COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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Roadkill Tuesday, 16 Aug 2022 at 3:47pm
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

This is the CEO of Pfizer. You cannot make this shit up.

that top tweet is 16 months old...much more new data and knowledge gained since.

but hey, don't ever let that stop you posting to your bias

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Tuesday, 16 Aug 2022 at 4:13pm

You’ve got me there bloke. I do have a very firm bias against liars and lies. Particularly lies issued about fake trial results espousing fake efficacy of the fake vaccine which was mandated and coerced into every Australian.

You might not enjoy the sight of the head of the vaccine company confirming that he’s a serial liar who says anything to peddle his fake vaccine but lots of others certainly take pause when they see concrete evidence of his lying ways.

From this bloke to Fauci ( who’s also on camera telling the same lie ) to Scott Morrison ( wonder if he’s a liar?) and then into your arm….why would anyone doubt the process?

100% effective at preventing infection!

Lol bloke lol

I guess it doesn’t matter about the truth to gronks like you who would insert a live fox into their arseholes if Scott Morrison and this bloke claimed it would clear up your acne.

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burleigh Tuesday, 16 Aug 2022 at 4:29pm
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

This is the CEO of Pfizer. You cannot make this shit up.

These are the experts AndyM wants to trust.

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san Guine Tuesday, 16 Aug 2022 at 5:15pm

Part of the solution.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/aug/16/nurse-practitione...

Use of Nurse Practitioners would help, particularly in rural areas which struggle to attract GP's. But will doctors and their peak bodies let go of the reins? History would suggest the answer is a resounding NO.

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Roadkill Tuesday, 16 Aug 2022 at 6:38pm
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:

You’ve got me there bloke. I do have a very firm bias against liars and lies. Particularly lies issued about fake trial results espousing fake efficacy of the fake vaccine which was mandated and coerced into every Australian.

You might not enjoy the sight of the head of the vaccine company confirming that he’s a serial liar who says anything to peddle his fake vaccine but lots of others certainly take pause when they see concrete evidence of his lying ways.

From this bloke to Fauci ( who’s also on camera telling the same lie ) to Scott Morrison ( wonder if he’s a liar?) and then into your arm….why would anyone doubt the process?

100% effective at preventing infection!

Lol bloke lol

I guess it doesn’t matter about the truth to gronks like you who would insert a live fox into their arseholes if Scott Morrison and this bloke claimed it would clear up your acne.

Well, you are an expert on lies

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DudeSweetDudeSweet Tuesday, 16 Aug 2022 at 7:20pm

Two years exposure to the accumulated wealth of lies provided by yourself, VIC Local , Blindboy and Brutus deserves at least expert status.

I particularly gain insight when you go full meta and deny your own lies. It’s like lying squared. Sociopaths gonna sociopath I guess.

I think you’re so accustomed to truths that you don’t even register the lie told in the above quote by the CEO of Pfizer. I reckon you’re half guessing what we are even referring to. It’s all gospel to you when Big Pharma speaks.

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burleigh Tuesday, 16 Aug 2022 at 9:12pm

AndyM here’s your experts again.

https://fb.watch/eXdghCjITm/

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AndyM Tuesday, 16 Aug 2022 at 9:37pm

An open, honest update as new info comes to hand?
What do you want or expect?
You complain if you get lied to and you complain if you’re treated frankly.

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burleigh Tuesday, 16 Aug 2022 at 9:40pm
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An open, honest update as new info comes to hand?
What do you want or expect?
You complain if you get lied to and you complain if you’re treated frankly.

Mate, i can guarantee you he knew in April 2022. It was news all around the world. Yet he still lied and you still eat up the lies and defend them. It's insane.

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AndyM Tuesday, 16 Aug 2022 at 10:03pm

Nah I wasn’t that fixated, I was surfing and hanging out with my girlfriend.

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burleigh Wednesday, 17 Aug 2022 at 12:26pm

So the chief health officer Brett Sutton says the vaccines don't stop transmission this week, yet here in the article posted today we have Dr Paul Griffin saying about why people have not caught covid yet:
"The first thing is being vaccinated and, certainly, people who are up to date with their vaccines are well protected against this disease."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-17/havent-caught-covid-is-it-luck-or...

No wonder we have ZERO trust. Question everything.

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shortenism Wednesday, 17 Aug 2022 at 4:23pm

Yep, the only thing holding it up now is belief. The house of cards is falling.

Sutton admitting it doesn't work, Scomo unearthed as the secret Health Minister.. Hahaha... I want to laugh but I feel so deeply sorry for so many that got forced and coerced into this whole scam from QR codes to PCR tests, to jabs. What a shit show.

Times up now though. Anyone still believing or peddling this bullshit has had plenty of opportunities to look in the mirror and accept they were stupid. Time to move on and take your power back.

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old-dog Wednesday, 17 Aug 2022 at 5:45pm

Its one thing to be enraged because the vaccines aren't as effective as hoped or promised but another thing entirely to say that mRNA vaccines are immune system destroying death jabs that make you more likely to catch covid and get it multiple times etc. etc. Do you really think they would be setting up at a Vic. university to manufacture millions of MRNA doses so they can kill us all. They said all along that the virus will mutate (as it did) making the jab less effective.
They have also stated right from the start that 80% of people would have either no or very mild symptoms but its the other 1 in 5 vulnerable elderly and unwell that need protecting. They say you judge a society by the way it treats the elderly,
I reckon some of you blokes would push your granny down stairs to get the house.

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burleigh Wednesday, 17 Aug 2022 at 6:04pm
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They have also stated right from the start that 80% of people would have either no or very mild symptoms but its the other 1 in 5 vulnerable elderly and unwell that need protecting. They say you judge a society by the way it treats the elderly,
I reckon some of you blokes would push your granny down stairs to get the house.

Lol this is not true. Would love to see your proof of this.

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batfink Wednesday, 17 Aug 2022 at 6:09pm
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Anyone still believing or peddling this bullshit has had plenty of opportunities to look in the mirror and accept they were stupid. Time to move on and take your power back.

You first Shorten.

It’s all black and white to you, it seems. Everything from the conspiracy theory sites is all good, absolutely true, no barrows to push there. Anything from big pharma is lies for profits. Anything the the vast majority of medical researchers and specialists are saying is compromised, but that one special medical researcher who espouses ideas that agree with your pre-conceived biases (well, not really conceived so much as implanted, eh Shortenism).

Perhaps the world is a little bit greyer, a little more uncertain, a little more unsure than you suspect.

As for taking my power back, I never let it go. Did you? Is that why you’re so evangelical on the subject? Did somebody make you do something that you were ashamed of?

Just a thought.

Re mRNA vaccines, they will be pretty much all that will be available in the future. Best do your research on them. They’re coming. You don’t have to have them though.

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Stok Wednesday, 17 Aug 2022 at 8:53pm

Was reading into the likelihood of future pandemics and bio-terrorism the other day.

Seems it's an incredibly likely event, and can range from bad to very, very bad.

Covid was mild, we all know that, we all knew that. There was no 10% fatality rate, it was always low, less than 1%. But it showed an event where the world effectively stopped, pulled together and reacted in a manner which all smart living things should - actions were taken to reduce the likelihood of death and suffering from an unknown source of danger.

When the next one happens, we've walked down this path before and we know when we can collectively do. Our chances for survival are bolstered.

Well, we know what most of us sane individuals can do.

Enter the Swellnetians who 'knew' straight away covid was a hoax (yes, these are the Swellnetians who keep this thread alive even today, months/years(?) after most people have forgotten about restrictions). They still know it to this day, with upmost certainty. And they post here daily to reassure themselves how great they are.

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 17 Aug 2022 at 9:04pm

That's correct burleigh all the world's experts are dumping on boosters to sell more useless boosters!
Like to think it's a joke but this is their end game...

Aug 2021 WHO Booster's Moratorium ( Big Pharma / Experts said No! )
This lack of Trust saw Vaccination Plummet...despite one Omicron Panic Booster Spike of lesser size.
Vaccines have dived ever since to current rock bottom levels.
WHO fell short of Mid 2022 ~ International Solidarity Commitment 70% Vax Target.
Claiming only 28% of seniors + 37% of Frontline were vaxed in Low income nations.
27 Nations don't know what a booster is!

TV & Tables see Highest Boosted Nations infect more for record Health crisis & die in record numbers.
Experts warn of more & worse to come for these very same boosted nations...

Lowest Ten Boosted (Neutral) nations have 40x less Covid Crisis than average 29% Boosted Nations.
Top 10-20 Boosted nations have 3x more Covid Crisis > Top 10 = 7x more than yer average Covid Crisis.
You can't hide these Fully Vaxed massacres...with worse to come! (Reciting their own experts!)

With world defeated the 2022 World Vax summit became a US Summit Only.
22nd July WHO: "To make more effective & easier to use Pan Vax such as Nasal Sprays!"
Prez & FDA agree!

Noting WHO game plan has changed from broad protection to targeting the most infectious = VIPs.
Current Vax plan openly focuses on stopping the rot amongst highly infectious boosted population.
All Big Pharma Bucks are directed at wealthy highly infectious VIP junkies & all boast this fact!

Noting Bivalent Boosters are advised for Highest infectious 3rd dosed Risk Patients needing a 4th dose!
Sounds crazy but yes! 3rd dosed are deemed #1 Highest Infectious + #1 severe sickness risk.

There is zero talk of progressing with broad scale Vax coverage...that's so last year... all have given up!
The idea is to keep picking off the low hanging fruit in nursing homes...lighten the baggage!
A new world for sure!

So what is this Bivalent Booster & are each getting the same dose?
3rd dose Standard booster then 3-4mths > Bivalent as 4th or 5th dose > 5mth wait & go again.
World / US get (Moderna / Pfizer) 25mg of Wuhan Strain (Combo) 25mg of Omicron 1 strain
US (only) get (Pfizer) 25mg of Wuhan Strain (Combo) 25mg of Omicron 4/5 strain
Full Vax program includes Flu Jab scripted off Oz Winter Flurona Outbreak.
###<===[][ Bivalent Jab] (L) < > (R) [Flu Quad Jab ][]-----,
Long range Experts say Senior Bivalent will wipeout Senior Antivirals (Taboo...don't mention it!)

Here's a collection of defeated Govt Experts & their take on Bivalent Vax.

UK JCVI : "Autumn Bivalent Booster program is focused on protecting those at Increased Risk of Covid!
This will increase your protection against being severely ill from Covid as we head into winter!"
Q: Why are Pin Cushioned Echidna VIPs the highest Covid infectious & most severe illness risk?

UK: Nottingham Uni Prof Ball :
{WARNING} Omicron Vax might push Virus down other evolutionary paths.
Q: Since when are Main Stream Uni heads now able to cast a shadow upon Vax? (Censored!)

Canada NACI : "Only those with an increased risk of severe illness should be offered Bivalent Vax...
Regardless of how many Boosters they've had!"
Q: Why even tolerate an Anti Vax Brigade if Govt are even more distrusting of their latest brew?

US #1 Paul Offit : It's a massive NO from me!

Oz : (Doherty) : "Bivalent Boosters should help reduce transmission..."
Q: So just confirming that 3rd dose VIPs are responsible for our mass infections? (Check!)

CSIRO : "People are getting reinfected in 8 weeks > updating to Bivalent can potentially reduce infection rate & disease burden on people!"
Q: Again! Bivalent upgrade News only applies to re-infectious & diseased 3rd dose VIPs? (Correct!)

Qld Brainz :
"Hospitals are struggling with a wave of illness & it's likely to increase, so we need as many 'Maximally Protected' (right now) as possible...Bivalent Vax won't provide the same magnitude of benefit of previous boosters!"
Q: So we jab with a less useful Vax for maximum VIP Health Crisis? (Hang on! tbb is a Qldurr...Panic!)

In the wash up! All is going to Plan...Huh!
The more we vax the more complex arguments confound our Experts so the more they'll disagree!
Bivalents have already fractured Experts into half a dozen different camps of equal authority.
Experts :
No 20% I like yer old stuff better...20% Maybe Ok 20% Add the Flu Jab 20% It will work...trust us! 20%
More frightfully is the fact that these groups splinter again into real sciency clubs...
In reality... tbb should grade 5 reasons against (vs) 5 reasons for Bivalent...(Still...only the beginning!)

One thing for sure is Bivalent Vax will lower Vax confidence further across all inoculation programs!
Some go further & say it's all on the line...Win the crowd back or Lose with egg on yer face!
There are no winners if our Vax experts fight in public...yet that is now fast becoming the case.
This is not & never was about Vaxed or Unvaxed but was always ever about maintaining public trust.
Upholding the hippocratic oath! We're just hanging in there...it's still good! (Sputtering Cough!)

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shortenism Wednesday, 17 Aug 2022 at 9:32pm

Not sure where u are going with this soiree of words batfink but yep in regards to covid19, its black & white. Not sure there's much more to say that hasn't been said...

The icing on the cake for Australia you would think is scomo popping out of one (a cake) as your surprise undercover Health Minister during the worlds deadliest pandemic....? Bizarre yeah? Hunt vanished quick on reflection. As did Porter..

In regards to taking your power back, it would appear you haven't even realised you have lost yours yet. Once you get to that point, feel free to circle back and re-read.

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bonza Wednesday, 17 Aug 2022 at 11:02pm
Stok wrote:

Was reading into the likelihood of future pandemics and bio-terrorism the other day.

Seems it's an incredibly likely event, and can range from bad to very, very bad.

Covid was mild, we all know that, we all knew that. There was no 10% fatality rate, it was always low, less than 1%. But it showed an event where the world effectively stopped, pulled together and reacted in a manner which all smart living things should - actions were taken to reduce the likelihood of death and suffering from an unknown source of danger.

When the next one happens, we've walked down this path before and we know when we can collectively do. Our chances for survival are bolstered.

Well, we know what most of us sane individuals can do.

Enter the Swellnetians who 'knew' straight away covid was a hoax (yes, these are the Swellnetians who keep this thread alive even today, months/years(?) after most people have forgotten about restrictions). They still know it to this day, with upmost certainty. And they post here daily to reassure themselves how great they are.

That’s a tired cop out. We should always strive to do better and be accountable for our decisions. To learn from our mistakes. Your conclusion is detached from reality. When the next pandemic comes we will remember what happened with covid and will be ever so more wary and cynical. The job is so much harder. Trust in science and government so much lower. That’s a really shitty result and the leadership need to fucking own it. To think otherwise is fantasy land.
Boy who cried wolf scenario.

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Stok Wednesday, 17 Aug 2022 at 11:20pm

Bonza, trust is science only took a hit in a very small group of people. Essentially, these gullible fools thought they're better off listening to Russel Brand, or Joe Rogan, than actual reputable sources of information. These gullible fools are also unable to separate information presented by the media and science. They love posting 'gotcha!' moments of some politician on some news program saying something contradictory to what they said 6 months prior - to which they'll include the caption 'MORE LIES UNCOVERED, WHEN IS IT NO LONGER A CONSPIRACY!?'.

Luckily, most of these people have short attention spans and for the most part have moved on

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Rabbits68 Wednesday, 17 Aug 2022 at 11:54pm

The irony being, those on here (and out there) that are now constantly shouting “question everything!” “trust in nothing!” “claim your power back!” etc etc etc have actually become more hyperbolic & unrealistic than anything that has ever happened or was ever stated during the past two plus years. The positive side of this of course is they remain a minority IMO. The rational majority have been able to assess, reassess and question this reality, within reason, which will put us in good stead going forward.

I’ll personally start really freaking out when my rubbish & recycling bins stop being emptied on my scheduled bin days. You know the end is nigh then….

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Roadkill Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 9:07am

It's kind of funny the remaining 2 bedwetters, blowin and burleigh family tax benefit A recipient after jabbing his kids...can't move on. The rest of us are living life and surfing and going about as usual...and these 2 are fearful of some perceived shady govt with big phama help that is out to control them.

Hiding under the bed like the idiots they are.

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bonza Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 9:20am

you only have to look at falling (non-covid) vaccination rates across the globe to show that you (Stok & Rabbits) are wrong. Trust has declined in public health initiatives. The antivaxx movement strengthened. Its a total shit result and we should shine a light into why certain decisions were made. Not simply wave a white "science" flag and dismiss others as "gullible fools". The world is a more dangerous place. That's not hyperbole. That reality.

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AndyM Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 9:43am

I'd have to agree with you bonza, trust in government and authority is continuing to decline and the uncovering of Morrison's insanity will contribute to this in Australia. Obviously faith in aspects of public health is included in this overall decline in trust.
And in a hyper-individual, choose your own truth world, yeah, simply saying "trust the science" just doesn't cut it any more.
What's the answer?
No idea, but there're a lot of confused people out there.

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shortenism Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 10:56am

Rabbits, you epitomise a population that cares more about their weekly rubbish collection than being herded into mass lockdowns, vaccination schedules and restrictions. I put you next to Roadkill, as two living examples of everything our kids need to not become.

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Rabbits68 Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 12:11pm
bonza wrote:

you only have to look at falling (non-covid) vaccination rates across the globe to show that you (Stok & Rabbits) are wrong. Trust has declined in public health initiatives. The antivaxx movement strengthened. Its a total shit result and we should shine a light into why certain decisions were made. Not simply wave a white "science" flag and dismiss others as "gullible fools". The world is a more dangerous place. That's not hyperbole. That reality.

@ Bonza - How about some "reality" and context to back up some of your claims (which I'm not suggesting are incorrect BTW). Perhaps you could answer these questions. To what extent have non Covid vaccination rates declined around the globe? Pre Covid? Post Covid? Are the declines significant? Are they unprecedented? Are they directly related to the anti-vax movement? Are they feeding into the anti-vax movement?

"The world is a more dangerous place. That's not hyperbole. That reality."

Sorry in advance Bonza but that statement sets off the hyperbole alarm for me. It's such a brief yet very emotive statement, particularly without some serious context. What do you think people were saying as the Spanish Flu was spreading around the globe, or during WW1 or WW2, or during the Cold War period etc etc. I bet there people saying "the world is a more dangerous place" and of course they would right. The point being, the world has generally always been a dangerous place. It's all relative. Perhaps you need to hold this Covid period up to the bright light of history for some further context. Given that the nuclear arsenal stored around the globe currently has probably never been so prolific, of course technically the world has never been such a dangerous place but that's a long bow to draw from here to there IMO.

Governments and corporations etc have always been embroiled with corruption and rorting etc. Of course we should be shing a very bright light into the decisions made during this pandemic. Contrary to what AndyM stated regarding Morrison having been exposed, I actually think this will further highlight the need to hold these elites (G'day Burls) to greater account and scrutiny going forward. That's gotta be a positive out of a negative.

I don't think your wrong Bonza, I just think your a glass half empty and I don't think I'm wrong, I'm just a glass half full.

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Rabbits68 Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 12:14pm
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Rabbits, you epitomise a population that cares more about their weekly rubbish collection than being herded into mass lockdowns, vaccination schedules and restrictions. I put you next to Roadkill, as two living examples of everything our kids need to not become.

I'm not surprised that analogy went straight over your head Shorto. Sorry about that. Going forward I'll try to dumb it down even further just for you.

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truebluebasher Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 1:23pm

#1 El Presidente Jane's "Vax Review" is overdue...
https://www.health.gov.au/ministers/the-hon-mark-butler-mp/media/review-...

#2 PM : Consistently said that a Broader "Rollout Review" will occur.

17th Aug 2022 National Audit Office (Australia's Covid -19 Vaccine Rollout)
https://www.anao.gov.au/work/performance-audit/australia-covid-19-vaccin...

18th Aug 2022 (Newsbreak) Vax Rollout Findings
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/17/morrison-government-failed...

(Recommend a more Comprehensive Vax Review!) Just as Albo said...(Crew : Well durr!)
Health Dept welcomed the findings & expect broader review to follow!
"Comprehensive Vax Review will likely fuel Calls for a Royal Commission"

Governance was largely effective (Cough!) Especially @ senior level when Lt Gen kicked Arse!
Extra essential Phase 1 expert findings on our experts...
* Vax Rollout was not timely & has not met Targets & Dates
* Botched Early Planning of Rollout (Possibly the 5 altered Group Phases & jump start re-dos?)
Crew may recall Prisoners were #1 Priority @ original Phases! (Yeah! They pissed that off real quick!)
* Failed to provide for at risk groups (Not Effective!)
* Failed to provide for Aged Care (Slower than Planned!)
* Failed to provide for Disability Care (Slower than Planned!)
* Failed to provide for First Nations People (Remains Lower than Oz pop!)
* Initial planning was not timely.
* Delayed (Nov 2020) Rollout Plan with States ( Rollout had started before States were locked in!)
Crew may recall the early breakout of States prescribing different & everchanging dosing laws.
* Rollout was only partly effective
* Detailed planning with States / Territories not completed prior to Rollout
* Health underestimated the complexity of administrating in-reach services early in rollout.
* Health dept did not undertake sufficient reporting against targets.
* HD doesn't have adequate assurance over completeness & accuracy of Data & 3rd party systems
* Health Admin of Priority Vax & general pop has not met targets.
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* Did not incorporate Govt targets for Rollout into planning until later stage -(Expert Target Example)
Fed Govt withheld Vax data from PM's 1/2 doses (20th Feb +14th March > 8th April 2022) Censored!
https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-s-daily-covid-19-vaccine-rollo...

Extra Dates to forget...
Jan 2020 : PM Date changes cont.. (Targets) 4m by end of March? + Fully Vaxed by Oct 2021.
April 2020 : AZ fuck up! (Not the Italian Contraband Blockade but that other Chunky Custard Boycott!)

Mark Butler : " Confirms that for most of 2021 Oz had slowest rollout!" (Translation : Least Covid!)

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shortenism Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 1:43pm
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Rabbits, you epitomise a population that cares more about their weekly rubbish collection than being herded into mass lockdowns, vaccination schedules and restrictions. I put you next to Roadkill, as two living examples of everything our kids need to not become.

I'm not surprised that analogy went straight over your head Shorto. Sorry about that. Going forward I'll try to dumb it down even further just for you.

Rabbits and Roadkill. Poetry in motion.

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bonza Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 1:45pm
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I don't think your wrong Bonza, I just think your a glass half empty and I don't think I'm wrong, I'm just a glass half full.

No. You are wrong. Not trying to be rude. just pointing out what's been published about the link between the pandemic, transparency, trust in institutions and rates of non-covid vaccinations.

Plenty of links to support that. Some I have posted previously. There's plenty more.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02051-w
https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/2022/06/covid-19-and-tr...
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/antivaxxers-rejoice-at-the-silver-linin...
https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(21)01337-4/fulltext

a lower vaccination rate of curable diseases means a higher chance of return of those same diseases. so yeah that's 1 good reason why the world is more dangerous. but it's not the only one.

some of the other consequences of the last 2 years which again i have posted about previously include housing, debt, QE, treatable medical conditions. inequality, mental health, separation of loves ones, children learning etc etc. But the impact wasn't the same for everyone was it. For some it was a very minor inconvenience. For others with connections or money or a footy the rules didn't apply. a huge amount of people increased their wealth substantially. Are you ok with that? Can you see why these consequences lead to people to feel powerless and angry and distrustful of authority and leadership? Can you appreciate that other science based decisions may also be now viewed with greater suspicion. Can you see how this permeates across other fields and decisions made by our leaders.? Can you see how it leads to populism politics. That is why its dangerous. How is that a long bow?
Many people got vaccinated, agreed to mandates and lockdowns for altruistic reasons. because they believed it was the right thing to do. Will as many of us do that next time? If so will it be as easy?
it is crucial that our leaders and institutions regain our trust. we need to stop belittling people and start collectively demanding why decisions were made and how we can do better.

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Rabbits68 Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 2:17pm

"Many people got vaccinated, agreed to mandates and lockdowns for altruistic reasons. because they believed it was the right thing to do. Will as many of us do that next time? If so will it be as easy?
it is crucial that our leaders and institutions regain our trust. we need to stop belittling people and start collectively demanding why decisions were made and how we can do better."

I generally agree, but the distinction between decisions that were made in good faith and under extreme circumstances need to be separated from those that were made with blatant rorting and corruption in mind. It's important and relevant detail to the discussion going forward.

You mention belittling people alot. I'm not sure if your defending the likes of the three or four on here that have consistently and categorically claimed to have known from day 1 that the whole pandemic was somehow orchestrated in an attempt to control and subdue the human race but these people are not helping in any constructive way. Full blown paranoia and unfounded claims are simply adding to your list of genuine concerns. Now is the time for a thorough, rational analysis.

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bonza Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 3:06pm

No I am not defending them. Just ask Short. I do believe however in the context of Covid that people who scream science to defend political decisions by abusing, attacking and, refusing to acknowledge when the other side is on occasion right have done more harm than any anti vaxxer by undermining the authority of the very science they claim to defend.

"I generally agree, but the distinction between decisions that were made in good faith and under extreme circumstances need to be separated from those that were made with blatant rorting and corruption in mind. It's important and relevant detail to the discussion going forward."

Fine separate them. But don't discount them. and don't accept blindly that decisions were made in good faith at all times.. https://theconversation.com/did-swedens-controversial-covid-strategy-pay...

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Roadkill Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 3:18pm
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Rabbits, you epitomise a population that cares more about their weekly rubbish collection than being herded into mass lockdowns, vaccination schedules and restrictions. I put you next to Roadkill, as two living examples of everything our kids need to not become.

I'm not surprised that analogy went straight over your head Shorto. Sorry about that. Going forward I'll try to dumb it down even further just for you.

Rabbits and Roadkill. Poetry in motion.

Shorty...the biggest peddler of conspiracy theories ever. Big govt, covert departments, the elite tracking him, Bill Gates wanted to take over the world...it was all a big grab for power...paid off politicians...LMAO.

The biggest tinfoil hat wearing clown, Shorty. You ran away like a little girl when asked for proof. The daily funnys were Shorty's dumb as fuck posts.

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old-dog Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 3:17pm

@ burleigh, You want proof that we were told from the start that 80% of people would have very mild or no symptoms at all. Just google the above statement and dozens of pages from back in 2020 will popup from every Govt and medical body you can think of. You must have been too far down the rabbit hole to see what was going on in the real world.

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Rabbits68 Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 3:20pm
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No I am not defending them. Just ask Short. I do believe however in the context of Covid that people who scream science to defend political decisions by abusing, attacking and, refusing to acknowledge when the other side is on occasion right have done more harm than any anti vaxxer by undermining the authority of the very science they claim to defend.

"I generally agree, but the distinction between decisions that were made in good faith and under extreme circumstances need to be separated from those that were made with blatant rorting and corruption in mind. It's important and relevant detail to the discussion going forward."

Fine separate them. But don't discount them. and don't accept blindly that decisions were made in good faith at all times.. https://theconversation.com/did-swedens-controversial-covid-strategy-pay...

Agreed Bonza. Cheers for your input and chat.

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bonza Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 3:24pm

right back at you Rabbits. thanks mate.

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burleigh Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 3:31pm
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@ burleigh, You want proof that we were told from the start that 80% of people would have very mild or no symptoms at all. Just google the above statement and dozens of pages from back in 2020 will popup from every Govt and medical body you can think of. You must have been too far down the rabbit hole to see what was going on in the real world.

I would say 99% of covid cases are mild. The 1% were 90 year olds with heart disease
Or Roadkill after his 4 jabs looking for sympathy like the little sook he is. Imagine if he got actually injured. You would hear him sook from space “poor me poor me”

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Roadkill Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 3:46pm

Do you scan yourself for tracking devices, burleigh, THEY, the elite may have planted one on you...they are watching your every move.

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old-dog Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 4:02pm

burls the young unvaxed gangster rap cool dude at work who has had covid three times and had a constant cough and head full of snot for the past 12 months might beg to differ. In fact most people I know who have had it said it was the worst week of their lives. The public message was always about protecting the 20% vulnerable and the hospital system from collapse. Nothing to see hear.

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burleigh Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 4:13pm
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burls the young unvaxed gangster rap cool dude at work who has had covid three times and had a constant cough and head full of snot for the past 12 months might beg to differ. In fact most people I know who have had it said it was the worst week of their lives. The public message was always about protecting the 20% vulnerable and the hospital system from collapse. Nothing to see hear.

Worst week of their lives! Haha wow Old-dog I’ve legit heard it all now.

80% was a lie, always was. You ate it up and justify it with one guy at your work chucking a sicky and getting paid $750 every time he has covid.

Covid doesn’t give you a constant head full of snot for 12 months. Maybe he’s got something else going on. But it’s too easy to blame covid right?

Funny that nearly everyone I know said they had worse hangovers.

Unless they are attention seeking losers like roadkill wanting people to feel sorry for them. Poor me poor me, everyone look at me I’ve had 4 jabs and it’s not working, I blame the unvaccinated.

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burleigh Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 4:14pm
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Do you scan yourself for tracking devices, burleigh, THEY, the elite may have planted one on you...they are watching your every move.

Waaa waaaa look at me, 4 jabs deep and the sickest I’ve every been. Everyone tell me I’m a good boy.

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old-dog Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 4:23pm

You are hilarious burls, you blame everything on the jab but how dare anyone blame covid for anything.

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Roadkill Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 4:26pm

burleigh, you live with your mummy, don't you? in the garage to feel like you are independent.

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old-dog Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 4:30pm

You are wasting your life away obsessed with flogging a dead horse. With your intellectual capacity and a few years of intensive training you could try out for a job collecting trolleys at your local supermarket and become a worthwhile member of society.

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burleigh Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 4:40pm
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burleigh, you live with your mummy, don't you? in the garage to feel like you are independent.

You’re a good boy Roadkill. Got your jabs, you’re just one of the unlucky ones that had a breakthrough infection…. Wait something doesn’t sound right…….

Poor roady, are you ok now? Really hope your sore throat is better. There’s a new jab coming for omicron, you’ll be in your safe place again soon.

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burleigh Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 4:42pm
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You are wasting your life away obsessed with flogging a dead horse. With your intellectual capacity and a few years of intensive training you could try out for a job collecting trolleys at your local supermarket and become a worthwhile member of society.

Definitely worse jobs out there. I’m sure whatever roadkill does Is is less rewarding. He’s always looking for sympathy, I think it’s something to do with his self worth.

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Roadkill Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 5:14pm
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You are wasting your life away obsessed with flogging a dead horse. With your intellectual capacity and a few years of intensive training you could try out for a job collecting trolleys at your local supermarket and become a worthwhile member of society.

burleigh mouthed off he runs 3/4 successful business from his home...was complaining the other day he has been unable to travel OS to various locations to visit his international clients...seems legit to me...ha ha ha

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burleigh Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 5:30pm
Roadkill wrote:
old-dog wrote:

You are wasting your life away obsessed with flogging a dead horse. With your intellectual capacity and a few years of intensive training you could try out for a job collecting trolleys at your local supermarket and become a worthwhile member of society.

burleigh mouthed off he runs 3/4 successful business from his home...was complaining the other day he has been unable to travel OS to various locations to visit his international clients...seems legit to me...ha ha ha

2 actually and I don’t work from home. I also don’t sook when I’ve got a headache and runny nose.
You should try it. You might find some self worth NOT crying for sympathy to internet strangers like a little girl

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truebluebasher Thursday, 18 Aug 2022 at 6:37pm

Serious undertaking Alert...
R.I.P data represents lives & crew understand & respect such!
This research is presented in order to be very aware of Covid deaths.

Tassie Vaxed Deaths are creeping up on a weekly basis...
tbb is sharing this because it's not due to variants as it is a methodical % increase (Not spikes)
Note that infection & hospital data rises/falls with waves but these Vaxed death rises are constant.
These data sets ring true as they have not been reconfigured...that we know of! A rare breed!
Other State's Death data is getting cushioned or reconfigured so comparison is tricky...tbb will check!

The data is outing constant increased weekly Death rises of "Vaccinated" Tasmanians
Vaxed infection & hospital rates have long overtaken unvaxed & death stats are following as expected.
Experts can & often claim to ignore all things else as less Vaxed people die! (Major selling point!)

However! There are warning signs that need to be shared as we're talking about majority of population.
Vaccines are rapidly losing their protection to ward of terminal Covid...data clearly shows this decline!
Vax Rates
26th March Vax % Rate 96.7% > (1.6% Vax rise) > 6th Aug Vax% Rate 97.3%

Constant Weekly Tassie Vaxed Death rise over same the period...as shown.
26th March 57% (April) 62% > 63% > 62% > 59% > 61% (May) 65% > 69% > 67% > 72% > 73% (June) 72% > 73% > 72% > 75% (July) 75% > 79% > 80% > 78% > 77% (Aug) 79%
Checking:
Vax rate climbed 1.6% > Vaxed Death rate soared 22% from 57% >79% (Vax Pop 97.3%)
Unvaxed Pop dropped 1.6% Death Rate dropped 22% from 43% > 21% (Hesitant Pop 2.7%)

Ordinarily tbb would let this slide but Young Vaxers are not featured heavily in death data!
State Health often exclude youth in death data & may well have done! (tbb recorded Total Vax Pop)
Vaxed Adult Death rate would breach their 87.34% Vax rate in just 6 weeks to become lead death rate!
There is no indication of Vax death data slowing or reversing...this is the only prediction...unless change?
Not saying that change can't happen, as it does...but these stats are cemented in more than most!

That is exactly why tbb is researching & sharing vital Data sets while we can still shape our destiny!
If crew or experts wanna look away...that's fine! But tbb assures this research is to assist the majority!
tbb does not discriminate...call it as it is! Be that Hesitant or Vaxed as most of our families are!

Should these stats play out on a world stage then yes! Vaccinated death rate will breach their Vax Pop!
Meaning the last Holy Grail for vaxing is fading fast & soon a just another fad & Yes! It's cruel to say that!
Anywhere from 2 months onward to years end...high rising Vaxed Death rate will breach it's Vax rate.
This perfectly follows VIP breach of infections > then Hospitalizations > now soon also deaths...
This has long staged in data sets to here & now! Experts can keep cushioning, reconfiguring & censoring!

Brings no one any joy to share dire forecast but would not be human to review this & say nothing.
No cheap points...this is happening right now & experts go on ignoring this! Each to their own!
Only know, that when VIP's who deserve no less than neutral protection will soon demand detoxes.

Smart Govt Health should run a 20% per season wane disclaimer about any Life saving Vax expectancy.
Just saying if ya can't detox then at least read VIPs their last rites or hand out free buckets to kick.
As it stands...Vaxed will survive Covid in better shape...But!
Severely ill VIPs are 20% more likely to die from Covid each season is not the plan!
Hesitants wouldn't even know that they're 20% less likely to die from Covid each season, nor care!
This is very serious & tbb hopes experts will share & address this sooner than later!

As said, tbb will investigate further with any other rare available Death rate data sets...
Salute Tassie for ongoing data that addresses the real deal...buys us some time!

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truebluebasher Friday, 19 Aug 2022 at 12:26am

Serious stately undertaking...
{R.I.P} NSW data does reveal similar constant increase in Vaxed Hospitalizations & Deaths.
Recapping : We're sussing out ongoing ramps despite waves dropping other less vaxed Patient's data.
13th Aug - Vaxed 7,027,948 / 7,672,441 pop Total 91.6% > Adult Vax 82.8% > Vax Death rate 86.6%.

However! NSW run separate dose categories where any anomaly can be isolated...Salute!
Yes! We do have an outstanding contributor to massive rise in deaths.
Yes! It follows the exact same pattern of all before it...(That being the latest greatest Vax)
28th May 2022 > No + 1/2/3/4 dose NSW Weekly Death rate > Ends 13th Aug 2022
No dose 14 > 30 peak drop > 22/wk
1 dose 1 > 5 peak drop > 3/wk
2 dose 17 > 22 peak drop >19/wk
3 dose 58 > 69 peak drop > 66/wk
4 dose 6 > 76 peak drop > 54/wk
What's interesting is BA. 4/5 > 4th dose Death spike exactly copies BA.2 > 3rd dose death spike...
19th March (3rd dose) 8 deaths/wk > 7th May 62 deaths/wk (Compare to current 4th dose = Same!)

We are seeing each new vax or booster ramp as #1 Record Covid Death spike.(Unchallenged!)
We saw these death spikes ramp thru each 1/2/3/4 vaxes ...each spiking higher record deaths...
But each threaten & do often breach their Vax rates but now threaten above unvaxed in totality!
That was never really on the radar but is sadly fast becoming a reality...that spells record danger!

Science explains that the virus is working thru the Vax little by little right down deep inside.
So naturally each new Vax defence is less effective trying to fight off fast advancing mutating Virus.
But each vax further subdues innate immunity that teaches our body to defend better each time.
Basically the VIPs keep inviting more virus in as the Hesitants naturally learn to better drive it away.
We see this in the data.

So naturally we read Unvaxed casually rise then fall & rarely trouble Hospital Crisis!
Unvaxed present no more or less than a glitch thru-out last wave...
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/weekly-reports.aspx

[Factcheck!] NSW run 2 sets of data...

NSW Risk Monitoring Dashboard = 14th March > 14th Aug 2022
No Vax/1 = Hospital 24.6% drop to 17.5% now 18.5% + ICU 32.2% (May peak 49.9%) drop to 33.9%
tbb has previously explained how there was no BA.4/5 threat to any unvaxed... they grew healthier!
3 dose = Hospital 33.6% rising to 63.4% + ICU 18.3% rises to peak 66.7% only now dropping
Boosted patients were the opposite...claiming BA.4/5 is all over them like a rash from a cheap suit!

Main difference being these Boosters boss the Health Crisis like bullies with a rampaging assault!
There is no let up even now...just flat out mayhem...coming at ya...when does this wave end!
World is Bombing VIPs with everything they got...(Like Zombie Whac-a-mole!) Not a laughing matter!
Not sure how experts can turn this mess around...Vaxed will soon also be runnin' the end game!
Pfizer funeral Parlours...

13th Aug 2022... NSW Surveillance Data
NSW Hospitalizations = No Vax 1/wk > 1 dose 6/wk > 2 dose 133/wk > 3 dose 214 > 4 dose 202
NSW ICU = No vax 0 > 1 dose 1/wk > 2 dose 15/wk > 3 dose 27/wk > 4 dose 13/wk
tbb is not convinced about NSW Unvaxed data ...needs further examination!
Gotta be missing some trick with that ultra long run of 0 or 1 Non vaxed Patients! (Not possible!)
Crew can see above same Week Unvaxed Death rate 22/wk (tbb said it before...That don't add up!)

Anyhow! Govt have plenty of reviews but this is where all roads lead...no doubt about that!
Reviewing current Booster data before next Booster Assault is by far the healthiest option.
The royal inquisition can wait...best to shirtfront ourselves before our Crisis turns to Complete Chaos!