Vaccinate or not

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Supafreak started the topic in Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 6:20pm

I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?

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Blowin Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:04pm

There’s people who get out of bed every single day and say to themselves-“ I’m going to try and spread as much unrealistic fear as I possibly can today and if I meet someone who tries to quell my fear mongering, I’m going to double down on the horror stories I gleam from selected headlines. Do I worry that the headlines are true….No! The only thing important is if they’re scary.”

Some of those quivering old vaginas are on here spreading their fear. Sad old men whose only power left is to try and scare the kiddies and get everyone else locked in their houses with their Sky is falling bullshit.

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brutus Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:11pm
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There’s people who get out of bed every single day and say to themselves-“ I’m going to try and spread as much unrealistic fear as I possibly can today and if I meet someone who tries to quell my fear mongering, I’m going to double down on the horror stories I gleam from selected headlines. Do I worry that the headlines are true….No! The only thing important is if they’re scared
Some of those quivering old vaginas are on here spreading their fear. Sad old men whose only power left is to try and scare the kiddies and get everyone else locked in their houses with their Sky is falling bullshit.

says the guy who is 100% certain Covid is a hoax , all the fearmongering about the affects of Covid is BS , but meow I got vaccinated , LOL are you for real...???

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Blowin Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:13pm
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I’ve had my first vaccine.

So you’re a comprehension specialist now, Brutus? Sure you are bloke. You’d better get off the phone mate,….Mensa is probably trying to get a hold of you.

Because I can’t risk this corrupt government preventing me from helping people I’m responsible for with their bullshit rules. It wouldn’t have to be if quivering old vaginas like yourself would stop being little bitches and spreading the fake fear.

Honestly…..I’ve posted the official statement that the case fatality rate for Covid is literally no worse than a bad flu year. Has this made you stop for even a micro second and ponder….” Hey, maybe this Death Plague isn’t as hectic as what I’ve been told to believe it is by the lying media? Maybe….maybe the fact that 99.58% of everyone infected in Australia in the nearly finished year of 2021 has survived might be enough for me to put down the worry beads for five fucken minutes and stop yelling that the Grim Reeper is knocking on the door ?”

Respect yourself Brutus. Unfreeze your mind from the withered and fossilised mountain of fear you’ve built around the tiny pea of a virus.

If you are so sure that Covid is just a flu why get vaccinated ya pussy!

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Supafreak Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:14pm

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Vic Local Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:15pm
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VicLocal - I will go with your figure which is still VERY high . " a death rate of 1.34 percent or a survival rate of 98.66%." Admittingly there is long covid to worry about .

Can you PLEASE check Troubleshooters maths and stats . If he is right it BLOWS all your views out of the water . If you don't respond I will believe them to be accurate and your views on vaccination to be complete BS . Having the vax is then a huge waste of money and time !

No need to check TBB's figures because mine are correct. Covid deaths divided by total infections mate. That's the only correct way to calculate the death rates. If you can think of a better way, put it up so I can have a good laugh at you. Remember what happened the last time you questioned my maths? Didn't end well did it mr 10%.

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Blowin Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:26pm

Brutus…..are you a congenital liar, bloke?

I’ve never said the virus isn’t real. I’ve documented my feelings on this site ad nauseum. Back in March 2020 I was scared by media lies into being a chicken shit soft cock like you are now. From then on I started to realise how much bullshit was being peddled just to keep the fear mongering on track. I know there is a virus called Covid. I also know that it’s been used as a political weapon and distorted beyond recognition by media to sell units and individuals and institutions to gain power and advantage.

I know that for an 80 year old with diabetes Covid is a threat. Maybe not more of a threat than diabetes but still a risk you don’t want to play with. I know that for a tiny, tiny, tiny number of otherwise healthy people Covid can be bad news. But I know the reality and that is that almost everyone who gets Covid in Australia recovers….the actual figure is 99.58% of all Australians who catch it these days.

I know that the vaccine does maybe prevent serious illness and death but that the percentage of people facing serious illness and death is tiny anyway.

I treat Covid like I do malaria. I’ll go out of my way to avoid catching it but I’m not going to live in fear and hide in a locked cupboard and forfeit my life to avoid the tiny possibility that I catch it and the utterly remote possibility that I die from it.

It’s called reality bloke. You should try it.

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Blowin Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:24pm

That’s the way Vic Local…..double down on your refusal to accept the truth. Hey…..you love your fear. You obviously love it enough to lie to keep the illusion suspended. That’s fine. Just don’t spread your lies and fear to others. You are ruining people’s lives literally and figuratively.

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Hutchy 19 Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:30pm

TBB's figures ( especially on those in the UK and Israel ) that those that have been vaccinated that ARE dying , getting sick , being hospitalised at HIGHER rates than unvaccinated , They the figures I am talking about and you know it Mr Deflector .

Common use your maths skills to check HIS figures . As they stand they TOTALLY discredit ALL your views on the benefits of being vaccinated .

I do "Remember what happened the last time you questioned my maths? " You were right ! I want to know if TBB is right and you are WRONG . I will enjoy hearing that you are wrong and your views are shit !!!!!!

Great to hear that your surfing at Winki was not affected by a new walkway . The local walkway builders must have been happy .

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Vic Local Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:34pm

Geez Hutchy so you're saying I'm supposed to use Israeli and UK figures when discussing Australian survival rates?
go have a lie down champ.

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Craig Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:38pm

Hutchy, you do know that the more of the population that gets vaccinated, the more that that portion of the population will end up in hospitals etc.

Ie 90% of pop gets vaccinated, people are still going to get sick and with the majority of them being vacc'd, that's what you'll see in hospital.

Now, if that percentage of vaccinated in hospital is below 90%, that shows the vaccines are making a difference eh. Because it's below the rate of what you'e expect in hospital if it had no effect. I see it's 40% (15% double dosed + 25% single) so there's ya proof that the vaccines work.

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Roadkill Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:42pm

I think we all know who the congenital liar is…:)

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Hutchy 19 Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:51pm

VicLocal -"Geez Hutchy so you're saying I'm supposed to use Israeli and UK figures when discussing Australian survival rates?"

Of course you should !!!!! How dumb not to . They have the same virus and use the same vaccinations .

They had the virus first and reached your vaccination rates . We should be learning from the whole worlds experience .

You are not dumb enough to think that Australians are a different type of human species are you ?

Craig - TBB figures clearly show that percentage of vaccinated people are dying more than unvaccinated people .

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Craig Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 3:58pm

Mind grabbing them for me?

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Roadkill Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 4:02pm

It will be interesting in the next few weeks to see if we get covid increases amongst Vic tradies. I feel really sorry for the Vic medical workers and associated workers who will have to deal with it…and be exposed to it due to selfish assholes.

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Hutchy 19 Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 4:04pm

Craig- they are all over this thread . Look back a few days .

Common VL You are the self confessed maths guru .

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Vic Local Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 4:05pm

"You are not dumb enough to think that Australians are a different type of human species are you ?"
Of course not Hutchy, but you're clearly stupid enough not to realise Israel and the UK started their vaccination program months before us, making comparisons a bit silly.
Israel also has 64.5% of their population fully vaccinated compared to Australia on 38%. But hey let's compare the two and pretend these differences just don't count.
Go lie down Hutchy.

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Craig Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 4:06pm

Yep just checked, but again it's to be expected as 90% of the population is vaccinated.

If 90% of the admissions were dying, then the vaccine would be ineffective, but it's down to 65% (single dose), 54% for double.

Again, it seems you can't quite get your head around statistics.

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Hutchy 19 Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 4:13pm

You are right Craig . The number is still much higher than what our media are reporting which is one of the points I am trying to make . Also much higher than the people who got vaxxed would have expected and hoped for .

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Craig Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 4:16pm

Well these number of deaths are skewed towards the older population which is what Blowin's been going on about. So it's highly effective for the younger..

Here, read this..

"The risk of dying from covid doubles roughly every seven years older a patient is. The 35-year difference between a 45-year-old and a 80-year-old means the risk of death between the two patients has doubled five times—equivalently it has increased by a factor of 32. An unvaccinated 70-year-old might be 32 times more likely to die of covid than an unvaccinated 35-year-old. This dramatic variation of the risk profile with age means that even excellent vaccines don’t reduce the risk of death for older people to below the risk for some younger demographics.

Data from Public Health England suggest that being double vaccinated reduces the risk of hospital admission with the now-dominant delta variant by around 96%. Even conservatively assuming the vaccines are no more effective at preventing death than hospital admission (actually, they are likely to be more effective at preventing death) this means the risk of death for double vaccinated people has been cut to less than one-twentieth of the value for unvaccinated people with the same underlying risk profile.

However, the 20-fold decrease in risk afforded by the vaccine isn’t enough to offset the 32-fold increase in underlying risk of death of a 80-year-old compared to a 45-year-old. Given the same risk of infection, we would still expect to see a higher proportion of double-vaccinated 80-year-olds die from covid than unvaccinated 40-year-olds. There are caveats to that simple calculation. The risk of infection is not the same for all age groups. Currently, infection rates are higher in the young and lower in older age groups.

However, given the UK’s vaccination strategy (vaccinate older, more vulnerable people first) and uptake profile (higher uptake in older groups), you would expect high proportions of the people who die from covid to have been vaccinated. And that is exactly what we see in the data."

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Hutchy 19 Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 4:30pm

Craig - I know that with a higher percentage of vax v unvax that it affects the percentages . It still doesn't seem to match what I am reading here but maths was never a strong point . That's why I am in finance .

When someone asks me to work out a number for them I first ask what answer do they want . Ha ha .

The information you provided was helpful . I wonder what numbers the new variant will dish out ?

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Craig Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 4:31pm

These are the numbers from Delta. That data from August 21.

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Blowin Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 4:41pm

Craig - Those stats are presented in a disingenuous way too. The claim that mortality of Covid doubles every seven years of age is meaningless and probably untrue for the ages below 70 years old. If there is any truth it might mean that a 28 year old has a 0.002 chance of dying whilst a 35 year old has a 0.004 chance of dying. Both figures are so remotely improbable as to be meaningless.

It’s not a virus which has an even and gradual threat increase as people age, it’s a virus which poses very little risk until people reach old age whereby the risk increases rapidly with advancing years.

Same with the claim that vaccination reduces chance of hospitalisation by 96 percent. If a twenty year old has a 0.002 percent chance of hospitalisation then the 96 percent decrease affects this number to a degree as to be meaningless.

Then when the vaccine falters in its efficacy in the very vulnerable groups it’s meant to protect we are supposed to think nothing of it?

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

Vaccines have their place but mandating them and creating an apartheid situation in the pursuit of vaccination is counterproductive for society at best and a flat out evil intent at worst.

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Craig Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 4:49pm

It isn't meaningless, it's statistics and proven.. There's an exponential increase in death rate skewed to the elderly.. Check the linear scale graph.

Then regarding the log-graph (1st one)..

"This near linearity on a logarithmic scale corresponds to an exponential increase—from age 35, the annual hazard increases at an average 9.7% a year for men and 10.4% a year for women. This means that, in normal circumstances, the average annual risk of death doubles for each seven years of extra age (since a 10% a year increase (1.1) over seven years leads to a total increase of 1.17, which is roughly 2).

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Craig Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 4:51pm

And also re the effectiveness, this explains it well and is what I was saying in previous posts.

"Imagine a hypothetical population of 1000 people who would have been admitted to hospital with covid before the vaccines were available. At the time of writing, vaccine coverage among adults in the UK (at least one dose) is around 90%, so 900 of our 1000 potential hospital patients are vaccinated.

The remaining 100 unvaccinated people would still end up in hospital. If the vaccine is 96% effective against hospital admission with delta (this figure is for two doses, but let’s assume it holds for anyone vaccinated for simplicity) then 4% of our 900—or 36—vaccinated individuals will join the unvaccinated in hospital. 36 of the 136 (26%) people who end up in hospital will have been vaccinated.

Again, this doesn’t mean the vaccines don’t work. If they had no effect, then we would expect all 1000 individuals to be hospitalised — 90% of them vaccinated. Vaccination has, in fact, meant that the overall number of hospitalisations has fallen dramatically from 1000 to 136.

Of course, even with highly effective vaccines, such a high uptake rate means a significant proportion of hospitalised patients will have been vaccinated. That proportion will only get higher, the higher the uptake rate becomes."

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JQ Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 4:57pm

Boy the vaccine sure is a rich vein of grievance and victimhood for Blowin isn't it. Pathetic.

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Vic Local Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 5:12pm
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Boy the vaccine sure is a rich vein of grievance and victimhood for Blowin isn't it. Pathetic.

When you hear blowin banging on about vaccine "apartheid" it's a sure signs he's been played by the Sky News After Dark mob or some other right wing rat bags. Their political task is to take stupid blue collar people and make them hate Labor more than they hate the LNP.
BTW blowin, during apartheid people suffered the consequences because they weren't born white. Un-vaccinated people not being allowed into pubs, is a consequence of being a dickhead.
Bit of a difference blowin.

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brutus Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 5:24pm
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I’ve had my first vaccine.

So you’re a comprehension specialist now, Brutus? Sure you are bloke. You’d better get off the phone mate,….Mensa is probably trying to get a hold of you.

Because I can’t risk this corrupt government preventing me from helping people I’m responsible for with their bullshit rules. It wouldn’t have to be if quivering old vaginas like yourself would stop being little bitches and spreading the fake fear.

Honestly…..I’ve posted the official statement that the case fatality rate for Covid is literally no worse than a bad flu year. Has this made you stop for even a micro second and ponder….” Hey, maybe this Death Plague isn’t as hectic as what I’ve been told to believe it is by the lying media? Maybe….maybe the fact that 99.58% of everyone infected in Australia in the nearly finished year of 2021 has survived might be enough for me to put down the worry beads for five fucken minutes and stop yelling that the Grim Reeper is knocking on the door ?”

Respect yourself Brutus. Unfreeze your mind from the withered and fossilised mountain of fear you’ve built around the tiny pea of a virus.

If you are so sure that Covid is just a flu why get vaccinated ya pussy!

ah Blowin , so you had to get vaccinated because of people like me ....old vaginas....wow you are a misogynist also ??
So you compromised your morals and beliefs and still you are rambling about deaths , which is not even in the conversation.....I'll say it again ....our health systems are really struggling , but you don't give a shit about anybody but you .......did you read what the Nurses are saying?
No fear here....but you interpret my opinions and facts as ,The Grim Reaper....you are the one shitting himself , scared shitless of a system that made you get vaccinated.......LOL,LOL,LOL!!

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Vic Local Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 5:32pm

blowin really does love to tell everyone how they are scared and living in fear.
Man, can that bloke project.
I wouldn't want to be paddling out behind blowin if a 3 ft set landed on his head. He's bailing for sure.

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brutus Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 5:32pm

Hey Blowin....just checking to see if you are not too full of fear from what we post here.....so,

"I treat Covid like I do malaria. I’ll go out of my way to avoid catching it but I’m not going to live in fear and hide in a locked cupboard and forfeit my life to avoid the tiny possibility that I catch it and the utterly remote possibility that I die from it."
It’s called reality bloke. You should try it."

Not sure if you realize that malaria is not contagious , comes from a mosquito.....Covid/Colds/Flus are actually contagious........would you like some links about contagions , or I could write in CAPITALS?

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Craig Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 6:00pm

A lot of heated discussion on here today, I think it's best everyone gave it a rest for a bit. Go for a walk outside, suck in that fresh air, enjoy the rising moon.

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overthefalls Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 6:06pm

Just got back from getting my second jab. Feeling pretty good. Not consumed by fear. Everyone else pretty relaxed about it all. No fuss.

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Blowin Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 6:18pm

Brutus- Pretty sure I know what contagious means. I’ll put it into context and you can confirm if you agree.

“I realised that Brutus was a bit slow on the uptake so thought I’d better pander to the old bugger and just keep repeating my opinions over and over again until they sunk in . His fossilised brain did eventually start to get a tiny inkling of what I was trying to say but I swear to God it took the contagious.”

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Roadkill Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 7:00pm

My 16 yo got her Pfizer shot yesterday. Felt a bit tired today, had a nap for a couple of hours this afternoon. Her twin brother gets his tomorrow.

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Mishad Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 8:50pm

@Craig I have been tracking and looking at Public Health England's Variant reports. See link for the their latest. See table 5 representing hospitalisations and deaths by age (over 50/under 50) and by Vacc status.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

Now, if you look at Table 5 in the report, I have plotting this data since June 2021, it shows the under 50s vacinated are better off than the under 50s unvaxed by quite a margin. But its the over 50s Vaxxed that are dying and hospitalised at around 2.65 times the vaxed. This is also skewing the data indicating higher for over all deaths in the vaxed than unvaxed.

BUT...I checked, and the latest data suggests that 85% of over 50s in England are vaxed, therefore, as you said, you'd expect a high amount of the vaxed in the elderly to be dying etc. And thats what the data suggests. So a quick calc, There are 5.67 times the people over 50 that are vaxed vs unvacced in England. There are 2.65 time the people over 50 dying that are vaxed over unvaxed. Does this mean the Vaccines are having a positive effect in this age range according to these numbers? Because I've been trying to get my head around this data lately and given I'm 45 yrs old, and between the two age ranges, at first glance the data seems ambiguous given the glaring differences between the over 50s vaxed deaths (high compared to the unvacced) compared to un50 vaxed deaths (low compared to the unvacced). Its a mind F%$k but it's important to make this clear because there is so much opposing information around this that some clear guidance around the what the raw data is telling us would be most welcome.

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donweather Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 9:37pm

Mishad. I haven’t looked at your link but if they quote actual numbers of people over 50 in both of the stats you’re quoting above then it should be a simple percentage calculation to work out the better odds.

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donweather Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 9:45pm

Table 4 is interesting reading. Supposedly we’d been told delta is way more contagious and way more deaths than any other strain and yet results show otherwise. Alpha and Eta are worse.

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I focus Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 9:51pm
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A lot of heated discussion on here today, I think it's best everyone gave it a rest for a bit. Go for a walk outside, suck in that fresh air, enjoy the rising moon.

Haha full moon tonight?
Won't help.

Cannot believe these "discussions" are still going given the amount of data available.

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donweather Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 9:51pm

So Mishad I just did the numbers.

For over 50’s Delta death rate is as follows:

Unvaccinated 6.9%
Vaccinated 2.0%

So you’re almost 4 times more likely to die from Delta if you’re unvaccinated.

I haven’t done the numbers for under 50’s.

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shortenism Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 9:54pm

Based on those graphs from Craig why are they pushing vaccines onto kids 12 yrs and upwards?

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donweather Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 10:04pm
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Based on those graphs from Craig why are they pushing vaccines onto kids 12 yrs and upwards?

when you say “they” who are you referring too? Vaccine companies will be pushing it onto every age group.

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Supafreak Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 10:06pm

Talk today for 5 to 11 years old

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donweather Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 10:29pm
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10011701/Australian-children-ag.... https://www.tga.gov.au/committee/advisory-committee-medicines-scheduling...

Your first article is about Pfizer saying it’s safe for children. Ummmm that’s like going into a used car yard and letting the used car salesman tell you you need a used car. In fact whilst you’re here why don’t you get one for each and every family member.

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shortenism Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 10:32pm

Madness!!

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Supafreak Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 10:42pm

@donweather , the risk and benifit doesn’t add up either , have a look at the second link and the people involved backgrounds .Edit Sorry I had the wrong link , I was concerned with so many pharmacist on the list but here’s the proper link https://www.health.gov.au/committees-and-groups/australian-technical-adv...

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donweather Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 10:37pm

Based on the numbers in Mishads report above the death rate in under 50’s is 5 in every 10000 unvaccinated. And a quick look at the numbers for vaccinated and it’s pretty damn close to the same rate. And I would think this would be the same as the age gets younger. Although I haven’t seen the stats for kids. But I for one am certainly not racing out to get my kids vaccinated particularly with Pfizer. I just don’t believe we know enough about such a unique vaccine to understand the long term possible side effects in children. And I’m fully vaccinated with Pfizer for the record.

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donweather Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 10:40pm
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Based on those graphs from Craig why are they pushing vaccines onto kids 12 yrs and upwards?

which graphs are you referring too please?

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bonza Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 10:50pm

https://www.counterhate.com/disinformationdozen

“ Just twelve anti-vaxxers are responsible for almost two-thirds of anti-vaccine content circulating on social media platforms.”

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sypkan Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 10:55pm

finally a little bit of reasonableness in the story... from the 'bias' union hating murdoch press no less...

waleed showing what a pretentious and out of touch twit he can be

mcmanus showing she knows her stuff

and the story showing what bunch of fuckheads the vicco government can be

"...She went on to say the issue could have been handled better by both the Victorian Government and industry bosses, given there was a lack of communication with workers before restrictions came in to place on their work sites."

"...In addition, an abruptly-announced vaccine mandate further infuriated workers.

In order to work on site, all tradies in Victoria must have received at least their first jab by September 23, the state’s Covid reopening road map declared this week."

"...But the mandate was an “unrealistic and blunt approach” that undermines the vaccine rollout, given at extremely short notice, and which did little else but inflame tensions, the Victorian Building Industry Group of Unions (BIGU) said in a statement.

“The (BIGU) maintains the view that the construction industry would have voluntarily reached high levels of vaccination without a heavy-handed approach,” the statement read.

“This heavy-handed mandate by the chief health officer, which was implemented with no notice, has only served to drive many people towards the (anti-vaxxer) movement.”

The union’s Victorian state secretary John Setka said there had been little consultation with the government over Covid measures affecting the industry.

“I have never spoken to Daniel Andrews to be honest,” Mr Setka told the Today program on Tuesday. “I have never met him and never spoken to him. I’ve had no discussions with Daniel Andrews ever.”"

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/current-affairs/waleed-aly-rips...

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Supafreak Tuesday, 21 Sep 2021 at 11:02pm
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https://www.counterhate.com/disinformationdozen

“ Just twelve anti-vaxxers are responsible for almost two-thirds of anti-vaccine content circulating on social media platforms.”

Ive only ever heard of Kennedy jr , never heard of the rest , interesting link bonza