2022 Election

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blindboy started the topic in Saturday, 13 Nov 2021 at 7:46am

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AndyM Friday, 30 Sep 2022 at 7:54pm

Redgum

"And there's Lear jets over Kulgera
Where the dust dances in the heat
Sing a song for the poor young little rich country
As they buy it from under our feet
And LTDs in Hawker
And talk of a tracking base
Talking mineral yields in uranium fields
And looking like they own the place"

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andy-mac Friday, 30 Sep 2022 at 8:13pm

Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its luck. It lives on other people's ideas, and, although its ordinary people are adaptable, most of its leaders (in all fields) so lack curiosity about the events that surround them that they are often taken by surprise.
Author: Donald Horne
Publication date: 1964

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bonza Friday, 30 Sep 2022 at 8:27pm
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"encouraged foreign investment"

That's one term for it.

Yeah that's what governments do, they try to encourage foreign companies to invest thats why they even pay them with subsidies for exploration ect.

Because these companies have the choice of investing anywhere in the world, them investing in the industry here returns billions to the government and the economy rather than to another country who have the same natural resources..

Yeah , great point Indo.

These energy companies could’ve instead invested in that other politically and geographically stable developed nation with shit tonnes of natural gas….

Oh, that’s right. No such place fucking exists.

According to this there is 50 countries with greater reservers and 3 other countries with the same amount, yes almost all these countries are not developed nations many with issues, which can be a negative but can also be a positive for getting a good price especially through corruption or just low cost of doing business with less hassle jumping through hoops and red tape, so id assume for these companies there is pros and cons they weigh up against many different factors..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_natural_gas_proven_re...

That’s your argument?
My cronyism is better than their cronyism. We’ve got tax free trusts and shell companies to rival nigeria. Sing it

DSDS is spot on on this one

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Supafreak Friday, 30 Sep 2022 at 9:43pm

No mention of the actual price we will be paying…….“This agreement will ensure Australians continue to have access to secure and reliable gas,” King said. “The new supply commitments, and [agreement], will deliver gas to the domestic market when needed, and ensures future uncontracted gas will be offered to the domestic market first, on competitive and reasonable terms, before it is offered for export.” …………For that uncontracted gas, “the principle” would be that domestic gas customers will not pay more than international customers for the gas, the government said……….still not crystal clear what we will be paying yet but no doubt we will find out soon enough . https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/sep/29/australian-govern.... https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/put-us-first-industry-union-slam.... https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/sep/30/labors-deal-with-.... But industry and consumer groups said prices being offered were as high as $70/GJ. At that price, everything from groceries to electricity bills will continue to climb, they said.

“Getting sufficient volumes of Australian sourced gas to supply the Australian market should never be a question we need to answer,” the chief executive of the Energy Users’ Association of Australia (EUAA), Andrew Richards, said. “[It] seems we will have plenty of gas, it’s just a pity that nobody will be able to afford it.” “Gas producers have got to recognise that they have a role to play in meeting the national interest and not working against it,” the industry minister, Ed Husic, told ABC’s RN Breakfast on Friday.

“There is definitely room there to supply at prices for an Australian resource that meets the needs of Australian manufacturers and households,” he said.

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freeride76 Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 6:05am

Great rock'n'roll swindle.

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Distracted Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 6:47am
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When this topic comes up there's always an idea thrown about that we get nothing in return for gas sold OS, which just isn't true even when companies dont pay company tax they still pay a shit load in royalties and rents(hence why dont pay company tax), the income paid to government state or federal is said to be about 5 billion a year (not sure if that includes payroll tax), and the oil & gas industries contribution through employment, supporting other industries and facilitating regional growth, was measured by AGIT (Australian Gas Industry Trust) at almost $500 billion a year.

Hence why both LNP and Labor have encouraged foreign investment in the industry.

ID, if the gas companies were paying heaps of royalties then everyone would be a lot happier, but the problem is, they pay sweet FA.
https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/two-thirds-of-wa-gas-given-away-v...

Labour would have the support of the people if it implemented a new resource tax on gas now. If they don’t do anything then I’d agree with DSDSs sentiments, i.e there is corruption involved.

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Supafreak Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 7:42am

Was this such a bad idea 12 years ago ? Mining of coal , gas and iron ore are all making record profits. https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/rudd-downplays-resources-tax-showdow....

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andy-mac Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 8:57am
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Was this such a bad idea 12 years ago ? Mining of coal , gas and iron ore are all making record profits. https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/rudd-downplays-resources-tax-showdow....

Was a great idea, was sabotaged by the usual suspects in the mining, fossil fuels industry, Murdoch and other msm outlets and Abbott getting the support to bark his bullshit from the above. Remember billionaires Twiggy and Gina putting on working clothes standing on the back of utes telling the Australian people it would destroy the economy.

Well

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 9:45am
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When this topic comes up there's always an idea thrown about that we get nothing in return for gas sold OS, which just isn't true even when companies dont pay company tax they still pay a shit load in royalties and rents(hence why dont pay company tax), the income paid to government state or federal is said to be about 5 billion a year (not sure if that includes payroll tax), and the oil & gas industries contribution through employment, supporting other industries and facilitating regional growth, was measured by AGIT (Australian Gas Industry Trust) at almost $500 billion a year.

Hence why both LNP and Labor have encouraged foreign investment in the industry.

ID, if the gas companies were paying heaps of royalties then everyone would be a lot happier, but the problem is, they pay sweet FA.
https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/two-thirds-of-wa-gas-given-away-v...

Labour would have the support of the people if it implemented a new resource tax on gas now. If they don’t do anything then I’d agree with DSDSs sentiments, i.e there is corruption involved.

All governments try to get as much revenue as they can from these companies the idea they dont is just silly they want money the more they get the more they can spend and of course they want the other benefits of employment and other aspects that flow on, the thing is it's a balancing act between keeping investment and encouraging further investment or discouraging investment.

Yeah sure simple minds just think let's tax them as high as we can and it's a vote winner especially for Labor or Green voters, as every answer to any question to them is a tax.

But its not a smart move in the long term, all you do is encourage these companies to look for ways to save paying taxes and you discourage investment instead of encouraging investment and in the long run we all lose out as companies go okay well long term we can get a much better deal elsewhere, thats the reality of a global market.

As for everyone being happy, many people would never be happy no matter how much tax or other payments these companies paid, sadly there is people who just enjoy whinging who crave feeling hard done by and even worse now we have grifters on social media who play on these peoples naivety and stoke their discontent.

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andy-mac Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 9:47am
indo-dreaming wrote:
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indo-dreaming wrote:

When this topic comes up there's always an idea thrown about that we get nothing in return for gas sold OS, which just isn't true even when companies dont pay company tax they still pay a shit load in royalties and rents(hence why dont pay company tax), the income paid to government state or federal is said to be about 5 billion a year (not sure if that includes payroll tax), and the oil & gas industries contribution through employment, supporting other industries and facilitating regional growth, was measured by AGIT (Australian Gas Industry Trust) at almost $500 billion a year.

Hence why both LNP and Labor have encouraged foreign investment in the industry.

ID, if the gas companies were paying heaps of royalties then everyone would be a lot happier, but the problem is, they pay sweet FA.
https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/two-thirds-of-wa-gas-given-away-v...

Labour would have the support of the people if it implemented a new resource tax on gas now. If they don’t do anything then I’d agree with DSDSs sentiments, i.e there is corruption involved.

All governments try to get as much revenue as they can from these companies the idea they dont is just silly they want money the more they get the more they can spend and of course they want the other benefits of employment and other aspects that flow on, the thing is it's a balancing act between keeping investment and encouraging further investment or discouraging investment.

Yeah sure simple minds just think let's tax them as high as we can and it's a vote winner especially for Labor or Green voters, as every answer to any question to them is a tax.

But its not a smart move in the long term, all you do is encourage these companies to look for ways to save paying taxes and you discourage investment instead of encouraging investment and in the long run we all lose out as companies go okay well long term we can get a much better deal elsewhere, thats the reality of a global market.

As for everyone being happy, many people would never be happy no matter how much tax these companies paid, sadly there is people who just enjoy whinging who crave feeling hard done by.

Yeah rightio, corruption is all good and giving away our resources for a pittance is fine. If you're not ok with that you must be a whinging Green or Labor voter, or Jordies Zombie....
Fark Jesus wept ....

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Supafreak Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 10:25am

If a company stands to make 100 billion profit over 10 years then gets told it’s going to be taxed 40% of its profit so will only make 60 billion, do you think they would pull out of the operation ?

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andy-mac Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 11:02am
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If a company stands to make 100 billion profit over 10 years then gets told it’s going to be taxed 40% of its profit so will only make 60 billion, do you think they would pull out of the operation ?

Yep they would pull out of operations immediately like what happened in Qatar and Norway!

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrRexPatrick/status/1516172792181395456

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frog Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 11:46am

Super profits in mining in general are not common and can be fleeting during spikes in certain commodity prices. Life of mines can be short and the good periods have to pay for all the exploration, development and post mining rehabilitation. A one size fits all approach to high tax or royalty payments, based on best case scenarios / unusual global situations and applicable through busts as well as booms would be very harmful. The lean times for many miners can last years and even decades. Without the prospect of decent "winning" periods and profit & dividend returns, most shareholders (from retail to super funds) would not bother investing in them.

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Supafreak Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 12:06pm

@frog , what have been the lean times for mining in the last 20 years ? Yes certain minerals have dropped in price and mines closed but Gorgon life is expected to be a minimum of 50 years . I do understand what you’re saying though.

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 12:55pm
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If a company stands to make 100 billion profit over 10 years then gets told it’s going to be taxed 40% of its profit so will only make 60 billion, do you think they would pull out of the operation ?

There would be so many factors involved that they would weigh up like the life of the mine and how much the mine is set to produce in future years etc, but yeah 100% it would be seen as a huge negative and could affect future plans for current and future mining operations in the country.

It's a global market investment goes where the most money is to be made, you encourage investment with subsides and discourage investment with things like taxes, rents, royalties.

Obviously you need to find a balance between the two where both parties are happy, but end of the day its generally based on the global market you compete in.

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Supafreak Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 1:22pm

Life of the mine was something frog mentioned , looking at whaleback ( bhp newman ) going now for 60 plus years plus there are satellite ore bodies surrounding it and Australian taxpayers funded the original railway from newman to hedland . Area C has hills of iron ore that haven’t even been touched yet and on today’s volumes they would last 200+ years . Gorgon as mentioned before 50+ years . Other countries manage to get a far better deal from their resources than Australia, my question is WHY ?

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frog Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 2:00pm
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@frog , what have been the lean times for mining in the last 20 years ? Yes certain minerals have dropped in price and mines closed but Gorgon life is expected to be a minimum of 50 years . I do understand what you’re saying though.

I am talking mining generally. Twiggy might have made megabucks but across the sector it is highly variable. Super profits that can be sustained are just occasional rare events.

Most explorers just lose and lose hoping for a major discovery. Even BHP blows it on some big projects.

If you ever invested in mining stocks or watched commodity prices you would never think of it overall as an easy or certain or particularly profitable sector. It is tough with some big winners now and then that create the headlines.

Even Twiggy and FMG in the early days was seen as a highly risky and uncertain bet for years. Lots of clever people sold FMG for under 50 cents per share and lower way back cause they did not expect it to survive. Now it is over $16.

Lots of commodities have had long periods of low prices over the past 20 years. So many times prices spike up and everyone says a new super cycle in a particular commodity or class of commodities is about to occur. People pile in to relevant explorers and miners. More often than not something comes in to upset the apple cart within a year or two (economic down turn, competition from closed mines opening back up to catch the higher prices, substitution of other products etc.). The good times rarely seem to last long with a few exceptions.

So by the time a super profits tax hits often the super profits will be gone. Or, investors will just give up and go elsewhere. And, as the sector just sucks up capital like a sponge to keep rolling it would then struggle big time.

Again, a one size fits all super profit tax is just unfair and counterproductive.

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flollo Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 3:34pm
Supafreak wrote:

If a company stands to make 100 billion profit over 10 years then gets told it’s going to be taxed 40% of its profit so will only make 60 billion, do you think they would pull out of the operation ?

The short answer is no, especially during good times (which there were plenty of). They should be taxed good, no questions asked. And even if they some wanted to leave let them leave.

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Supafreak Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 3:43pm

I’m not so sure about super profits being rare events. I was working on various BHP sites in 2006 -2016 and in 2007/08 the price on the spot market was $180 with a production cost at the time of $20 per tonne. The big 3 for australia , coal , iron ore and gas have had a pretty good return the last 20 odd years with gas only coming on stronger than ever recently. There was a slow period for iron ore and rio & bhp were just making a small margin after cost but that period didn’t last long . Twiggy’s investors that made a fortune, were the ones that bought in early before the shares were split.

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flollo Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 3:44pm

They’re not going to pull out of the existing operation if you start taxing them a bit more. Sure, it might impact lower return on capital on future projects but a good, flexible and agile government can surely work out a nice balance. And if they need help there are plenty of experts who can do it for them. The key is to be agile and ready for a market response so you can manage the cycles properly. Nothing needs to stay forever.

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Supafreak Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 5:30pm

Looking back at this chart in USD , there’s a lot of super profit years going back to 2007 https://www.statista.com/statistics/282830/iron-ore-prices-since-2003/. This link mentions production cost and other things. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/030215/how-iron-ore-mark... …….My previous post about price and cost was from memory in AUD

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indo-dreaming Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 5:31pm
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@frog , what have been the lean times for mining in the last 20 years ? Yes certain minerals have dropped in price and mines closed but Gorgon life is expected to be a minimum of 50 years . I do understand what you’re saying though.

I am talking mining generally. Twiggy might have made megabucks but across the sector it is highly variable. Super profits that can be sustained are just occasional rare events.

Most explorers just lose and lose hoping for a major discovery. Even BHP blows it on some big projects.

If you ever invested in mining stocks or watched commodity prices you would never think of it overall as an easy or certain or particularly profitable sector. It is tough with some big winners now and then that create the headlines.

Even Twiggy and FMG in the early days was seen as a highly risky and uncertain bet for years. Lots of clever people sold FMG for under 50 cents per share and lower way back cause they did not expect it to survive. Now it is over $16.

Lots of commodities have had long periods of low prices over the past 20 years. So many times prices spike up and everyone says a new super cycle in a particular commodity or class of commodities is about to occur. People pile in to relevant explorers and miners. More often than not something comes in to upset the apple cart within a year or two (economic down turn, competition from closed mines opening back up to catch the higher prices, substitution of other products etc.). The good times rarely seem to last long with a few exceptions.

So by the time a super profits tax hits often the super profits will be gone. Or, investors will just give up and go elsewhere. And, as the sector just sucks up capital like a sponge to keep rolling it would then struggle big time.

Again, a one size fits all super profit tax is just unfair and counterproductive.

Good informative post

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frog Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 6:13pm
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I’m not so sure about super profits being rare events. I was working on various BHP sites in 2006 -2016 and in 2007/08 the price on the spot market was $180 with a production cost at the time of $20 per tonne. The big 3 for australia , coal , iron ore and gas have had a pretty good return the last 20 odd years with gas only coming on stronger than ever recently. There was a slow period for iron ore and rio & bhp were just making a small margin after cost but that period didn’t last long . Twiggy’s investors that made a fortune, were the ones that bought in early before the shares were split.

Iron ore has been very good for a few big miners.

But the trails and tribulations of Venture Minerals Limited with iron ore in trying to commercialise a smallish but high grade deposit make sobering reading and add dimensions to the mining story most never see.

In short they "pushed the huge rock up the hill" and in 2021 when iron ore price peaked made their first shipment - a big milestone. Then it rolled back on top of them when prices plunged 62% in a short period soon after the champagne corks popped.

"2021 was full of noteworthy milestones, namely the first shipment of iron ore from Venture’s Riley mine .....
Venture Minerals (ASX:VMS) had reached steady state iron production from Riley in August and made its first shipment of iron ore before suspending operations due to the rapidly declining price of 62% iron from US$230 per tonne to US$106/t.

Below break even. Funding dries up. Plant mothballed. Shareholders sell. That is a big part of the mining story we rarely hear about in the MSM.

Share price hit 10.5c. Now 2.8c. Recession ahead. More pain and losses to come.

Some mines mostly owned by the big 3 have huge deposits of good grades and can survive in low price times and make big money in the peaks.

Most are not so fortunate. The scariest time for many new miners is often when they first go into production - so much capital has been spent and so much can go wrong. Often a price decline cycle hits at just the wrong time. It can get brutal where the big customer they had signed up just stops buying soon after all the plant is built and first shipment has occurred and then waits for the bankruptcy to buy out the totally exposed miner for pennies. Shareholders get close to zero for their troubles.

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gsco Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 6:15pm

ahh Australian stock market investors absolutely love their little speculative miners, they're just like playing the pokies, all part of the investment community culture

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velocityjohnno Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 6:34pm

one powerball and I'm outta here

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Supafreak Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 7:00pm

@frog , I’m not following what happened here ….. "2021 was full of noteworthy milestones, namely the first shipment of iron ore from Venture’s Riley mine .....
Venture Minerals (ASX:VMS) had reached steady state iron production from Riley in August and made its first shipment of iron ore before suspending operations due to the rapidly declining price of 62% iron from US$230 per tonne to US$106/t. ……..this price of US106 is still a very good profit margain if your production costs are similar to BHP / FMG of US $12.65 per tonne , do you know what their production costs were ?

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frog Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 7:40pm

Supa, I don't know the cost structure details for VMS but BHP and / FMG are just remarkable and unique situations with low costs per tonne due to the massive deposit, good grades and sunk costs are spread across huge volumes of ore.

I think VMS has a small deposit and a short mine life to make the whole thing work it needs to pull out a lot of profit in a short time period to cover all the set up and other costs. Unless the iron ore price is high it just does not work. Or perhaps it is like a piggy bank they can only raid once and will only do so when the ore price makes it worthwhile - to give them a base of cash to fund other projects.

Many unbuilt mines would actually be profitable at not so high prices but because no bank loan or share raising will ever occur until the margins are super attractive they never get funded. On paper they might look good but can sit there for decades doing nothing.

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Supafreak Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 7:59pm

It sounds like a bad gamble that didn’t pay off . I remember a small company that had a mine near wodgina 100 klms out of hedland, they were hoping to use FMGs rail into port hedland but twiggy never gave them a schedule so they were trucking it in . As soon as price dropped they were doomed.

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bonza Saturday, 1 Oct 2022 at 10:29pm

“Shareholders get close to zero for their troubles”

And Taxpayers get worse as they inevitable are the ones who pay for the remediation of abandoned mine sites to manage the enviro costs thanks to inadequate and unenforced environmental mineral company bonds. Another “…big part of the mining story we rarely hear about in the MSM.”’

Cry me a tailings laden river about so called fairness taxes on super profits for the mining industry.

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GuySmiley Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 10:46am

@blowin, please don't selectively (mis)quote me on a matter I commented on re: the Federal ICAC to make a point (??) on the AU gas exports which if your were paying attention you would know I also believe govt's on both sides have sold us out completely.

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GuySmiley Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 8:08pm

I see @info’s favs Jacinta Price, Warren Mundine and Anthony Dillon are all speaking at the CPAC conference along with a collection of total ratbags. Talking about selling out, I guess the appearance money must be good.

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Supafreak Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 8:19pm

Here’s some more of the line up at cpac…… Among those speaking at the event are anti-immigration campaigner Nigel Farage, former Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott, One Nation’s NSW leader Mark Latham, as well as federal senators Matt Canavan, Jacinta Price, Alex Antic and Malcolm Roberts. https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/protesters-call-for-end-to-far...

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Robwilliams Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 8:49pm

Pompous self serving conservative cunts, nothing more. The far right can fuck right off. Eat them alive if we ever have to, one morsel at a time. No sympathy for those who create division or oppress the minorities. Vote with your feet and keep calling them what they are. True cunts. Did that corrupt evangelistic prick scomo show up? He'd fit right in. Its not simple conservatism that I take offence to but some of the lingering effects of underhanded rightwing policy that are actively encouraged. Tony stood for little and still gets a voice, fuck off. They are all far from a class act at Australias expense. Can't believe we paid for these pricks.

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AndyM Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 8:36pm

Sounds like a barrel of laughs.

Is that the same Jacinta Price who was accused by Indigenous community groups of "spreading racist vitriol"?
The same Jacinta Price whom Marcia Langton said "legitimises racist views by speaking them against her own people"?

Quality.

Jacinta can hang out and eat an onion with Tony Abbott and then have a crack at trans people with ex-Liberal candidate Katherine Deves.

Fuggin bewdy.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 8:48pm
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Here’s some more of the line up at cpac…… Among those speaking at the event are anti-immigration campaigner Nigel Farage, former Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott, One Nation’s NSW leader Mark Latham, as well as federal senators Matt Canavan, Jacinta Price, Alex Antic and Malcolm Roberts. https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/protesters-call-for-end-to-far...

Ha ha this is pretty funny, firstly barely new worthy a crowd of what?...maybe a dozen max.

"Sydney-based activist groups are protesting outside of a conference in Sydney, where former Prime Minister Tony Abbott is the keynote speaker.
The Community Action for Rainbow Rights (CARR) and Campaign Against Racism and Fascism (CARF) "

Yet they are calling for an end to others political views?

"Protesters call for end to far-right politics as ex-PM takes stage at conservative conference"

That's pretty fascist

And anti racist? they have a Black lives matter banner, a racial divisive group who cause months of social unrest and billions in damage looting and rioting for months even about 30 dead and and another sign seems to be some social alliance group or something.

FFS complete nutters, however even those on the right or conservatives like mussel, who dont agree with crazy far left views and totally despise their beliefs, still acknowledge peoples political rights and freedoms to have a view that differs from my own.

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Robwilliams Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 8:50pm

When are you going to put your real name up? Still afraid of being judged for your core values? piss weak

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 8:52pm
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I see @info’s favs Jacinta Price, Warren Mundine and Anthony Dillon are all speaking at the CPAC conference along with a collection of total ratbags. Talking about selling out, I guess the appearance money must be good.

Um can you please explain how conservatives appearing at a conservative function is selling out????

Makes no sense at all, if they get paid great that's their job, i mean please they are conservatives we believe in free markets and right to earn money for services provided, its not like they are marxist and capitalist and against the whole system, but still happy to be paid.

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Robwilliams Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 9:06pm

They are are against the far left and anyone who doesn't fit their agenda. Nothing inclusive about some of their comments, statements and actions over the years. And just for the record i believe in freedom of speech but just hate cunts. You could roll them in glitter and the'd still be cunts. left right or somewhere in-between. Don't be a cunt.

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Supafreak Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 9:06pm
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Supafreak wrote:

Here’s some more of the line up at cpac…… Among those speaking at the event are anti-immigration campaigner Nigel Farage, former Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott, One Nation’s NSW leader Mark Latham, as well as federal senators Matt Canavan, Jacinta Price, Alex Antic and Malcolm Roberts. https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/protesters-call-for-end-to-far...

Ha ha this is pretty funny, firstly barely new worthy a crowd of what?...maybe a dozen max.

"Sydney-based activist groups are protesting outside of a conference in Sydney, where former Prime Minister Tony Abbott is the keynote speaker.
The Community Action for Rainbow Rights (CARR) and Campaign Against Racism and Fascism (CARF) "

Yet they are calling for an end to others political views?

"Protesters call for end to far-right politics as ex-PM takes stage at conservative conference"

That's pretty fascist

And anti racist? they have a Black lives matter banner, a racial divisive group who cause months of social unrest and billions in damage looting and rioting for months even about 30 dead and and another sign seems to be some social alliance group or something.

FFS complete nutters, however even those on the right or conservatives like mussel, who dont agree with crazy far left views and totally despise their beliefs, still acknowledge peoples political rights and freedoms to have a view that differs from my own.

Yeah I thought it was pretty funny, the whole show including the protesters . Gotta admit some great speakers in that lot . Do ya think AJ might get his old gig back at sky ?

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AndyM Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 9:09pm

Against the far left??
They're against the centre.
Actually I dare say they'd be against the centre-right.

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AndyM Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 9:10pm

Eugenics Dreaming, moving soon to a dictatorship near you.

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Robwilliams Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 9:34pm

They are against anyone who doesn't tow the idealistic self serving hate speech they spew. Far from quality spoke's people for a more inclusive and healthier Australian society. The have been turning on the centre for some time when resistance started to voice it's self from within the democratic society they actually chose to represent. fuck em all. Far from quality humans fit to represent. Vote with your feet they aren't even trustworthy.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 9:47pm
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When are you going to put your real name up? Still afraid of being judged for your core values? piss weak

Mate a lot of people here know who i am, i dont try to hide it in anyway, i leave trails everywhere, barely anyone here uses a real name and we all have the right to some anonymous to a degree, however from past discussions I'm actually in the minority of thinking it would be a good thing if we had to use our real names and log in through something like Facebook. (but lets not get into that discussion again)

BTW. I think you will find Swellnet mods dont appreciate these types of post trying to paint someone in a negative light because they dont use their real name, Stunet has called people out on this before.

As for my core values?

Here they are:

Political:
I believe in democracy and for people to have a right to political views be it right or left leaning, i believe in free markets, low taxes, small governments, minimal regulation and minimal government interference in personal lifes, i believe capitalism is the best system and despise communism and true socialism and marxist ideals. (all of which many say are responsible for 100 million deaths, not to mention the loss of freedoms we enjoy)

Religion: Im not religious but believe everyone has a right to practice the religion they choose as long as abide by the law, and i think most religions like Christianity & Buddhism have some good ideals, principles, morals.

Race: Im in a mixed race relationship(17 years) with a women of colour and believe all people should be treated equally, I dont believe in laws/rules based on race or even representation for one race, i believe in one government and one people treated equally, no ifs no buts.

Immigration: While i get and understand the views of people like Blowin, i think our immigration rates are about right and i enjoy the multicultural aspect of Australian life.

That said i think borders are important and against any kind of illegal immigration, i also think all Australians no matter ethic backgrounds should be proud Aussies and being patriotic and nationalistic shouldn't be viewed as a negative thing as it sadly is these days, we should all be proud Aussies.

Family: i think family is real important especially traditional family units, i think all children ideally should where possible have the right to a father and mother as nature intended, because all over the world children without fathers are more prone to all kinds of negative aspects and often underperform.

Of course this isn't always possible there will always be single mums and we shouldn't view them as being bad or social outcast, but the aim should be there to provide children with a mother and father role model where possible.

Guns: (because its such a conservative cliche) Im not pro guns, but think farmers and hunters should have the right to suitable fire arms. (non automatic)

What else is there?

Okay freedom of speech, i think it's really important and hope Elon Musk is forced to buy Twitter, even high i dont use it as find it trashy.

Ask and i will tell you.

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Robwilliams Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 9:39pm

Nah your a cunt nothing more and a weak one at that. Conservative or not. You hide behind anonymity cause its safe and self serving. you are one of the most divisive and negative people on swellnet.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 9:38pm

Ha ha whatever...i think your views are pretty fucked up and very extreme.

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Robwilliams Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 10:02pm

People like you shaped my views from a young age and I have been calling them out ever since. I got no time for cunts. Left right or anywhere in between. Don't take offence it's just what you represent. Your entitled to do as you wish. Keep spewing the hate. It's what you know and express frequently from the comfort of anonymity wether stunet agrees or disagrees i couldn't give a fuck. I despise what you stand for and what you hide behind. playing the victim and painting your ideas in goodlight when they are far far from it. Your comfortably ignorant and safe conservative or not.

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Supafreak Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 9:45pm

Some gold in the comments section

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 9:58pm
Robwilliams wrote:

People like you shaped my views from a young age and I have been calling them out ever since. I got no time for cunts. Left right or anywhere in between. Don't take offence it's just what you represent. your entitled to do as you wish. Keep spewing the hate.

It's funny that those who accuse others of spewing hate, are always the ones that are the most hatefully potty mouths dissing everyone and anything the doesn't fit into their narrow views of the world, think differently to me and well your a cunt.

And this isn't exactly spreading peace and love either.

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Pompous self serving conservative cunts, nothing more. The far right can fuck right off. Eat them alive if we ever have to, one morsel at a time. No sympathy for those who create division or oppress the minorities. Vote with your feet and keep calling them what they are. True cunts. Did that corrupt evangelistic prick scomo show up? He'd fit right in. Its not simple conservatism that I take offence to but some of the lingering effects of underhanded rightwing policy that are actively encouraged. Tony stood for little and still gets a voice, fuck off. They are all far from a class act at Australias expense. Can't believe we paid for these pricks.

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Robwilliams Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 11:01pm

I hate cunts no apologies you reap what you sow as they say. Ive got plenty of goodwill for those who don't make victims of others. I'm the one your mother warned you about. And Im happy to go down in a blaze of glory every time when it comes to people with ideas and actions like you. Your ideals and values mean nothing to me. And never will unless they carry a positive light conservative or not. You could call it basic human decency and respect. But I'll let the devil and the gods decide that when we get there. Too extreme? Or just someone who thought to oppose your negative bullshit? Someone who's had to live with the consequences of actions of people like you and what you represent. I call you a cunt every time i see fit. You bring it on yourself by what you like to think is healthy discussion when it is nothing more that oppressive speech that suits your agenda of simple minded conservatism that fits sadly like a well worn glove. People like me learn't to fight back not because we wanted to but in order to survive. People like me eat people like you alive every time you fuck up. You bring it on your self by being a cunt to humanity. I reiterate, a cunt to humanity. Nothing more nothing less. oh and my narrow views of the world ain't looking that narrow at the present. peace love and understanding has its place but sometimes you got to call a spade a spade no matter how ugly you paint it to be. Projecting vomit never helped the world. And crying foul can only win you so many free kicks until the truth sticks.

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Supafreak Sunday, 2 Oct 2022 at 10:16pm

Conservative Liberals embrace at CPAC to celebrate the electoral defeat of ‘lefties’ within the party https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/02/conservative-libe.... “The good thing about the last federal election is a lot of those lefties are gone. We should rejoice in that. People I’ve been trying to get rid of for a decade have gone, we need to renew with good conservative candidates.”