COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
"Burleigh, do you believe in chemtrails by any chance?"
I want to know if burleigh thinks the moon landing was staged and his opinion about the Tel Aviv bunker which is the NWO's head office.
Stok wrote:burleigh wrote:The stats have been hugely misrepresented from the beginning. What is unclear about this?
1. Some very rich people have a lot to gain from doing this. Get you’re head out of your own ass and look around
2. You’re right, the only way they get away with it is with zombie obedience from the likes of yourself, roadkill and Stok. Lucky there are people including very respected doctors standing up, unfortunately you won’t find them on MSM, so you will just write them off.
Your vaccine doesn’t work, you were told it would stop transmission, it will protect your community, your loved ones.
Who the fuck knows why governments want to jab a third dose in your arm when the first two didn’t work. Maybe they ordered enough poison to jab the population 8 times over.
Fuck they even ordered 51 million doses of novavax just in case.
Why have the government mandates stayed in place for 2 dose victims when it does fuck all?
Burleigh, do you believe in chemtrails by any chance?
Contrails are real, it's just water vapour and some exhaust.
Then there's chaff:
"Chaff is a radar countermeasure in which aircraft or other targets spread a cloud of small, thin pieces of aluminium, metallized glass fibre or plastic, which either appears as a cluster of primary targets on radar screens or swamps the screen with multiple returns."
It's quite common to see chaff on the weather radars in SE Qld and Nth nsw. There's no cover-up, the military / air force confirm they're doing it if asked, but no-one really knows about it so no one ever asks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaff_(countermeasure)
Vic Local wrote:"Nailed it Burleigh."
Haaaaaa Haaaaaaa,
burleigh's response was just a stream of illogical statements and pure bullshit. Sure it may have impressed the other tin foil hat wearing crackpots, but that doesn't make any of it true.
Fuck I genuinely hope you blokes are shitfaced drunk and posting this rubbish for a laugh. If you're sober and seriously that's truly fucked up.
Might be time for nigh nighs VL. Reading back its clear you've had a bit of a shocker on here tonight. Sweet dreams princess.
Vic Local wrote:Behold the anti-vax whackos in all their glory. Here's a group of them pretending to be veterans at the Brisbane rally yesterday. Bog standard khakis available at BCF, footwear including work boots and running shoes, random hats, and the world's most laughable attempt at marching in formation. Two of them forgot to bring their pants FFS!!
It's all getting a little silly isn't it.
https://twitter.com/Anonykatz1/status/1485026523677868032?s=20
Fark me that hilarious. And there's like 15 of them lol.
Jeez that supposed millions march stuff we saw last year really, predictably, lost steam didn't it. Now it's boiled down to the weirdest of the weird....the only ones left who didn't fold like a deck chair as soon as they flimsy beliefs were tested by harsh realities....and it's not exactly a bunch of 'go getters'.
Also had to have a final laugh about Supa's comment re. Malone. He's apparently challenged doctors to come back and debate him, after his world tour of meeting with and speaking for straight out anti vax propagandists. Speaks volumes when no one with any level of self respect wants to engage with you, and your left with deafening silence. The small minded would take that as a victory, whereas the adults will find it hilarious.
So according to stok Dr Malone is a anti- vaxer , that’s a very interesting knowledgeable comment .
“This [pandemic] is going to be remembered by the younger generation as a catastrophic moral crime." -@BariWeiss pic.twitter.com/yccNbqZObj
— Bill Maher (@billmaher) January 22, 2022
The end is nigh.
What happens in three months when booster no 1 fades?
https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/23/nhs-staff-throw-scrubs-at-downing-street-...
https://news.yahoo.com/am-done-masks-weve-idiotic-100010292.html
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/01/powerful-professional-cycling-c...
He won't be getting sacked.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-12/pfizer-ceo-bourla-s-p...
Supafreak wrote:So according to stok Dr Malone is a anti- vaxer , that’s a very interesting knowledgeable comment .
Supa, if he had any real respect for his position and field, he wouldn't have gone on an Joe Rogan to begin with. Joe is not the type of interviewer to challenge and pry, he's an entertainer.
So yes, the fact that he uses questionable platforms to discredit mrna vaccines, is why I labelled him an anti vaxxer.
Of course, I'm no expert, just someone talking shit on a surf forum :)
Stok wrote:Supafreak wrote:So according to stok Dr Malone is a anti- vaxer , that’s a very interesting knowledgeable comment .
Supa, if he had any real respect for his position and field, he wouldn't have gone on an Joe Rogan to begin with. Joe is not the type of interviewer to challenge and pry, he's an entertainer.
So yes, the fact that he uses questionable platforms to discredit mrna vaccines, is why I labelled him an anti vaxxer.
Of course, I'm no expert, just someone talking shit on a surf forum :)
Questionable platforms? Rogan has one of the biggest reaches out of ANYONE
You keep being a good obedient doggy Stok. Good boy. Here’s a booster of the same shit that didn’t work
"Questionable platforms? Rogan has one of the biggest reaches out of ANYONE."
That doesn't make him right burleigh. That doesn't make him an authoritative well- trained medical professional. That just means he's a popular bullshit artist, unlike you who is an unpopular bullshit artist.
Stok wrote:Supafreak wrote:So according to stok Dr Malone is a anti- vaxer , that’s a very interesting knowledgeable comment .
Supa, if he had any real respect for his position and field, he wouldn't have gone on an Joe Rogan to begin with. Joe is not the type of interviewer to challenge and pry, he's an entertainer.
So yes, the fact that he uses questionable platforms to discredit mrna vaccines, is why I labelled him an anti vaxxer.
Of course, I'm no expert, just someone talking shit on a surf forum :)
Joe clearly has a bias on covid vaccines
But you obviously havent listed to Joe Rogan if you think he doesn't challenge and pry, he sure does, but he is also respectful of others views and allows them to talk and doesn't shut them down and gives them plenty of time to explain things and its all unedited, so no deception of trying to paint guest in a certain light like much of the mainstream press.
Vic Local wrote:"Questionable platforms? Rogan has one of the biggest reaches out of ANYONE."
That doesn't make him right burleigh. That doesn't make him an authoritative well- trained medical professional. That just means he's a popular bullshit artist, unlike you who is an unpopular bullshit artist.
If you live in a glass house, don’t throw rocks Vic.
You jab junkies have seriously lost the plot, you’re wives must love it though. You seem to enjoy being told what to do, makes life easier right?
Rogan gives a platform for trained professionals to reach millions of people that they wouldn’t have been able to reach through the usual channels.
Rogan's trained professional Dr Malone is a fucking joke. If you didn't have shit for brains you'd know this.
Vic Local wrote:Rogan's trained professional Dr Malone is a fucking joke. If you didn't have shit for brains you'd know this.
I disagree, however he’s had a lot more professionals on his podcast than that.
Don’t tell me you have another uneducated opinion on something you haven’t listened to
Can anyone actually answer this question? (cause i dont have the answer)
People like Dr Malone & Dr Peter McCullough etc are undoubtably very smart people and very knowledgeable in their fields, they aren't just some blow in conspiracy theorist or uneducated in these areas.
So why do they take the views they have????
Whats in it for them????
I honestly just dont get it in this case, but im also not buying a lot of what they selling either.
There has been similar Climate scientist etc that have questioned things generally retired, but its easy to write them off as paid by fossil fuel companies etc, but in the case of Covid Vaccines, there doesn't seem to be the same explanation.
Haven’t watched ( listened ) to all of this yet but this is a really good conversation between two pro vaccine well known doctors.
But its on YouTube so it’s obviously garbage according to the residential guru on anything and everything. indo-dreaming wrote:Can anyone actually answer this question? (cause i dont have the answer)
People like Dr Malone & Dr Peter McCullough etc are undoubtably very smart people and very knowledgeable in their fields, they aren't just some blow in conspiracy theorist or uneducated in these areas.
So why do they take the views they have????
Whats in it for them????
I honestly just dont get it in this case, but im also not buying a lot of what they selling either.
There has been similar Climate scientist etc that have questioned things generally retired, but its easy to write them off as paid by fossil fuel companies etc, but in the case of Covid Vaccines, there doesn't seem to be the same explanation.
It’s a good question indo , what’s in it for them ? McCullough had a good career and was on a heap of different committees , Malone was headed for retirement and could have warn the badge of playing a major role in the development of mRNA technology but instead their careers are in question and McCullough legal costs are going to be huge . Why ? What drives them to take this path ? What’s the payoff ? I’m sure our resident Dr has the answers.
Supafreak wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Can anyone actually answer this question? (cause i dont have the answer)
People like Dr Malone & Dr Peter McCullough etc are undoubtably very smart people and very knowledgeable in their fields, they aren't just some blow in conspiracy theorist or uneducated in these areas.
So why do they take the views they have????
Whats in it for them????
I honestly just dont get it in this case, but im also not buying a lot of what they selling either.
There has been similar Climate scientist etc that have questioned things generally retired, but its easy to write them off as paid by fossil fuel companies etc, but in the case of Covid Vaccines, there doesn't seem to be the same explanation.
It’s a good question indo , what’s in it for them ? McCullough had a good career and was on a heap of different committees , Malone was headed for retirement and could have warn the badge of playing a major role in the development of mRNA technology but instead their careers are in question and McCullough legal costs are going to be huge . Why ? What drives them to take this path ? What’s the payoff ? I’m sure our resident Dr has the answers.
It seems weird.
Do they make money from it all that they otherwise wouldn't???
Or is it for some type of fame?
But then again among many it would have ruined their reputations and i doubt they are in any real need of money.
Or do they really believe what they say???
It just seems it would be easier for them to just remain silent, which makes you think maybe there is others with qualifications that share similar views that have remained silent.
Did you blokes miss the 1000+ highly respected experts calling for the podcast to be pulled for covid misinformation? One of them even called Rogan a menace to public health. Malone is a fantasists and conspiracy theorist. Burleigh, it takes a special brand of stupid to fall for the crap Malone and Rogan are selling.
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/21/1074442185/joe-rogan-doctor-covid-podcast...
Re: the link above -
"We're not talking about fringe ideas," she said. "These are the most popular podcasts in the United States."
The post-truth genie is so far out of the bottle, it's never going back in.
And/or, we're regressing to pre-Enlightenment values.
Geez you would think out of 1000 “highly respected experts “ that there would be at least one willing to debate and challenge Malone to his face . It would surely clear the air wouldn’t it ?
Supafreak wrote:Geez you would think out of 1000 “highly respected experts “ that there would be at least one willing to debate and challenge Malone to his face . It would surely clear the air wouldn’t it ?
They've probably got better things to do than debate an attention seeking conspiracy theorists. Next thing you blokes will be demanding is someone from the FBI debate a nutter who thinks the twin towers attack was an inside job.
Geez, only 1000 signatures vic local. That's cute.
How about the 17,000 signatures supporting DR Malone and a new way forward?
https://www.thedailyexaminer.co.nz/covid-declaration-now-backed-by-more-...
Wait for it.....VL will say they're not real doctors next....can already here him getting fired up.
There are experts in every field who go against the grain; sometimes they’re onto something, but a lot of the time they’re wrong. My brother (an electrical engineer) holds Dr Peter McCullough in high regard, simply because the doctor’s views support his conspiracy theories. However, McCullough has become somewhat of a pariah in the medical establishment, because his views are at odds with the overwhelming majority of other doctors. It’s easy to cry, “But they’re being silenced by the authorities out of fear of losing their jobs!” However, the doctors I’ve asked about this blithely dismiss this accusation, including my father, a retired doctor who has absolutely nothing to fear from the authorities in his twilight years.
Vic Local wrote:Supafreak wrote:Geez you would think out of 1000 “highly respected experts “ that there would be at least one willing to debate and challenge Malone to his face . It would surely clear the air wouldn’t it ?
They've probably got better things to do than debate an attention seeking conspiracy theorists. Next thing you blokes will be demanding is someone from the FBI debate a nutter who thinks the twin towers attack was an inside job.
Better things to do . Oh ok I guess you’re right. It’s not worth educating people on getting vaccinated.
Bluediamond is it just my imagination or is the Daily Examiner a religious right-wing publication?
Pro-gun, anti-abortion etc etc?
Mate, are those really the sites you find yourself on??
Yes Andy M. My favourite site. Found it all by myself!!
If this 17000 signature thing is a hoax, hang me in the square. Happy with that.
Btw Andy M, since you jumped in, what are your actual thoughts on the three recommendations that have been listed as below? (and Overthefalls, would be interested in your take on the 3rd and your dads)
1 Healthy children should not be subject to forced vaccination: they face negligible risk from covid, but face potential permanent, irreversible risk to their health if vaccinated, including heart, brain, reproductive and immune system damage.
2 Natural Immunity Denial has prolonged the pandemic and needlessly restricted the lives of Covid-recovered people. Masks, lockdowns, and other restrictions have caused great harm especially to children and delayed the virus’ transition to endemic status.
3 Health agencies and institutions must cease interfering with the physician-patient relationship. Policymakers are directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths, as a result of institutional interference and blocking treatments proven to cure at a near 100% rate when administered early.
AndyM wrote:Bluediamond is it just my imagination or is the Daily Examiner a religious right-wing publication?
Pro-gun, anti-abortion etc etc?
Mate, are those really the sites you find yourself on??
It's all getting a little more than embarrassing for the conspiracy theorists. They go to comedians, Kelly Slater, and conspiracy nutters for their medical information.
It makes as much sense as going to my GP for help with my cutback, or asking Cadel Evens to be my golf coach.
VL if you have a GP that can help my cutback, please refer him to me.
“3 Health agencies and institutions must cease interfering with the physician-patient relationship. Policymakers are directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths, as a result of institutional interference and blocking treatments proven to cure at a near 100% rate when administered early.”
Authorities only interfere with the doctor-patient relationship when a doctor’s actions present a threat to public health. For example, the GP in my town got suspended for discouraging elderly patients from getting vaccinated and for refusing to accept vaccinated patients in his practice. In other words, he’s a nutter.
bluediamond wrote:Btw Andy M, since you jumped in, what are your actual thoughts on the three recommendations that have been listed as below? (and Overthefalls, would be interested in your take on the 3rd and your dads)
1 Healthy children should not be subject to forced vaccination: they face negligible risk from covid, but face potential permanent, irreversible risk to their health if vaccinated, including heart, brain, reproductive and immune system damage.
2 Natural Immunity Denial has prolonged the pandemic and needlessly restricted the lives of Covid-recovered people. Masks, lockdowns, and other restrictions have caused great harm especially to children and delayed the virus’ transition to endemic status.
3 Health agencies and institutions must cease interfering with the physician-patient relationship. Policymakers are directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths, as a result of institutional interference and blocking treatments proven to cure at a near 100% rate when administered early.
BD, there's so much vague, overly-emotive, loaded language in there I'm not going to even start.
To throw you a bone, I do see this virus as discriminating against the old and the sick so it's worth closely examining how we protect these cohorts and whether or not this includes methods such as blanket lockdowns.
And as for sites such as The Daily Examiner, I reckon staying the fuck away from them would be a good idea.
[:)
Cheers AndyM and Overthefalls.
Good to get your feedback on it. There's probably alot in what you said Overthefalls, regarding what Drs can and can't say, can and can't do according to the current Covid regulations that they are bound under.
When it comes to situations like that, you can see it would be effective, however it must have a downside too.
Anyway, good to hear both your reasoned thoughts. Cheers.
Vic Local wrote:AndyM wrote:Bluediamond is it just my imagination or is the Daily Examiner a religious right-wing publication?
Pro-gun, anti-abortion etc etc?
Mate, are those really the sites you find yourself on??
It's all getting a little more than embarrassing for the conspiracy theorists. They go to comedians, Kelly Slater, and conspiracy nutters for their medical information.
It makes as much sense as going to my GP for help with my cutback, or asking Cadel Evens to be my golf coach.
I think that is a bit of a simplification of people’s position and where the information is coming from VL.
rogan and malone
from a not nutty agenda driven zealot perspective...
'I am an associate professor of epidemiology and biostatistics, as well as a practising physician, and I firmly believe that it would be a mistake to censor Rogan under the guise of combating “misinformation”.
Rogan is not a scientist, and, like everyone else, he has his biases. But he is open-minded, sceptical, and his podcast is an important forum for debate and dialogue. It is not enough, moreover, to simply dismiss Malone and McCullough as conspiracy theorists. They are controversial and polarising figures, but they do have real credentials. Malone is a physician who has worked in molecular biology and drug development for decades, while McCullough was, until recently, an academic cardiologist and researcher."
https://unherd.com/2022/01/we-need-to-talk-about-the-vaccines/
burleigh wrote:Stok wrote:Supafreak wrote:So according to stok Dr Malone is a anti- vaxer , that’s a very interesting knowledgeable comment .
Supa, if he had any real respect for his position and field, he wouldn't have gone on an Joe Rogan to begin with. Joe is not the type of interviewer to challenge and pry, he's an entertainer.
So yes, the fact that he uses questionable platforms to discredit mrna vaccines, is why I labelled him an anti vaxxer.
Of course, I'm no expert, just someone talking shit on a surf forum :)
Questionable platforms? Rogan has one of the biggest reaches out of ANYONE
You keep being a good obedient doggy Stok. Good boy. Here’s a booster of the same shit that didn’t work
Kim Kardashian has a larger reach than Rogan. Does that make her a greater authority?
burleigh, proving again he is the head village idiot.
"It is perfectly valid to question the wisdom of boosters, at least in young people, though I do think they are beneficial for older and more vulnerable people. Like Malone, I have seen researchers smeared as “anti-vaxxers” for simply suggesting that myocarditis is a real safety concern, or that we don’t know the optimal duration and dosing strategy of vaccination, particularly for young and healthy people and those who have recovered from infection. Malone and Rogan are correct that the media dismisses concerns over myocarditis by claiming that most cases are “mild”, when in fact it is too early for us to know the full effects. And I agree that this is an area of live debate that has not been adequately covered by the media."
"At one point in his interview, Malone says: “Think twice about giving these jabs to your kids.” While I can understand how many will be angered by this statement, the truth is other nations, such as the United Kingdom, are thinking twice — at least for healthy 5 to 11-year-olds, the group with the lowest risk of bad outcomes from Covid. As of this moment, the UK’s advisory panel has said that only 5 to 11-year-olds with comorbidities should get vaccinated."
"Malone, Rogan, and McCullough are all correct on one topic: there is an effort to suppress information and censor debate on social media. The clearest example is that for more than a year, Facebook banned all discussion of the lab-leak hypothesis, until articles by Nicholson Baker, Nicholas Wade, and Donald McNeil broke the dam. This was a remarkable suppression of free speech.
Previously, I investigated the mechanism by which Facebook polices pandemic “misinformation” through third-party investigators. I found, in several cases, that the expert designated to fact-check a claim had already stated their opinion on it prior to being selected. This is a deeply problematic mechanism, as the person who selects the fact-checkers can scour the Internet to an expert who agrees with them, and there is no external review, appeal or oversight."
"Malone and McCullough both make valid points that vaccine policy has not accommodated scientific knowledge of natural immunity. Should vaccines be required for people who have already been infected with Covid? If a healthy young person had one dose of the vaccine and then got Omicron, do they need a second? What if a person had two doses and Omicron — should they need to receive a booster, as some workplaces now require? These are open and legitimate questions."
https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/fourth-covid-vaccine-shot-fo...
The anti vax clowns often cite Israel...now it is not in favor of their bias, I'm guessing they no longer will look to Israel.
NSW 1st -8th Jan- (Vax rate 93.8%) > (Vaxer'z Infection rate 98.2%)
UK 26th Dec -16th Jan (Vax rate 68.19%) > ( Vaxer'z Infection rate 89%)
tbb's infectious exclusive Vax series continues...with or without dopey paid off MSM.
SA 1st-4th Jan (Vax rate 88.2%) > (Vaxer'z Infection rate 93.25%)
Govt's tried dumping o/s + Youth + 1 dose + pre 2 dose onto No Vax pile to slow down the inevitable.
SA lasted right up to 4th Jan when Full Vax % spread spike peaked higher than SA-1 dose Vax 92.5%
Perfect timing...(Time to Go!) Pure Evil Vax data was jettisoned into space...
SA censored Daily Vax case data from same day...knowing Vaxerz spread more than unvaxed Omicron.
https://www.covid-19.sa.gov.au/latest-news/covid-19-update-4-january-2022
https://www.covid-19.sa.gov.au/latest-news/covid-19-update-5-january-2022
There's ya Hat Trick of Govt Expert Liars with MSM turning a blind eye to Crime of the Century!
Please all...Do the Right Thing and tear out that infectious chapter from yer Vax Comic book...still good!
Vax Race 2022
Roadkill wrote:https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/fourth-covid-vaccine-shot-fo...
The anti vax clowns often cite Israel...now it is not in favor of their bias, I'm guessing they no longer will look to Israel.
You do realise in the article that it states it being not very effective for omicron? Its a useless headline if it means nothing for the new strain. https://www.israel21c.org/israel-finds-4th-vaccine-dose-not-as-effective...
Roadkill wrote:https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/fourth-covid-vaccine-shot-fo...
The anti vax clowns often cite Israel...now it is not in favor of their bias, I'm guessing they no longer will look to Israel.
Jerusalem: A fourth dose of COVID-19 vaccine given to people over 60 in Israel made them three times more resistant to serious illness than thrice-vaccinated people in the same age group, Israel’s Health Ministry said.
The ministry also said on Sunday that the fourth dose, or second booster, made people over 60 twice as resistant to infection than those in the age group who received three shots of the vaccine.
A preliminary study published by Israel’s Sheba medical centre last Monday found that the fourth shot increases antibodies to even higher levels than the third but “probably” not to the point that it could completely fend off the highly transmissible Omicron variant.
Israel began offering a fourth dose of the Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine to people over 60 earlier this month as Omicron swept the country.
Imagine what 7 or 8 might achieve.
Well, for the over 60's...
good article syp and follows on from supa's youtube link.
https://peterattiamd.com/why-im-for-covid-vaccines-but-against-vaccine-m...
"there is an important distinction to be drawn between Science and Advocacy. Clear lines should be drawn between those two concepts. Vaccine mandates are a prime example of how those lines are often blurred....Speaking in absolutes is not the aim"
The author of that article was on rogan also. But hey so was Neil deGrasse Tyson. One of the best science communicators we have ever seen.
The problem with boosters is there effectiveness fade in a few months, so you have to keep getting boasters.
Does anyone really want to keep doing this for possibly the rest of their life's? (especially if younger and not even a high risk group)
And for those that have already had Omicron and barely got sick when only double vaxed is there really any point to get boosters?
Getting a vaccination once or twice is fine, but getting one every few months for god knows how long is very different thing..
Like it or not there is a lot of unknowns on the long term effect of booster after booster.
Personally id much rather get it when im forced too for travel etc, and then if im older and a higher risk group.
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia