stunet, 1501561560
One strand of the argument for the ASF development noted that The Spit is a man-made stretch of coast, that it has been drastically altered over the last 50-60 years. Not sure that that's any justification for a height hike from 3 to 45 storeys but it is pretty amazing when you see how the coast has changed:
1937
1968
1970
1985
freeride76, 1501562454
Makes you realise just how incredibly man-made the surf is on the Gold Coast.
Both D-Bah and South Straddy are completely man-made and the the southern Goldy points have been altered just about beyond recognition.
zenagain, 1501562594
Had traffic ever been taken into consideration? I lived on Main Beach Parade at Main Beach for years and years and years and in summer it was like a carpark, can't imagine what it's like now. One road in and out (Seaworld Drive) and they proposed 45 storey unit blocks? Goodness me.
AndyM, 1501565494
At one stage weren't they proposing a bridge from The Spit to Labrador via Wavebreak Island??
Now that would've, umm, opened things up.
braudulio, 1501568715
That wasn't nearish to Tedder Ave in a two storey house in the mid 90's was it?
GuySmiley, 1501574814
This sort of shit is laughable; could all wash away one day soon ...
t-diddy, 1501578675
amazing pics! what is the vantage of the 1970 photo? looking west at the'seaway' ; north is to the right?
davetherave, 1501578789
Come in Donald. Emphasis would be better directed towards inland rail project with solar farm and green house potential. Send water south, grow food, generate electricity. Spit development not feasible because of transport, environmental and social issues. Forget the politics, common sense does have it's merits.
wally, 1501579106
The Southern GC points aren't so different if you first encountered them in the late 60’s when the Tweed River breakwalls had only started to wreak havoc.
zenagain, 1501582055
Corner of Cable St and Main Beach Parade, 2 storey walk up for pretty much the whole of the nineties. Went to Griffith and worked at the Sheraton Mirage. Moved across the road to Amira apartments 'bout '95 into a mates place who offered it to me for $160k. I feel like punching myself in the face every morning for knocking that one back.
kaiser, 1501584890
My Grandfather had a quarter acre off Tedder (Hughes Ave - coupla houses towards the broadwater) that he owned since the 60's. When he died in the 1990's, my father and his siblings sold it for 380k. Dickheads.
sypkan, 1501590836
You'd have to say that's a win...well for most of us...
Geez the Chinese love gaudy development...then again, so does the goldy
I heard there's a pre-fab Chinese resort development north of newcastle that hasn't gone so well.
And there's about to be one on kangaroo island. Pre-fab buildings to be brought in on barges. One way to get around the must employ locals to build stuff laws I guess.
If I was a KI local I'd be asking some serious questions.
Amazing the Newcastle one got the go ahead at all.
One can bag the (once) hippies of the byron shire but I reckon there's a lot to said for their local community engagement in such matters
Nick Bone, 1501617085
Whats happening at KI?
tonybarber, 1501630109
Not sur how many tourists get up there. It's mainly locals only. If they can lock in 3 stories then it's done. Great to leave a part of the GC relatively untouched.
But the sea terminal will impact us, so let's see.
truebluebasher, 1501651218
Spit History.(Part 1)
Sand Spit goes on forever.
Nerang River first hugged the mountain range breaching at Burleigh Point (WSR).
The southern sweep drags whole estuary north with it.
Kombumerri last known rivermouth campsite was at Northcliffe.
Note at this time... N.Stradbroke was still within speaking distance to Moreton Island.
1770 Captain Cook sailed close by Gold Coast noting no river mouth.
1791 Bryant Party were first to navigate/land within Moreton Bay. (Swellnet exclusive)
1821'Hydery crew witness Nerang River breaching Spit.
1822 Bingle notes shallow bar/1822 Edwardson sees bar reform/1823 Oxley sounds bar.
1825 Navigable foreshores are reserved from sale
1829 Convict surfcraft riders surf over Southport Bar.
1862 Portmaster Heath rules out Navigation
1864 Bodybashers tuck into Main Beach rollers
1872 Sand Spit Charter reads..."Reserve for public Purposes."(Same as today)
1877 'Grand Tour'... Surf Safari.
1877 First Boat Passage rock breakwall 3 chains long inside South Head. (Swellnet exclusive)
1896 Jumpinpin Bar (South Stradbroke Island)
1912 Phipp's Surfboard riding at Main Beach
1931 Seaplane landings/1933 Narrowneck Glider Club.
During this time several breaches of ocean shoreline occurred either side of ASF site.
Sandmining to Bomb explosions even Whiteshoe Dirigible Airfield.
The Spit is not man made and will always be considered as part of Sandy Straits.
Fraser Island is 700,000 y/old .The oldest beach in the world.(Home of Surfing)
Spit History (Part 2)
WHITESHOESTOMP'N'TIME.
CCC Belcarra is investigating near all political Casino/resort backers as we speak.
Broadwater Spit shoreline has been a Seaplane/Heliport since 1930's hence 3 story limit.
Low rise Spit Mirage/Versace & Lifeguard Towers are more iconic than any GC High Rise.
GCCC Cruise Ship Terminal site extending adjacent... was chosen for it's 'resortability.'
EPA Scottish Prince Wreck/Reef occupies northern berth.(1/10 vessels will wash Norovirus )
CASA Heliport radius extends beyond Wharf. (Ruling out medium-large ships)
GCCC claim Breakwall will superbank Reef blocking entry also eroding Spit Sand Dunes.
Spit site backtracks drop off again double handles backtracking along jetty. (At port wages!)
GCCC CST report clearly rules out day tours to Surfers Paradise/Casino or anywhere.
GCCC CST Mini Buses x 8 [P] can only return 240 pass/hr backs up their case.
Mayor has ruled out Spit Spur Tram.
Mayor cancelled all Ferry plans to Surfers Paradise/Broadbeach Tram/Casino/Comm Games.
GCCC report also insists No CST [P] + Sea World@ (Airport [P] Rates)
Stu's excellent article rightly focuses on 3 Storey limit .
GCCC doesn't hide the fact that CST is a closed shop whiteshoe resort port rort.
Hi-rise resorts could entertain one or more Ship visits while Sea World does child minding.
However 3 Story resorts have little to no room for even one medium sized cruise ship.
Other CST bids near or Kirra both fall foul of CASA height restrictions.
Breakwater CST aims for 4 x 5,000 pass' Ships... serviced by just 2 x bus bays.(100 pass)
2 Private Tramlines could return 1 shipload (5,000) during an average 4hr stay.
Private backers can ill afford 5km dual laneways of Premium OZ realestate for each ship.
Never has any CST afforded a remotely reasonable payload venture for The Glitterstrip.
Smart-ass locals know the answer! Free on ratepayers +100% local jobs. What do we know?
Disclaimer! Commentator submitted responses to CST/ASF projects.
sypkan, 1501655997
Lots going on in KI, following the upgrade of the airport, which is being done to allow direct flights from interstate, enabling more international tourism.
Already lots of Chinese tourists, as is the case everywhere now. Nothing wrong with that.
Not sure if it's already approved, but there's a Chinese resort earmarked for American river. Again, nothing wrong with that...if the locals approve.
However my friend with her ear to the ground on all things KI tells me the buildings will be shipped in on barges, after being prefabricated in China and assembled here. Sounds a little dodgy to me. And as I said, it seems a little too cleverer way to avoid paying Australians to build the resort.
A guy recently told me a Chinese resort near Anna bay, Newcastle did the same thing. Imported pre-fab buildings from China for a Chinese owned development.
The resort hasn't gone so well. And, Is too close to the sand dunes, it is currently being buried by the dunes and the building of a glass wall has been proposed.
Not saying KI will go the same way. But it is hard to believe it all was approved in the first place. Rumours of the involvement of corruption and Mike Baird are flying around.
China, NSW, and corruption in the same sentence?.....hard to believe
lukas, 1501656776
can you show us more photos from 1937 to 68 please. the snapper swimmin pools to north kirra would be sensational, & perhaps educational. the changes seem up & down but never environmentally friendly.
zenagain, 1501658415
Awesome TrueBlue. Thanks for going to the trouble to put that together.
udo, 1501659927
City of Gold Coast libary online for pics from 1930s onwards...theres a good aerial pic of Southport shoreline from that year....
truebluebasher, 1501665150
Thanks zenagain ! Easy to give a damn with Swellnet's Stu' rising above.(Top read/photos)
We lucky Swellnetonians share in the best surf site in the world.
Dates are excerts from a 3 page Spit timeline I'm working on.
Broadwater's first ship Tabby Tabby (1859) Plied Nerang - Ipswich soon 20 vessels followed.
Arakoon(1877) was first to service interstate Tweed over Southport bar to Brisbane.
Over a dozen Shipwrecks are there if you dig deep enough.
Important to know both Southport & Jumpinpin bars also silted-up during early 1900's.
Calls were common to blast through Main Beach end... near Jubilee bridge.
Credits: [GC storms-east-coast 1770 - 2008] + [Trove Newspapers].
Most special is our Spit protector Gowanda reincarnated as the white tip dolphin.
lukas, 1501742939
cheers
kylenielsen, 1502157953
Amazing pics. I'll have to show my Grandma - my old man told me the river used to break the bank at the Southport Yacht Club when ever it flooded too.
Mort, 1502277038
I would love to say I took part in it. Hey, I offered up. I had this idea that we could do a video of The Spit, while people are recreating.
They talked about it being like that park in New York. I don't think there would be as much litter in the New York Park.
But there is a big fish, like I am sure there must be one in that New York Park.
Mort, 1502277835
I am real happy, like I won a victory, when I wasn't even there. Really, all I had to do was show the video of my girlfriend and me and her granddaughter recreating, that would have won it hands down.
truebluebasher, 1672643145
2nd Jan 2023
Broadwater Seadrome "Helicopter/s Collision"
Gold Coast Tragedy is unfolding @ High Tide on a small sand bank at Seaworld.
"Warning for all to Avoid The Spit!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7y7e6VJwj4
Progressive news...updates
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-02/gold-coast-helicopter-major-incident/101822136
truebluebasher, 1704177306
One year on...Survivors speak...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12913567/Sea-World-crash-survivor-speaks-report-due.html
https://au.news.yahoo.com/mum-six-words-chopper-crashed-222900050.html
SeaWorld grounded choppers on anniversary of tragedy!
2 Jan 2024 "Interim Report" Go to Headline : { Coke deal blows Chopper smash Sky High}
Toxicology : (No Blame) XKQ Fatal Pilot's [+] trace of 4 day "Post - very small dose Coke Exposure!"
Surviving XH9 Pilot : Consented to AOD Tests that never took place thru to Jan 4 Hospital Discharge!
ATSB : 'Low dose of Coke had No Effect on Crash but not something we can shy away from!'
Goldie Mayor : "Don't care! Zero Drug Tolerance for Pilots...Poor performance by Pilot!"
Wow! Explosive!
Chopper Incident...
# Surviving in flight XH9 Pilot saw Ground Passengers of XKQ loading & doors closing...
Thought that they would be clear of Chopper as it would pass behind them...
* XKQ taxiing Radio Call was not picked up by Southport Tower or XH9 Pilot / Passengers
* Neither Pilots made any further radio calls
* XKQ Pilot's Sun Cap! May have shielded the body of in flight XH9 Chopper!
* Markings on Rotors (This was interesting!) Note Windfarms reduced bird strikes with coloured Blade!
* SeaWorld has taken measures to make Choppers more visible
* Seaworld have since adopted greater Air Traffic Control Measures / Systems + (Pad Boss!)
# German Company have been contracted to recreate 3D animated Sight Lines from cockpits
# Dodgy Seatbelt/Lifevest Combos need investigating
Final Report > 4th Quarter 2024.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-02/atsb-seaworld-helicopters-german-experts-investigation/103246078
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/pilot-involved-in-the-tragic-sea-world-helicopter-collision-had-cocaine-in-his-system-an-interim-report-has-found/news-story/450776a548f6faab23dee94cde9ba91a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPY8KP4ieRs