COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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Ape Anonymous Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 12:14pm

(dumb) Ape have questions:
What happens if overuse of vaccines during this pandemic results in an acceleration of infectious and virulent strains that aren't recognised by the specified induced immune response, and consequently, viral resistance? Will we require a different treatment altogether?
https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/scientific-blog/the-last-post

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sypkan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 12:27pm

you gotta wonder how they are even finding cases....

mandatory tests for travel, work, etc.?

which comes back to gscs's post a few days ago...

have we now developed so many systems and such hypervigilance we're essentially obsessing over a new but basically not dangerous coronavirus?

...a 'novel' common cold?

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Craig Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 12:25pm

Sykpan no, here's the new variant on the original virus. Not just some random corona virus..

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sypkan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 12:35pm

I know that craig, but...

essentially...

time to demote 'the virus'?

to just another background virus...

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AndyM Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 12:43pm
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I came in the other way Andy.
Up North Creek, under Missingham Bridge and across the skate park, to the back of the amphitheatre.

Do you think my assessment was fair enough?

I didn’t get to listen to any of the speakers, I was just passing through quickly while I was working.
With that in mind, here are some thoughts.

First of all, underlying all of this, is a profound distrust of authority.
As I’ve said before this is understandable and a long time in the making and will have legs – it will be impossible to put the genie back in the bottle. In certain ways, a steadily growing number of people see government and other authorities as illegitimate and see their actions as reaching too far into the lives of people, as evidenced by “I don’t co-parent with the government” placards.

The idea that “laws don’t apply to those that understand the real truth” appears to be a very American style of politics.
I’m kind of surprised but then again I’m not by the rally organiser’s apparent involvement in QAnon and the rest of it.

It seems this whole style of hyper-libertarian individual politics has migrated from the States and at the same time will be impossible for mainstream media to counter due to obvious online subcultures.

Also I see this “movement” as self-strengthening, as each new “event” whether Covid or otherwise, will reinforce their narrative.

So now, we have a movement that provides perfect fertile ground for grifters, bullshit artists and the confused.
Fertile ground for the Wild West which is the wellness industry, a place of post-truth and straight out lies.
Again, that quote from Mason Taylor reeks of entitlement and narcissism which in my opinion are hallmarks of certain parts of the postmodern world in which you supposedly get to choose your own reality, a concept intertwined with the idea of wellness.
And his attacking of "they", the elites and those in power, is the definition of populism.

FR you say “To be honest that level of polarisation concerns me.”
As it should all of us.

In an ostensibly liberal democratic society, how are we supposed to reach any kind of consensus for decision making when we don't even have a basis to begin discussions.
Fundamental definitions can be made up or ignored, as can any other sort of information, whether it’s got the weight of peer reviewed science behind it or not.

All to suit your ideology, belief system or “reality’.
Interesting times ahead, no doubt.

Politics.
We’ve already seen signs that Scomo is wary of condemning this bullshit due to votes of course. This failure of leadership may not come back to bite him in the short term, but a continuation of it will damage the country in a profound way.
And obviously it will feed ideologues, extremists and populists of all stripes.
At the same time, due to preferential voting in the lower house, we will stay with the two major parties, while large swathes of society become more illiberal and intolerant, even as these same people claim to be socially progressive.
Australian society will continue to atomise, and this is without even mentioning economics i.e. wage stagnation and unaffordable housing.

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Craig Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 12:37pm

We're not at that stage yet but it'd be good if we got there soon..

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sypkan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 12:43pm

agreed... as the chick on abc this morning basically said...

it would be prudent to see how this variant pans out for a few weeks with restrictions in place...

but then, if it's not a danger... it's time to shut that viclocal wanker and his fear mongering mates down...

that's not exactly what she said... but basically...

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freeride76 Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 1:00pm

"Also I see this “movement” as self-strengthening, as each new “event” whether Covid or otherwise, will reinforce their narrative."

Yep, and the fact that all opposition to the world view are now brainwashed sheeple.

The 60 year old Nana who told me to stop watching the news and being a brainwashed idiot etc etc.

She has no idea I've been exposed to this wellness thinking for decades.
No idea I've got close mates out the back of Nimbin and Mullum who would look at Shorto as a mainstream stooge.

She had dismissed me in an instant and thus there was no need to question her views.

That happens on both sides.

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Vic Local Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 1:13pm

Blue Diamond.
What a complete clown you are.
Your links are a complete joke mate.
I clicked on the re-info Covid link and it's all in French, but they do list three partners on their site. All three are anti-lockdown anti-vax organisations that are so farcical it's hilarious. And all three have prominent "Donate to us" buttons on their web pages.
What a humiliation Blue Diamond. You'll believe pretty much anything mate.
BTW if a Nigerian Prince offers to give you $10,000,000US if you send him your bank details, that's a scam too.

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gsco Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 1:29pm
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Sykpan no, here's the new variant on the original virus. Not just some random corona virus..

Craig are you sure about that?

If you plot all the “random” variants of coronaviruses and covid19 and its ‘variants’ on a flower chart will they not all appear to just be variants of each other, all with significant overlap/intersection in characteristics, and all with various spike mutations of each other, etc?? Isn’t that why they’re all called coronaviruses?

Btw AndyM I like your comment.

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andy-mac Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 1:14pm

But where does this division eventually take us as a society?
Starts as arguments in forums such as this, ends in violence on the street???
I hope not....
No winners there.... 乁( •_• )ㄏ

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freeride76 Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 1:22pm

Hopefully compulsory voting keeps that centre majority and the extremes won't flourish like the US.

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AndyM Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 1:45pm

Compulsory voting is a big plus.
And I’ve also been watching this unfold over the last 30 years - it’s been absolutely intriguing.

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sypkan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 2:05pm
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Hopefully compulsory voting keeps that centre majority and the extremes won't flourish like the US.

I'd say the centre is most certainly holding DESPITE the extremes flourishing...

both here and even the US

despite the alarmists and totally biased no platforming types on here... most people have pretty moderate views and are quite sensible on just about every issue

I'd say a convincing majority most people still veer left on environmental issues and social issues, the doomsayers are all just about having the extremes of their agenda undermined, and the gratutious relishing right are just enjoying a little correction...

pratically no one is buying into or accepting the extremes of these arguments. how the fake left manages the control of information - which it seems to be almost exclusively gaining power over - will determine how things pan out into the future and if the perception that the authorurtorian ('communist') tendencies of the left are out of control or not

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sypkan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 2:36pm

but I must say, counting on the fake left to temper their tendencies re. discourse control and what is deemed 'appropriate' doesn't give me much hope...

that's before corona came along...

and now, after 2 years of corona misinformation from all angles...

with even the moderate left seeming to accept the 'neccesity' of a full nazi propaganda man regime of over controlling so called 'dangerous' information... we are now in crazy time unchartered waters...

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Vic Local Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 3:20pm

"with even the moderate left seeming to accept the 'neccesity' of a full nazi propaganda man regime of over controlling so called 'dangerous' information... we are now in crazy time unchartered waters..."
Oh please sypkan. Nobody is "controlling you" or preventing you from publishing all sorts of covid misinformation. You've been doing it all pandemic. Nobody is stopping the freedumb marches in Melbourne and other cities, where all sorts of village idiots are saying all sorts of ridiculous things.
What you object to is people calling out your bullshit.

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sypkan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 3:28pm

absolute bullhit vicvocal

again...

it's only absolute zealots like you that would even attempt to argue the whole thing hasn't been stage managed

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Roadkill Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 3:33pm
sypkan wrote:

absolute bullhit vicvocal

again...

it's only absolute zealots like you that would even attempt to argue the whole thing hasn't been stage managed

Take the tinfoil off ya head Spykan. You sound more unhinged than usual.

The academy award goes to, The Covid Opera.

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sypkan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 3:48pm

yeh ok...

legitimate scientists like brett weinstein haven't had their videos taken down off youtube...

people haven't been referring to ivermectin as 'I' to avoid censorship...

the lab leak theory stories were not removed from facebook for over 12 months - even though mark zuckerberg said so...

and there's no major agreement amongst the big media players including nyt, wa-po, bbc, etc. and government and big pharma despite it being public knowledge...

ok...

champs

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fitzroy-21 Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 3:51pm
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The academy award goes to, The Covid Opera.

To which you play a major part in.

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shortenism Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 4:08pm

Slamming borders shut due to Omricon? I thought we hit the vax milestone??

Scamwatch

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sypkan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 4:16pm
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Roadkill wrote:

The academy award goes to, The Covid Opera.

To which you play a major part in.

the fat lady?

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sypkan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 4:16pm

one of them...

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Vic Local Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 4:19pm

And the tinfoil hat mob are off in the batshit crazy stakes, sypkan got away quickly and shortenism is with him stride to stride. Fitzroy 21 has settled into a nice rhythm one back...

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fitzroy-21 Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 4:21pm

I was thinking the best boy or grip.

Can't be fluffer, as VicMoron has excelled in that role.

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bluediamond Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 4:54pm

Vic local, you asked for a link other than Rebel News, i provided you with one. You asked for proof they were real doctors. I provided evidence.
The hatred and anger you continue to bristle with on here tells me you're a very sad individual. I can't help that, but maybe staying off your keyboard for a period of time can.
Done with you, it's futile trying to have an open honest discussion with you.

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Vic Local Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 5:03pm

My responses to bluediamond are in CAPS
Vic local, you asked for a link other than Rebel News, i provided you with one. IT WAS IN FRENCH. You asked for proof they were real doctors. NO I DIDN'T. I WANTED TO ASSESS IF THEY WERE CREDIBLE. I provided evidence. NO YOU DIDN'T. ALL YOU PROVIDED WAS A LINK (IN FRENCH) TO A SITE THAT HAD PARTNERED WITH MULTIPLE ANTI-VAXXER GROUPS WHO WERE AFTER DONATIONS. YOUR LINKS WERE GARBAGE. THEY WERE EMBARRASSING.
The hatred and anger you continue to bristle with on here tells me you're a very sad individual. LAUGHING AT YOU AS I TYPE. I can't help that, but maybe staying off your keyboard for a period of time can.
Done with you, it's futile trying to have an open honest discussion with you. I'M NOT DONE WITH YOU CHAMP. YOU POST ANTI-VAXXER DRIVEL, IT GETS EXPOSED. THAT'S HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS.

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bluediamond Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 5:04pm

The fact these are real doctors and medical professionals standing together in a room making a statement SHOULD at the very least be acknowledged and discussed in a polite manner.
I've proven it's validity. There's no tricks. Doesn't matter which websites are posting it, the fact is it happened, there's video footage of it, there's news articles about it in French. In fact there's an article about that very doctor being immediately discredited by 5 Quebec doctors saying that his information is false and misleading and he doesn't represent all the other doctors. No bloody surprises there.
I mean why wouldn't you wanna stick your neck on the line as a doc, get ridiculed, ostracized, probably has his family living in fear now, he's probably looking over his shoulder. All for what? Just to be on the internet. Think deeper about it. If these doctors are going against their gag orders, surely, they must think what they have to say is too important.

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bluediamond Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 5:07pm

VL just proving my point over and over. Laughable that you're so tough on your keyboard.
Really, take a break champ.
btw, i did try to walk you through how to use the translate function on your computer, but in your rage you must have overlooked it.
How dare the French speak French!! And VL not be able to bloody read it!!! Sacre Bleu!!!

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Vic Local Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 5:30pm

Whatever Champ. you just keep coming up with one laughable source after another. Who's next, Craig Kelly and Clive Palmer?
Only a complete idiot can't see that countries like Australia, Canada, and NZ (with high vaccine rates) are in much better shape than many parts of Europe, Africa, and America with woefully low vaccination rates. Face facts champ, being an anti-vaxxer puts themselves and others in danger. I hope they get a medicare surcharge and/or their private medical insurance goes through the roof. Why should sensible people subsidise the idiots? Let the free market reign I say.
Just watch what happens in Europe this fourth wave. Covid is going to rip through the un-vaccinated. That's would have been Australia's future if clowns like you got their way.

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bluediamond Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 5:34pm

bum dribble......@ vic(toughguy)local

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overthefalls Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 5:37pm

I asked my father and my brother-in-law, who are both doctors, about videos like the one BD posted. They just shrugged and said that of course there is a tiny minority of doctors who have unconventional views. Simple as that.

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Roadkill Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 5:49pm
sypkan wrote:

absolute bullhit vicvocal

again...

it's only absolute zealots like you that would even attempt to argue the whole thing hasn't been stage managed

OK Sypkan. A serious question for you.
Who are the people or orgs that are stage managing the whole covid thing?
Are there people, or a group in govt that have planned this? Is the PM involved and does he know what is happening?
Do the state premiers know? Are they involved? Or is a shady org that operates outside of govt?
Do all countries have similar orgs and do they all coordinate what is happening..ultimately who is in charge?

I am genuinely interested for you to answer this..as you have said often it's about control..so who is doing the controlling?

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gragagan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 6:43pm

I heard one where it was the Illuminati that were controlling everything, and that they had replaced politicians with AI (like that vid that someone posted about Dan Andrews last week). I actually know someone who believes this...

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gsco Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 6:59pm
Roadkill wrote:
sypkan wrote:

absolute bullhit vicvocal

again...

it's only absolute zealots like you that would even attempt to argue the whole thing hasn't been stage managed

OK Sypkan. A serious question for you.
Who are the people or orgs that are stage managing the whole covid thing?
Are there people, or a group in govt that have planned this? Is the PM involved and does he know what is happening?
Do the state premiers know? Are they involved? Or is a shady org that operates outside of govt?
Do all countries have similar orgs and do they all coordinate what is happening..ultimately who is in charge?

I am genuinely interested for you to answer this..as you have said often it's about control..so who is doing the controlling?

Roadkill, would you be open to considering the possibility that:

1. A novel coronavirus appeared somewhere, somehow, late 2019.

2. The media, in their usual course of business of trying to make a profit, immediately jumped and swooped on the scenario, completely dramatised it, sensationalised it, blew it out of all proportions, and relentlessly spammed it across the board, etc, simply in order to generate a captivating news story.

3. All the big tech social media AI algorithms then also completely went to town on it and spread it like wildfire.

4. Trump and the US propaganda machine opportunistically swooped on the issue to continue with their China bashing, appeal to a certain target voter market, and use as another weapon against China in their war they're currently engaging against China on all fronts except direct military conflict.

5. A whole bunch of radical, fringe, extreme leaning political groups also swooped on the scenario in order to use it to their own self interest, which combined with the media and big tech AI algorithms, led to absolute mass confusion.

6. The big pharma companies, lead by Bill Gates/Pfizer, saw an opportunity of a lifetime and thus also completely went to town on the issue with their deep pockets and donations to and influence over the media and big tech, and relentlessly spammed the fear mongering and set about doing the best they could to create a virus threat environment that can only be solved by mass vaccinations. They just influenced the media and governments in the best way they can, like all big corporates do in their usual course of trying to make a profit.

7. Academia saw a huge opportunity to jump aboard the bandwagon and lobby for government funding on the issue, and thus went to town on it as their next major grant money earner.

8. A lot of these interest groups and players, and more, all have a significant impact and influence on the data, scientific research, and statistics reported on the issue - from infection rates, hospitalisation rates, death rates, symptom severity, treatment effectiveness, vaccination effectiveness, vaccine risk, etc - so the truth has been buried and lost by the global, or more precisely the US corporate-government-media-science-tech model and neoliberal capitalist machine of pure profit-driven and opportunistic self interest. Also, a lot of so-called scientific medical experts and scientific researchers are compromised and paid by corporates to report things in line with corporate interests.

9. As a result, all facts, reality and truth has been lost, buried and smothered, and poor old governments need to try to make sense of it the mess and make decisions about how best to approach and handle the issue, and there is a very wide variety of countries taking a whole plethora of approaches. Our government has simply decided to err on the cautious side and be in a small circle of countries, which includes Taiwan, China and New Zealand, who implemented the strictest and harshest lockdowns and border closures on the planet.

So there is no global conspiracy or agenda of control or big reset etc. It's just the usual neoliberal capitalist machine at work, in overdrive.

In this case with covid we just happen to be in a scenario in which the interests of big pharma, the media and big tech align neatly, since their best way to make profit out of the scenario is to convince everyone that the virus threat is real and we need to lock down and sit on our computers all day getting addicted to the big tech algorithms and suffering from depression and buying stuff online, and also get mass vaccinated.

Governments have no power over the global media, big tech and neoliberal capitalist machine, and just have to find their own way through it all, and minimise the damage done to themselves and their prospects for reelection.

So it's all just mass opportunistic, profit and agenda driven mess and disaster of confusion, propaganda, misinformation, opportunism etc from a number of different political, media and corporate players all simply trying to achieve their own agendas at the expense of facts, reality, truth, and frankly anything other than themselves and their agenda.

All truth is lost, everything and everyone is compromised, no data or statistics or opinion we see can be trusted, including all covid data and statistics we see. We'll never really know whether the virus really was a threat, whether locking down and forcing governments to load up on massive debt in order to support the economy was needed, whether the vaccines really are effective or harmful or even needed, etc.

It's just the usual machine at work and in overdrive. Just the usual mayhem and pure self interest of the US capitalist machine.

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sypkan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 7:38pm

"I am genuinely interested for you to answer this..as you have said often it's about control..so who is doing the controlling?"

I have never said it is all about control, you have me mixed up with the conspiracy theorist in your head...

there is no point engaging with you

and what gsco said

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Supafreak Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 7:28pm

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Roadkill Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 7:50pm
sypkan wrote:

"I am genuinely interested for you to answer this..as you have said often it's about control..so who is doing the controlling?"

I have never said it is all about control, you have me mixed up with the conspiracy theorist in your head...

there is no point engaging with you

and what gsco said

You have…it’s ok. I always knew you would walk it back. All tinfoil conspiracy kooks do when asked to write down and explain their wild theories.
So predictable.

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sypkan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 7:55pm

ok...

champ

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Roadkill Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 7:56pm
sypkan wrote:

absolute bullhit vicvocal

again...

it's only absolute zealots like you that would even attempt to argue the whole thing hasn't been stage managed

“it's only absolute zealots like you that would even attempt to argue the whole thing hasn't been stage managed”

So explain what you mean here? Who is stage managing something and what is being stage managed?

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Roadkill Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 8:45pm
gsco wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
sypkan wrote:

absolute bullhit vicvocal

again...

it's only absolute zealots like you that would even attempt to argue the whole thing hasn't been stage managed

OK Sypkan. A serious question for you.
Who are the people or orgs that are stage managing the whole covid thing?
Are there people, or a group in govt that have planned this? Is the PM involved and does he know what is happening?
Do the state premiers know? Are they involved? Or is a shady org that operates outside of govt?
Do all countries have similar orgs and do they all coordinate what is happening..ultimately who is in charge?

I am genuinely interested for you to answer this..as you have said often it's about control..so who is doing the controlling?

Roadkill, would you be open to considering the possibility that:

1. A novel coronavirus appeared somewhere, somehow, late 2019.

2. The media, in their usual course of business of trying to make a profit, immediately jumped and swooped on the scenario, completely dramatised it, sensationalised it, blew it out of all proportions, and relentlessly spammed it across the board, etc, simply in order to generate a captivating news story.

3. All the big tech social media AI algorithms then also completely went to town on it and spread it like wildfire.

4. Trump and the US propaganda machine opportunistically swooped on the issue to continue with their China bashing, appeal to a certain target voter market, and use as another weapon against China in their war they're currently engaging against China on all fronts except direct military conflict.

5. A whole bunch of radical, fringe, extreme leaning political groups also swooped on the scenario in order to use it to their own self interest, which combined with the media and big tech AI algorithms, led to absolute mass confusion.

6. The big pharma companies, lead by Bill Gates/Pfizer, saw an opportunity of a lifetime and thus also completely went to town on the issue with their deep pockets and donations to and influence over the media and big tech, and relentlessly spammed the fear mongering and set about doing the best they could to create a virus threat environment that can only be solved by mass vaccinations. They just influenced the media and governments in the best way they can, like all big corporates do in their usual course of trying to make a profit.

7. Academia saw a huge opportunity to jump aboard the bandwagon and lobby for government funding on the issue, and thus went to town on it as their next major grant money earner.

8. A lot of these interest groups and players, and more, all have a significant impact and influence on the data, scientific research, and statistics reported on the issue - from infection rates, hospitalisation rates, death rates, symptom severity, treatment effectiveness, vaccination effectiveness, vaccine risk, etc - so the truth has been buried and lost by the global, or more precisely the US corporate-government-media-science-tech model and neoliberal capitalist machine of pure profit-driven and opportunistic self interest. Also, a lot of so-called scientific medical experts and scientific researchers are compromised and paid by corporates to report things in line with corporate interests.

9. As a result, all facts, reality and truth has been lost, buried and smothered, and poor old governments need to try to make sense of it the mess and make decisions about how best to approach and handle the issue, and there is a very wide variety of countries taking a whole plethora of approaches. Our government has simply decided to err on the cautious side and be in a small circle of countries, which includes Taiwan, China and New Zealand, who implemented the strictest and harshest lockdowns and border closures on the planet.

So there is no global conspiracy or agenda of control or big reset etc. It's just the usual neoliberal capitalist machine at work, in overdrive.

In this case with covid we just happen to be in a scenario in which the interests of big pharma, the media and big tech align neatly, since their best way to make profit out of the scenario is to convince everyone that the virus threat is real and we need to lock down and sit on our computers all day getting addicted to the big tech algorithms and suffering from depression and buying stuff online, and also get mass vaccinated.

Governments have no power over the global media, big tech and neoliberal capitalist machine, and just have to find their own way through it all, and minimise the damage done to themselves and their prospects for reelection.

So it's all just mass opportunistic, profit and agenda driven mess and disaster of confusion, propaganda, misinformation, opportunism etc from a number of different political, media and corporate players all simply trying to achieve their own agendas at the expense of facts, reality, truth, and frankly anything other than themselves and their agenda.

All truth is lost, everything and everyone is compromised, no data or statistics or opinion we see can be trusted, including all covid data and statistics we see. We'll never really know whether the virus really was a threat, whether locking down and forcing governments to load up on massive debt in order to support the economy was needed, whether the vaccines really are effective or harmful or even needed, etc.

It's just the usual machine at work and in overdrive. Just the usual mayhem and pure self interest of the US capitalist machine.

Some of what you write is true.

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burleigh Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 8:53pm

Imagine if this was your child.

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sypkan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 9:01pm

well i certainly didn't say it's all about control

that's just you trying to tar anyone who doesn't buy into your compromised version of events as a conspiracist

it's all you and vicvocal do... and it is so dumb, void of thought and tedious its ridiculous

not to mention totally counter productive to your little quest... but you ego maniacs love it

it's all in gsco's post if you are really interested, which is an excellent rundown

but you don't seem remotely interested

you're a self serving shallow feeder, which is fine, but it's not the place to come from calling everyone else dumb and stupid...

you and vic are two peas in a pod

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Roadkill Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 9:00pm
sypkan wrote:

well i certainly didn't say it's all about control

that's just you trying to tar anyone who doesn't buy into your compromised version of events as a conspiracist

it's all you and vicvocal do... and it is so dumb, void of thought and tedious its ridiculous

not to mention totally counter productive to your little quest... but you ego maniacs love it

it's all in gsco's post if you are really interested, which is an excellent rundown

but you don't seem remotely interested

you're a self serving shallow feeder

I will ask again…as you are avoiding answering.

it's only absolute zealots like you that would even attempt to argue the whole thing hasn't been stage managed”

So explain what you mean here? Who is stage managing something and what is being stage managed?

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burleigh Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 9:35pm

Looks like its the new vaccine injury variant. who would have thought.

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sypkan Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 9:47pm

dude seriously, I'm avoiding you and your self righteous pigheadedness, thar's all

it really is all in gsco's post

big tech, big pharma, legacy media, various governments, their privatised corrupted by private money departments, a corrupted academia, various ngo's and scientists that have been riding the public / private grants system for decades... the neoliberal order basically...

it's been on life support for some time... and been in a propaganda battle literally for it's life since bernie sanders and trump came along...

corona just exposed another level of corruption, like the WHO, the WEF, and all the dodge stuff they have been supporting for decades

various government and global good guy bodies have just shown they're no better than the IOC and FIFA... corrupted to the core...

if you really cannot see it, this conversation is not for you, hence me avoiding you and your blissful ignorance and nothing else

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burleigh Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 9:44pm
sypkan wrote:

dude seriously, I'm avoiding you and your self righteous pigheadedness, thar's all

it really is all in gsco's post

big tech, big pharma, legacy media, various governments, their privatised corrupted by private money departments, a corrupted academia, various ngo's and scientists that have been riding the public / private grants system for decades... the neoliberal order basically...

it's been on life support for some time... and been in a propaganda battle literally for it's life since bernie sanders and trump came along...

corona just exposed another level of corruption, like the WHO, the WEF, and all the dodge stuff they have been supporting for decades

all this government and global good guy bodies have shown they're no better than the IOC and FIFA... corrupted to the core...

if you really cannot see it, this conversation is not for you, hence me avoiding you, and nothing else

Well said mate.

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Vic Local Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 9:49pm

FFS burleigh give it a rest.
You've listed symptoms of the corona virus and tried to pretend they are side effects of the vaccine.
This is idiotic in the extreme.
If you ended up in a public hospital with covid, the govt should send you the medical bill. Why TF should sensible people pay for your medical treatment because you make idiotic health choices.? If you do need hospital treatment for covid, go to a private hospital and don't mooch off the taxpayer.

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burleigh Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 9:53pm
Vic Local wrote:

FFS burleigh give it a rest.
You've listed symptoms of the corona virus and tried to pretend they are side effects of the vaccine.
This is idiotic in the extreme.
If you ended up in a public hospital with covid, the govt should send you the medical bill. Why TF should sensible people pay for your medical treatment because you make idiotic health choices.? If you do need hospital treatment for covid, go to a private hospital and don't mooch off the taxpayer.

Sure, as long as its the same for obese people with heart disease, drug overdoses and drink drivers etc.

mooch off tax payers? you mean me?

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Vic Local Monday, 29 Nov 2021 at 10:04pm

Well drink drivers who crash their cars don't get an insurance payout. It's exactly the same principle. Sensible people (ie vaccinated) should not have to subsidise dickheads who are too stupid or too chicken to get a vaccination.