2022 Election

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blindboy started the topic in Saturday, 13 Nov 2021 at 7:46am

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velocityjohnno Friday, 26 Nov 2021 at 5:28pm

Anyone remember the elderly parent visa proposal - just to voters of some groups? I wondered of the strain on health system, the people to be brought in having not put into it either. The opposite of immigration to provide a working population to support the already large BB generation as it's health needs become more acute.

Policy was poor.

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sypkan Friday, 26 Nov 2021 at 5:41pm
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Anyone remember the elderly parent visa proposal - just to voters of some groups? I wondered of the strain on health system, the people to be brought in having not put into it either. The opposite of immigration to provide a working population to support the already large BB generation as it's health needs become more acute.

Policy was poor.

I actually had a open mind to labor last election until that brainfart into the ridiculous came along

it so much didn't make sense it was mind blowing

and game over

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Constance B Gibson Friday, 26 Nov 2021 at 6:36pm

So outraged by marginal (in more cases, not even) policy given out-of-all-proportion corporate media clickbait coverage (coverage specifically tailored to you and your ilk!)??

Outrageous!

And then feedback-looped, spiralling into outrage upon outrage upon confected outrage...all based on clickbait stories designed and tailored specifically for that purpose...to YOUSE!

And regurgitated on here.

Fuck-a-duck!

Oh, and on the fake equivalence balance sheet, well, they're both the same, anyway...but of course!

ps and don't forget the meaningless US buzzwords. Just 'cos.

pps and US-style right old libertarianism! Is there a worse crock of ill-fitting, not-fit-for-Oz-purpose, absolute shite?

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Constance B Gibson Friday, 26 Nov 2021 at 7:15pm

"Time and time again, Scott Morrison has shown us all who he is and what he represents. He sits atop the most misfit, inept federal government in living memory; a claque of Ayn Rand fetishists, hucksters, visionless shills, money wasting corporatists, amoral science-denying reprobates and degenerate liars, indulging in an orgy of self-interested greed and duplicity that will be read about in the history books of our generation."

https://theshot.net.au/general-news/scott-morrison-not-with-a-bang-but-a...

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sypkan Friday, 26 Nov 2021 at 7:53pm

"So outraged by marginal (in more cases, not even) policy given out-of-all-proportion corporate media clickbait coverage (coverage specifically tailored to you and your ilk!)??

Outrageous!

And then feedback-looped, spiralling into outrage upon outrage upon confected outrage...all based on clickbait stories designed and tailored specifically for that purpose...to YOUSE!

And regurgitated on here.

Fuck-a-duck!

Oh, and on the fake equivalence balance sheet, well, they're both the same, anyway...but of course!

ps and don't forget the meaningless US buzzwords. Just 'cos.

pps and US-style right old libertarianism! Is there a worse crock of ill-fitting, not-fit-for-Oz-purpose, absolute shite?"

actually cunnie... you're totally and unequivocally wrong...

again...

you see, the little grandma import business, didn't even make it to the corporate media mill and my 'ilk's' tailoring needs

because it barely got past a couple of macrobusiness articles and an outraged university professor or two... (my ilk?)

which kimda blew me away at the time

because the 'policy' was a disgrace... as labor had apparently been beavering away in the shadows (hiding), for two election cycles, with their 'revolutionary' 'plan' to bring down 'the big end of town', by taking away some tax scams from mum and dad retirees and 'tradies'...

and then squandered all these savings, on medical services for aged imports that had contributed nothing to the tax base

as I said, mindblowing in the ridiculous

not least because it undermined all that labor were selling at the time about being competent economic managers, and, it just simply made no sense...

mind blowingly dumb too it would seem

politically at a minimum

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Vic Local Friday, 26 Nov 2021 at 7:48pm

RonniSalt has a touch of the Hunter S Thompson about her.

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Constance B Gibson Friday, 26 Nov 2021 at 7:55pm

Some hilariously brutal stuff there, VL.

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Supafreak Wednesday, 1 Dec 2021 at 8:21am

Sit down boofhead

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sypkan Wednesday, 1 Dec 2021 at 11:51am

that's about the most non contrived, fair enough, effective thing labor has said in parliment for a long long time...

but Im thinking you can't have it both ways

they may have just unleashed a beast

bring it on I say

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Supafreak Wednesday, 1 Dec 2021 at 7:19pm

@indo , mate have you thought about running in the next election ? There’s a few spots open .

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Constance B Gibson Wednesday, 1 Dec 2021 at 7:23pm

A valedictory for Christian Porter from the CFMEU WA:

"FUCK YOU CHRISTAN PORTER!

This 'born to rule' arsewipe made his political career out of punching down on working people and ripping the guts out of the entitlements and rights of workers around the country.

He is a classic ‘silver spooner’. He was sent to Hale and then UWA and then the London School of Economics.

He caused direct harm to ordinary Australians with policies that were openly designed to let employers pay workers less and less money for doing the same job.

As Minister for Industrial Relation and then as Attorney General, he was an unashamed political dog on the chain of the corporate elite.

He still faces very credible accusations of rape and had his corporate mates bail him out to the tune of $1 million dollars for the court costs racked up trying to make sure evidence tabled in court didn’t get aired in public.

But he still couldn’t walk away without having one final sook about how hard his life is and how unfair it is that he has to quit.

Jog on, tosser."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/dec/01/christian-porter-...

Also, l8er G.HUNT

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mattlock Wednesday, 1 Dec 2021 at 9:00pm

On the money Constance.
Let's hope Boofhead, whom I call "the gollum"[he doesn't deserve capitals], goes with him and his mates next year,

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blackers Wednesday, 1 Dec 2021 at 9:56pm
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On the money Constance.
Let's hope Boofhead, whom I call "the gollum"[he doesn't deserve capitals], goes with him and his mates next year,

Sadly I think Mr Potato Head will hang around, got his eyes on Scotty’s job and thinks he is in with a chance. Was apparently seen smiling around Parliament House last week.

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andy-mac Thursday, 2 Dec 2021 at 6:57am
Constance B Gibson wrote:

A valedictory for Christian Porter from the CFMEU WA:

"FUCK YOU CHRISTAN PORTER!

This 'born to rule' arsewipe made his political career out of punching down on working people and ripping the guts out of the entitlements and rights of workers around the country.

He is a classic ‘silver spooner’. He was sent to Hale and then UWA and then the London School of Economics.

He caused direct harm to ordinary Australians with policies that were openly designed to let employers pay workers less and less money for doing the same job.

As Minister for Industrial Relation and then as Attorney General, he was an unashamed political dog on the chain of the corporate elite.

He still faces very credible accusations of rape and had his corporate mates bail him out to the tune of $1 million dollars for the court costs racked up trying to make sure evidence tabled in court didn’t get aired in public.

But he still couldn’t walk away without having one final sook about how hard his life is and how unfair it is that he has to quit.

Jog on, tosser."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/dec/01/christian-porter-...

Also, l8er G.HUNT

ICAC with retrospective powers to nail some of these corrupt spivs.
Allegedly in Porter's case, corruption is being nice ... He should be investigated for criminal behaviour.... He 'allegedly' seems to have gotten away with rape. That should have gone beyond political allegences and have been investigated, not blocked by the bull shitter from Bronte.....
Nothing to hide nothing to fear.... Reckon he has closet full of skeletons he doesn't want being exposed to the sunlight....

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GuySmiley Thursday, 2 Dec 2021 at 9:52am
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mattlock wrote:

On the money Constance.
Let's hope Boofhead, whom I call "the gollum"[he doesn't deserve capitals], goes with him and his mates next year,

Sadly I think Mr Potato Head will hang around, got his eyes on Scotty’s job and thinks he is in with a chance. Was apparently seen smiling around Parliament House last week.

.... has to survive the election, southern Qlders mightn’t like his 2 yr negative Covid narrative belittling the premier

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Supafreak Thursday, 2 Dec 2021 at 2:41pm

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suchas Thursday, 2 Dec 2021 at 2:47pm

Tudge gets the nudge- will there be anyone left come election time? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-02/alan-tudge-stands-aside-amid-abus...

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flollo Thursday, 2 Dec 2021 at 6:18pm

Here's a good summary:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-02/christian-porter-greg-hunt-quit-b...

I don't see it as a sinking ship, more of a strategic move to populate the ranks with some fresh faces going into the election. It's a smart move if done correctly, new faces might come without excessive baggage from the past that opposition can easily pick on.

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Supafreak Thursday, 2 Dec 2021 at 7:35pm

WA Nationals MP and former Bunbury councillor James Hayward charged with child sex offences. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-02/wa-nationals-mp-james-hayward-cha...

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Blowin Thursday, 2 Dec 2021 at 8:11pm

This is why ALP and LNP need to be excluded from the Australian political process.

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bonza Thursday, 2 Dec 2021 at 11:41pm

At a time when we really could do with some showing of quality leadership to demonstrate transparency and some iota of integrity.. our leaders do this. So depressing.

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sypkan Friday, 3 Dec 2021 at 4:19pm

"At a time when we really could do with some showing of quality leadership to demonstrate transparency and some iota of integrity.. our leaders do this. So depressing."

yep, so much so...

whichever side stood up to this rubbish would be a guaranteed winner at next elecion...

the fact neither side is willing to do it...

when the monetry value is irrelevant really...

just shows it's about much more than brown bags of cash...

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sypkan Friday, 3 Dec 2021 at 4:34pm

ol' uncle elmer albo just appeared quite genuine and confident on tv...

and he wasn't just calling peter dutton a boofhead...

releasing their climate change policy, they actually appeared confident and to believe in what they were saying, which is a nice change...

Im suss on the 100 000s of 'positive jobs'...

Im suss on how many times they mentioned 'modelling'...

and Im disapointed they didn't mention a single tree... because all bullshit and marketing aside... they're kinda important... and scottys got that one over him...

but labor appear back in the race, after the recent backflips, ad. speak and convolusions from scotty and co.

cue the greens to fuck everything up with a hissy fit about 43%...

a fairly abitrary number... of many arbitrary numbers... that Im actually quite impressed how labor arrived at it...

time to tear the modelling apart

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velocityjohnno Friday, 3 Dec 2021 at 9:33pm

I guess we're not talking Naomi Campbell style modelling jobs

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blindboy Saturday, 4 Dec 2021 at 8:47am

So what had been really happening while the freedumb marchers have been joining up with the neo-Nazis to demand the right to make bad decisions about their personal health and ignore sensible public health measures?
Well let's have a look. Parliamentary sitting days reduced to 10 days until next August. Accountability? Zero. More oppressive security legislation. Plenty of that. Secret trials? One down (witness J), one to go (witness K).
But hey, why worry about governance, democracy or actual human rights when we can be seduced by carefully planted bullshit into faux outrage about vaccination?
Ever get the feeling you've been fooled? Ha ha ha

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Cockee Saturday, 4 Dec 2021 at 9:00am

Bit rich of the CFMEU to claim the moral high ground in domestic violence issues. John Setka anyone? Dan promised to have him removed 2 years ago, now he's the poster boy in Vic for covid vaccines.

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Vic Local Saturday, 4 Dec 2021 at 9:11am
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Bit rich of the CFMEU to claim the moral high ground in domestic violence issues. John Setka anyone? Dan promised to have him removed 2 years ago, now he's the poster boy in Vic for covid vaccines.

Setka was kicked out of the ALP. Andrews had no ability to remove him from the CFMEU because the members elect the leadership. He's not exactly the poster boy for vaccines.
Wrong Wrong Wrong. But Setka is an arsehole, that's for sure.

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sypkan Saturday, 4 Dec 2021 at 10:33am

I was gonna say if they can make it to the election without saying white supremacists it's in the bag...

but there it is

oh gaaawwwddd

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velocityjohnno Saturday, 4 Dec 2021 at 1:19pm

Did they? That's sad, will probably make a lot of reluctant klansmen put back on the robe and vote or preference in favour of the other mob...

Odds currently ALP 1.70 LNP 2.10 on Sportsbet

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Blowin Saturday, 4 Dec 2021 at 5:03pm
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So what had been really happening while the freedumb marchers have been joining up with the neo-Nazis to demand the right to make bad decisions about their personal health and ignore sensible public health measures?
Well let's have a look. Parliamentary sitting days reduced to 10 days until next August. Accountability? Zero. More oppressive security legislation. Plenty of that. Secret trials? One down (witness J), one to go (witness K).
But hey, why worry about governance, democracy or actual human rights when we can be seduced by carefully planted bullshit into faux outrage about vaccination?
Ever get the feeling you've been fooled? Ha ha ha

Genuine question: How many neo Nazis do you think there are in Australia? Try to put a number to how many literal neo Nazis you personally believe exist in Australia . Take a guess. Your definition of neo Nazi would be appreciated also.

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Blowin Saturday, 4 Dec 2021 at 5:08pm

A more accurate definition of populism:

Grzymala-Busse: Populism is an ideology that consists of two main claims: first, that the political and economic elites act in their own corrupt self-interest, and neither care about or respond to popular concerns. The second claim is that as a result, the “people” need to be represented by the populist party or movement, so that their interests can finally be served.“

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Blowin Saturday, 4 Dec 2021 at 5:21pm
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blindboy Saturday, 4 Dec 2021 at 6:14pm

How many neo-Nazis? Enough to scatter "Qui" banners around at the Melbourne demos in the hope that people would pick them up not knowing what they represent. Enough to organise militia training events.
Populism is the easiest political movement to subvert to the neolib agenda. Trump being a recent case study. Remind me, what did he achieve for poorer Americans?

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Vic Local Saturday, 4 Dec 2021 at 7:03pm

What we are essentially seeing in Melbourne is a Trump style mob. A pack of thick-as-pig-shit angry people who are addicted to the circus. For Trump it was rallies, for the anti-everything idiots, it's protests.
They define themselves by who they hate. they don't have any solutions to problems, and they are being utterly played by people like Clive Palmer.
These people aren't going to get what they want, so where exactly does it all end? In the USA, the Jan 6 insurrection was a national embarrassment, and the GOP has been entirely taken over by extremists. Their end hasn't happened yet.
I can't see something like that happening in Australia because of the preferential voting system. Scumo doesn't have to dance with the mob that much. They just need to hate him less than Dan Andrews / ABC / Labor etc. There's a reason why the mob caused a scene outside the ABC and not News Corp.
They are useful idiots for Scumo and Palmer.

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AndyM Saturday, 4 Dec 2021 at 7:44pm

I’m not against populism by any means but Blindy’s right, it’s real easy to get bushwhacked going down that path.

Shyster’s paradise.

But on the other hand, you could probably call Andrew Wilkie a populist.

Man’s a national treasure.

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Vic Local Saturday, 4 Dec 2021 at 9:26pm

Populism. Offering simple (non) solutions to complex problems to attract fools to a cause.
No wonder blowin wants a populist party in Australia. That shit is right up his ally.

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So the string pullers have changed their tune, and the rabble mob are focussing on 2 topics that have no end. Hatred of the ABC and "repealing the bill".
Achieving things isn't the point to the mob. Their reason for existence is to create an ongoing sense of chaos and a hatred of Dan Andrews, Labor, the ABC, the Greens etc.
And the main beneficiaries of course will be the LNP and the fat bastard miner.
How stupid would you have to be to not see that you are being played by Palmer and a collection of grifters and chancers? I mean, you'd have to have absolute shit for brains. Oh and goodnight blowin, shortenism, et al.

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sypkan Saturday, 4 Dec 2021 at 11:52pm

"...What we are essentially seeing in Melbourne is a Trump style mob. A pack of thick-as-pig-shit angry people who are addicted to the circus. For Trump it was rallies, for the anti-everything idiots, it's protests.
They define themselves by who they hate. they don't have any solutions to problems, and they are being utterly played..."

sounds like antffa...

like, literally, exactly sounds like antifa...

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 6:52am
sypkan wrote:

"...What we are essentially seeing in Melbourne is a Trump style mob. A pack of thick-as-pig-shit angry people who are addicted to the circus. For Trump it was rallies, for the anti-everything idiots, it's protests.
They define themselves by who they hate. they don't have any solutions to problems, and they are being utterly played..."

sounds like antffa...

like, literally, exactly sounds like antifa...

I was thinking the same when i read the description, but off course VL is full of shit as per normal, there is a huge difference between these protest in Australia and riots in USA with Antifa chasing imaginary fascist.

These protest are true protest and have been very peaceful the crowd extremely diverse in age and demographic and are a result of one of the biggest if not the biggest event we have seen in Australia in our life's, Covid and months of lockdowns where people were restricted from travel, work, seeing family and friends, doing activities they love people literally having basic freedoms taken away for months on end and freedoms still restricted from those who choose not to be vaccinated.

I mean seriously if you going to whinge about something it's a fair thing to whinge about lots of people even lost their jobs and business.

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Blowin Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 6:54am
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What we are essentially seeing in Melbourne is a Trump style mob. A pack of thick-as-pig-shit angry people who are addicted to the circus. For Trump it was rallies, for the anti-everything idiots, it's protests.
They define themselves by who they hate. they don't have any solutions to problems, and they are being utterly played by people like Clive Palmer.
These people aren't going to get what they want, so where exactly does it all end? In the USA, the Jan 6 insurrection was a national embarrassment, and the GOP has been entirely taken over by extremists. Their end hasn't happened yet.
I can't see something like that happening in Australia because of the preferential voting system. Scumo doesn't have to dance with the mob that much. They just need to hate him less than Dan Andrews / ABC / Labor etc. There's a reason why the mob caused a scene outside the ABC and not News Corp.
They are useful idiots for Scumo and Palmer.

As inaccurate an assessment as you’re ever likely to come across.

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gsco Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 7:20am

What...wait...am I reading things correctly here..?

LNP: create a tiered US style, private, user-pays vocational and tertiary system tailored to giving a quality education to only the wealthy elite who can afford it, thus reinforcing structural inequality in society and creating an underbelly of uninformed and uneducated masses like the US, and then import immigrants to fill the resulting skills shortages in Australian society, completely shafting everyday Australian people...

ALP: actually restore education funding and increase free TAFE and university places for all Australian people, particularly targeted towards the sectors of our economy experiencing skills shortages, thus giving the opportunity to Australian people to fill those shortages and helping them get the job and career they want...: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-04/labor-gets-election-ready-with-a-...

I'd nearly go so far as to say that there is something very wrong with Australian society if the ALP doesn't get a go this time.

On thing I'd personally like to also hear from the ALP is that they also actually want Australia to be friends with Europe and China. We don't have to get in bed with them but our prime minister needs to be able to say call up the French president and say something like g'day mate I'm hitting the French beaches this summer, you want to catch up for some drinks sometime...?

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AndyM Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 7:23am

“ I'd nearly go so far as to say that there is something very wrong with Australian society if the ALP doesn't get a go this time.”

I never vote for either of the two majors but in a two horse race I think you’re right.
Wouldn’t be hard to say that Australia has lost its soul and its moral compass.
How good is neoliberalism?!

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Blowin Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 7:45am

At this stage I’d be amazed if the ALP doesn’t win. Scummocchio seems to be widely recognised as a duplicitous lying fuck with zero redeeming features.

Any ALP motions towards reversing the entrenched neoliberalism will go a long way and the TAFE / Uni announcement is a start.

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indo-dreaming Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 8:15am
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“ I'd nearly go so far as to say that there is something very wrong with Australian society if the ALP doesn't get a go this time.”

Id actually say there is something very wrong with Australian society if LNP don't hold onto power as you really couldn't have asked for a better run during Covid.

1. One of the lowest Covid death rates in the world. (despite Vic major fuck up)
2. Economically we faired among the best in the world.
3. Now looking at one of the highest Covid vaccination rates in the world

If after all that they don't keep government then there isn't too much more they could do to hold power.

But i do think there is a good chance of change of government for two reason's only

1. it's going to be close to nine years of a LNP government and the longer things go the better the grass on the other side looks, thats just human nature and the media doesnt help things.

2. They are basically becoming liberal lite anyway.

If Labor get in though im betting it will be for one term only max two terms.

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Vic Local Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 8:26am
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At this stage I’d be amazed if the ALP doesn’t win. Scummocchio seems to be widely recognised as a duplicitous lying fuck with zero redeeming features.

Any ALP motions towards reversing the entrenched neoliberalism will go a long way and the TAFE / Uni announcement is a start.

OMG. The planets have aligned and I actually agree with blowin. If that can happen, surely Middle East peace is not completely unrealistic.

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Vic Local Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 8:39am

ID.
The Morrison govt is an absolute joke. Their economic protection package was farcical. What sort of govt hands over billions of dollars to companies who have made record profits during covid without a clawback mechanism? Idiotic in the extreme, and a decision the taxpayers will be paying for for a generation.
They are as corrupt as fuck, and if re-elected, they will only get worse. There's no federal ICAC, because half the ministers would end up in jail. And that's not hyperbole. Scumo's government just handed $80,000 to one of Scumo's mates for a bullshit report on privately funded quarantine, because they have no intention of doing their job (quarantine) themselves. 2 fucking years to do something and they've built zero facilities.
Scumo's mob have been handing out $80,000 grants left, right, and centre to their mates? Why $80000? Well after that amount, contracts need to go to official tenders. What a fucking joke. They've normalised corruption and rorts. That will be a generation legacy.
I could go on all day about this shitty govt that covers up rapes, treats women like shit, attacks freedom of speech, and has no legislative agenda, but will just leave saying this: These fuckers are in it for themselves. They didn't expect to win in '19 and it shows big time. Most of them were planning profitable post career opportunities, and it shows. Does anyone think they would suddenly get competent and less corrupt if they got re-elected?

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VL beat me to it slapping @info down but in recognition of this unique and special moment in time in which VL and Blowin are on the same page sit back on this lazy Sunday morning and enjoy ....
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indo-dreaming Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 9:33am

@VL

We already know how useless Labor has been in Victoria during Covid with the highest infection and death rate in Australia and even clocking up the worlds longest lockdown (no easy feat), let's not even talk about the jobs and business destroyed.

Now imagine that on a national scale.

And you want to talk about reckless spending, as we know Australia is approaching one of the highest vaccination rates in the world.

But remember Albo wanting to pay people $300 each to get the Covid vaccine?

Imagine how pointless that money would have been

There is about 20 millions people in Australia over 18

Now 20 million X $300 = $6,000,000,000 (six billion)

We dont know how many would have got vaccinated but 4 to 5 billion wasted would have been realistic .

And that figure could have been bigger if they paid people under 18.

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adam12 Sunday, 5 Dec 2021 at 9:32am

On the day of the 2019 election Sportsbet had Labor $1.15 and the LNP at $7.
I wouldn't predict anything.
I believe they may have knobbled the AEC like they have everything else.
Indo that post was hilarious."Couldn't have asked for a better run", could've got the fricken vaxxes a year earlier for a start!