Jeeez hows the rabid mob with pitchforks in that vid JF
Mob mentality, them against us. Some real Rhodes scholars and possible Nobel peace prize recipients there.
It seems to be the way of the world these days, or maybe it always has been and it's just more observable with social media now.


Jelly Flater, 1697196723

Yep sr…

And bonza, that’s farked.
- maybe we’re not so lucky after all… or maybe they weren’t actually aussie ;)

But still, maybe we dodged a bullet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberley_Plan


Jelly Flater, 1697198156

Interlude

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WiQnV_tKi40


bonza, 1697199297

Not sure what you are insinuating jelly if anything. The colony has always attempted to be fair and reasonable in distributing our fear and intolerance.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/20thcentury-terrorists-the-bizarre-story-of-two-jihadis-in-the-australian-outback-10069702.html

Maybe you think that I or other Australians should remain mute, Not pass judgement on others who support god bothering murdering rapist terrorist scum because in the past our ancestors were racist or implemented what we now know as racist policies?

Also did you notice that previous video you posted had the jews interviewed conveniently standing clearly behind a Pfizer signage.

Coincidence? Maybe Alana can spell it out for us.


Jelly Flater, 1697200279

That was a great story Bonza, aussie history has a bit of everything…
- and yes I did notice the pfizer coincidence.

Maybe alana can serve a sermon from the mount ;)


seeds, 1697201062

Bonza both sides are despicable. JF posted plenty of Jewish bad behavior vids. The West created this modern mess. What about the Akbah? People just gunna lay down. The West create’s it’s enemies.


seeds, 1697203693

Oops obviously..Nakba.


tubeshooter, 1697220233

This reporter asks the hard questions of both sides as to the atrocities being committed against civilians.



tubeshooter, 1697220525

Either way, it's going to be a shit fight.






Supafreak, 1697220848

It’s going to be a shit fight alright with this type of mindset. https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1712853782751814018?s=46&t=5RczxwAfzXe7hKRZb3LMIA


indo-dreaming, 1697229842

[quote=bonza]Hatred is people marching and yelling “gas the Jews” at the opera house several nights ago.[/quote]

That was full on and it got press and attention internationally, its such a hard one on how to deal with these sorts of things and difference's of opinion, on one hand people should be able to have a view and go public at a rally, but then on the flipside people like Jews or Muslims should also be able to feel safe to leave their home.

Wanna be Nazis suck but id be far more worried about people on the street chanting "gas the jews" than some losers doing silly Nazi salutes.


Supafreak, 1697230551

Sorry wrong thread


Alana_a, 1697230698

[quote=Jelly Flater]That was a great story Bonza, aussie history has a bit of everything…
- and yes I did notice the pfizer coincidence.

I didn’t watch it but it sounds like Pfizer are taking a stand on what’s right and wrong aye? That’s a bit cheeky coming from those pricks!
It’s hard to get through all of the vids everybody are posting. They’re all great ( not the subject matter), Swellnet’s great ( for all it’s subject matter)
How’s everyone’s screen time going?

Blowins first post in this thread cracks me up. Blowin knows.

Maybe alana can serve a sermon from the mount ;)[/quote]


velocityjohnno, 1697231731

Screen time - too much in evenings trying to catch up (mix of trolly immature humour vids too)

Did find this:

https://mwi.westpoint.edu/the-eight-rules-of-urban-warfare-and-why-we-must-work-to-change-them/

It is hard to keep up with everyone's good links - if you don't have time for this link, just scroll and takeaway the 8 points. Sounds impossible. I can't believe they look like they will go in, wouldn't wish this on anyone. In morning news the Israelis gave the hospital 2 hours to leave, and before this Hamas has advised civilians to stay in place.


udo, 1697232682

https://youtu.be/tJ260F6nHBo?si=nm20IkuoXY3WsVQK


bonza, 1697233159

[quote=Alana_a][quote=Jelly Flater]That was a great story Bonza, aussie history has a bit of everything…
- and yes I did notice the pfizer coincidence.

I didn’t watch it but it sounds like Pfizer are taking a stand on what’s right and wrong aye? That’s a bit cheeky coming from those pricks!
It’s hard to get through all of the vids everybody are posting. They’re all great ( not the subject matter), Swellnet’s great ( for all it’s subject matter)
How’s everyone’s screen time going?

Blowins first post in this thread cracks me up. Blowin knows.

Maybe alana can serve a sermon from the mount ;)[/quote][/quote]

Unless I was way off the mark Alana and if so I apologise but your original comment was another attempt to fuel the anti Semitic hatred conspiracy involvement of Jews behind 911.

Then jelly posted a link with angry Jews demonstrating with clear signs of Pfizer in the background which if you are familar with conspiracies is another one that attempts to link Jews behind the Covid-19 pandemic and vaccines.

Anyway apologies if I’m off track. Let’s be extra kind today. Community needs it.


Jelly Flater, 1697233491

I agree. Pls headbang kindly and with consideration ;)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ODNxy3YOPU&pp=ygUXcmVmdXNlIHJlc2lzdCBzZXB1bHR1cmE%3D


Alana_a, 1697235179

[quote=bonza][quote=Alana_a][quote=Jelly Flater]That was a great story Bonza, aussie history has a bit of everything…
- and yes I did notice the pfizer coincidence.

I didn’t watch it but it sounds like Pfizer are taking a stand on what’s right and wrong aye? That’s a bit cheeky coming from those pricks!
It’s hard to get through all of the vids everybody are posting. They’re all great ( not the subject matter), Swellnet’s great ( for all it’s subject matter)
How’s everyone’s screen time going?

Blowins first post in this thread cracks me up. Blowin knows.

Maybe alana can serve a sermon from the mount ;)[/quote][/quote]

Unless I was way off the mark Alana and if so I apologise but your original comment was another attempt to fuel the anti Semitic hatred conspiracy involvement of Jews behind 911.

Then jelly posted a link with angry Jews demonstrating with clear signs of Pfizer in the background which if you are familar with conspiracies is another one that attempts to link Jews behind the Covid-19 pandemic and vaccines.

Anyway apologies if I’m off track. Let’s be extra kind today. Community needs it.[/quote]

Yeah sorry, no there wasn’t any intention to link the Jews with 9/11 or Pfizer
There are some theories out there that the 9/11 was a inside job and there are some theories out there that the original rocket job a few days ago was not a surprise attack at all. Both have consequences and both would eventually favour the ‘attacked’
Like I said , just theories, not mine but they’re out there.


Alana_a, 1697236043

It’s hard to know what to trust these days. Judging off udo ‘s vid above, we can’t even trust humanity. Farrrk me. And the sun comes up.
Time for an onshore surf.


velocityjohnno, 1697241941

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-launches-first-localized-raids-into-gaza-ahead-of-expected-ground-invasion/


andy-mac, 1697244183

Dr Gabor Mate'

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N6_GDDa4bmI


soggydog, 1697244749

[quote=seeds]Oops obviously..Nakba.[/quote]

Wasn’t Hamas formed in’88 in response to Nakba. Which was an ethnic cleansing exercise by the Israeli’s.

Not taking sides just discovering a few of the back stories. This one’s best observed from the sidelines..


indo-dreaming, 1697245077

[quote=velocityjohnno]Screen time - too much in evenings trying to catch up (mix of trolly immature humour vids too)

Did find this:

https://mwi.westpoint.edu/the-eight-rules-of-urban-warfare-and-why-we-must-work-to-change-them/

It is hard to keep up with everyone's good links - if you don't have time for this link, just scroll and takeaway the 8 points. Sounds impossible. I can't believe they look like they will go in, wouldn't wish this on anyone. In morning news the Israelis gave the hospital 2 hours to leave, and before this Hamas has advised civilians to stay in place.[/quote]

Thats what i thought when i heard about the ground troops going in, it kind of seems like Israel would be at a huge disadvantage this article just confirms that.


seeds, 1697245405

That’s a good watch andy-mac
as ye sow, so shall ye reap
Wonder if the recently resurrected (forums) biblical boofhead will watch it.

Edit. Hey Soggy have a watch of andy-macs clip. Explanation in there plus a whole lot more


soggydog, 1697245840

[quote=bonza][quote=Alana_a][quote=Jelly Flater]That was a great story Bonza, aussie history has a bit of everything…
- and yes I did notice the pfizer coincidence.

I didn’t watch it but it sounds like Pfizer are taking a stand on what’s right and wrong aye? That’s a bit cheeky coming from those pricks!
It’s hard to get through all of the vids everybody are posting. They’re all great ( not the subject matter), Swellnet’s great ( for all it’s subject matter)
How’s everyone’s screen time going?

Blowins first post in this thread cracks me up. Blowin knows.

Maybe alana can serve a sermon from the mount ;)[/quote][/quote]

Unless I was way off the mark Alana and if so I apologise but your original comment was another attempt to fuel the anti Semitic hatred conspiracy involvement of Jews behind 911.

Then jelly posted a link with angry Jews demonstrating with clear signs of Pfizer in the background which if you are familar with conspiracies is another one that attempts to link Jews behind the Covid-19 pandemic and vaccines.

Anyway apologies if I’m off track. Let’s be extra kind today. Community needs it.[/quote]

I’m pretty sure the fact they where in front of the Pfizer building is a coincidence.



andy-mac, 1697246049

[quote=seeds]That’s a good watch andy-mac
as ye sow, so shall ye reap
Wonder if the recently resurrected (forums) biblical boofhead will watch it.

Edit. Hey Soggy have a watch of andy-macs clip. Explanation in there plus a whole lot more[/quote]

Found the video to be very moving.
Dr Gabor a very deep thinker and sensitive compassionate human.
Such a sad tragic situation from any angle you view it.


seeds, 1697246282

I feel the same andy-mac


soggydog, 1697246954

Just watched the video andy-Mac posted.
Worth a watch for everyone.


basesix, 1697247152

+ 1 re andy-mac vid^^


soggydog, 1697248551

I’d like to know if Bonza, ID and Opti watched the Gabor Mate clip above and weather it has had any influence over how they consider the conflict.

Wonder if Opti mite temper his ultra religious pomposity for an understanding humanitarian take on the current events.

Indo reconsider some of the comments he made on who became the “Nazi’s”

And Bonza…. sorry mate can’t remember what angry shit you wrote.

Feel free to respond gents.


soggydog, 1697249630

[quote=Jelly Flater]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zvfTEhORDMA[/quote]

Wonder how this affects opti’s dogma?


seeds, 1697250459

Yes soggydog JF has the gear you need. Shame Indo never watches them. Dogma, dogmatic etc.
Dr Gabor Mates vid on addiction is also very good. Trauma one good also. Maybe some relevance to our FNP experience generationally.


seeds, 1697251467

Dogmatic. Idiotic.


indo-dreaming, 1697251874

I watched it, basically a Jew with too much heart for his own good.

But what does it change? He doesn't offer up solution's?

What do you expect Israel and Jews to do?

The reality is the Jews are the the true indigenous people who then lost control of their land, and are only reclaiming what was theirs.

The obvious common sense solution is a two state solution and two state solutions have been thrown up in the past more than once but always rejected by Palestines because they don't want to share they want it all, so as a result they end up with far less now than they otherwise would.

Then they are both left having to live with each other (in Israel) and as neighbors.

The problem is the radical Palestine arabs like Hamas will never be happy until every Jew is either gone or dead (from the land to the sea) and every bit of land be it Israel, West Bank, Gaza is theirs so Israelis have to live with the risk of rockets every day, even if they do their best with the dome to prevent them. (and in normal times not attack unless needed)

Then occasionally you get major attacks where Israel have no choice to fight back, and this time it seems like Israels patience has been broken and want to end it for good with Gaza.

You cant blame Israel they have agreed to two state solution's, i wouldn't be surprised if they regain control of Gaza after pretty much flattening it as if they dont it will all just happen again and again and again.

And then of course no matter what happens with Gaza they will always have to live with the risk of attacks from other borders.

BTW. regard to seeds comment in regard to FNP trauma and intergenerational trauma relating to this, the Jews have experienced more persecution and trauma then pretty much any group in the world, but it hasn't magically made them have the issues FNP have, actually quite the opposite Jewish people are one of the most successful groups of people in the world.


indo-dreaming, 1697251948

@ Seeds

Please tell me what you think the Jews/Israeli's should do?


seeds, 1697252034

Pretty simple mate. Stop being racist CUNTS.


seeds, 1697252065

Front page bump


basesix, 1697252429

just to bump that, seeds!
thank you @indo for your wise, considered summary.
Basically, a COLOSSAL nuclear bomb went off in the world,
bringing the amazing migration period (400s) to an end,
consolidating trade, real estate, wealth, power, control,
through the great monotheisms being created, negotiated and chosen
from 600 - 1100; slow-burn for the biggest ideological bomb in human history.
Trying to make sense of a bomb's carnage and its effects at the epicentre?
And what it means to the people that live there? Nah. It will never happen.
It is a forever topic, hope people can find deeper meaning in it all.


soggydog, 1697252782

[quote=indo-dreaming]I watched it, basically a Jew with too much heart for his own good.

But what does it change? He doesn't offer up solution's?

What do you expect Israel and Jews to do?

The reality is the Jews are the the true indigenous people who then lost control of their land, and are only reclaiming what was theirs.

The obvious common sense solution is a two state solution and two state solutions have been thrown up in the past more than once but always rejected by Palestines because they don't want to share they want it all, so as a result they end up with far less now than they otherwise would.

Then they are both left having to live with each other (in Israel) and as neighbors.

The problem is the radical Palestine arabs like Hamas will never be happy until every Jew is either gone or dead (from the land to the sea) and every bit of land be it Israel, West Bank, Gaza is theirs so Israelis have to live with the risk of rockets every day, even if they do their best with the dome to prevent them. (and in normal times not attack unless needed)

Then occasionally you get major attacks where Israel have no choice to fight back, and this time it seems like Israels patience has been broken and want to end it for good with Gaza.

You cant blame Israel they have agreed to two state solution's, i wouldn't be surprised if they regain control of Gaza after pretty much flattening it as if they dont it will all just happen again and again and again.

And then of course no matter what happens with Gaza they will always have to live with the risk of attacks from other borders.

BTW. regard to seeds comment in regard to FNP trauma and intergenerational trauma relating to this, the Jews have experienced more persecution and trauma then pretty much any group in the world, but it hasn't magically made them have the issues FNP have, actually quite the opposite Jewish people are one of the most successful groups of people in the world.[/quote]

So the Nakba was justified, did you miss the part of Gabors video where he stated they’re all descendants of the original inhabitants. Some remained Jewish and others converted to Islam. Yet all indigenous to the land.
I’m not sure you really watched Indo. If you did it was with underlying prejudice.

And who ended up becoming the Nazi’s.


seeds, 1697252862

The ones we empowered


indo-dreaming, 1697253237

@ seeds

Honestly please try to answer?

I dont know about others but i cant see a solution other than the two state solution but you cant force one party into it if they dont want it.

And you also realistically cant expect Israel to just absorb attacks forever especially large ones with large numbers of civilians kidnapped there has to become a time when you say enough is enough.

Of course the real victims in it all of are the innocent people on both sides, many of which most likely dont agree with those in power or those carrying out attacks and just happen to be born in the wrong place, 100% my heart goes out to those people especially those Palestines in Gaza, the very best case scenario for many will be if they can flee alive and be refugees worst case dead.


seeds, 1697253605

I just gave you the answer. It really is that simple when you break it down.


indo-dreaming, 1697253905

@soggydog

Yeah in a sense the Palestines many of them (many have ancestry going back elsewhere too) are also indigenous, but there was never a Palestine identity or Islam originally

And yeah you can look back and blame either side for this or that, all that is pretty much irrelevant, what's relevant is now and to the future is what each party is willing to do to find a solution.

Its clear one part wants a solution and ideally get on, the other has no interest in a solution that suits both sides and just wants to get rid of the other.

If you cant see that well i dont know what to say, and that influence isn't likely to be one from the people as a culture but more one from the religious cultural aspect from radical islam and inflamed by others like Iran.


andy-mac, 1697254039

[quote=indo-dreaming]I watched it, basically a Jew with too much heart for his own good.

But what does it change? He doesn't offer up solution's?

What do you expect Israel and Jews to do?

The reality is the Jews are the the true indigenous people who then lost control of their land, and are only reclaiming what was theirs.

The obvious common sense solution is a two state solution and two state solutions have been thrown up in the past more than once but always rejected by Palestines because they don't want to share they want it all, so as a result they end up with far less now than they otherwise would.

Then they are both left having to live with each other (in Israel) and as neighbors.

The problem is the radical Palestine arabs like Hamas will never be happy until every Jew is either gone or dead (from the land to the sea) and every bit of land be it Israel, West Bank, Gaza is theirs so Israelis have to live with the risk of rockets every day, even if they do their best with the dome to prevent them. (and in normal times not attack unless needed)

Then occasionally you get major attacks where Israel have no choice to fight back, and this time it seems like Israels patience has been broken and want to end it for good with Gaza.

You cant blame Israel they have agreed to two state solution's, i wouldn't be surprised if they regain control of Gaza after pretty much flattening it as if they dont it will all just happen again and again and again.

And then of course no matter what happens with Gaza they will always have to live with the risk of attacks from other borders.

BTW. regard to seeds comment in regard to FNP trauma and intergenerational trauma relating to this, the Jews have experienced more persecution and trauma then pretty much any group in the world, but it hasn't magically made them have the issues FNP have, actually quite the opposite Jewish people are one of the most successful groups of people in the world.[/quote]

You really haven't thought it through ey.
How can a new arrival from Russia who is of Jewish faith claim to be indigenous to a land their parents, grandparents going back generations never knew. Yet a Palestinian whose whole family history is tied to this particular land be an outcast?
This is an example of what's been happening.
The 2 state solution was never fair, and used as a cover for further land grabs by Israel. This is not opinion but documented fact, the settlements are illegal under international law.
What are you now suggesting, that Israel should just commit total genocide?
Do some reading and you'll find there are actually more extreme groups that Hamas waiting in the wings. Guess Israel and USA should have dealt with PLO when they had the chance.
Now Islam extremists are the norm.




indo-dreaming, 1697254041

[quote=seeds]I just gave you the answer. It really is that simple when you break it down.[/quote]

Thats not an answer.

So

Where should Palestine arabs live and rule?

Where should Israeli Jews live and rule?


soggydog, 1697254120

Flee to where, a foreign country as refugees, while settlers, like the the Jewish bloke from Melbourne claims a tenuous ancestral connection whilst being an Australian born citizen. Ousts people from their homes with the full backing of the Israeli state and the might of the IDF.

You three want to overlook a lot of the historical facts. And you want to ask what thE Israeli’s should do, well what the fuck do you think the Palestinian population should do. While some cunt from Melbourne lays claim to your house. The unfounded fear of that very proposition whipped a few of you to vote No to FNP. Fark!


basesix, 1697254241

maybe get them all to come and live with and learn from indigenous australians for 6 months, see what tens of thousands of years of a connection to a place really is, till they see there is an altogether different way. Charge them about 20 billion. Cheap solution.


seeds, 1697254346

Live and rule? Fuck me! Right where they are now and always have been. Jointly, multiculturally; everyone’s finger in the pie of prosperity.


andy-mac, 1697254448

[quote=soggydog]Flee to where, a foreign country as refugees, while settlers, like the the Jewish bloke from Melbourne claims a tenuous ancestral connection whilst being an Australian born citizen. Ousts people from their homes with the full backing of the Israeli state and the might of the IDF.

You three want to overlook a lot of the historical facts. And you want to ask what thE Israeli’s should do, well what the fuck do you think the Palestinian population should do. While some cunt from Melbourne lays claim to your house. The unfounded fear of that very proposition whipped a few of you to vote No to FNP. Fark![/quote]

As mentioned I worked with that bloke years ago.
Absolute arsehole....


velocityjohnno, 1697254705

Dr Gabor's video is informed from experience and comes from the heart. What do you do in that situation? He suggests that some Palestinians probably descend from the original Judeans the Romans tried to wipe out, which is such a sad irony. Their dispossession is enormous.
Historically the Palestinians have agitated in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt when there as well; and then add the conquesting nature of radical Islam which has plenty of evidence - and when weighing up with the brutality of the occupation I can't even balance the scales to find righteous/non righteous, let alone settle a land dispute.


velocityjohnno, 1697254931

Yeah and looking at this and the pure hatred and bloodshed, let's find an incorporation here if we can. No matter what happens/results in Oz today.


basesix, 1697255091

[quote=velocityjohnno]Dr Gabor's video is informed from experience and comes from the heart. What do you do in that situation? He suggests that some Palestinians probably descend from the original Judeans the Romans tried to wipe out, which is such a sad irony. Their dispossession is enormous.
Historically the Palestinians have agitated in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt when there as well; and then add the conquesting nature of radical Islam which has plenty of evidence - and when weighing up with the brutality of the occupation I can't even balance the scales to find righteous/non righteous, let alone settle a land dispute.[/quote]
quite right vj, almost belongs on the voice thread. our issue is so ideologically simple by comparison.


velocityjohnno, 1697255693

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yID-vH2RLRQ


bonza, 1697260820

Whataboutism everywhere.

I voted yes soggy. And pretty sure i only commented once on that thread. My “angry shit” lol.


indo-dreaming, 1697261216

[quote=soggydog][quote=indo-dreaming]I watched it, basically a Jew with too much heart for his own good.

But what does it change? He doesn't offer up solution's?

What do you expect Israel and Jews to do?

The reality is the Jews are the the true indigenous people who then lost control of their land, and are only reclaiming what was theirs.

The obvious common sense solution is a two state solution and two state solutions have been thrown up in the past more than once but always rejected by Palestines because they don't want to share they want it all, so as a result they end up with far less now than they otherwise would.

Then they are both left having to live with each other (in Israel) and as neighbors.

The problem is the radical Palestine arabs like Hamas will never be happy until every Jew is either gone or dead (from the land to the sea) and every bit of land be it Israel, West Bank, Gaza is theirs so Israelis have to live with the risk of rockets every day, even if they do their best with the dome to prevent them. (and in normal times not attack unless needed)

Then occasionally you get major attacks where Israel have no choice to fight back, and this time it seems like Israels patience has been broken and want to end it for good with Gaza.

You cant blame Israel they have agreed to two state solution's, i wouldn't be surprised if they regain control of Gaza after pretty much flattening it as if they dont it will all just happen again and again and again.

And then of course no matter what happens with Gaza they will always have to live with the risk of attacks from other borders.

BTW. regard to seeds comment in regard to FNP trauma and intergenerational trauma relating to this, the Jews have experienced more persecution and trauma then pretty much any group in the world, but it hasn't magically made them have the issues FNP have, actually quite the opposite Jewish people are one of the most successful groups of people in the world.[/quote]

So the Nakba was justified, did you miss the part of Gabors video where he stated they’re all descendants of the original inhabitants. Some remained Jewish and others converted to Islam. Yet all indigenous to the land.
I’m not sure you really watched Indo. If you did it was with underlying prejudice.

And who ended up becoming the Nazi’s.[/quote]

Ive listened to a few different podcast recently on the history including by historian's they all seem to have slightly different twist and focus on different aspects and obviously its hard to explain thousands of years of history in even an hour, but i think most would disagree that all Palestines originate from original Israel Jews, some have said some original Jews remained some converted with the introduction of Islam, but generally speaking they came from other regions/countries much of the land was apparently claimed and owned by the very rich of other countries and often leased to farmers.

I have no idea how many Christians and Jews remained in the area or even when the Druze aspect was thrown in the mix, but Jerusalem is pretty much the most import place in the word for them all.

BTW. Im not claiming to know it all or understand it all only pointing out what others have said.


indo-dreaming, 1697261650

[quote=seeds]Live and rule? Fuck me! Right where they are now and always have been. Jointly, multiculturally; everyone’s finger in the pie of prosperity.[/quote]

Sorry its just not realistic even if the 90%* of people on both sides want that the 10%* on one side will ensure that never happens, and the 10% are the ones with the more radical views, there is literally some saying that translates to "from the land to the sea", which literally means seeing every Jew gone or dead from the land to the sea, thats the end goal.

You are dealing with crazy ideologies that are a mix of a radical aspects of Islam and radical nationalism.

And then add to that you have others with just as crazy ideologies in places like Iran adding even more fuel to things and making things possible with training and funding of weapons etc

*Percentage's are unknown and just an example only.

Again not claiming to know it all, but i still understand this aspect and what drives things.


frog, 1697264180

Etarip, what do you reckon?

Can you unravel the Gordian Knot of the Middle East and the likely future events?

Hamas is bad is the easy bit.....


soggydog, 1697264223

[quote=bonza]Whataboutism everywhere.

I voted yes soggy. And pretty sure i only commented once on that thread. My “angry shit” lol.[/quote]

Sorry mate, didn’t mean to interpret your posts as angry. Actually you made a call for kindness. Very fitting call for the current times.


bonza, 1697264522

No worries soggy. All the best mate


Pop Down, 1697264878

frog - That Knot is an excellent analogy ,
Seems like the Israeli's have decided to do what Alexander the Great did when confronted by it .Dispose of it quickly rather unravel the unravelable .


indo-dreaming, 1697269189

More like a ball of tangled fishing line than a knot.


indo-dreaming, 1697269212

.


indo-dreaming, 1697269239

Damn triple post somehow.


Jelly Flater, 1697269593

‘hasbara’

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7eHQKJTnBoY


Jelly Flater, 1697269737

‘The torah says we shalt not kill… we shalt not steal…’
- rabbi el perm ;)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U2H-F0HVKDY


bonza, 1697282893

https://www.thefp.com/p/young-jews-brace-for-a-day-of-global-jihad?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=260347&post_id=137916387&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=2xbjf&utm_medium=email


gsco, 1697322518

and the same thing motivating the Yes campaign of The Voice is also very much motivating the strong anti-Israel protests and Hamas celebrations and support currently taking place across the west: western marxism inspired anti-west hate, critical race theory, postcolonial ideology, anti-occupier ideology and indigeneity ideology.

It's also why the lgbtqia+ community is having a bizarre moment of confusion and contradiction by supporting Islamic terrorists: their socialist critical race theory fuelled anti-occupier anti-oppressor ideology impels them to support it.

There are actually people on this planet who have such an ignorance to history that they think that Israel is some kind of militant, colonial or imperial occupier regime in the region that is oppressing, ethnically cleansing and stealing the lands of the true indigenous rightful owners and original inhabitants of the land.

It's completely disgusting.

https://twitter.com/simonmontefiore/status/1713181977556263303

https://twitter.com/JeffFynnPaul/status/1713121805408329830

https://twitter.com/simonmontefiore/status/1713179121075835388

https://twitter.com/nfergus/status/1713185275416125946

https://twitter.com/beinlibertarian/status/1713177714180366776

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1713172445073391756


indo-dreaming, 1697322925

Channel 9 are doing some real good coverage with these videos

Gee's its getting crazy over there, we are so lucky to live in a country like Australia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THTb102hK8Y


udo, 1697323468

Uncensored from U-tube
https://youtu.be/lAHyvTE1BOE?si=VUacwwnS_jw7Yar8


indo-dreaming, 1697324095

Pretty crazy we can watch this stuff these days on our PC or phones, it almost doesn't seem real like its a movie or computer game.

Hard to see it all exactly but you think they are shooting at guys in scuba gear or without?


Jelly Flater, 1697324459

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FkxJd88xkBU

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8RVoPZPKxLY


velocityjohnno, 1697324775

gsco you've accurately outlined the dominant ideology of the university humanities departments above. I have noticed it's similarity to Soviet cold war ideologies used to disrupt and overthrow targeted democracies during that time.


basesix, 1697325358

[quote=indo-dreaming]Pretty crazy we can watch this stuff these days on our PC or phones, it almost doesn't seem real like its a movie or computer game.
[/quote]
Impressive obs @indo, it is important we think exactly what you are saying, while watching this stuff, lest we become blank and passive to it. Like all news, but especially this. This shit should fuck you up a little bit, like it does goofy, if you are going to spend time with it. So, small, real, engaged doses.


views from the cockpit, 1697326077

Religion! (War)
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing...


indo-dreaming, 1697326529

[quote=basesix][quote=indo-dreaming]Pretty crazy we can watch this stuff these days on our PC or phones, it almost doesn't seem real like its a movie or computer game.
[/quote]
Impressive obs @indo, it is important we think exactly what you are saying, while watching this stuff, lest we become blank and passive to it. Like all news, but especially this. This shit should fuck you up a little bit, like it does goofy, if you are going to spend time with it. So, small, real, engaged doses.[/quote]

Yeah when watching that kind of stuff its important to remember it is real and real people, i think watching footage like the channel 9 video helps people remember this, its irrelevant if you tend to support one side or the other politically or in theory or none at all, i think its important to actually see what the people on each side are going through and to remember that most are just victims of it all and in a sad sense unlucky to be born where they have, and on the flipside we all somehow got lucky and got born in a country that is relatively peaceful with much opportunity which we should never forget.


gsco, 1697329299

[quote=velocityjohnno]gsco you've accurately outlined the dominant ideology of the university humanities departments above. I have noticed it's similarity to Soviet cold war ideologies used to disrupt and overthrow targeted democracies during that time.[/quote]
It’s very much the same ideologies and information war that China is currently using to displace the west in and win over the global south and the pacific nations right at this very moment.


velocityjohnno, 1697333590

Yes, and in this op-ed (mentioned before) the young Jewish student and social justice activist learns what it's like having the social justice mob turned on you, and comes out sounding like a nationalist:

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/what-i-learned-at-harvard/


frog, 1697334122

Worth a listen. Zeihan points out that Hamas has factions and not all would have even known about the radical group's plans. His description of Israel's politics does little to build confidence in good decision making going forward.

The US can't fix it.

https://youtu.be/WxXJOqqNFVM?feature=shared


Jelly Flater, 1697335283

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SyNfy4iwP0c


velocityjohnno, 1697335939

5:20 in the Zeihan (sounds like Zion) video - the people protected from taxes, get paid to have kids, don't have to serve in military: if they study the religion. What could possibly go wrong with that one lol


udo, 1697340117

https://www.instagram.com/p/CyY_nkzs0nB/?hl=en


Jelly Flater, 1697340793

…..^^wmd style ‘hasbara’


Jelly Flater, 1697341716

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qxQNk81ELbI


Optimist, 1697348660

Iran now saying they will intervene if Israel goes into Gaza…..not bad eh…they start the war using Hamas and now want to be the heroes …
…team Jelly will be pleased anyway….bring on another bullshitting you tube video….there’s one for every occasion….Jelly’s got a quiver full of em…
...hopefully one day an enclave of Islamic fundamentalists will buy the house next door to Jelly’s house so they can hang out together ….no one would deserve it more.


indo-dreaming, 1697348951

In regard to all these Aljazeera media links & videos, It should be noted its always been considered very bias in favour of middle east islam and even has a history of some very questionable links and support including of known terrorist .

Its head quarters was even bombed by Israel a few years back (they gave them a few hours to get out)

Id take any of their view's with a huge grain of salt in the same way others would with any of the Israel main stream media news companies.


andy-mac, 1697351259

[quote=indo-dreaming]In regard to all these Aljazeera media links & videos, It should be noted its always been considered very bias in favour of middle east islam and even has a history of some very questionable links and support including of known terrorist .

Its head quarters was even bombed by Israel a few years back (they gave them a few hours to get out)

Id take any of their view's with a huge grain of salt in the same way others would with any of the Israel main stream media news companies.[/quote]

But Sky news on the other hand.

Recommend watching 'Ordinary Men' on Netflix. Very heavy but people need to understand situations that lead to mass murder.
The language being thrown around in this latest ME escalation from both sides is terrifying.
Trying to understand the why to stop killings happening rather than just taking sides should be priority.
No winners in this situation...




indo-dreaming, 1697352372

Yeah the comparison to Sky news is a good one, its basically a middle east Sky news for muslims, fine if you then check out some Israel news channel, so you then can join the two half's and get the full picture.


Jelly Flater, 1697353049

Haha flopti… lawd of the flopti verse ;);)
- spinning yarns again…
Imagine some fella moving next door to you and spouting shit like this :

‘ There are actually 3 heavens in translation, the sky above is the first, space is the second and planet Heaven the third. ( paul talked about the third heaven) You get to planet heaven after your spirit leaves your body. When you die your spirit descends into the heart of the earth and waits. Then if approved by God you are lifted up and go through the tunnel which is probably like a wormhole in Sci Fi. If unapproved you will wait for judgement but there is no time there so you wouldn't know if you've been there a year or a hundred years. At the end of the tunnel you will be greeted by The Christ Himself in His glorified form and put on planet Heaven, a very beautiful and physical place and in your brand new physical body. Earth will also be renewed after the great tribulation so for a time there will still be two seperate habitations and eventually just one.
It is comforting to know that on my death, my heavenly father will still look after me and guide my spirit or "actual person" through the maze of death and to the renewed and promised life.
Also, If anyone is interested in the time of the end and the mark of the beast etc. I think I can answer that for you, as I have a theory which has been playing out exactly correct over the last few years. ‘

- flopti (Tues 29 dec 2020)

Ummm… Sure ;) whatever u reckon ay ;);)


soggydog, 1697353592

[quote=Optimist]Iran now saying they will intervene if Israel goes into Gaza…..not bad eh…they start the war using Hamas and now want to be the heroes …
…team Jelly will be pleased anyway….bring on another bullshitting you tube video….there’s one for every occasion….Jelly’s got a quiver full of em…
...hopefully one day an enclave of Islamic fundamentalists will buy the house next door to Jelly’s house so they can hang out together ….no one would deserve it more.[/quote]

Did you see the video of Muslims and Christians standing together in solidarity due to the draconian policies of Israel. How’d you like your church taxed, back dated to occupation.
Don’t be one eyed Opti, there is poor behaviour on both sides. And besides, aren’t you supposed to love thy neighbour.


Optimist, 1697353707

Thanks for re posting an old post….I was deep in thought during that period.
Unfortunately for you jelly ….you will never see heaven ….you have made your choice…. And that’s a real shame…..for God loves all His children but can’t include those that hate Him….His new system just wouldn’t work…


Fliplid, 1697354124

“Trying to understand the why to stop killings happening rather than just taking sides should be priority.”

It’s deranged to think just because someone would want to prevent innocent civilians being killed or maimed that they are somehow an apologist for a despicable ideology, but here we are


Jelly Flater, 1697354125

I’ve never professed to hating god flopti.
- not sure why u insist on making shit up ;)

Good luck with the whole ‘spread love and treat others kindly’ and show jesus inspired affection and compassion stuff…
- doesn’t seem to be working too well for u ;)

And yeah, nice ‘deep thought’ story… fascinating.


Jelly Flater, 1697355227

…and these ummm ‘bullshitting you tube videos’ ;);)

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/7uL555xWQeE

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/sUJrXNCfUrk


Optimist, 1697356285

I don’t watch any of your biased videos…..as you mine….we are polar opposites…
But, at the end …and this may be it…or the early beginning stages of it….
….and Armageddon getting very close…little tiny Israel vs the cowardly sellout world…
we will see who prevails….optimist out.


Jelly Flater, 1697356885

Haha ;)
… bullshit awayyy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iIpfWORQWhU&pp=ygURaSByYW4gc28gZmFyIGF3YXk%3D


GuySmiley, 1697356887

In and out of retirement optimist

Big tragedy is the ME

What is your interest in the Jewish faith / people as a fundamental christian?

Is it what I proffered the other day about them renouncing Judaism on the last day as my good Jewish mate was telling me?


indo-dreaming, 1697362156

[quote=GuySmiley]In and out of retirement optimist

Big tragedy is the ME

What is your interest in the Jewish faith / people as a fundamental christian?

Is it what I proffered the other day about them renouncing Judaism on the last day as my good Jewish mate was telling me?[/quote]

I can understand why Christian's would have an interest in Jews and Israel after all Jesus was a Jew and the Jewish people and their land play an important part in Christianity as does Jerusalem, its basically the centre of the universe for both faiths. (even Islam to some extent)

They obviously differ but they do share a lot in common my understanding is the old testament they share is pretty much the same Jews just dont believe in the new testament or importance of Jesus.

In regard to what your friend believes or says, ask either ten Jews, ten Christian, ten Muslims a question on something and you will get a whole range of different beliefs and answers based on denominations, interpretation or just level of faith and then there is different Jewish denominations like there is Christian denominations.
.
But the fact you dont understand the importance of most religious people believing their god is the only god and only way to some better after life or heaven or whatever, shows me you dont have much understanding of religion, if you believe any god or faith will do it kind of makes it all pointless.


Jelly Flater, 1697362297

They often pretend to agree on and preach the ‘thou shalt not kill’ bit…
- but nobody actually really adheres to it.

Got that part in common…

Interesting ;)


indo-dreaming, 1697362665

[quote=Jelly Flater]They often pretend to agree on and preach the ‘thou shalt not kill’ bit…
- but nobody actually really adheres to it.

Got that part in common…

Interesting ;)[/quote]

Clearly you dont have much of an understanding or these religions either, cause even i know that's from the New testament that Jews dont believe in or follow, the old testament of which they believe in has "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" or something to those words though.


seeds, 1697362969

Commandment 6 Indo.


tubeshooter, 1697363428

[quote=Jelly Flater]They often pretend to agree on and preach the ‘thou shalt not kill’ bit…
- but nobody actually really adheres to it.

Got that part in common…

Interesting ;)[/quote]



Jelly Flater, 1697363668

Oh peanut man id…
These religions make amendments to their spiritual constitutions to suit themselves and any scenario ;)

In Islam for instance, the Holy Quran in no way justifies murder; it unequivocally states, “Whosoever killed a person … it shall be as if he had killed all mankind” (5:32). Such acts of violence are condemned in the Quran and by the Prophet Muhammad time and time again…

And look how that turned out.


GuySmiley, 1697364385

Fuck off @info, I didn’t ask you the question and I’m nolonger interested in engaging you on the green sewer mist stench you leave on the forums

Now optimist, was Michael having a lend of me or do you as a fundamental christian really believe that last judgement day (that you keep referencing) stuff about the Jews?


indo-dreaming, 1697364536

[quote=seeds]Commandment 6 Indo.[/quote]

Argh you are correct. ;P

These books are full of contraction's

And they always find versus etc to justify things anyway like this

"Justified killing: in warfare
Further information: Herem (war or property)
The ancient Hebrew texts make a distinction between the moral and legal prohibition of shedding of innocent blood and killing in battle.[29] Rabbi Marc Gellman explains the distinction between "harag" (killing) and "ratzah" (murder) and notes the different moral connotations. "...there is wide moral agreement (not complete agreement) that some forms of killing are morally just, and killing an enemy combatant during wartime is one of them."[30] For example, the Torah prohibits murder, but sanctions killing in legitimate battle.[31][32] The Bible often praises the exploits of soldiers against enemies in legitimate battle. One of David's mighty men is credited with killing eight hundred men with the spear,[33] and Abishai is credited with killing three hundred men.[34]

The 613 Mitzvot extend the notion of lawful killing to the nations that inhabited the Promised Land, commanding to exterminate them completely. Deuteronomy 20:10–18 establishes rules on killing civilians in warfare:

the population of cities outside of the Promised Land, if they surrender, should be made tributaries and left alive (20:10–11)
those cities outside of the Promised Land that resist should be besieged, and once they fall, the male population should be exterminated, but the women and children should be left alive (20:12–15)
of those cities that were within the Promised Land, however, everybody was to be killed.[11]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_kill

BTW. Israrelis and even Jews aren't necessarily religious though being a Jew is a funny thing in one sense its an ethnicity and culture in another its a religion, for example you can be Jewish but an atheists


indo-dreaming, 1697365034

[quote=GuySmiley]Fuck off @info, I didn’t ask you the question and I’m nolonger interested in engaging you on the green sewer mist stench you leave on the forums

Now optimist, was Michael having a lend of me or do you as a fundamental christian really believe that last judgement day (that you keep referencing) stuff about the Jews?[/quote]

Your not interested in engaging with me?

Does that mean your not going to follow me around like a lost puppy?

I really dont think you will be able to help yourself.

Oh and BTW while you claim my views are this or that, i saw this Australian wide poll last night and hmm your views were in the minority mine the clear majority.


goofyfoot, 1697365290

[quote=andy-mac][quote=indo-dreaming]In regard to all these Aljazeera media links & videos, It should be noted its always been considered very bias in favour of middle east islam and even has a history of some very questionable links and support including of known terrorist .

Its head quarters was even bombed by Israel a few years back (they gave them a few hours to get out)

Id take any of their view's with a huge grain of salt in the same way others would with any of the Israel main stream media news companies.[/quote]

But Sky news on the other hand.

Recommend watching 'Ordinary Men' on Netflix. Very heavy but people need to understand situations that lead to mass murder.
The language being thrown around in this latest ME escalation from both sides is terrifying.
Trying to understand the why to stop killings happening rather than just taking sides should be priority.
No winners in this situation...[/quote]

Just watched Ordinary Men Andy, pretty lost for words really. That was hard to watch.
The real life footage is very very sad


tubeshooter, 1697365949

There's obviously some loopholes in the "thou shall not kill" thing if God has the power to forgive murderers, even mass murderers.


Rabbits68, 1697367349

[quote=goofyfoot][quote=andy-mac][quote=indo-dreaming]In regard to all these Aljazeera media links & videos, It should be noted its always been considered very bias in favour of middle east islam and even has a history of some very questionable links and support including of known terrorist .

Its head quarters was even bombed by Israel a few years back (they gave them a few hours to get out)

Id take any of their view's with a huge grain of salt in the same way others would with any of the Israel main stream media news companies.[/quote]

But Sky news on the other hand.

Recommend watching 'Ordinary Men' on Netflix. Very heavy but people need to understand situations that lead to mass murder.
The language being thrown around in this latest ME escalation from both sides is terrifying.
Trying to understand the why to stop killings happening rather than just taking sides should be priority.
No winners in this situation...[/quote]

Just watched Ordinary Men Andy, pretty lost for words really. That was hard to watch.
The real life footage is very very sad[/quote]

Yeah I watched that a few weeks ago. The archival footage & photos are truly disturbing to say the very least.


Alana_a, 1697372158

[quote=Jelly Flater]…and these ummm ‘bullshitting you tube videos’ ;);)

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/7uL555xWQeE

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/sUJrXNCfUrk[/quote]

They need to cop a belting.


seeds, 1697373440

The real problem in Israel personified.


andy-mac, 1697399280

[quote=Rabbits68][quote=goofyfoot][quote=andy-mac][quote=indo-dreaming]In regard to all these Aljazeera media links & videos, It should be noted its always been considered very bias in favour of middle east islam and even has a history of some very questionable links and support including of known terrorist .

Its head quarters was even bombed by Israel a few years back (they gave them a few hours to get out)

Id take any of their view's with a huge grain of salt in the same way others would with any of the Israel main stream media news companies.[/quote]

But Sky news on the other hand.

Recommend watching 'Ordinary Men' on Netflix. Very heavy but people need to understand situations that lead to mass murder.
The language being thrown around in this latest ME escalation from both sides is terrifying.
Trying to understand the why to stop killings happening rather than just taking sides should be priority.
No winners in this situation...[/quote]

Just watched Ordinary Men Andy, pretty lost for words really. That was hard to watch.
The real life footage is very very sad[/quote]

Yeah I watched that a few weeks ago. The archival footage & photos are truly disturbing to say the very least.[/quote]

Yeah very confronting.
Humans are capable of doing the most beautiful things as well as the most abhorrent....
Chris Hedges wrote of similar human responses in this book.

https://www.amazon.com/War-Force-that-Gives-Meaning/dp/1400034639

War should be avoided at all costs.


velocityjohnno, 1697405943

[quote=Alana_a][quote=Jelly Flater]…and these ummm ‘bullshitting you tube videos’ ;);)

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/7uL555xWQeE

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/sUJrXNCfUrk[/quote]

They need to cop a belting.[/quote]

They are copping it in a way, because more people see this behaviour and see how abhorrent it is, and then they get to wonder whey there is so much support internationally for the other side. It's a good example of how hating others only hurts yourself.


san Guine, 1697408887

How much bang for your buck?
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-aid-spending-israel-military-defense-gaza-war-2023-10?op=1


indo-dreaming, 1697422720

Obviously you can feel sympathy for everyday people on either side whom are victims and no side is perfect and whatever side you support it doesn't mean you agree with all that they do or all that happens, but end of the day you still need to take some kind of stance.

The question is who are you going to stand with?

Israel a multicultural multi religious democratic country who have a history of being willing to find a compromise like a two state solution, if they had their way there would be a chance of peace and society and values on the Israel state would be much more similar to ours and the supporters you stand by are our own allies like Aus, USA, UK, France, Germany, Italy etc

Or are you going to stand with Palestine & Hamas and other radical groups and stand alongside the side that dont want any compromise what so ever and actually say they wont be happy until every Jew is dead, whom values are completely different to ours and make a conservative like me quite literally look woke because i dont think gays or those of other religions should be in prison or dead or women treated like trash, and those you stand with are countries like Iran, Qatar, Syria, Lebanon and quite literally most islamic terrorist groups..

Does my head in that anyone can take the latter stance, especially those on the left.


basesix, 1697424733

@indo, two state solution was destroyed, when Israel started building on and populating disputed territories. No-one with power and influence seems to be working for that anymore in any workable way, seems an impossible dream.


garyg1412, 1697424753

[quote=indo-dreaming]Obviously you can feel sympathy for everyday people on either side whom are victims and no side is perfect and whatever side you support it doesn't mean you agree with all that they do or all that happens, but end of the day you still need to take some kind of stance.

The question is who are you going to stand with?

Israel a multicultural multi religious democratic country who have a history of being willing to find a compromise like a two state solution, if they had their way there would be a chance of peace and society and values on the Israel state would be much more similar to ours and the supporters you stand by are our own allies like Aus, USA, UK, France, Germany, Italy etc

Or are you going to stand with Palestine & Hamas and other radical groups and stand alongside the side that dont want any compromise what so ever and actually say they wont be happy until every Jew is dead, whom values are completely different to ours and make a conservative like me quite literally look woke because i dont think gays or those of other religions should be in prison or dead or women treated like trash, and those you stand with are countries like Iran, Qatar, Syria, Lebanon and quite literally most islamic terrorist groups..

Does my head in that anyone can take the latter stance, especially those on the left.[/quote]

Indo the only stance you need to take is to agree that bullet riddled children are just as abhorrent as children killed by shock waves from a bomb launched miles away from a state of the art killing machine. That's it - no ifs or buts - left side or right side.


andy-mac, 1697424906

[quote=indo-dreaming]Obviously you can feel sympathy for everyday people on either side whom are victims and no side is perfect and whatever side you support it doesn't mean you agree with all that they do or all that happens, but end of the day you still need to take some kind of stance.

The question is who are you going to stand with?

Israel a multicultural multi religious democratic country who have a history of being willing to find a compromise like a two state solution, if they had their way there would be a chance of peace and society and values on the Israel state would be much more similar to ours and the supporters you stand by are our own allies like Aus, USA, UK, France, Germany, Italy etc

Or are you going to stand with Palestine & Hamas and other radical groups and stand alongside the side that dont want any compromise what so ever and actually say they wont be happy until every Jew is dead, whom values are completely different to ours and make a conservative like me quite literally look woke because i dont think gays or those of other religions should be in prison or dead or women treated like trash, and those you stand with are countries like Iran, Qatar, Syria, Lebanon and quite literally most islamic terrorist groups..

Does my head in that anyone can take the latter stance, especially those on the left.[/quote]

Although I understand and agree with some of your comment, some of what you have written is incorrect.
2 state solution was sabotaged by continual new developments on disputed land, illegal settlements. A lot of these settlements consisted of right-wing religious fundamentalist elements who were outright hostile and violent towards local Palestinians with the backing of IDF.
There are Jews that are calling for total expulsion of all Arabs from Israel.
Don't want to go on with whataboutisms, but all the power lies with Israel and the USA, and they have not been using this power in a fair manner in a lot of people's opinions.
No sides here from me, the whole thing is dreadful and hope calmer heads prevail.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/15/examples-jewish-arab-solidarity-offer-hope-israel


bonza, 1697426958

The Palestinians have rejected numerous opportunities to create an independent state.
https://besacenter.org/palestinian-rejectionism/
Hamas not only wants israel obliterated - it wants ALL jews dead and then us - western non-believers scum. Think about it.
There are more than 2 billion muslims in the world and 50 Muslim-majority countries.
Compare that to the 16 million jews and 1 country..... but the power lies with USA and Israel? Go figure.

The whole "we need to give context defence" is pretty disgusting in the light of what has happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory


andy-mac, 1697427401

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-palestinian-dispute-hinges-statehood-land-jerusalem-refugees-2023-10-10/


Jelly Flater, 1697427508

Can’t we all just get along ;)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lizAVmZ43wM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W2o84egjMso&pp=ygUSVGhlIHNpbXBzb25zIGJhY29u


indo-dreaming, 1697433475

[quote=bonza]The Palestinians have rejected numerous opportunities to create an independent state.
https://besacenter.org/palestinian-rejectionism/
Hamas not only wants israel obliterated - it wants ALL jews dead and then us - western non-believers scum. Think about it.
There are more than 2 billion muslims in the world and 50 Muslim-majority countries.
Compare that to the 16 million jews and 1 country..... but the power lies with USA and Israel? Go figure.

The whole "we need to give context defence" is pretty disgusting in the light of what has happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory[/quote]

100% thats just the hard reality, so sadly there will never be peace and the cycle will just continue.

Best case scenario at this stage is Israel somehow get's rid of Hamas and regains control of Gaza and allows the Palestine people to come back live and rebuild and there is a new elected government with regular elections and hopefully the new government isn't a terrorist organisation, the alternative of Fatah seems a far better political group in many regards.

At least that way Israel can prevent being regularly attacked from Gaza and only have to worry about other areas.

The problem is to regain control and get rid of Hamas its going to be ugly, just doing what they have sending people south is ugly, but it would be much worst if they tried to get rid of Hamas with civilians there..



andy-mac, 1697436354

[quote=indo-dreaming][quote=bonza]The Palestinians have rejected numerous opportunities to create an independent state.
https://besacenter.org/palestinian-rejectionism/
Hamas not only wants israel obliterated - it wants ALL jews dead and then us - western non-believers scum. Think about it.
There are more than 2 billion muslims in the world and 50 Muslim-majority countries.
Compare that to the 16 million jews and 1 country..... but the power lies with USA and Israel? Go figure.

The whole "we need to give context defence" is pretty disgusting in the light of what has happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory[/quote]

100% thats just the hard reality, so sadly there will never be peace and the cycle will just continue.

Best case scenario at this stage is Israel somehow get's rid of Hamas and regains control of Gaza and allows the Palestine people to come back live and rebuild and there is a new elected government with regular elections and hopefully the new government isn't a terrorist organisation, the alternative of Fatah seems a far better political group in many regards.

At least that way Israel can prevent being regularly attacked from Gaza and only have to worry about other areas.

The problem is to regain control and get rid of Hamas its going to be ugly, just doing what they have sending people south is ugly, but it would be much worst if they tried to get rid of Hamas with civilians there..[/quote]

Not as simple as that.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/two-state-solution



andy-mac, 1697436816

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/


Jelly Flater, 1697438042

An interesting point to note…
- netanyahu was in serious political trouble over the last few years and, especially, leading up to the current events we are witnessing.

After his corruption trials (where he went full scomo and just dismissed all accusations and findings) bibi has been battling constant internal division and calls for him to resign and be prosecuted.

Odd that it has all been put aside now while using war and terror as a tool to try unite a deeply divided people and parliament…
The warnings by Egypt days before the hamas attacks are also a curious fact to consider.

- is this present situation an effort to deflect and deceive for one’s political survival, an opportunity to galvanise patriotic support and a cynical attempt to hold onto power ?

It may be foolish to ignore or underestimate the grip of manipulation, from both sides, when dealing with such extreme religious ideology. This conflict has been a pressure cooker for decades and the scenario for israel now could be described as the perfect storm.

Same could be said for players like iran…

But… surely bibi is just a good ol fashioned former soldier with good intentions and a mutual love for his people and all humanity, with an actual vision for peace and stability… ;)

- seems, though, (like most ‘leaders’) he may just be another murderous war monger using the ideal of democracy as an excuse to inflict pain and misery on the ‘enemy’.
(An enemy that is just as barbaric, disingenuous and destructive… )

The whole ‘wipe them off the face of earth’ doctrine doesn’t work. Never has, never will.

And, again…
There are no goodies… no baddies.
No sides.
No winners.
For now… just death.

- and all these fuckers still reckon they’re doin god’s work.

Lie$$$

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8R7vVsdQ5Pk

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Bgk4QWRIVFE

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/kraM4GwZgXA






Jelly Flater, 1697446010

Some good links you posted @andy-mac… stats n facts.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GNqilIwiqAM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CANh13XKFVk


seeds, 1697447842

Great vid JF. No blinkers on


andy-mac, 1697449201

Yep.... No blinkers indeed.


bonza, 1697453256

Ol’ mate must have skipped the Hamas charter bit about death to all Jews and the destruction of Israel. No exception. How does one negotiate with that?

If Israelis were such the monsters the world makes them out to be given all that military hardware and support from the US why haven’t they just wiped out the Palestinians already?

Given things were more equal, if Hamas had the industrial weaponry, given their charter and their ideology, what would the situation be instead?





indo-dreaming, 1697454560

And here is the comparison of military power.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/k9d3hQI.jpg[/img]

Image from here https://www.tbsnews.net/features/panorama/israel-vs-hamas-battlefield-when-might-meets-guile-716282

BTW. That soldier number of 80K doesn't seem correct most sources say 15K to 30K article says Hamas but maybe that includes other Palestine groups too.

And " The State of Israel requires every Israeli citizen over the age of 18 who is Jewish, Druze or Circassian to serve in the Israel Defense Forces (although there are some notable exceptions). Other Israeli Arabs, religious women, married individuals, and those deemed unfit medically or mentally are exempt from compulsory military service. Regardless of those exemptions, many of those exempt from military service do volunteer to serve in the Israel Defense Forces. Once enlisted, men are expected to serve for a minimum of 32 months and women are expected to serve for a minimum of 24 months."

So even a large amount of civilians are well trained.


seeds, 1697454774

The blinkers are back on for the next lap.


seeds, 1697460466

Bonza
https://youtu.be/PUe8XmmaJxI?si=Wkq8gaXFlToFl79t


andy-mac, 1697487100

[quote=bonza]Ol’ mate must have skipped the Hamas charter bit about death to all Jews and the destruction of Israel. No exception. How does one negotiate with that?

If Israelis were such the monsters the world makes them out to be given all that military hardware and support from the US why haven’t they just wiped out the Palestinians already?

Given things were more equal, if Hamas had the industrial weaponry, given their charter and their ideology, what would the situation be instead?[/quote]

No mate, Hamas are vile, but again you try and simplify a complicated situation. Goodies v Badies
Stats more telling in case you missed it. From 2008 - 2020.
Palestinian deaths 5590
Israeli deaths 251.

But yeah a Palestinian life not worth as much as an Israeli ey.


Roadkill, 1697488553

Hamas should be wiped out, Israel has every right to do as they are doing. The hypocrisy on display from many is something else. No mercy should be given.


andy-mac, 1697490270

[quote=Roadkill]Hamas should be wiped out, Israel has every right to do as they are doing. The hypocrisy on display from many is something else. No mercy should be given.[/quote]

So you're ok with industrial scale killing and the mass murder of thousands of innocent civilians?
That's what looks like is about to happen.
Revenge is sweet ey.. giddy up.


burleigh, 1697490600

[quote=Roadkill]Hamas should be wiped out, Israel has every right to do as they are doing. The hypocrisy on display from many is something else. No mercy should be given.[/quote]

And how do you plan on doing this roadkill? How many innocent people dying is ok for you?


indo-dreaming, 1697490614

This video is a great run down on the history and different aspects from a Jewish tour guide and uses a lot of stats and historic evidence for different points.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNf40sBcvKk



fitzroy-21, 1697490668

@ Roadkill, so you are all good with the killing of innocent civilians in densely populated areas? Nice.......
Was your coffee over expressed again this morning?


Jelly Flater, 1697491395

Oh road dill… you must be campaigning to be chief gumboot.

- don’t worry bout the hypocrisy of saying one’s army will abide by international law but then actually going right ahead and breaking international law by cutting off water, electricity and medical supplies, bombing residential buildings… along with using white phosphorus in a populated urban area full of civilians.

Hmmm… the ummm… the hypocrisy on display IS something else ;)

- it’s horrible if our children die but ok if it’s yours…
Not sure this philosophy can work. Ever.

Kind of hypocritical.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi8ltliKdPc&pp=ygUbaXNyYWVsIGRlbW9jcmFjeSBoeXBvY3Jpc3kg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v4eMarOSIbc




Roadkill, 1697491727

How easy for us here living in a nice 1st world mostly peaceful non violent country…to want others to basically take no real actions when the neighbours come over and kill your babies, rape your wives, torture and murder sons and brothers. Hamas will never be peaceful or take the road of non violence…do nothing and they will do the same again.


Roadkill, 1697491885

I would love you guys to tell me exactly what Israel should do?

I bet not one of you has any real suggestions how to fix the mess?

Over to you all…how would you deal with it?


Roadkill, 1697491988

China calling for calm and peace and negotiation…was the funniest thing.


indo-dreaming, 1697492086

[quote=fitzroy-21]@ Roadkill, so you are all good with the killing of innocent civilians in densely populated areas? Nice.......
Was your coffee over expressed again this morning?[/quote]

Its not an easy task to get rid of Hamas without other causalities, but thats the reason why Israel have told civilians to get out and move south to the safe zone, then Israel will go in and try to take out Hamas.

Its not perfect but its better than trying to get rid of Hamas with civilians there, Israel gave them 24hrs to get out but thankfully that has now extended to days longer due to Israel not going in because of bad weather, sand storms etc that mess with Israel surveillance drones that are important for the mission.

Hamas is mostly underground they have hundreds of kilometres of tunnels to hide and move around, luckily Israel have obtained all kinds of physical maps etc

I was home sick in bed with gastreo yesterday, much better now but still got to look after daughter today so I watched way to many YouTube videos and articles, super interesting though, same with some of the historic archaeological discoveries like ancient Jewish coins from thousands of years ago found all through Israel, to huge roman sites buried beneath the sand almost totally preserved, and even historical evidence and sites reconfirming Arab history in Gaza.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdejpCYWBTk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnuyVs4nPSo&t=1s


Jelly Flater, 1697492525

Haha dill boy
Calm down and get the rocket outta your arse ;)

‘ Hamas will never be peaceful or take the road of non violence…’

Same with the idf you dumb fuck.
- notice the …ummm …hypocrisy;)

Both sides kill.
Both blame the other.
Both are in the wrong.

- israel to stop colonising illegally with settlements is a start.

But… yeah… well done with the call for no mercy.
Gumboot extraordinaire ;)

Maybe try the dialogue, diplomacy and mutual respect path first ay numbnuts…


Roadkill, 1697492618

[quote=fitzroy-21]@ Roadkill, so you are all good with the killing of innocent civilians in densely populated areas? Nice.......
Was your coffee over expressed again this morning?[/quote]

That’s the way…instead of answering you pull the “you are good with killing innocent civilians..piss weak mate.

No surprise burleigh pulled the same weak reply/stunt.

No one is good with civilian deaths.


Roadkill, 1697492870

[quote=Jelly Flater]Haha dill boy
Calm down and get the rocket outta your arse ;)

‘ Hamas will never be peaceful or take the road of non violence…’

Same with the idf you dumb fuck.
- notice the …ummm …hypocrisy;)

Both sides kill.
Both blame the other.
Both are in the wrong.

- israel to stop colonising illegally with settlements is a start.

But… yeah… well done with the call for no mercy.
Gumboot extraordinaire ;)

Maybe try the dialogue, diplomacy and mutual respect path first ay numbnuts…[/quote]

[quote=Jelly Flater]Haha dill boy
Calm down and get the rocket outta your arse ;)

‘ Hamas will never be peaceful or take the road of non violence…’

Same with the idf you dumb fuck.
- notice the …ummm …hypocrisy;)

Both sides kill.
Both blame the other.
Both are in the wrong.

- israel to stop colonising illegally with settlements is a start.

But… yeah… well done with the call for no mercy.
Gumboot extraordinaire ;)

Maybe try the dialogue, diplomacy and mutual respect path first ay numbnuts…how can you try this first AFTER Hamas has attacked and killed?

If you think Hamas has mutual respect path? Then you are at peak stupidity and beyond clueless


fitzroy-21, 1697493141

[quote=Roadkill]Hamas should be wiped out, Israel has every right to do as they are doing. No mercy should be given.[/quote]

My answer to giving a solution was as broad as your statement above. But do carry on.....


Roadkill, 1697493170

“Maybe try the dialogue, diplomacy and mutual respect path first ay numbnuts…”

Gotcha.


burleigh, 1697494153

road dill, the man who wanted someone charged with murder if his mum caught covid off them and died now ok with tens of thousands of civilian deaths in a war. Actually encouraging it.

The DILL


Jelly Flater, 1697494284

Geez dill ;)

You’re enjoying that rocket the further up it goes…


Roadkill, 1697494448

[quote=burleigh]road dill, the man who wanted someone charged with murder if his mum caught covid off them and died now ok with tens of thousands of civilian deaths in a war. Actually encouraging it.

The DILL[/quote]

Deflection burleigh… how about you tell how to fix the mess?


Roadkill, 1697494518

[quote=Jelly Flater]Geez dill ;)

You’re enjoying that rocket the further up it goes…[/quote]

So no solutions to offer?


burleigh, 1697494980

[quote=Roadkill][quote=burleigh]road dill, the man who wanted someone charged with murder if his mum caught covid off them and died now ok with tens of thousands of civilian deaths in a war. Actually encouraging it.

The DILL[/quote]

Deflection burleigh… how about you tell how to fix the mess?[/quote]

I don't have an answer Dill.

I expect nothing less from you. As long as the deaths don't affect you, you'll encourage it.

What if these innocent civilians are your fully vaccinated mum in a cafe?


andy-mac, 1697495743

[quote=Roadkill]How easy for us here living in a nice 1st world mostly peaceful non violent country…to want others to basically take no real actions when the neighbours come over and kill your babies, rape your wives, torture and murder sons and brothers. Hamas will never be peaceful or take the road of non violence…do nothing and they will do the same again.[/quote]

No one said anything about Israel not taking action, the type of action is what is being questioned. You put words into others mouths.
Fact is Israel is just as guilty as causing death a Hamas (a lot more women and children actually), they can just do it from afar with missiles and aircraft.
But what is going to be the end result even if the perfect scenario Hamas are taken out with minimal civilian deaths? What comes after Hamas? I would say will be more extreme and deadly, so no winner there.
Let's have a quick glance at another scenario.
Israel flatten Gaza, heaps of deaths and is televised across the world. Only the USA, UK and Australia will be left supporting that. Mass uprisings in ME, Hezbollah and Iran engage bringing in other ME states who can no longer even pretend to support Israel after their local populations rise up wanting revenge. Other ME states getting involved. Oil prices skyrocket causing severe worldwide depression.
China calls for restraint and most countries of the world now see China as new world leader.
USA enters hot war in ME again involving Iran, Iran get support from China and Russia.... etc etc.
Now is not the time for revenge, but for cool heads and a real start to work out some kind of acceptable solution for all parties in Israel. For this to happen the USA is the only country that can influence Israel as their primary donor and supporter.
Anyway that's my last 2 cents worth, I am getting too upset with whole situation.


Jelly Flater, 1697496735

Dill, you have exclaimed others are displaying peak stupidity…
- whilst trying to demand others give solutions while spouting:

‘No mercy should be given’ ??? (… great ‘solution’ you are offering there).

- sounds like the very antithesis of a ‘solution’ ;)

You’ve also accused ppl of hypocrisy…
- yet ignore the fact israel continues to create illegal settlements while preaching adherence to international law. (That is hypocrisy right there).
- and ignore the fact israel also does not abide by international law through cutting electricity, water and medicine from gaza (yet the international community tries to still justify the ‘right to self defence according to international law’). ???

So the israeli government and idf demand conditions be followed and try defend the application of force in accordance with international law, yet don’t actually abide by these laws when carrying out operations…
Get it yet numbnuts ;)

- that is hypocrisy.

And when you learn to read, try understand I offered a solution previously :

‘israel to stop colonising illegally with settlements is a start.’

It may not be foolproof, but it would be a start…
It would also eliminate the …ummm …hypocrisy ;)

- you know, the hypocrisy of stating that one must observe international law while clearly not actually following it, but instead doing the exact opposite…

(the UN ruling categorically states further israeli settlements in the occupied territories as being ILLEGAL)

- yet the settlements continue to this day… in direct violation of international law.

But yeah… the no mercy ‘solution’.
- escalate the killing, feed the possibility of further retribution, and create the certainty of more death and misery…
Good one chief gumboot ;)


san Guine, 1697497064

Just to take a step back, some modern historical context to the formation of the state of Israel, heralded by the Balfour Declaration (long read)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration


flollo, 1697497172

Are people here forgetting about the live hostages that Hamas is holding? These people have families who surely want to see some action. Whatever the history is, the state has the responsibility to save its own citizens.


indo-dreaming, 1697497225

[quote=andy-mac][quote=Roadkill]How easy for us here living in a nice 1st world mostly peaceful non violent country…to want others to basically take no real actions when the neighbours come over and kill your babies, rape your wives, torture and murder sons and brothers. Hamas will never be peaceful or take the road of non violence…do nothing and they will do the same again.[/quote]

No one said anything about Israel not taking action, the type of action is what is being questioned. You put words into others mouths.
Fact is Israel is just as guilty as causing death a Hamas (a lot more women and children actually), they can just do it from afar with missiles and aircraft.
But what is going to be the end result even if the perfect scenario Hamas are taken out with minimal civilian deaths? What comes after Hamas? I would say will be more extreme and deadly, so no winner there.
Let's have a quick glance at another scenario.
Israel flatten Gaza, heaps of deaths and is televised across the world. Only the USA, UK and Australia will be left supporting that. Mass uprisings in ME, Hezbollah and Iran engage bringing in other ME states who can no longer even pretend to support Israel after their local populations rise up wanting revenge. Other ME states getting involved. Oil prices skyrocket causing severe worldwide depression.
China calls for restraint and most countries of the world now see China as new world leader.
USA enters hot war in ME again involving Iran, Iran get support from China and Russia.... etc etc.
Now is not the time for revenge, but for cool heads and a real start to work out some kind of acceptable solution for all parties in Israel. For this to happen the USA is the only country that can influence Israel as their primary donor and supporter.
Anyway that's my last 2 cents worth, I am getting too upset with whole situation.[/quote]

Im curious how you think Israel should have responded?


Roadkill, 1697497318

[quote=Jelly Flater]Dill, you have exclaimed others are displaying peak stupidity…
- whilst trying to demand others give solutions while spouting:

‘No mercy should be given’ ??? (… great ‘solution’ you are offering there).

- sounds like the very antithesis of a ‘solution’ ;)

You’ve also accused ppl of hypocrisy…
- yet ignore the fact israel continues to create illegal settlements while preaching adherence to international law. (That is hypocrisy right there).
- and ignore the fact israel also does not abide by international law through cutting electricity, water and medicine from gaza (yet the international community tries to still justify the ‘right to self defence according to international law’). ???

So the israeli government and idf demand conditions be followed and try defend the application of force in accordance with international law, yet don’t actually abide by these laws when carrying out operations…
Get it yet numbnuts ;)

- that is hypocrisy.

And when you learn to read, try understand I offered a solution previously :

‘israel to stop colonising illegally with settlements is a start.’

It may not be foolproof, but it would be a start…
It would also eliminate the …ummm …hypocrisy ;)

- you know, the hypocrisy of stating that one must observe international law while clearly not actually following it, but instead doing the exact opposite…

(the UN ruling categorically states further israeli settlements in the occupied territories as being ILLEGAL)

- yet the settlements continue to this day… in direct violation of international law.

But yeah… the no mercy ‘solution’.
- escalate the killing, feed the possibility of further retribution, and create the certainty of more death and misery…
Good one chief gumboot ;)[/quote]

got it Jelly. Israel bad and everything is their fault. Hamas are peace loving and should be offered respect and negotiation.


seeds, 1697497733

Israel has dug itself well into this hole long before Hamas even existed. Could be argued they set the scene for the creation of hamas.


Roadkill, 1697498128

btw Jelly, Israel has restarted water and electricity to southern Gaza...the south, where they have advised the Palestinians to move to. The south where Hamas is not allowing the civilian population to go to because they want civilian deaths to garner pity from the west and people like you.


Jelly Flater, 1697498505

‘Israel bad and everything is their fault. Hamas are peace loving and should be offered respect and negotiation.’

- that’s a fucked up interpretation right there.
You’re just making a fool of ya self dill. (nothing new)

Not once have I defended the actions of hamas nor endorsed them.

Quit trying to inflame things while throwing out accusations, and demanding solutions but offering nothing of your own…

You can’t go pretending to be a judge on hypocrisy while backing a regime that accuses others of being animals, yet then proudly engages in and also defends animalistic revenge.

You’ve got the moral compass and integrity of a gumboot…
- wallowing in hypocrisy and ignorance.

‘No mercy!!!’

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vLIBZ1Fewco&pp=ygUTYmFsZm91ciBkZWNsYXJhdGlvbg%3D%3D


indo-dreaming, 1697498571

[quote=seeds]Israel has dug itself well into this hole long before Hamas even existed. Could be argued they set the scene for the creation of hamas.[/quote]

Israel hasn't dug any hole, no matter what they would always be under attack from radical islamic nationalist groups, there is many that are very open about the fact they wont be happy until every Jew is dead and every bit of Israel is Palestine.

Theres no logical way to deal or negotiate with that kind of mindest.
[quote=Roadkill]btw Jelly, Israel has restarted water and electricity to southern Gaza...the south, where they have advised the Palestinians to move to. The south where Hamas is not allowing the civilian population to go to because they want civilian deaths to garner pity from the west and people like you.[/quote]

Well thats good news.

Funny thing about people like Jelly is if he was over there and said hi guy's i support you, they wouldn't care he as an infidel would be kidnapped or killed.


san Guine, 1697498603

The borders
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567


flollo, 1697498619

I asked above but it probably got missed in this heated exchange. What should Israel do with its citizens who are being held hostage by Hamas?


Roadkill, 1697498676

[quote=andy-mac][quote=Roadkill]How easy for us here living in a nice 1st world mostly peaceful non violent country…to want others to basically take no real actions when the neighbours come over and kill your babies, rape your wives, torture and murder sons and brothers. Hamas will never be peaceful or take the road of non violence…do nothing and they will do the same again.[/quote]

No one said anything about Israel not taking action, the type of action is what is being questioned. You put words into others mouths.
Fact is Israel is just as guilty as causing death a Hamas (a lot more women and children actually), they can just do it from afar with missiles and aircraft.
But what is going to be the end result even if the perfect scenario Hamas are taken out with minimal civilian deaths? What comes after Hamas? I would say will be more extreme and deadly, so no winner there.
Let's have a quick glance at another scenario.
Israel flatten Gaza, heaps of deaths and is televised across the world. Only the USA, UK and Australia will be left supporting that. Mass uprisings in ME, Hezbollah and Iran engage bringing in other ME states who can no longer even pretend to support Israel after their local populations rise up wanting revenge. Other ME states getting involved. Oil prices skyrocket causing severe worldwide depression.
China calls for restraint and most countries of the world now see China as new world leader.
USA enters hot war in ME again involving Iran, Iran get support from China and Russia.... etc etc.
Now is not the time for revenge, but for cool heads and a real start to work out some kind of acceptable solution for all parties in Israel. For this to happen the USA is the only country that can influence Israel as their primary donor and supporter.
Anyway that's my last 2 cents worth, I am getting too upset with whole situation.[/quote]


bullshit. Israel has done and is doing far more to limit civilian deaths than Hamas ever will. Hamas use human shields and cowardly hide behind Palestinian woman and children and Israel hostages. They give zero fucks about their own people....yet, here you are being suckered in and blaming Israel. Hamas are the bad eggs here. wake up

ps...terrorists don't want negotiation


Jelly Flater, 1697498800

And id…
You are king numpty ;)

One of my good friends is a man of palestinian heritage, married to a jewish girl.
A beautiful example of a shared existence and of hope.
- sure they’ve had their share of naysayers (from both sides)…

They provide wonderful and enlightening insights into what life was like there, and what it is like here…
- and how most ppl take the news they see and hear as reality.

It’s not.
And you don’t know shit ;)


andy-mac, 1697498892

[quote=indo-dreaming][quote=andy-mac][quote=Roadkill]How easy for us here living in a nice 1st world mostly peaceful non violent country…to want others to basically take no real actions when the neighbours come over and kill your babies, rape your wives, torture and murder sons and brothers. Hamas will never be peaceful or take the road of non violence…do nothing and they will do the same again.[/quote]

No one said anything about Israel not taking action, the type of action is what is being questioned. You put words into others mouths.
Fact is Israel is just as guilty as causing death a Hamas (a lot more women and children actually), they can just do it from afar with missiles and aircraft.
But what is going to be the end result even if the perfect scenario Hamas are taken out with minimal civilian deaths? What comes after Hamas? I would say will be more extreme and deadly, so no winner there.
Let's have a quick glance at another scenario.
Israel flatten Gaza, heaps of deaths and is televised across the world. Only the USA, UK and Australia will be left supporting that. Mass uprisings in ME, Hezbollah and Iran engage bringing in other ME states who can no longer even pretend to support Israel after their local populations rise up wanting revenge. Other ME states getting involved. Oil prices skyrocket causing severe worldwide depression.
China calls for restraint and most countries of the world now see China as new world leader.
USA enters hot war in ME again involving Iran, Iran get support from China and Russia.... etc etc.
Now is not the time for revenge, but for cool heads and a real start to work out some kind of acceptable solution for all parties in Israel. For this to happen the USA is the only country that can influence Israel as their primary donor and supporter.
Anyway that's my last 2 cents worth, I am getting too upset with whole situation.[/quote]

Im curious how you think Israel should have responded?[/quote]

First, I would want instigate an investigation on how such a major flaw in their security services took place to avoid something such as this ever being able to occur.
Second, would make getting back the hostages a priority if at all possible.
Third, would use intelligence and special forces, targeted air attacks to track down who was responsible and deal with them. Yes there would be still innocent deaths but not wholesale slaughter.
The ramifications if Israel do undertake a scorched earth policy, I believe will cause blow back and destroy the sympathy the world has for them presently.

Anyway I really do not know shit but hate to see innocent people killed and injustice.
Read somewhere recently that Iran may have ordered this attack by Hamas due to one of their nuclear scientists being assassinated by USA/ Israel. There is so much more going on I reckon, and as usual when the major powers fight it's the innocent who are hurt.

Over and out.


andy-mac, 1697498991

[quote=Roadkill][quote=andy-mac][quote=Roadkill]How easy for us here living in a nice 1st world mostly peaceful non violent country…to want others to basically take no real actions when the neighbours come over and kill your babies, rape your wives, torture and murder sons and brothers. Hamas will never be peaceful or take the road of non violence…do nothing and they will do the same again.[/quote]

No one said anything about Israel not taking action, the type of action is what is being questioned. You put words into others mouths.
Fact is Israel is just as guilty as causing death a Hamas (a lot more women and children actually), they can just do it from afar with missiles and aircraft.
But what is going to be the end result even if the perfect scenario Hamas are taken out with minimal civilian deaths? What comes after Hamas? I would say will be more extreme and deadly, so no winner there.
Let's have a quick glance at another scenario.
Israel flatten Gaza, heaps of deaths and is televised across the world. Only the USA, UK and Australia will be left supporting that. Mass uprisings in ME, Hezbollah and Iran engage bringing in other ME states who can no longer even pretend to support Israel after their local populations rise up wanting revenge. Other ME states getting involved. Oil prices skyrocket causing severe worldwide depression.
China calls for restraint and most countries of the world now see China as new world leader.
USA enters hot war in ME again involving Iran, Iran get support from China and Russia.... etc etc.
Now is not the time for revenge, but for cool heads and a real start to work out some kind of acceptable solution for all parties in Israel. For this to happen the USA is the only country that can influence Israel as their primary donor and supporter.
Anyway that's my last 2 cents worth, I am getting too upset with whole situation.[/quote]


bullshit. Israel has done and is doing far more to limit civilian deaths than Hamas ever will. Hamas use human shields and cowardly hide behind Palestinian woman and children and Israel hostages. They give zero fucks about their own people....yet, here you are being suckered in and blaming Israel. Hamas are the bad eggs here. wake up

ps...terrorists don't want negotiation[/quote]

Learn to read mate, no where have I blamed Israel.
Trying to understand things rather than jumping on the revenge goodies versus baddies bullshit you are tied up with.


Jelly Flater, 1697499125

@flollo

Negotiate a prisoner swap might be an option.


Roadkill, 1697499139

[quote=andy-mac][quote=Roadkill][quote=andy-mac][quote=Roadkill]How easy for us here living in a nice 1st world mostly peaceful non violent country…to want others to basically take no real actions when the neighbours come over and kill your babies, rape your wives, torture and murder sons and brothers. Hamas will never be peaceful or take the road of non violence…do nothing and they will do the same again.[/quote]

No one said anything about Israel not taking action, the type of action is what is being questioned. You put words into others mouths.
Fact is Israel is just as guilty as causing death a Hamas (a lot more women and children actually), they can just do it from afar with missiles and aircraft.
But what is going to be the end result even if the perfect scenario Hamas are taken out with minimal civilian deaths? What comes after Hamas? I would say will be more extreme and deadly, so no winner there.
Let's have a quick glance at another scenario.
Israel flatten Gaza, heaps of deaths and is televised across the world. Only the USA, UK and Australia will be left supporting that. Mass uprisings in ME, Hezbollah and Iran engage bringing in other ME states who can no longer even pretend to support Israel after their local populations rise up wanting revenge. Other ME states getting involved. Oil prices skyrocket causing severe worldwide depression.
China calls for restraint and most countries of the world now see China as new world leader.
USA enters hot war in ME again involving Iran, Iran get support from China and Russia.... etc etc.
Now is not the time for revenge, but for cool heads and a real start to work out some kind of acceptable solution for all parties in Israel. For this to happen the USA is the only country that can influence Israel as their primary donor and supporter.
Anyway that's my last 2 cents worth, I am getting too upset with whole situation.[/quote]


bullshit. Israel has done and is doing far more to limit civilian deaths than Hamas ever will. Hamas use human shields and cowardly hide behind Palestinian woman and children and Israel hostages. They give zero fucks about their own people....yet, here you are being suckered in and blaming Israel. Hamas are the bad eggs here. wake up

ps...terrorists don't want negotiation[/quote]

Learn to read mate, no where have I blamed Israel.
Trying to understand things rather than jumping on the revenge goodies versus baddies bullshit you are tied up with.[/quote]

quote "Fact is Israel is just as guilty as causing death a Hamas (a lot more women and children actually), they can just do it from afar with missiles and aircraft."


andy-mac, 1697499395

[quote=Roadkill][quote=andy-mac][quote=Roadkill][quote=andy-mac][quote=Roadkill]How easy for us here living in a nice 1st world mostly peaceful non violent country…to want others to basically take no real actions when the neighbours come over and kill your babies, rape your wives, torture and murder sons and brothers. Hamas will never be peaceful or take the road of non violence…do nothing and they will do the same again.[/quote]

No one said anything about Israel not taking action, the type of action is what is being questioned. You put words into others mouths.
Fact is Israel is just as guilty as causing death a Hamas (a lot more women and children actually), they can just do it from afar with missiles and aircraft.
But what is going to be the end result even if the perfect scenario Hamas are taken out with minimal civilian deaths? What comes after Hamas? I would say will be more extreme and deadly, so no winner there.
Let's have a quick glance at another scenario.
Israel flatten Gaza, heaps of deaths and is televised across the world. Only the USA, UK and Australia will be left supporting that. Mass uprisings in ME, Hezbollah and Iran engage bringing in other ME states who can no longer even pretend to support Israel after their local populations rise up wanting revenge. Other ME states getting involved. Oil prices skyrocket causing severe worldwide depression.
China calls for restraint and most countries of the world now see China as new world leader.
USA enters hot war in ME again involving Iran, Iran get support from China and Russia.... etc etc.
Now is not the time for revenge, but for cool heads and a real start to work out some kind of acceptable solution for all parties in Israel. For this to happen the USA is the only country that can influence Israel as their primary donor and supporter.
Anyway that's my last 2 cents worth, I am getting too upset with whole situation.[/quote]


bullshit. Israel has done and is doing far more to limit civilian deaths than Hamas ever will. Hamas use human shields and cowardly hide behind Palestinian woman and children and Israel hostages. They give zero fucks about their own people....yet, here you are being suckered in and blaming Israel. Hamas are the bad eggs here. wake up

ps...terrorists don't want negotiation[/quote]

Learn to read mate, no where have I blamed Israel.
Trying to understand things rather than jumping on the revenge goodies versus baddies bullshit you are tied up with.[/quote]

quote "Fact is Israel is just as guilty as causing death a Hamas (a lot more women and children actually), they can just do it from afar with missiles and aircraft."[/quote]

Figures don't lie.
No blame made mate, just death count between 2008 - 2020 that was given and how these people died.


indo-dreaming, 1697499638

[quote=Jelly Flater]And id…
You are king numpty ;)

One of my good friends is a man of palestinian heritage, married to a jewish girl.
A beautiful example of a shared existence and of hope.
- sure they’ve had their share of naysayers (from both sides)…

They provide wonderful and enlightening insights into what life was like there, and what it is like here…
- and how most ppl take the news they see and hear as reality.

It’s not.
And you don’t know shit ;)[/quote]

Ha ha how ironic, i knew you were a knob but fuck me dead you have shown your true colours in this thread.

Im almost certain you had no idea of the long history of Jewish history in Israel going back thousands of years even before Islam was a thing.

Maybe we should all throw in and buy you a ticket to Gazza and we can see how your naive support goes, at least we will would only have to buy a one way ticket.


Jelly Flater, 1697499835

Where’d u get your history from fuckwit ? ;)

Sky news ?

Just coz you’ve been getting a chub from the no result doesn’t make you an expert on world affairs.

I’ve travelled through the middle east numpty boy.
The only gastro coming from you is outta ya mouth ;)
- time to stfu ;);)


eat-your-vegies, 1697499965

Can you please explain this comment.
I’m obviously missing something here.

“long history of Jewish history in Israel going back thousands of years before Islam was even a thing.”


Jelly Flater, 1697500055

Exactly.
King numpty on parade ;)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hOJqLTc6RkU


stunet, 1697500074

Can all Israel Palestine talk shift over to this thread?

https://www.swellnet.com/forums/politico/571321


Roadkill, 1697500500

[quote=andy-mac][quote=Roadkill][quote=andy-mac][quote=Roadkill][quote=andy-mac][quote=Roadkill]How easy for us here living in a nice 1st world mostly peaceful non violent country…to want others to basically take no real actions when the neighbours come over and kill your babies, rape your wives, torture and murder sons and brothers. Hamas will never be peaceful or take the road of non violence…do nothing and they will do the same again.[/quote]

No one said anything about Israel not taking action, the type of action is what is being questioned. You put words into others mouths.
Fact is Israel is just as guilty as causing death a Hamas (a lot more women and children actually), they can just do it from afar with missiles and aircraft.
But what is going to be the end result even if the perfect scenario Hamas are taken out with minimal civilian deaths? What comes after Hamas? I would say will be more extreme and deadly, so no winner there.
Let's have a quick glance at another scenario.
Israel flatten Gaza, heaps of deaths and is televised across the world. Only the USA, UK and Australia will be left supporting that. Mass uprisings in ME, Hezbollah and Iran engage bringing in other ME states who can no longer even pretend to support Israel after their local populations rise up wanting revenge. Other ME states getting involved. Oil prices skyrocket causing severe worldwide depression.
China calls for restraint and most countries of the world now see China as new world leader.
USA enters hot war in ME again involving Iran, Iran get support from China and Russia.... etc etc.
Now is not the time for revenge, but for cool heads and a real start to work out some kind of acceptable solution for all parties in Israel. For this to happen the USA is the only country that can influence Israel as their primary donor and supporter.
Anyway that's my last 2 cents worth, I am getting too upset with whole situation.[/quote]


bullshit. Israel has done and is doing far more to limit civilian deaths than Hamas ever will. Hamas use human shields and cowardly hide behind Palestinian woman and children and Israel hostages. They give zero fucks about their own people....yet, here you are being suckered in and blaming Israel. Hamas are the bad eggs here. wake up

ps...terrorists don't want negotiation[/quote]

Learn to read mate, no where have I blamed Israel.
Trying to understand things rather than jumping on the revenge goodies versus baddies bullshit you are tied up with.[/quote]

quote "Fact is Israel is just as guilty as causing death a Hamas (a lot more women and children actually), they can just do it from afar with missiles and aircraft."[/quote]

Figures don't lie.[/quote]

The truth is better than figures in this case.


Jelly Flater, 1697500506

And… it is ironic… I got a mate called Gazza down the coast ;)

I can pay my own way tho…
One thing is, he can spell ;)

And also doesn’t pretend he knows shit when he doesn’t ;)
- he knows about the long history in the middle east region going back thousands of years before israel was even a thing…

Ironic ;)


Jelly Flater, 1697500760

Stu…
Can you blend the politico thread into all things religion ;)

Haha… no really…
Here’s to a change of pace ;)
Don’t want id to chub out completely…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn38jsIU-Go


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