That’s weird, that’s queer, that’s crazy, that deserves a long hard look.

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Roadkill started the topic in Monday, 25 Oct 2021 at 7:04pm
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Roadkill Sunday, 5 Feb 2023 at 10:18am
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https://apple.news/AYulinkGpR_OmJNiSsLS-iw
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Sovereign citizen demands right under the law they reject.

They really are too stupid to see the irony.

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I focus Sunday, 5 Feb 2023 at 10:19am
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Start by looking up postmodernism and also nihilism, then follow that up by searching for some papers on libertarianism.
Then search for how social media platforms polarise opinions and beliefs.
Then factor in globalised neoliberalism and crony capitalism, and how this affects things.

Supa, this little chat started when we were talking about "trusting scientists", or more to the point, choosing which scientists we're going to trust as suits us
i.e. seemingly choosing our own truth.
This choosing our own truth extends in some circles to believing in chemtrails or even that shape-shifting alien lizards control the world.
I listed off a whole lot of "isms" and some other bits and pieces that can be seen to have got us as a society to where we are with regards to often (especially with topics like Covid and vaccinations) not even having a staring point for a conversation any more.
So.
Post-modernism.
This field of philosophy has been around since the 1940s and '50s and rejects certainty surrounding the nature, origin, and scope of knowledge and also rejects the stability of meaning.
Postmodernism dismisses claims that facts are objective and are not influenced by personal feelings or opinions.
Similarly, nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated.
Libertarianism.
This is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as a core value, including freedom of expression, freedom of choice and freedom of movement.
Not surprisingly, modern libertarianism took off in the US in the mid-20th century and of course, has crept its way into the Australian psyche over the past few decades.
American-style liberalism and libertarianism really came to the fore during anti-lockdown protests during Covid.
Next, we can see that social media sites exacerbate social and political polarization by creating “echo chambers” that prevent people from being exposed to information that contradicts their pre-existing beliefs.
Social media sites are poor places for nuanced conversation, especially when users are anonymous and/or looking to "score points" in front of a peer group - social media tends to be highly performative.
Globalised neoliberalism and crony capitalism.
In this case, these refer to the ownership of large media organisations and the intertwined relationship these have with the highest levels of government.
Of course, you can also include big pharma in there.
Clearly, the pursuit of power and money at this level can and does lead to large-scale corruption and the spread of misinformation.

So basically, these days people will happily say the most ridiculous things and back it up by quoting a passable definition of post-modernism.
Even stuff like "people can walk through brick walls" and the like.
It's possible because there's no universal truth, man.
Pre-internet, choosing your own truth was a pretty niche undertaking - things stayed pretty small scale and tended to not reach the critical mass required to sustain them.
Now, you can go and find your own little online community and meet up with likeminded weirdos.
Thousands of them.
Tens of thousands of them.

And it's not surprising that people are so jaded and cynical and confused - the government and the media have been lying to them forever.
It's just that now, they feel they have the intellectual capacity to counter this and they're self-righteous and self-centred enough to carry it through.
Throw in social media and we've got a very interesting set of circumstances.
Choose whatever "truth" you want.
Just because you can.
Because you're worth it.
Fun times.

that is an excellent summary.... Well written.

+1

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seeds Sunday, 5 Feb 2023 at 10:44am
Roadkill wrote:
seeds wrote:

https://apple.news/AYulinkGpR_OmJNiSsLS-iw
Cookerwatch on Twitter if you do Twitter (which I don’t)

Sovereign citizen demands right under the law they reject.

They really are too stupid to see the irony.

Stupidity is the number one selection criteria when applying for Sovereign Citizenship. Haven’t seen any clip of one who can string a sentence together.

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Stuart Lickspittler Sunday, 5 Feb 2023 at 11:15am

What about pseudo-intellectualism? Ultracrepidarianism?

Hee hee.

Corporate media fed and led (and misread...both ends!) - and social media supercharged - lazy thinking, misplaced heuristics get a guernsey or two?

Have a read of Kahneman's Thinking Fast and Slow.

Or at least a CRAAP be-google, ya lazy incurious pollards.

Enjoy your day.

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seeds Sunday, 5 Feb 2023 at 11:22am

pseudo-intellectualism? Uh uh not me. I had to Google Ultracrepidarianism and heuristics. I is dumb. Thanks for the lesson in arrogance!

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AndyM Sunday, 5 Feb 2023 at 12:10pm
Stuart Lickspittler wrote:

What about pseudo-intellectualism? Ultracrepidarianism?

Hee hee.

Corporate media fed and led (and misread...both ends!) - and social media supercharged - lazy thinking, misplaced heuristics get a guernsey or two?

Have a read of Kahneman's Thinking Fast and Slow.

Or at least a CRAAP be-google, ya lazy incurious pollards.

Enjoy your day.

Yeah a mate of mine read that, says it’s good
He says it’s like a beginners three-step guide to post modernism -
1. Have no faith in yourself
2. Don’t trust anything
3. Stay confused

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Roadkill wrote:
seeds wrote:

https://apple.news/AYulinkGpR_OmJNiSsLS-iw
Cookerwatch on Twitter if you do Twitter (which I don’t)

Sovereign citizen demands right under the law they reject.

They really are too stupid to see the irony.

Ahhhh the toady favourite. He needs some click bait to feed his addiction.

He’s in a cult.

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Supafreak Sunday, 5 Feb 2023 at 4:02pm

They walk amongst us

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Supafreak Sunday, 5 Feb 2023 at 5:28pm

@Andy M what ism does Mal come under ?

there’s some gold in the comments section

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AndyM Sunday, 5 Feb 2023 at 6:19pm

Almost certainly populism, only because I'm pretty sure that fuckwitism isn't a thing in political science.
Looks like one of the commenters had it right - cannibalism.

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AndyM Sunday, 5 Feb 2023 at 6:21pm

Hahaha!

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Roadkill Sunday, 5 Feb 2023 at 6:39pm
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Almost certainly populism, only because I'm pretty sure that fuckwitism isn't a thing in political science.
Looks like one of the commenters had it right - cannibalism.

That is super funny….cannibalism!

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FriarTuck Sunday, 5 Feb 2023 at 6:54pm
burleigh wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
seeds wrote:

https://apple.news/AYulinkGpR_OmJNiSsLS-iw
Cookerwatch on Twitter if you do Twitter (which I don’t)

Sovereign citizen demands right under the law they reject.

They really are too stupid to see the irony.

Ahhhh the toady favourite. He needs some click bait to feed his addiction.

He’s in a cult.

He’s the guru

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Westofthelake Sunday, 5 Feb 2023 at 8:47pm
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Hahaha!

#Yagottolarf

Fo-Jy-IKoa-AAErc81

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AndyM Sunday, 5 Feb 2023 at 9:29pm

Dunno if we should trust the science on this one.
Could be a left-wing plot to undermine the civilised world.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/05/clue-to-rising-sea-levels-...

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southernraw Sunday, 5 Feb 2023 at 10:34pm
AndyM wrote:
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Start by looking up postmodernism and also nihilism, then follow that up by searching for some papers on libertarianism.
Then search for how social media platforms polarise opinions and beliefs.
Then factor in globalised neoliberalism and crony capitalism, and how this affects things.

Supa, this little chat started when we were talking about "trusting scientists", or more to the point, choosing which scientists we're going to trust as suits us
i.e. seemingly choosing our own truth.
This choosing our own truth extends in some circles to believing in chemtrails or even that shape-shifting alien lizards control the world.
I listed off a whole lot of "isms" and some other bits and pieces that can be seen to have got us as a society to where we are with regards to often (especially with topics like Covid and vaccinations) not even having a staring point for a conversation any more.
So.
Post-modernism.
This field of philosophy has been around since the 1940s and '50s and rejects certainty surrounding the nature, origin, and scope of knowledge and also rejects the stability of meaning.
Postmodernism dismisses claims that facts are objective and are not influenced by personal feelings or opinions.
Similarly, nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated.
Libertarianism.
This is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as a core value, including freedom of expression, freedom of choice and freedom of movement.
Not surprisingly, modern libertarianism took off in the US in the mid-20th century and of course, has crept its way into the Australian psyche over the past few decades.
American-style liberalism and libertarianism really came to the fore during anti-lockdown protests during Covid.
Next, we can see that social media sites exacerbate social and political polarization by creating “echo chambers” that prevent people from being exposed to information that contradicts their pre-existing beliefs.
Social media sites are poor places for nuanced conversation, especially when users are anonymous and/or looking to "score points" in front of a peer group - social media tends to be highly performative.
Globalised neoliberalism and crony capitalism.
In this case, these refer to the ownership of large media organisations and the intertwined relationship these have with the highest levels of government.
Of course, you can also include big pharma in there.
Clearly, the pursuit of power and money at this level can and does lead to large-scale corruption and the spread of misinformation.

So basically, these days people will happily say the most ridiculous things and back it up by quoting a passable definition of post-modernism.
Even stuff like "people can walk through brick walls" and the like.
It's possible because there's no universal truth, man.
Pre-internet, choosing your own truth was a pretty niche undertaking - things stayed pretty small scale and tended to not reach the critical mass required to sustain them.
Now, you can go and find your own little online community and meet up with likeminded weirdos.
Thousands of them.
Tens of thousands of them.

And it's not surprising that people are so jaded and cynical and confused - the government and the media have been lying to them forever.
It's just that now, they feel they have the intellectual capacity to counter this and they're self-righteous and self-centred enough to carry it through.
Throw in social media and we've got a very interesting set of circumstances.
Choose whatever "truth" you want.
Just because you can.
Because you're worth it.
Fun times.

Stoned'ism'?
https://pics.me.me/i-dont-always-smoke-weed-everyday-but-when-ido-its-18...

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Robwilliams Sunday, 5 Feb 2023 at 11:46pm

Nailed it Andy

now more than ever whatever you can fit to float but what did we expect when we have substituted and been encourage to trust and embrace artificial intillegence at no question

we sacrificed our kids with out a blink of an eyelid the modern world should only expect to be delivered what it accepts

here's to cults shape shifting lizards and walking through walls and being lead up the garden path time and time again if we are not lead we follow
regardless of truth but what is truth

this is the modern world we have made and accepted Humerously rediculous or is it

nows where's those lizards we've got shapes to shift and cults to build vaxed or unvaxed all are welcome bring your kids dollars and lizards we are aiming for mars nothing can stop us if it fits it flys come one come all this is the modern age artificial or not the cults are only growing stronger lizard by lizard child by child see you when you get to mars

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wax24 Sunday, 5 Feb 2023 at 11:42pm

Had to spit out the sip of water i just took upon opening your link, Southern. Thanx for the belly laugh.

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AndyM Monday, 6 Feb 2023 at 9:54am

Nothing like ceremonial grade cacao and some Nepalese singing bowls to heal trauma.
#wellness
#blessed

"Event description

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Join me Dan Pauro,

For this 3-hour Cacao, Sound and Spirit Breath Journey into the Heart!

Diving deep within, we will explore the power of Ceremonial grade Cacao. Cacao is a powerful medicine that allows for heart connection, self-exploration, expansion, and growth, this cacao elixir will be offered on the day.

SPIRIT BREATHWORK

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https://events.humanitix.com/northern-rivers-heart-awakening-or-cacao-br...

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Stuart Lickspittler Monday, 6 Feb 2023 at 10:50am

NSWism. QLDism. Rugby League-ism?

Post-Swellnetiism??

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Stuart Lickspittler Monday, 6 Feb 2023 at 10:54am

Poorly digested junk going in, same shit sprayed out.

Burp. Parp.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hovercraft-full-eels/202010/heur...

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Roadkill Monday, 6 Feb 2023 at 10:59am

After learning how to breath, you could go to Pete and learn how not to eat.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/disgraced-celebrity-chef-pet...

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Supafreak Monday, 6 Feb 2023 at 11:03am

AA104544-C055-46-DF-A457-34206-FD9-B3-D9

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burleigh Monday, 6 Feb 2023 at 11:16am

Santaism - when you only come once per year. Hey Toadkill

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Jelly Flater Monday, 6 Feb 2023 at 11:32am

Science ;)

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Stuart Lickspittler Monday, 6 Feb 2023 at 11:47am

Waaaay back...

Now we got YouTube.

Good luck with this then:

https://dl.acm.org/doi/fullHtml/10.1145/3428157

*Sorry, there wasn't a podcast tube thingy

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burleigh Monday, 6 Feb 2023 at 12:17pm
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After learning how to breath, you could go to Pete and learn how not to eat.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/disgraced-celebrity-chef-pet...

The toad triggered by a fasting retreat but not triggered by his 3 vaccines not protecting him from his bad experience from Covid is hilarious.

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Supafreak Monday, 6 Feb 2023 at 3:03pm

You know that unwelcome guest everyone wishes would just leave already ?

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Supafreak Monday, 6 Feb 2023 at 3:44pm
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https://www.news.com.au/sport/more-sports/surfing-icon-to-will-boycott-e...

A different division sounds like the best solution for all sports.

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Welcome to the lucky country. lmao
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-06/farooq-latief-guilty-over-covid-b...

The organiser of a "secret" New Year's Eve party at a Perth bar has been found guilty of breaching COVID-19 restrictions by allowing partygoers to dance and drink standing up. hahahahahaha

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udo Tuesday, 7 Feb 2023 at 12:54pm
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burleigh Tuesday, 7 Feb 2023 at 3:04pm
udo wrote:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CoVjGeUuXGB/

So you happy to say that he works or worked at Pfizer?

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udo Tuesday, 7 Feb 2023 at 3:46pm

I still agree with this Lady

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Pfizer Director : Jordon Walker - People are now trying to verify whether he works at Pfizer. Let’s assume that he does work at Pfizer for now. His title is Director of R&D Operations and Scientific Planning.
Everyone should understand that this area is NOT a science area. He does not work in a lab. He pushes paper, makes powerpoints and other documents .

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udo wrote:

I still agree with this Lady

udo wrote:

Pfizer Director : Jordon Walker - People are now trying to verify whether he works at Pfizer. Let’s assume that he does work at Pfizer for now. His title is Director of R&D Operations and Scientific Planning.
Everyone should understand that this area is NOT a science area. He does not work in a lab. He pushes paper, makes powerpoints and other documents .

nocluedo strikes again. almost as good at deflecting as AndyM.

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Supafreak Tuesday, 7 Feb 2023 at 3:52pm
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Welcome to the lucky country. lmao
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-06/farooq-latief-guilty-over-covid-b...

The organiser of a "secret" New Year's Eve party at a Perth bar has been found guilty of breaching COVID-19 restrictions by allowing partygoers to dance and drink standing up. hahahahahaha

Trust the science on this one ? It really did get ridiculous.

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Supafreak wrote:
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Welcome to the lucky country. lmao
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-06/farooq-latief-guilty-over-covid-b...

The organiser of a "secret" New Year's Eve party at a Perth bar has been found guilty of breaching COVID-19 restrictions by allowing partygoers to dance and drink standing up. hahahahahaha

Trust the science on this one ? It really did get ridiculous.

The gritters here celebrated this at the time. And the unvaccinated being locked out of society for public safety.

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udo Tuesday, 7 Feb 2023 at 5:12pm
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udo wrote:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CoVjGeUuXGB/

So you happy to say that he works or worked at Pfizer?

Leaked document shows Pfizer admitting Dr. Jordon Walker works at the company and warns staff to beware of Project Veritas

No mention of him in there Burleigh ?

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burleigh Tuesday, 7 Feb 2023 at 5:17pm
udo wrote:
burleigh wrote:
udo wrote:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CoVjGeUuXGB/

So you happy to say that he works or worked at Pfizer?

Leaked document shows Pfizer admitting Dr. Jordon Walker works at the company and warns staff to beware of Project Veritas

No mention of him in there Burleigh ?

"we are aware and are managing a recent incident where one of our colleagues was baited into a conversation in a social situation and recorded without their knowledge"

What more do you want gritter?

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udo Tuesday, 7 Feb 2023 at 5:25pm

Colleague...

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burleigh Tuesday, 7 Feb 2023 at 5:32pm
udo wrote:

Colleague...

Hey udu, what's 1 + 1? i'll give you a clue, its not a banana.

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udo Tuesday, 7 Feb 2023 at 6:32pm

WoW - Dr Jordan is 3 steps below the CEO of Pfizer...

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burleigh Tuesday, 7 Feb 2023 at 7:08pm
udo wrote:

WoW - Dr Jordan is 3 steps below the CEO of Pfizer...
https://youtu.be/jz0QOJYJFZo

Udo you sound a bit triggered. Someone else bothering you?

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FriarTuck Wednesday, 8 Feb 2023 at 7:07am
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burleigh Wednesday, 8 Feb 2023 at 7:30am
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More $$

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/all-adults-to-be-offered-fifth-...

Because of the first four didn’t protect you, the fifth will.

Roadkill, AndyM, olddog. Go roll up your sleeves boys. This is the science and experts you keep banging on about.

If you don’t, I will label you a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist.

Old dog, what does the receptionist think?

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FriarTuck Wednesday, 8 Feb 2023 at 8:16am

Dr's silenced re vaccine injuries.

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