2022 Election

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blindboy started the topic in Saturday, 13 Nov 2021 at 7:46am

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Supafreak Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 9:01pm

@indo , who was responsible for the ruby princess f- up ?

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indo-dreaming Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 9:01pm

@velocityjohnno

Each to their own, but i think the outbreak happened at the right time, it helped push vaccine numbers up and it took away the need to say okay we are now opening up to the world, i think that decision would have become really political and divisive and got real messy.

Probably even a good thing it happened in NSW, if it happened in Vic, Dan probably would have tried to lock down harder thinking he could get numbers to zero.

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Vic Local Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 9:07pm
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Each to their own, but i think the outbreak happened at the right time, it helped push vaccine numbers up and it took away the need to say okay we are now opening up to the world, i think that decision would have become really political and divisive and got real messy.

Probably even a good thing it happened in NSW, if it happened in Vic, Dan probably would have tried to lock down harder thinking he could get numbers to zero.

Wow, so when Gladys stuffed up massively, it's a good thing. FFS ID, it's all getting a bit silly with you mate.
Imagine if I tried that logic with the Vic outbreak. "It was actually a good thing because it encouraged Scotty to buy vaccines." You'd piss your self laughing. Yes mate, I am laughing at you.

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indo-dreaming Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 9:08pm
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@indo , who was responsible for the ruby princess f- up ?

Id expect Gladys or Scomo.

But as i pointed out the incident happened right at the start of the pandemic pretty much the same week the world locked down, and it did not result in thousands of cases and 800 deaths.

It's completely different to the major fuck up in Victoria that happened months into the pandemic when we had learnt so much more and resulted in almost 800 deaths and contributed to the worlds longest lockdown state in the world.

It's not even worth talking about, its like comparing spilling a drop of beer on the carpet to smashing a bottle of red on the carpet.

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Vic Local Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 9:12pm
indo-dreaming wrote:
Supafreak wrote:

@indo , who was responsible for the ruby princess f- up ?

Id expect Gladys or Scomo.

But as i pointed out the incident happened right at the start of the pandemic pretty much the same week the world locked down, and it did not result in thousands of cases and 800 deaths.

It's completely different to the major fuck up in Victoria that happened months into the pandemic when we had learnt so much more and resulted in almost 800 deaths and contributed to the worlds longest lockdown state in the world.

It's not even worth talking about, its like comparing spilling a drop of beer on the carpet to smashing a bottle of red on the carpet.

So Ruby princess was excusable because it was at the start of the pandemic but Vic Outbreak was unforgivable because it happened a few months later. What exactly does that make the Sydney outbreak a year after that?
Go to bed ID, you're drunk.

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mattlock Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 9:13pm

Stop it Indo. You're cracking me up.

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velocityjohnno Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 9:17pm

No worries Indo, different views and all that. It's now academic. To intervene or let it go.

The really interesting thing would be if you all let me be head central banker or economics minister, I'd let interest rates find their non-intervention levels of somewhere between 6 and 10 percent and crash the entire market and economy so hard from this bubble, businesses would fail in their thousands, but then we'd have price discovery, all the bad debt would be wiped out (so would the overstretched banking system) and we could bounce back with great levels of growth and savings and great employment - after a momentous depression, which is due. I'd have a picture of Paul Volker with a huge cigar on my office wall while I do this. It would be epic.

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sypkan Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 9:39pm

I think its a bit disingenuous of all above to play such blatant blame games

it was obvous right from the start NSW and VIC were taking very different approaches to outbreaks with vicco going hard, with city / state wide lockdowns and NSW taking a more targeted management approach

one could argue these positions were purely ideoligical, but other states approaches suggest otherwise, as pointed out on the minefield by waleed ally

so while all you guys above (except vj) want to gratuitiously blame your chosen enemies... the reality is, there were different approaches adopted state by state, as is also the case in the US etc.

the debate just comes down to whether dan's hardnut (but somewhat incompetent) aporoach to keep cases at zero was worth 2 years of pain, only to have to face the reality of the virus eventually?

or was gladys' management stategy, that endeavoured to keep the place operating and lives reasonably normal until ready to face the virus a better option?

it's a hard question at the time

...especially at the beginning, as dan's hardnut approach seemed appropriate...

and in contrast, ...gladys' aporoach seemed just flat out irresponsible at times...

but with hindsight, and with the inevitability of facing the virus now upon us.... i know which city I'd rather have been in for the last two years...

by a country mile!!

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sypkan Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 9:37pm

'So Ruby princess was excusable because it was at the start of the pandemic but Vic Outbreak was unforgivable because it happened a few months later. What exactly does that make the Sydney outbreak a year after that?
Go to bed ID, you're drunk.'

no

vic outbreak is unforgivable because of the use of rent a cop private security and nothing else...

ip inspired rent a cop doing the work of government employees under direction of a labor government!

a bloody disgrace

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Vic Local Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 10:11pm

sypkan, mistakes were obviously made in Melbourne quarantine but that doesn't mean the Vic Govt was entirely to blame for the scale of the outbreak. Quarantine is a federal responsibility which Scumo just shamelessly handballed to the states. This dickhead PM still hasn't built any fit-for purpose facilities despite state govts handing him plans and locations on a platter. Two fucking years and nothing. NOTHING.
Most of the deaths in Vic occurred in private nursing homes, a fed responsibility. Scumo watched covid rip through Sydney aged care homes 3 months earlier and his govt did fuck all to prepare this sector for the obvious onslaught.
I'm happy to forgive early mistakes (yes even the Ruby Princess). What is unforgivable is governments doing nothing when action was obviously required, or failing to learn from others mistakes.
Scumo's handling of the pandemic has been woeful, and the Gladys fuckup was truly pathetic. She learnt nothing from the Victorian experience, she ignored the medical advice, and her arrogance costs the country big time. And the bastards in the LNP are trying to parachute that corrupt arrogant fuck into federal parliament. What a shit show.

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I focus Monday, 6 Dec 2021 at 10:39pm

"Hotel infectious diseases quarantine"... hmmm what's wrong with that statement?

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 8:36am
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I think its a bit disingenuous of all above to play such blatant blame games

it was obvous right from the start NSW and VIC were taking very different approaches to outbreaks with vicco going hard, with city / state wide lockdowns and NSW taking a more targeted management approach

one could argue these positions were purely ideoligical, but other states approaches suggest otherwise, as pointed out on the minefield by waleed ally

so while all you guys above (except vj) want to gratuitiously blame your chosen enemies... the reality is, there were different approaches adopted state by state, as is also the case in the US etc.

the debate just comes down to whether dan's hardnut (but somewhat incompetent) aporoach to keep cases at zero was worth 2 years of pain, only to have to face the reality of the virus eventually?

or was gladys' management stategy, that endeavoured to keep the place operating and lives reasonably normal until ready to face the virus a better option?

it's a hard question at the time

...especially at the beginning, as dan's hardnut approach seemed appropriate...

and in contrast, ...gladys' aporoach seemed just flat out irresponsible at times...

but with hindsight, and with the inevitability of facing the virus now upon us.... i know which city I'd rather have been in for the last two years...

by a country mile!!

Well said completely nailed it, and yep id know which id choose too.

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Vic Local Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 9:01am

"Well said completely nailed it, and yep id know which id choose too"
Of course everyone would have preferred Sydney's lockdown compared to Melbourne's.
Sydney of course got to choose their approach BECAUSE Victoria locked down hard. Victorians did the hard yards so the virus didn't spread widely.
Gladys on the other hand didn't offer the rest of the country the same courtesy. She chose a half arsed lockdown, got priority use of vaccines, and spread the damn virus across the country, forcing other jurisdictions to lock down. Victorians did the right thing by the country. Gladys, not so much.

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I focus Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 10:25am
sypkan wrote:

I think its a bit disingenuous of all above to play such blatant blame games

it was obvous right from the start NSW and VIC were taking very different approaches to outbreaks with vicco going hard, with city / state wide lockdowns and NSW taking a more targeted management approach

one could argue these positions were purely ideoligical, but other states approaches suggest otherwise, as pointed out on the minefield by waleed ally

so while all you guys above (except vj) want to gratuitiously blame your chosen enemies... the reality is, there were different approaches adopted state by state, as is also the case in the US etc.

the debate just comes down to whether dan's hardnut (but somewhat incompetent) aporoach to keep cases at zero was worth 2 years of pain, only to have to face the reality of the virus eventually?

or was gladys' management stategy, that endeavoured to keep the place operating and lives reasonably normal until ready to face the virus a better option?

it's a hard question at the time

...especially at the beginning, as dan's hardnut approach seemed appropriate...

and in contrast, ...gladys' aporoach seemed just flat out irresponsible at times...

but with hindsight, and with the inevitability of facing the virus now upon us.... i know which city I'd rather have been in for the last two years...

by a country mile!!

So that would be Perth then...

Realistically if Victoria didn't lock down hard at the time the rest of Australia (exception of WA maybe) would have been possibly awash with COVID?

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 10:29am

@VL

Obviously Sypkan is talking about the approach of both states from day one.

It's pretty funny really Dan went hard from day one trying to out do the other states you would expect with the outlook if we go harder than them we will do better than them, and the exact opposite happened.

It's almost like there was some god up there watching going, this guy ia nasty piece of work let's screw his plans up.

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Vic Local Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 11:11am

"Realistically if Victoria didn't lock down hard at the time the rest of Australia (exception of WA maybe) would have been possibly awash with COVID?"
Exactly I Focus. And the LNP had the nerve to politicise the pandemic making Dan Andrews public enemy number 1. Frydenberg was telling everyone Victoria was hurting the national economy when in reality, Vic was taking a big financial hit to protect the national economy.
When Gladys didn't lock down Sydney effectively, spreading the virus to the rest of the country, she was called "gold standard". The LNP bums were cheering the bin chicken on while she bent over and dry arse fucked the entire continent. Now they are trying to parachute the arrogant corrupt scumbag into Federal Parliament. They have no shame.

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sypkan Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 11:50am

"So that would be Perth then..."

not really

not at all actually...

you guys are still living in a 2019 world waiting for the warden to let you out. I know it may feel you're winning at something... but trust me, living through facing the virus brings a sense of relief

"...Realistically if Victoria didn't lock down hard at the time the rest of Australia (exception of WA maybe) would have been possibly awash with COVID?"

not really again, SA lived on their doorstep, complete with vicco dickheads running the gauntlet etc. and they did alright...

with a liberal, libertarian, economy rules, right wing premier to boot!

...if ya wanna play that game....

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sypkan Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 12:12pm

"It's pretty funny really Dan went hard from day one trying to out do the other states you would expect with the outlook if we go harder than them we will do better than them, and the exact opposite happened.

It's almost like there was some god up there watching going, this guy ia nasty piece of work let's screw his plans up."

it is pretty funny

you've gotta wonder what he was thinking...

especially considering certain partnerships and influences... almost seemed like the vicco government were answering to a higher power for a while there...

personally i think all the premiers had a severe case of... deer in headlights / stick with what you know / bureaucratic inertia... and were often slow to adjust...

with dandrews being the biggest offender...which has now turned into public disatisfaction / outright contempt...

and geez, if the rest of oz didn't move on a bit, it seems he'd still be there, locked down chasing zero covid...

still!

the dude's a unit

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GuySmiley Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 1:18pm

The question to ask here is who is the fluffed and who is the fluffer?

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batfink Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 4:05pm

May I respectfully suggest that the major difference in number of days locked down, infections and deaths etc was more to do with luck than anything else.

Sypkan’s right about the security guard fuck up in Melbourne. You could have used security companies to some extent, provided it was under the direct supervision of some hard nuts from police and health.

Gladys’ Ruby Princess stuff up was monumental, aided and abetted by ScoMo’s hands off do nothing policy, and an entirely inept border force that had Dutton in charge as Minister.

In terms of not learning from your mistakes, Gladys’ effort in late June this year takes the cake. Her hands off and don’t lock down attitude saw us all locked down for 4 months. Could have been two weeks. Learned nothing, too busy playing comparative politics with Dan Andrews. Probably too busy worrying about ICAC hearings to come.

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batfink Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 4:17pm

So take yourself back 21 months. Early lockdown memories, mid March and work is still wondering whether to have us working from home. Me, I’m just awaiting the inevitable, wondering why university management was taking so long to work out what I could tell was coming.

Colleague voices shock at reading that we might be working from home until June, a whole 3 months away. It did seem shocking, in one sense, but on the other hand that was going to be the least of it.

Imagine if you were told then that in 18 months time we were hoping to come out of our last lockdown, that there would be yo-young lockdowns, lite, heavy and in between. Imagine that a vaccine would be developed in record time, 3 in fact with more to come. That there would be a godawful rise of vaccine and other conspiracy theories through it all, and that while you were locked down, every farker under the sun would be taking up both surfing and golf, making the local beach uninhabitable and the golf course a freaking circus.

It would have been hard to take, if you knew then what was to come. Lost my job in amongst all that, so there was some good news in there.

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Cockee Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 4:57pm

The wordsmith is at it again - 'The LNP bums were cheering the bin chicken on while she bent over and dry arse fucked the entire continent. Now they are trying to parachute the arrogant corrupt scumbag into Federal Parliament. They have no shame.' Gladys would no doubt speak highly of you too, vic, if given the chance. BTW did you push back?

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blindboy Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 4:58pm

Misogyny is never justified.

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velocityjohnno Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 5:05pm

Hey Batfink, 1st post excellent. I might add in the competitive squabbling between NSW and Vic that while Gladys was doing hands off and don't lock down to show up the despised ALP rivals in Vic, Dan was locking down. Then, when it appeared it was beginning to take off in NSW and look terrible for Gladys, Dan stopped his lockdown and it seems to me did so as if to show his way was better. Everyone went yay in Melbourne, and then within 2 or 3 weeks the removalist infection had taken seed. Thus, when he had to go back into lockdown again, I think everyone gave up.

If he had not done this and instead kept the restrictions for that little while longer, the western suburbs delta cluster and the removalists one may well have been picked up before it went to the footy/rugby. I think he could have come out a bit later, but a lot, lot better and actually managed it. But he did make NSW look silly for those 2-3 weeks, so there's that. If I think of a point when things were bungled here in Vic, it's this moment, perhaps equal to the pc nepotism of the security guard stuff up early on.

It's not so much one political side or the other being the bad guy, but rather the policy differences being used as infighting weapons between them, that has been so frustrating to watch through this. Maybe Sustainable Australia could run the place better.

(I do enjoy watching WA continually pull the finger at 'over east' - this insularity seems to trump party allegiances. Works well in a pandemic!)

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 5:25pm
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Misogyny is never justified.

Vic Local wrote:

The LNP bums were cheering the bin chicken on while she bent over and dry arse fucked the entire continent.

Yeah that was pretty trashy even by VL aggressive potty mouth standards.

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 5:30pm
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and geez, if the rest of oz didn't move on a bit, it seems he'd still be there, locked down chasing zero covid...

still!

the dude's a unit

Don't know about you, but it honestly was a big relief to know we had finally given up that pointless game and actually started to join the rest of the world in living with Covid.

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"Don't know about you, but it honestly was a big relief to know we had finally given up that pointless game and actually started to join the rest of the world in living with Covid."
Rubbish.
Victoria was opening up no matter what when vaccination rates went up. We could have done that two ways. With a handful of cases (if gladys did a proper lockdown) or wth 1000 new cases a day because Gladys ignored the expert's advice. Victoria got the latter and had no choice in the matter. And if Scumo had actually procured the vaccines in a timely manner, this entire debate would have been irrelevant. That last long lockdown is the LNP lockdown, spread by arrogant Gladys and enhanced by incompetent Scumo.

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indo-dreaming wrote:
blindboy wrote:

Misogyny is never justified.

Vic Local wrote:

The LNP bums were cheering the bin chicken on while she bent over and dry arse fucked the entire continent.

Yeah that was pretty trashy even by VL aggressive potty mouth standards.

Geez, someone is now cherry picking his own blockhead when it comes to describing female politicians, seem to remember this smelly sea-square having lots to say about Gillard and Ardern.

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Patrick Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 6:33pm

"Greens senator Lidia Thorpe apologises for sexist comments directed at Liberal Hollie Hughes"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100668108

Inferred she was a slut. Nice.

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Patrick Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 6:32pm

Sexism in parliament is rife.
Thorpey even called a NT minister a white man when the minister is actually an Aboriginal female. Ignoramuses are in every party it seems.

"In NT Parliament last night Ms Uibo, an Aboriginal woman, said Senator Thorpe needed to get her "facts straight" after her speech in Canberra on Tuesday incorrectly assumed Ms Uibo was a male, who "hopefully" was white."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100136066

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Patrick Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 6:35pm

The dog noises directed at the female politician (forgotten who) was terrible. A disgrace. Parliament is a cess pit.

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 6:39pm
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spread by arrogant Gladys and enhanced by incompetent Scumo.

There is only one state leader that has been more arrogant than Dan and that was Kennett as for incompetent, there is no other politician in Australia that is as incompetent as Dan, the stats don't lie, more deaths under Dans watch than all the other states combined and even managed to get a world record on lockdowns.

And somehow he has managed to keep his job? .....it's just unbelievable.

Anyone else would have eaten humble pie and admitted they aren't up to the job and resigned months ago.

As for Scomo, fuck imagine having Dan ring you up every second month wanting more money because he has fucked up the Victorian economy and caused people to lose jobs and destroyed business, and then on top of that completely fuck up Australias stats alone.

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 6:45pm
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"Greens senator Lidia Thorpe apologises for sexist comments directed at Liberal Hollie Hughes"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100668108

Inferred she was a slut. Nice.

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Sexism in parliament is rife.
Thorpey even called a NT minister a white man when the minister is actually an Aboriginal female. Ignoramuses are in every party it seems.

"In NT Parliament last night Ms Uibo, an Aboriginal woman, said Senator Thorpe needed to get her "facts straight" after her speech in Canberra on Tuesday incorrectly assumed Ms Uibo was a male, who "hopefully" was white."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100136066

Worst women in politics so divisive, loved it when that NT Attorney-General called her out though.

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GuySmiley Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 6:53pm

Stats?

Try SpendMo’s ONE TRILLION DOLLAR debt and deficit disaster.

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Vic Local Tuesday, 7 Dec 2021 at 7:44pm

Thorpe at least put up her hand and offered a full and genuine apology without a but...
It's not like she was covering up rapes like your shitful LNP mob Indo Dreaming.

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Supafreak Wednesday, 8 Dec 2021 at 9:27am

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Constance B Gibson Wednesday, 8 Dec 2021 at 4:15pm

...and it ain't a race either!

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Constance B Gibson Wednesday, 8 Dec 2021 at 7:34pm

Federal election: Battle lines drawn to defy Scott Morrison’s intervention (Yoni Basham and The Australian)

"NSW Liberal officials have engaged ICAC barrister Scott Robertson to defend them against the possibility of a federal intervention by Scott Morrison to install preferred candidates into a swath of crucial battleground electorates.

The Australian has learned that Mr Robertson was consulted and is likely to be retained in any court proceedings after legal advice warned that the Prime Minister’s threat to override the preselection process was potentially unlawful.

Mr Robertson acted as counsel assisting for the Independent Commission Against Corruption during its recent investigation of former NSW premier Gladys Bere­jiklian, who is now being courted by Mr Morrison and others to stand for the Sydney seat of Warringah.

The legal advice provided to Liberal officials by Pryor Tzannes & Wallis Solicitors says Mr Morrison would lack the appropriate authority to order an intervention of the kind he threatened a fortnight ago, according to an official briefed on the matter.

“There’s steps you need to take for a federal intervention,” the ­official said. “The advice is he hasn’t got a trigger, and if they were to (proceed with intervention), we would certainly ­engage (a court process).”
Mr Morrison issued his threat on the grounds that ongoing disputes were stifling the choice of candidates in key electorates, namely those where his preferred options were encountering resistance from state powerbrokers.

The Liberal Party is without confirmed candidates in Hughes, Gilmore, Bennelong, Dobell, Macquarie, Parramatta, Greenway and Eden-Monaro.

In Dobell on the NSW central coast, Mr Morrison is backing ­pentecostal preacher Jemima Gleeson in what multiple state ­officials described as a “captain’s pick” that continues to deadlock the negotiations.
Ms Gleeson, a “worship leader” with the Hope Unlimited Church, is Mr Morrison’s preference over cardiologist Michael Feneley, who has the backing of moderate and conservative leaders.

A federal source said Mr Morrison was not seeking a “captain’s pick” in Dobell, and the Prime Minister had never spoken to Ms Gleeson.

“The government’s only interest in candidate selection is finding good people who appeal to their communities and can win seats,” the source said.

The Australian understands Ms Gleeson was given a special exemption by NSW Liberal state executive members to stand as a candidate due to her lack of recent involvement with the party.

Similar tussles exist in other seats such as Hughes, in Sydney’s south, where Mr Morrison’s preferred candidate, NSW MP Mel­anie Gibbons, faces moderate-backed Jenny Ware and the conservatives-backed Wade McInerney.

NSW conservative officials insist Mr McInerney be endorsed in Hughes and that a third Senate spot, held by Concetta Fierravanti-Wells, be handed over as well.

“They’re non-negotiables,” one official said. Another said: “Maybe we’ll concede Dobell (to the Prime Minister) but not Hughes or Warringah or Bennelong.”

Some negotiations appear to have advanced, according to those who are party to the discussions. Conservative and moderate forces in the NSW camp have agreed to oppose preselection challenges against incumbent MPs.

The next meeting of the NSW Liberal state executive on December 17 is one of the last opportunities to resolve the party discord before the new year."

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mattlock Wednesday, 8 Dec 2021 at 8:35pm

We definately don't need more "happy clappys" in our so called secular parliament.

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Constance B Gibson Thursday, 9 Dec 2021 at 3:17pm

Kill 'em with Salt!

"And here’s the rub – the point of the breath of the salesman, the aim of the rotating imagery is to appeal to the disengaged, to the Australians in their millions who don’t follow politics and find it all a bit hard and confusing and Jesus, all of those politicians are bullshit artists and I hate it all, but oh yeah, Scott Morrison’s a real family man. He’s a good bloke. Loves a beer, cough-spit-footy-boots. Just like us.

They don’t know how they know it or why they know it but somehow that image of Scott Morrison, that feeling just seems to have miraculously sunk in. It works. And come 2022, It may even work again."

https://theshot.net.au/general-news/the-marketing-of-scott-morrison/?fbc...

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Blowin Thursday, 9 Dec 2021 at 3:29pm

Nah. Scummocchio is all over. The man in the street may not care too much for politics or politicians in depth but they’ve got no tolerance for a shit talking tubby cnt who runs from trouble.

BTW- Dont think that Scummocchio’s “cobber mate down-to-Earth All- Aussie “manufactured image is a one off either. Not when you think of the fluffing that went down when Albo called someone a boofhead.

He’s so relatable! Yeah, that chinless wonder with the baby smooth hands and the multimillion dollar investment property portfolio who’s never had a real job or lived further than you could chuck a skim soy latte from the Sydney CBD is so relatable to the working class Australians throughout our wide brown land.

But he had a single mum*!!!!!!!!!

* Who sent him to a private school.

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Constance B Gibson Thursday, 9 Dec 2021 at 4:24pm

Cheers Bloke-in for the 'straight from the horse's erm, mouth' political analysis (the dead nag being a Howard 'battler'/Tony's tradie/Hanson 'aspirational', fake working-class, lumpen bourgeoisie forelock tugger!)

Always enlightening.

Just never in the way you hope and pray.

Then again with 35+ years of loud n proud, self-proclaimed political pig-ignorance, who's surprised?

Stick to your COVID conniptions, fatberg. As a man of principle, SN salutes you!

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Constance B Gibson Thursday, 9 Dec 2021 at 4:25pm

Hang on, aren't you fully vaccinated??

Hmmmm...

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Fliplid Thursday, 9 Dec 2021 at 4:44pm

"Nah. Scummocchio is all over."

We can only hope, then again as soon as he puts on a hi vis vest there's always a scramble to get a selfie with the smirking turd.

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Supafreak Friday, 10 Dec 2021 at 8:25pm

ALP (56.5%) increases lead over the L-NP (43.5%) to the largest since the last election as Morrison Government mired in infighting in final weeks of year. https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8878-federal-voting-intention-decembe...

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AndyM Friday, 10 Dec 2021 at 8:30pm

Slightly encouraging but we should all know by now that those polls count for diddly squat.

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blindboy Sunday, 26 Dec 2021 at 2:13pm

Public Deceptions

Public relations is fundamentally about deception. Its purpose is to persuade us that something is better than it is. It tells us that products are more useful, durable or reliable than they are but at the same time tells a much greater lie; that such products will make us happier. The entire unresolved, ongoing tragedy of consumerism rests precisely in our ability to be persuaded of that.

For corporations the lie is altruism. The message is that they are vitally concerned with our well being and that of the planet. Sadly, the vacuousness and obvious falsity of that claim has yet to diminish its effectiveness. For people, the lie is capacity, that they are worthy of the high position they hold, or to which they aspire. The effectiveness of this lie is similarly undiminished as is shown by the unsuitability of so many of our elected representatives for the positions they hold.

In a politically astute electorate, the election of a public relations practitioner to high office then should be impossible. The gap between the honesty expected of an elected representative and the basic dishonesty of the trade should be too great to be bridged. Yet here we are with Scott Morrison as Member For Cook, an electorate based on the Shire, that bastion of white, Christian wealth and privilege on the southern reaches of Sydney, best known nationally for the racist 2005 Cronulla riots.

Even allowing for the possibility that the majority of the electorate rejected the riotous and contemptible behaviour, there is not much to be said in defence of the electors of Cook. They have voted for Morrison five times and, by now, surely have a grasp of who he is and what he stands for. Yet whatever we think of the electors of Cook we can hardly blame them for the result of the 2019 federal election that confirmed Morrison as Prime Minister. The only available conclusion in that regard is that a majority of Australians of voting age are motivated by some combination of ignorance, indifference and naked self-interest.

As we lurch into 2022, our certainties shredded by the two years of pandemic, we know that things have changed but have no clear idea of what those changes are or what they might mean for our futures, individual or collective. Much has been obscured entirely or was seen only with peripheral vision as our focus locked onto the central obsession of the disease; its numbers, its distribution, its vaccines and treatments.

Issues which once would have been prominent for weeks disappeared into the small print. Sports rorts, rape allegations, the submarine debacle, car park rorts. And if the air cleared briefly, there was Morrison in high vis, spruiking distractions, waving a flag, castigating China or France, inserting “Australia” or “Australians” into every other sentence like a magical formula. Abracadabra! Everything that follows must be true! To dispute is to be unpatriotic. As if the words themselves somehow formed a truth serum. All demonstrating that while patriotism may not be the last refuge of scoundrels, it has long been the first refuge of incompetent political leaders,

So we now look forward to a federal election driven towards the infantile by the result of the last. When a party presenting clearly stated, and funded progressive policies can be beaten by party with nothing to offer beyond posturing (on electrical vehicles), appeals to the hip pocket nerve (franking credits) and more of the same malign neglect that has been characteristic of the coalition years in power, then what hope that things might be different this time? Why bother planning, funding and announcing policy when the majority is so easily distracted by the same tricks used to sell them their consumer desires and always seem to forget that there is no guarantee or refund policy that covers a dud government.