Vaccinate or not

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Supafreak started the topic in Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 6:20pm

I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?

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Supafreak Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 11:17pm

@sypkan , I won’t be surprised if tomorrow’s protest is even bigger , plenty of pissed of people at their breaking point . I hope it doesn’t happen but the government has fucked up enough times and it’s not just about vaccine mandates , some have lost jobs , homes and relationships.

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bluediamond Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 11:38pm

We're all gonna die....eventually. Best get as many deep and meaningful pits as you can in the meantime! Happy full moon Swellnutters!!

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Supafreak Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 11:47pm
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AndyM Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 12:01am

Dunno that Waleed showed he was out of touch, seems like he made some fair comparisons between (his) entertainment industry and the construction industry with regards to being allowed to stay open.
Sounds like he questioned the construction industry’s continued lack of compliance which led to the closing of tea rooms.
In other words, if you read between the lines he’s questioning the aggressive, blokey sense of entitlement which appears to prevail in the construction industry.
Which is possibly a fair thing to question.

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sypkan Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 12:22am

that possibly is a fair thing to question andym...

but to compare the over paid, over catered, glamourous, pretentious, precious and 'privelaged' entertainment industry, with the scuzzy sparse set up of a building site... yeh nah...

two different worlds

"...but the government has fucked up enough times and it’s not just about vaccine mandates , some have lost jobs , homes and relationships."

yep, and I'd argue its about much more than just that too

as vj pointed out, this is looking a bit like a yellow vest moment

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bluediamond Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 12:28am

That is an epic photo Supafreak. One of Trent Slatters?? David Ebbot? Looks like it. Bloody ridiculous. Sick one. Yew!

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sypkan Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 12:33am

there'a lot of accusations, blame shifting, dismissing and distancing going on...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Alexand66599467/status/1440136935238823942

frankly a lot of it is bullshit

not least from john setka

pretty 'diverse' crowd from what I can see

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bluediamond Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 12:33am

Is it a Chris White special!? Such a sick pic. That's living.

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sypkan Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 12:39am

classic scenes...

tough talking cop... and then...

bike boy

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sypkan Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 12:59am

well, this is a bit closer to the truth... literally... amongst it...

https://m.

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the media are just doing their normal distortion tactics

and billy shorten... haha... what a tool...

(sorry about the reporter haters, but beggers cannot be choosers...)

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bluediamond Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 1:17am
sypkan wrote:

well, this is a bit closer to the truth... literally... amongst it...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCIWfRmZ-Ww&feature=youtu.be

the media are just doing their normal distortion tactics

and billy shorten... haha... what a tool...

(sorry about the reporter haters, but beggers cannot be choosers...)

Fark! Full on Sypkan. FULL ON! Discontentment. thanks for sharing.

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Roadkill Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 5:10am
sypkan wrote:

well, this is a bit closer to the truth... literally... amongst it...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCIWfRmZ-Ww&feature=youtu.be

the media are just doing their normal distortion tactics

and billy shorten... haha... what a tool...

(sorry about the reporter haters, but beggers cannot be choosers...)

Not closer to the truth…just another side. Both mainstream and this bedroom media push a certain bias.

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Blowin Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 6:35am

Could there be a more perfect display of the authoritarianism creeping into Australia than this? There’s a fella standing on his own with his arms crossed in the middle of an open area. He is social distancing, he would be standing in the same area as part of his job every other day of the week without problem even under ridiculous and convoluted lockdown emergency powers.

So his only “crime” is not wearing a face mask ( despite outdoor masks having zero scientific justification particularly if social distancing) and yet here is a full Urban Soldier pointing a gun with finger on the trigger as though he’s attacking a wave of armed enemy combatants and screaming orders.

The Pig Cop doesn’t have a face mask on either. There is literally no difference in the virus threat from the bloke standing in the street and the pig cop.

This has nothing to do with public health. Nothing.

This is heavy shit. The media normalises this and portrays it as acceptable and that some bloke silently standing in the middle of the street on his own deserves to have an armoured soldier pointing a rifle at him and screaming hysterically. It’s not normal and it’s not right. This shit has no place in Australia. The authoritarianism being ushered in under the cover of this bad flu is more than alarming it’s quite shocking. This is the news story.

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overthefalls Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 7:21am

Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but the COVID19 vaccine has been mandated for all staff in NSW schools. They have until the 8th of November to get fully vaccinated. Mate of mine who is a teacher plans to quit his job in protest. Strangely enough, he teaches Science but is an anti-vaxxer; he is not just against COVID19 vaccines, but all vaccines. Wonder why teachers are not taking it to the streets like the tradies?

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Supafreak Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 7:23am
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That is an epic photo Supafreak. One of Trent Slatters?? David Ebbot? Looks like it. Bloody ridiculous. Sick one. Yew!

Yeah BD it’s a beautiful shot and he’s perfectly positioned, sorry I don’t know who took the photo but I was mesmerised by it and copied it . Thought it was fitting for what you were saying .

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Roadkill Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 7:30am
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Could there be a more perfect display of the authoritarianism creeping into Australia than this? There’s a fella standing on his own with his arms crossed in the middle of an open area. He is social distancing, he would be standing in the same area as part of his job every other day of the week without problem even under ridiculous and convoluted lockdown emergency powers.

So his only “crime” is not wearing a face mask ( despite outdoor masks having zero scientific justification particularly if social distancing) and yet here is a full Urban Soldier pointing a gun with finger on the trigger as though he’s attacking a wave of armed enemy combatants and screaming orders.

The Pig Cop doesn’t have a face mask on either. There is literally no difference in the virus threat from the bloke standing in the street and the pig cop.

This has nothing to do with public health. Nothing.

This is heavy shit. The media normalises this and portrays it as acceptable and that some bloke silently standing in the middle of the street on his own deserves to have an armoured soldier pointing a rifle at him and screaming hysterically. It’s not normal and it’s not right. This shit has no place in Australia. The authoritarianism being ushered in under the cover of this bad flu is more than alarming it’s quite shocking. This is the news story.

https://twitter.com/gooli1903/status/1440196462508318739?ref_src=twsrc%5...

The pig cop?…is just someone doing a job…and would come to your aid if needed. You are 100% a fuckwit, blowin.

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Blowin Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 7:36am

Incorrect. He is a riot officer pointing a rifle at innocent Australians. He’s either a pig cop or a “Good German”. Same same.

I appreciate the useful jobs that police do but this job isnt one of them. I do believe that if you encourage the use of long rifles on innocent Australians then you’re a fascist also.

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Roadkill Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 7:38am
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Incorrect. He is a riot officer pointing a rifle at innocent Australians. He’s either a pig cop or a “Good German”. Same same.

I appreciate the useful jobs that police do but this job isnt one of them. I do believe that if you encourage the use of long rifles on innocent Australians then you’re a fascist also.

Everyday you prove how much of a low quality individual you are. You are a piece of filth.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 7:56am
sypkan wrote:

well, this is a bit closer to the truth... literally... amongst it...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCIWfRmZ-Ww&feature=youtu.be

the media are just doing their normal distortion tactics

and billy shorten... haha... what a tool...

(sorry about the reporter haters, but beggers cannot be choosers...)

People can hate on Avi, but this is 100% real journalism, on the ground talking to the people and not just one or two, showing extensive footage, these guys arent rent an Anti vaxers crowd or right wing groups jumping on the issue, there are hardcore pissed off tradies mostly from bigger commercial building type sites working for bigger companies, where unions are important. (opposed to your everyday residential sole trader type tradie where unions arent important)

Meanwhile while i type Sunrise just aired the same issue with a completely different slant, with footage from the air, talking to some some clean cut uni student type exert who's slant is anti vaxers and right wing even quon are the problem.

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shortenism Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 8:02am

Was that tough walking cop pointing the gun at that poor bastard standing with his arms crossed VL? Or is that you Roadkill? Just asking because he resembles your attitude on here and gets about the same response. Potential career pathway for u lads.

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shortenism Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 8:10am

In all seriousness though that cop and old mate standing his ground shouldn’t be overlooked.

In the face of intense pressure, threats and coercion, stand your ground and watch it all back away.

There’s always an unsung hero in these things and this fella in that scenario could be it!! Australian of the year right there! Legend!!

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san Guine Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 8:22am

Thanks sypkan for posting the YouTube link.

I've been to plenty of ANMF(Australian Nursing and Midwifery Federation) protests especially during the acrimonious 2011 wage negotiations and saw nil violence...ever!
Maybe because 90% of our members are women?

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brutus Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 8:33am
BlowinIamamoron wrote:

Brutus- Pretty sure I know what contagious means. I’ll put it into context and you can confirm if you agree.
“I realised that Brutus was a bit slow on the uptake so thought I’d better pander to the old bugger and just keep repeating my opinions over and over again until they sunk in . His fossilised brain did eventually start to get a tiny inkling of what I was trying to say but I swear to God it took the contagious.”

Blowin, yep you keep repeating the lies and misinformation on Covid, and no matter how many times you repeat the same lies and misinformation, your opinion is based on lies and misinformation......same old , same old!!!
As far as your example of using contagious which is a verb....so when you say , " I swear to God(didn't know you were religious?) it took the contagious.? the noun you should have used is contagion ......
What vaccine did you have , and when is your booster due??

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san Guine Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 8:50am

And for those who believe protests are ineffectual. Nurses in Vic got a 12% pay rise and protected ratios thanks to our nonviolent activism.

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bluediamond Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 8:50am
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That is an epic photo Supafreak. One of Trent Slatters?? David Ebbot? Looks like it. Bloody ridiculous. Sick one. Yew!

Yeah BD it’s a beautiful shot and he’s perfectly positioned, sorry I don’t know who took the photo but I was mesmerised by it and copied it . Thought it was fitting for what you were saying .

Yeah it's alltime Supafreak. Couldn't stop staring at that pic last night. Cheers for sharing!

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Hutchy 19 Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 8:51am

The bikies and thugs employed by the union to intimidate their own members were on full display .

What a terrible policy for union management to employ !!!!

This time the members were not going to be intimidated . Wonderful to see .

Also great to see the members acknowledge and apologise for their mistake in not acting earlier to support all the other industries smashed by lockdowns and the government .

The worm has turned as the government has poked a hornets nest .

The police were not too keen to take on real men . A terrible state of affairs . These members will fight for their freedoms .

The government will back down to them . Guaranteed !

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sypkan Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:00am

"Not closer to the truth…just another side. Both mainstream and this bedroom media push a certain bias."

well yeh... but nah...

no one is putting words in their mouth in that vid

mainstream media, they absolutely need to construct a narrative

...to feed their masters...

but also because most of these guys won't talk to them... which is perhaps actually our biggest problem, that is now at such a level.. that has been allowed / pushed to such a level... its a powderkeg...

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sypkan Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:03am

"The Pig Cop doesn’t have a face mask on either. There is literally no difference in the virus threat from the bloke standing in the street and the pig cop.

This has nothing to do with public health. Nothing.

This is heavy shit. The media normalises this and portrays it as acceptable and that some bloke silently standing in the middle of the street on his own deserves to have an armoured soldier pointing a rifle at him and screaming hysterically. It’s not normal and it’s not right. This shit has no place in Australia. The authoritarianism being ushered in under the cover of this bad flu is more than alarming it’s quite shocking. This is the news story."

yep

disgusting

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Blowin Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:04am

Sorry, Brutus. I’m going to have to ignore you if you keep repeating the lie that I post misinformation about Covid. I refuted your lies with the truth yesterday and you’ve continued on as though nothing happened.
Australian Covid survival rate 2021 is 99.58%.
Australian Covid survival rate for those below 20yrs old is 100%.

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sypkan Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:08am

"Thanks sypkan for posting the YouTube link.

I've been to plenty of ANMF(Australian Nursing and Midwifery Federation) protests especially during the acrimonious 2011 wage negotiations and saw nil violence...ever!
Maybe because 90% of our members are women?"

apples and oranges mate

melons and coconuts?

yeh there's an element of that...

but it works both ways...

like why the cops were taking out 70 yo grandmothers a couple of days ago, and now they are thinking twice....

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brutus Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:41am
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Sorry, Brutus. I’m going to have to ignore you if you keep repeating the lie that I post misinformation about Covid. I refuted your lies with the truth yesterday and you’ve continued on as though nothing happened.
Australian Covid survival rate 2021 is 99.58%.
Australian Covid survival rate for those below 20yrs old is 100%.

ah Blowin , same old bleating ...your stats come from the clouds which is great for cloud surfing...
the misinformation you keep posting is how Covid is just a flu , no need to be worried it only kills old people and I keep saying and post it's trying to keep the numbers down so the Health services don't go onto meltdown....
Now you have a crack at the police , when all they are doing is their job,,,,while a group of people openly break the law and contribute to a fragmenting society , and actually held a super spreader event...so there will be an extra couple of weeks to a month lockdown now....well done tradies /anti-vaxxers and conspiracy nutters....we all pay the price for the few who think they are above the law.....
Get over it , and just obey the law and don't give the pollies excuse to keep as lockdowned till Xmas!

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Snuffy Smith Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 9:53am

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Vic Local Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 10:20am

"It’s (military style police) not normal and it’s not right. This shit has no place in Australia."
sypkan, this is the response to Australian Trump lunatics who are out smashing up the city during a pandemic. These absolute fucking idiots DO NOT HAVE A LEGITIMATE AGENDA. They are just bored stupid thugs who are a danger to the rest of society.
I don't like heavily armed police with military equipment. It is needed when violent mass idiocy has been imported into the country. It's your mob starting this shit.

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mpeachy Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 10:23am

If vaccination rates hit 70-80% and lockdowns and restrictions continue, then I think the disquiet will become more widespread.

The approach adopted by the current protesters will turn most sensible people towards complying with the government's rules rather than having the opposite effect.

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Blowin Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 10:24am

Did he really just try to bring Trump into the conversation?

Lol

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Vic Local Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 10:44am
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Did he really just try to bring Trump into the conversation?

Lol

Yes blowin I did because both violent mobs (Melbourne and DC) are filled with moronic conspiracy theorists who are getting played by alt right fuckwits.

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garyg1412 Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 10:46am

You could also look at it from the non-hysteric angle that if this scenario was being played out in the US old mate with his arms crossed would have had 5 "pig cops" pinning him to the ground after having had rubber bullets to the guts and tear gas canisters to the head. So in all fairness I think our "pig cops" are a bit more restrained and trained for the task at hand. Not a good look though I agree but as for pointing long guns at people well that says it all.
So Blowin unless you actually know one personally and really really know what normal jobs any "pig cops" do on a daily basis, then I suggest you shove your appreciation up your big hairy arse.

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Hiccups Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 10:50am
Vic Local wrote:
Blowin wrote:

Did he really just try to bring Trump into the conversation?

Lol

Yes blowin I did because both violent mobs (Melbourne and DC) are filled with moronic conspiracy theorists who are getting played by alt right fuckwits.

You could also add that seeing as there were Trump flags at the rally yesterday that it's relevant.

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Roadkill Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 10:54am
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Vic Local wrote:
Blowin wrote:

Did he really just try to bring Trump into the conversation?

Lol

Yes blowin I did because both violent mobs (Melbourne and DC) are filled with moronic conspiracy theorists who are getting played by alt right fuckwits.

You could also add that seeing as there were Trump flags at the rally yesterday that it's relevant.

Touche.

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sypkan Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 10:58am

"Did he really just try to bring Trump into the conversation?

Lol"

unbelievable

or not...

not for alfoil esme...

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sypkan Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 11:06am
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Hiccups wrote:
Vic Local wrote:
Blowin wrote:

Did he really just try to bring Trump into the conversation?

Lol

Yes blowin I did because both violent mobs (Melbourne and DC) are filled with moronic conspiracy theorists who are getting played by alt right fuckwits.

You could also add that seeing as there were Trump flags at the rally yesterday that it's relevant.

Touche.

'trump flags'

fuck, even the media couldn't stoop that low to hype that one up..

they reported a trump flag... it stood out in it's desperate starkness to slur the mob...

but our mate donny lemon esme though... he knows no bounds to his propaganda mission...

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Hiccups Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 11:05am
sypkan wrote:
Roadkill wrote:
Hiccups wrote:
Vic Local wrote:
Blowin wrote:

Did he really just try to bring Trump into the conversation?

Lol

Yes blowin I did because both violent mobs (Melbourne and DC) are filled with moronic conspiracy theorists who are getting played by alt right fuckwits.

You could also add that seeing as there were Trump flags at the rally yesterday that it's relevant.

Touche.

'trump flags'

fuck, even the media couldn't stoop that low to hype that up..

they reported a trump flag...

but our mate donny lemon esme though... he knows no bounds to his propaganda mission...

d00d, there were literally Trump flags. Plural.

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brutus Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 11:05am
Roadkill wrote:
Hiccups wrote:
Vic Local wrote:
Blowin wrote:

Did he really just try to bring Trump into the conversation?
Lol

Yes blowin I did because both violent mobs (Melbourne and DC) are filled with moronic conspiracy theorists who are getting played by alt right fuckwits.

You could also add that seeing as there were Trump flags at the rally yesterday that it's relevant.

Touche.

RK , the hilarious thing with the Trump Flags , is they were his 2020 re-election flags...I wonder if the blokes who were waving them, knew......
1) that it's 2021, and not 2020?
2) That Trump got dumped from office because he didn't win the 2020 election....?
3) That Australian Trump supporters ,ah , can't vote for him as Trump is in the USA?
4) that the USA and Australia are not the same country...
5) campaigning for Trump's 2020 re-election in 2021 , In Australia , while breaking the law , no masks , unlawful assembly , attacking police........now there's and intellectual meltdown of epic proportions......

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Hutchy 19 Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 11:14am

All you Trump Deranged Syndrome sufferers need to have a look at the video that Sypkan posted .

All the people there WERE Andrew supporters . They would hate Trump . A few Trumpies and other low life's looking for a fight infiltrated after the gathering at the union office .

The protestors became angry when the paid enforcers of the union came out throwing punches . Their intimidation didn't work and they cowered back into the building . They then came out later ARMED . WTF ! The members knew they were bikies and have obviously been willing to put up with it in the past .

Not now . The hornets nest has been disturbed and is VERY angry . I really hope it does not get out of hand !!!! I hope that saner heads will prevail . The government needs to back off .

If they don't and get the police to over react or get the military to enforce their will this will go ballistic .

It will be a terrible state of anarchy which will be a huge black stain on our wonderful city .

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sypkan Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 11:16am

well tbh, I think you are all totally missing the point re. the 'trump flags'...

like... totally!

and if trump is too unpalatable for you...

think yellow vests... and the 'uniqueness' of the movement...

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Vic Local Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 11:27am

Holy eF Hutchy.
That's some next level blame shifting going on.
These are your people rioting in the streets. Own it champ.

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shortenism Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 11:29am

This is what it boils down to in Victoria:

From Victoria's Charter of Human Rights Act: - "This Charter binds the Crown in right of Victoria and, so far as the legislative power of the Parliament permits, the Crown in all its other capacities."

Here's just one provision:
"A person must not be subjected to medical or scientific experimentation or treatment without his or her full, free and informed consent."

A giant question mark when someone is told their job and family's livelihood depends on them agreeing?

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Blowin Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 11:30am
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You could also look at it from the non-hysteric angle that if this scenario was being played out in the US old mate with his arms crossed would have had 5 "pig cops" pinning him to the ground after having had rubber bullets to the guts and tear gas canisters to the head. So in all fairness I think our "pig cops" are a bit more restrained and trained for the task at hand. Not a good look though I agree but as for pointing long guns at people well that says it all.
So Blowin unless you actually know one personally and really really know what normal jobs any "pig cops" do on a daily basis, then I suggest you shove your appreciation up your big hairy arse.

I surf with a copper most days and he’s a nice bloke. So is the ex copper at the bottlo.

All pig cops are coppers but not all coppers are pig cops.

If you’d taken a second to think about what I said before staging your next vitriolic attack on anything I post you’d probably agree.

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Sprout Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 11:32am

Geez that street video is embarrassing, grow up children.

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Vic Local Wednesday, 22 Sep 2021 at 11:36am

Oh great, shortenism has joined blowin and is now dispensing his legal opinions. Which university did you study law at again shortenism?