Vaccinate or not

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Supafreak started the topic in Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 6:20pm

I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?

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nomad1 Tuesday, 13 Apr 2021 at 2:59am

We are talking about Norway, yes. Ive lived in Oslo for about 14 years now.
Generally yes, people agree with vaccinations and are keen to get them done.

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nomad1 Tuesday, 13 Apr 2021 at 2:59am

We are talking about Norway, yes. Ive lived in Oslo for about 14 years now.
Generally yes, people agree with vaccinations and are keen to get them done.

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shoredump Tuesday, 13 Apr 2021 at 5:10pm

AZ blood clot 1:350,000
“The pill” blood clot 1:1000

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Sheepdog Tuesday, 13 Apr 2021 at 5:15pm

shoredump believes the 1:350000 number??? Nawwww that's so cute.
Same people said "blood clots not linked" only weeks ago. Same people said last year "kids don't spread the disease". So all I can say to shorey and those clutching on to "safe phrases" from the government is..... "Good for YOUUUU" . pmsl smfh

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shoredump Tuesday, 13 Apr 2021 at 5:58pm

Haha ok answer these two questions for me then.
What number do you think it’s really at, and have you always worn a rubber

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 13 Apr 2021 at 7:05pm

I think the important thing to consider with Covid and vaccines and the current approach by the world is, the current approach is really the only realistic approach.

It would never have been realistic to put vaccines through years of trials first for a number or reasons.

1. The number of deaths we would see in the meantime..

2 Yes economical reasons

3. What is possible the most important aspect, the reality that the more people that get Covid the more chance it has of mutating, not only to become more contagious but it could become deadlier and it could even mutate to affect younger people more seriously.

The longer the majority of the population goes without vaccination the higher this risk becomes imagine if say we put vaccines through five years of trials first imagine how many people would have got Covid, greatly increasing chances of mutations..

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shortenism Tuesday, 13 Apr 2021 at 11:50pm

Keep an eye on this "Egyptian court backs seizure of Ever Given over $900m Suez Canal claim" https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:5630138/zoom:11

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san Guine Wednesday, 14 Apr 2021 at 9:12am

Blood clots...and this is not specifically related to vaccination but just my general musings and not an exhaustive discussion of the mechanisms of the process .

EVERYONE who gets admitted to hospital gets assessed for risk of VTE (venous thrombo-embolus) ie. blood clots. So, if you have been a hospital admitted in-patient, you would almost invariably have had to wear pair of those chic white stockings and/or had a daily injection (usually in the abdomen) of a drug called Clexane.

Clexane is a low molecular weight heparin- an anti anticoagulant. Aspirin also has similar anti-coagulant properties, and is often used in patients post AMI (heart attack) in conjunction with other anti-platelet aggregation drugs (Clopidorel and Ticagrelor are others, while Rivoroxiban/Apixiban are often used to common arrhythmias) to prevent reblockage of the coronary arteries or blood clots from forming, but I digress.

A patient lying in a hospital bed is often immobile and inactive, leading to venous stasis (blood pooling) at the lowest point, that is the feet, this is where DVT's (deep vein thrombosis) can form. Most of us are familiar with the risk of DVT on 'long-haul' flights, calf pain is the classic symptom. Hence, inpatients are mobilised early post op, have early physiotherapy input, wear TED stockings (which compress the vasculature and promote venous return to the heart) and are also given anticoagulants.

Therefore the risk of getting a DVT in hospital is much higher than in the community.

Once a DVT forms, it can then 'break off' from the legs and return with the blood flow back to the heart, where it is pumped around into the lungs.
Here is where the real risks lie. A clot can lodge in the lungs and this is called a pulmonary embolus (PE). They can also lodge in the brain and cause a stroke. PE's are therefore potentially life threatening, if not treated.

In hospital we can determine the presence of PE usually via a particular CT scan called a CTPA ( the PA stands for pulmonary angiogram) or a VQ scan (ventilation
to perfusion).

The standard treatment for PE is...therapeutic Clexane (a twice daily injection specific to body weight) and here we are back at the start!

Hope this made some sense and helps give some basic understanding of why we worry about blood clots, but realise that they are totally treatable.

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Craig Wednesday, 14 Apr 2021 at 9:56am

Thanks for that SG, so reading that, if you did get clotting from the vaccine it is totally treatable?

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udo Wednesday, 14 Apr 2021 at 10:22am

How long after the jab do clots take to form i wonder ?
A huge % of people over 40yrs already have at least 50% narrowing of Arteries last thing they need is a quick forming clot to stop blood flow

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happyppl Wednesday, 14 Apr 2021 at 10:28am

Indo, batfink cheers for info on temp control in transit.
Still cynical of correct procedures being adhered to.

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indo-dreaming Wednesday, 14 Apr 2021 at 12:57pm

@ Udo

I heard an expert talking on ABC radio about it all yesterday, i cant remember the exact time period he said, but i remember thinking gee's thats quite a while it was like days to a week or more.

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blackers Wednesday, 14 Apr 2021 at 1:13pm

@udo/indo: the official risk period is 4 to 20 days after the shot.

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san Guine Wednesday, 14 Apr 2021 at 1:39pm

I would assume (I know, very dangerous) that the treatment of clots secondary to vaccination would follow the same protocols we normally use.

The body has a hugely complex mechanism called the "clotting cascade" to maintain blood stability (homeostasis).
The issue would be if the vax interrupted/interacted with this cascade in a fundamentally different manner from our normal clotting process, and that as they say is well above my pay grade.

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Blowin Wednesday, 14 Apr 2021 at 3:21pm

Heads up guys. Covid has lost the FEAR factor. It’ll be yesterday’s news before you know it. MSM will soon be back to climate change doom loop to sell units. Get in early!

Don’t worry, it’s basically the same, everyone is going to die a horrible death but it’ll be because of too hot / too cold / drought / fires or some other natural process they’ll tell you is now turned up to 11. And you thought the China Flu was bad!

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Supafreak Wednesday, 14 Apr 2021 at 6:21pm
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truebluebasher Thursday, 15 Apr 2021 at 12:15am

Many crew are questioning Vax choice or lack of it, that likely led us to this point.
tbb thought to back track & unravel where it went off the rails.
Off to a good start & dug even deeper but it just got more & more murky...tbb feels all dirty now!
Did well & dug up all the answers but it only leaves Aussies more deflated.( Huge apology...No win! )
Oz Vax corruption is set in stone by big players..ain't no wriggle room for us little people here!

Replay the whole deal & it still rolls out with the same crooks & same vaxes. (So sorry to say!)
Crew knows what unfolds beneath...no surprises...just rampant greedy pandemic profiteering.
Oz got wot it voted for...pure & simple! All knew this would happen & it did!
The [L] media aren't interested with entrenched corruption & wouldn't know where to start digging.
No good news & No happy ending...if yer into corruption, then tbb can promise bucket loads. Go for it!

Ya gotta read this start bit ... don't ask why... ya just gotta....buggered if tbb knows either!

Jane Halton (Davos) >WHO / CEPI / Covax / 201 / Oz Health / ASPI / Corps / ANZ / Vault / Crown
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/players/halton.html
Husband Trevor Sutton ABS #2 > IHME +2016 census / crash / hack > Accenture ID 2020 GAVI Gates
(re: brother of Vic CHO Brett Sutton > Vic Hot Hotel inquiry sister in law Jane Halton)...In the Family!

Jan 2020 - Apparently it all starts & ends with Jane / Gates / Davos / WHO.
Tip: You can just flick thru the boring Davos pomp...just reference what you need.
https://www.bbva.com/en/whats-happening-davos-forum/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-22/davos-world-economic-forum-meetin...
Jan 2020 - Jane's boss (Gates) Unicef WHO CEPI buys out UQ ( see Sept : Jane's Oz UQ vax deal )
March - Nat' Covid Co-Ord Commission - Crown Director Jane Halton (Rigs up James' Hot Hotel chain)
Boss asks Jane to pull ADF extras from Hot Hotel Lobby > ( re: July- Jane's inquiry forgets she did this!)
Gates CEPI bankrolls Novavax $4m + again in May $384m (see Nov : Also Oz Novavax deal )
May- Jane argues with Paul Kelly for a "Coercive & Manipulative" Vax 2 Play Covid Vax Rollout.
June - Jane's boss Gates- funds AZ / UK expansion Plants into India. (see Sept : Oz vax Deal)
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/astrazeneca-starts-manufacturing-poten...
Jane > Gates CEPI funds a new Vic CSL air precinct vax plant to guarantee AZ (BSL4) Supply lines.
https://www.csl.com/news/2020/20200907-csl-to-manufacture-and-supply-uq-...
July - Hot Hotel boss Jane Halton heads inquiry into failed Crown Director Jane Halton's Hot Hotels.
Conflict of both running & reviewing hot hotels was brought up in Parliament...all shake heads! (Wot?)
file:///C:/Users/Owner/Downloads/278.%20AQoN_Health_18082020%20(7).pdf
https://www.crikey.com.au/2020/07/14/hotel-quarantine-coronavirus-crown/
Aug - CSL is being pressured to include Gates AZ into Gates UQ timeline. (re: Paywall -Sorry)
https://pharmadispatch.com/news/even-our-letter-of-intent-is-not-as-good...
Sept - Jane Halton thread....
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1306327872894693376.html
NCC / WHO/ CEPI chair Jane recommends Fed Govt buy "Gates WHO / CEPI Vaxes
CEPI Jane's same day deal - Gates Qld Uni Vax 51m + Gates Oxford Uni Vax 33.8m
World tax Big Pharma 1% for VICS > CSL -Seqirus (Govt) underwrite indemnity of Gates [P] Vaxes.
https://www.csl.com/news/2020/20200907-csl-to-manufacture-and-supply-uq-...
Sept/Oct - Halton CEPI signs Oz into WHO / Gates (GAVI) "Covax Deal"
Chinese $billions of Vax thru Gates WHO Covax secures far reaching continuous World Port Leases.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-22/australia-joins-covax-coronavirus...
https://www.who.int/news/item/18-12-2020-covax-announces-additional-deal...
Oct - (Crown Inquiry) Disgraced Crown Chair Jane Halton...again, nope! Can't remember a thing?
https://www.afr.com/chanticleer/jane-halton-s-fragile-memory-lets-her-do...
Note : Oz Govt Future Fund Pfizer shares are worth $265m
Nov- Govt buys 10m Pfizer doses + 2021 Feb 10m / April 20m ( Like buying yer own shares back)
(Same day) Jane ticks off boss' Gates Novavax 40m doses
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/05/covid-vaccines-scott-morri...
Dec - Jane / Gates - UQ V451 Vax deal is cancelled.
Dec - Oz Govt / CSL to produce extra 20m Gates AZ
https://www.health.gov.au/ministers/the-hon-greg-hunt-mp/media/australia...

Jan 2021 - Pfizer commits 40m doses to Gates GAVI / WHO Covax
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/22/pfizer-to-supply-40-million-covid-vaccin...
Jan - April - J & J steadfastly refuse to supply Vax to Oz without VICS. ( Future Fund $251m J & J)
Jan/Feb - Govt scrambles to get an extra 10m Pfizer doses.
Feb- Oz restricts AZ for 65+ (Case by case only)
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/what-the-tga-means-by-case-by-...
March -{ TIGERMAN } Jane Halton (Davos) Runs Australia
https://www.bitchute.com/video/tzO4Ne9vwTIL/
April- Oz restricts AZ for U50 (Strictly 50-65 y'o) Rules out many in this Post Op / Co illness bracket.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/australia-halts-astrazeneca-covid-19-vac...
Oz begins dumping AZ in Pacific Ocean...(Neighbourly Foreign Aid gesture)
Pacific Islands have world's youngest Frontline Populations...(AZ dump is a Major Rollout Setback)
Qld Uni reckon they have the Vax Bomb & want another major Govt hand out.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/university-of-queensland-new-vaccine-h...
Oz buys another 20m doses of Pfizer
Oz Govt Future Fund has $251m shares in J & J. ( No VICS No Jabs) J & J ( Blood Clots as AZ)
Costello has Jane spinning like a Top on his Breaky TV.
https://9now.nine.com.au/today/coronavirus-vaccine-rollout-issues-timeli...
Oz reports over 50% Pfizer Vax wasted.(re: 28.5% LDSN) + Only 50-65 can jab AZ.

Coming Soon...
2021 [L] Mass mandatory soggy census crashed & hacked postal voted Vax Rollout...(Is that right?)
(tbb's Halls / Arenas / Mobile Vaccination [ Parts 1/2/3 ] - 7/8th April)
https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/506540?page=13

Having the worlds slowest Rollout eases the pain & softens the blow..be thankful for [L] Vax Apathy.

(Extra) Oz Vax Rollout Conflicts of Interest that equally contribute to Vax choice.
[ Full credit to IMOP ] Big thanks for fleshing out the above Oz Vax Timeline...Legends!

CSL - WHO (3rd Party Trials) + Undisclosed CSL shares.
Future Fund - CSL $674m can't manufacture Pfizer $264m + J & J $251m (No VICS No Vax)
ATAGI (5) Group - 3 Pfizer / 1 Novavax
NHMRC - AZ
Virgo - Novavax
Imunization Coalition - Pfizer / CSL
Influenza Specialist Group - Pfizer
APACI - CSL
Vaccine Trials Group / Telethon Kids - J & J / Pfizer
IFPMA (Oz Branch)+ GAVI - Pfizer / J & J
(see link for details)

Extra Oz Conflict of interest (Details) with other Big Pharma ( eg: Covid Testing etc)
https://imoparty.com/Conflicts-of-Interest-in-Vaccination-Policies

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Supafreak Thursday, 15 Apr 2021 at 5:07am

Denmark withdraws AZ after 1 in 40,000 experience blood clotting. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56744474

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truebluebasher Thursday, 15 Apr 2021 at 10:56am

Qld > Italy > UK - Covid Vax is Mandatory for Frontline Health Workers.
Europe is gearing up for "Mandatory Kidz Covid vax"
ECHR Legal Expert : "Reinforces the possibility of compulsory Covid vax!"

For the 1st time > Euro Human Rights voted 16 to 1 ( Pre School ) > [[ No Jab No Play }------,
https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/08/mandatory-vaccinations-for-children-...
Doping out our { Vax Rate Chart } should increase our Olympic Medal Tally.
Fuck the rights of you puny individuals & Fuck yer Religious Freedoms...

*Health Ministers : "Human Body is no longer a temple!"
*Health Ministers : "Your carcass is a repurposed experimental drugged out Big Pharma husk!"
*Health Ministers : "We are Aliens in our own world as cradle to grave barcoded stasis mutants!"

Leaders : *Mutantpollskyrockets** [ v ^ Beep v ^ v ]

[ v^ Beep #.........] Prod! "Turn off the switch & unplug it, just give it a quick wipe!" (Fresh Pod 4 hire!)

UK PM : "It is very very important for everybody to understand that the reductions in infections & hospitalisations & deaths has not been achieved by the vax program...."
twas Lockdowns that slayed the Beast...as we unlock we'll inevitably see deaths rise all over again!

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-lockdown-is-main-reason-for-drop-in-...

So yeah! Fuck Science & Fuck Maths & Fuck Logic
Oz PM: "Boris is saying... Big Pharma needs more Kidz for fake Covid experimental drug Trials."
"More Top 40 supa-spreading Covid Vax Rollout Parties & Less girly Covid starving lockdowns!"

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Supafreak Thursday, 15 Apr 2021 at 7:28pm

It sux you need a court order to get access to a treatment to save your life https://trialsitenews.com/american-hero-ralph-c-lorigo-fights-for-client... Money rules the world and big pharma has plenty. History will not paint a pretty picture of profits over patients. https://trialsitenews.com/is-the-ivermectin-situation-rigged-in-favor-of...

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Supafreak Thursday, 15 Apr 2021 at 7:41pm
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nomad1 Thursday, 15 Apr 2021 at 7:51pm

san Guine wrote:
EVERYONE who gets admitted to hospital gets assessed for risk of VTE (venous thrombo-embolus) ie. blood clots. So, if you have been a hospital admitted in-patient, you would almost invariably have had to wear pair of those chic white stockings and/or had a daily injection (usually in the abdomen) of a drug called Clexane.

A patient lying in a hospital bed is often immobile and inactive, leading to venous stasis (blood pooling) at the lowest point, that is the feet, this is where DVT's (deep vein thrombosis) can form.

Yeah i was in hospital for 2 weeks in Feb and even though i was only immobile for about 2/3 days of that they had me on a blood thinner type thing the whole time to avoid blood clots. I was getting jabbed with various things during my stay.. for some reason the evening blood thinner always sucked the most.

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san Guine Friday, 16 Apr 2021 at 8:08am

Udo,
This is being reported by The Guardian:

The federal health department on Thursday night said the blood clotting disorders being investigated in connection with the AstraZeneca vaccine were “very rare and differ from common blood clots or venous thromboembolism which occur in around 50 Australians every day”. The clotting disorder being investigated in connection with the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, which is now referred to as ‘thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome’ (TTS), has been confirmed in only two cases out of over 700,000 people who have received the AstraZeneca vaccine in Australia.

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san Guine Friday, 16 Apr 2021 at 8:26am

Here is a link for those interested in TTS, mentioned above. The take home message being:
"TTS/VIPIT appears similar to an autoimmune condition known as heparin induced thrombocytopenia (HIT), where an immune reaction to heparin used for anticoagulation impacts platelet"

https://mvec.mcri.edu.au/references/thrombosis-with-thrombocytopenia-syn...

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Supafreak Friday, 16 Apr 2021 at 10:48am

@san Guine , any idea why Denmark had such different stats to the rest of the world ? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56744474

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san Guine Friday, 16 Apr 2021 at 11:02am

Supafreak,
Seems like a lot higher incidence of blood clots using AZ from the Denmark experience, doesn't it. You'd have to drill down into the figures, reporting of clots and methodologies used to get the results.
Are we comparing 'apples with apples'?

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Supafreak Friday, 16 Apr 2021 at 11:05am

I thought maybe diet or lotsa smokers , just seems strange such a big difference .

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Blowin Friday, 16 Apr 2021 at 11:42am

What a huge surprise! Truly from left field....said no one ever.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/pfizer-ceo-says-third-covid-j...

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truebluebasher Friday, 16 Apr 2021 at 12:02pm

Monday - Jabaroo Summit

Minutes
Rollout week 12,654 - More blaming of Sharks for adverse reactions ("Motion carried for Bee Stings!")
Oz made Vax is only suitable for 50- 65 y'o ( Excluding 4m/4m world's unhealthiest post op boomers )

Quarantine Caps...not funny...take them off!
* Increase Slave Migration from everywhere real quickly offset by lowering Oz Repatriation real fast .
* Cover the cost of Migrant Quarantine & make Aussies pay for it! (Check!)
* Keep depriving ventilation to $3,000 Aussie Quarantine crawl Spaces...forever if you can!

Vaxine #1 guidelines...do we still gotta do them boss!
* Deny batch Numbers on Aussie patient's Vax Cards so they can't claim VICS (Compo)...(All say Aye!)
* Promise to keep wasting over 50% expensive Pfizer Vax ... (All say Aye!)
* Re-brand & ship out Oz made Oldie Vax as Southern Mission Youth Aid - (Humanitarian slave elixir)
* Order buckets more Vax from our Future Fund...'No! Not that vax...the other one!'... "Does it matter!"

Rollout...can we go any slower... ( Do we need to change the Vision Statement?)
* Keep denying Over 65's their old-school AZ vax
* Keep priority jabbing Over 65's with invaluable U50 Frontline Yuppie Pfizer Vax
* Keep denying U50 Frontline their Yuppie Vaccinations > offer them under the counter clotty Vax.
* Training 600 extra Covid Parking Rangers to patrol 6 x [2P] at 30,000/day Mass Vax centre
* Free Friday Adverse Reaction Bus to be fitted with extra cargo space.
* Vax Passes...strictly for Australia's most Covid infectious 7 day vaxxerz...(All say Aye!)

Olympic Vax Tally.
* IOC Coates : "Oz Athletes will be vaxed (Before June)" = (At Latest AZ 12 wk dose before March)?
* PNG Olympic Athletes vaxed with very 1st - batch of 50 Oz Vax (Note by the End of March)
* Cheer on Olympic size Oz Vax queue Jump into a cauldron of 40,000 infectious games protesters.
Note: Japan's Olympic Vax Rollout is ramping a Covid Tsunami of 2x 40,000 ft.
Japan can still save a fortune & Olympics by abandoning Rollout...(Proven to work every time!)
UK / Israel / Singapore Vax rollouts ramped Covid to a peak then their rollouts died & Covid vanished.

[ factcheck ] Does IOC adopt this obvious shit easy no cost fix to save Olympics & $Billions.
tbb's free tip was censored as misinformation...blinded by science, Olympians march into the Abyss!

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truebluebasher Sunday, 18 Apr 2021 at 1:30am

( 2020 ) 28,185 Less Oz deaths or 33% less deaths than forecast.
Lockdowns & Record Oz Flu vax Rollout played a large part.
No ones fond of the Lockdowns & all ignore Oz record Rollout! Why is that?
April last year the same Govt & Frontline were flying at 3x the pace saving 3x Oz lives.
Plan is to salvage wot we can from well buried Flu Vax rollout, easier said than done!
Covid Vaxes are swamping the internet & are whitewashing 2021 Flu Vax Rollout!
tbb took years to dig up anything at all from our #1 Shit Hot Flu Vax Rollout.
Only wanna prove that Oz is & was just recently 3x better than our defeated selves.

2020 Flu Vax-7 brews x 5 phases (Yes! Note it's larger & more arduous in every way)
30-60% Efficacy (Quad mix - changes each year!) Up to 1 year expiry date.
Screaming kicking Kidz get vaxed + all Aged Care Flu Vax is Mandatory! (A hard sell.)

2020 Vax Stats (Overview) Govts sold Trusty Flu Vax as a default Covid Cure.
Pre Covid fear factor > (Higher) ( People jumped queues for good 'ol' egg nog Vax )
Fear Factor : 8.8%-SA > Tas > Vic > 16% Qld > NT-ACT > NSW > WA -20%
Vax by State > (Higher)
45% WA > 47% NSW > 47.5% Tas > 49% Qld > 50% Vic > 57% NT-ACT / 60% SA
Vax by demographic > (Higher)
10% No - Work 20% / 40% No cover - Private 55% / 40% good -Health- poor 55%

Key- Month 2020- Yearly Doses > 2019 > 2018 > 2017
1st March 2020- Rollout begins
19th April 2020- 2.1m (42K/day) > 2019- 624,000 (13K/day) > 2018 -235,000 (5K/d)
29th April 2020- 3.57m (60K/day) > 2019 -1.53m (25.5K/d) > 2018 - 1.22m (20K/d)
1st May - Mandatory Vax to Visit or Work in Aged Care.(Yep! We did the tuff shit!)
27th May 2020 - 7.3m (Peak 83K /day) > 2019 4.5m (51K/day) > 2018 - 3.5m (40K/d)
End May 2020 - *Supplies *18m > 2019 *11m > 2018 *10m > 2017 *8.3m
Mid July 2020 - 8.8m (64K/day) > 2019 - 6.8m (50K/day)
Sept - Govt : { It's Not too late to get Vaccinated } In itself spells the end of Flu season.
https://www.health.gov.au/news/2020-influenza-vaccines-its-not-too-late-...
Oct - TGA begins composing 2021 Flu Vax > 2020
https://www.tga.gov.au/aivc-recommendation-composition-influenza-vaccine...
Oct - 13m doses (Approx) 48.5K/ day (Average) calculated min base figures
Dec - Immunisation Coalition CEO : 2020 Total 17m doses in arms!

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2021 Forward
This year marks a whole new Chapter in Oz Flu Vaccines
CSL can't produce 2 'live virus' Vaccines at same time! (re: No Novavax / Flu / AZ)
Can't herd Chickens (Old Flu) / Dogs (New Flu) / Monkeys (AZ) in one Lab. (Kinda!)
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/csl-rules-out-m...

tbb will have a crack at it...close yer eyes!
1. Crew can see Oz needed extra early AZ supply from Europe (To brew Flu Vax!)
2. This buys CSL 2 months to first brew Flu-vaxes > then get back to the AZ brew
3. CSL were then likely denied their yearly "425,000 / day Chinese Eggs" for Flu-vax.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-03-27/flu-new-vaccine-cell-based...
4. CSL finally changed over to Doggie Kidneys...(Gates bankrolls new CSL Tulla Tub)
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/science/super-flu-vaccine-gets-the-goah...
5. Eggs & Approval for Dog Flucelvax explains the 1 month delay for both Oz Flu / AZ.
With 'cell recipe' CSL will push less contaminating dual vax brewing where possible.
New Doggie Fluvax is said to be 5-10% more effective...Woof Woof!
CSL Flu Hangover cures > $25 Clotty Egg Nog or $40 Hair of the dog.

29th March 2021 Flu-vax is released a month later than 2020 (Not a good start!)
16th April - Doggie Doses are down 50% (Not a good sign)
It's fair to say 2020 Oz will boot 2021 Oz fair up the arse & real hard at that!
We are our own worst enemy...can't see Oz Media / Pollies waking up for Flu Vax.
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Covid vaxes Rollout
21st Feb - Pfizer Rollout
8th March - AZ Rollout
26th March - AZ (Over 65 restrictions)
30th March - Mandatory for Qld Covid Frontline
8th April - AZ (Under 50 restrictions)
16th April - Day 53 Rollout 1,420,577 doses or 27k/day

Day 50 Rollout Speed Check > ( 2018 -5k/day > 2019 -13k/day > 2020 - 42k/day )
Day 60 Rollout Speed Check > ( 2018 - 20k/d > 2019 -25.5k/d > 2020 - 60k/day )
Day 88 Rollout Speed Check > ( 2018 - 40k/d > 2019 -51k/day > 2020 - 83k/day )

tbb's Speedy Rollout Time Machine is good for a few Doses yet...
Can mix'n'match Doses / Month / Season / Year / Vax ( for Speed Test or Benchmarks )
Time Machine should get Oz up to speed with our record 2020 Vax Rollout.
No pies in the Sky just do what we did last year & it gets done in equal record time!
Note : All Top 40 Vax Rollouts superspread Covid ...so just stick to the speed limit.

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Blowin Sunday, 18 Apr 2021 at 6:52am

Humanitarian slave elixir!

Classic

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sypkan Sunday, 18 Apr 2021 at 2:06pm

I think that pfizer ceo dude needs a body language expert advisor, so he can work on his mr. burns / evil mastermind hand gestures...

given the vibe re. vaccines etc.

nice choice of photo smh

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truebluebasher Sunday, 18 Apr 2021 at 3:04pm

Timely share san Guine ...BBC earlier reported on organised peak Mass movement in China.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55791858

Isolation & Locking down clearly is the cure..Islands & desolate regions have lowest cases.
Island / Isolated Nations rewound (10-20 years) 30% less deaths during 2020 Covid Year.
Interactive World Maps endlessly show cases & deaths subsiding on back of Lockdowns.

Unbelievably! Scientists dismiss & argue against these blatantly obvious in yer face truths.
Their time to shine & no way are Pollie's Lockdowns gonna rule the day!

World Maps equally show cases & deaths rise when crowded societies share borders & gather.
World's largest festivals & Anglo run Holiday travel timetables fuel Covid outbreaks.

Likewise World's largest Vax rollout pilgrimage spikes the largest continuous outbreaks & deaths.
https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/506540?page=14
US Dem' Vax states are spreading outbreaks & anti vax Rep' states remain covid safe zones...(Trump?)
Prez Biden refuses to lockdown & instead pours more Big Pharma Fuel on crowded Vax Hot Spots.
Less about science but more real life...(Crowded vaxed CBDs - spread Covid twice as fast) Simple!
This is obvious to all but Big Pharma's puppet Govts killing 100,000's in the name of science...(Stop it!)
Close yer eyes pick any Top 40 Vax Nation ...Ramp vax > Ramp Covid or Halt Vax > Halt Covid.

Covid "Full Vax Immunity Passes" reduce cases & death by policing White Trash VIP comfort Zones
Wealthy White over represent Vax community by 15% (vs) under privileged under represent by 15%.
Big Pharma is selling the ultimate Vax > Race (vs) Poverty fuelling #1 Racial Health Crisis...Win! Win!
No vaxed person would dare touch a poor person in case someone recorded them & reported it.
Well that & the fact vaxxerz become hyper fearful of catching Covid...need another fix...Now! I said!

UK PM - Vax is all very well & cute but Lockdown Slayed the Beast...open yer doors & we die like flies!
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/lockdown-covid-19-cases-pandemic-bori...

US Prez is busy fuelling more Covid Vax Outbreaks to meet his targets # [misinformation [f] Censored]

Oz variant of UK fairytale..
OZ PM - Mutant Airways could prematurely bruise 1,000 slaves a week...
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/scott-morrison-warns-of-100...
[0:30] OZ POV Home Iso can free up Hot Hotels for Slaves
[0:35] We decide which unvaxed [L] Repats must fork out for a Joycey Jab to enter Oz....Mr Speaker.
[0:45] [L] Crawl Space Hot Hotels can now essentially squeeze in 160,000 Mutant Slaves

tbb's (above) Rollout Time Machine / Oz Rollerball fans need to consider countless variables...
Never mean't to simplify the Oz Rollout as such ....only fair to example tireless work behind the masks.
Aussie Frontline Health Vaxxerz have a much larger 2021 overhaul than most nations.
The Class of 2021 Vaxxerz have it toughest of all...tbb will share their load from researcher's angle!

* Vast > less populated nations can stall the virus but in reverse take forever to Rollout a vax.
* 2021/22 will need to compete & work in with Census & Fed Election for funds & priority.
* Covid Outbreaks will drain on Health / Vax resources
* Hospital + GP lockdowns & Cancelled appointments have often stalled vax.
* Reopening of wider Travel & growing mobile population will make it harder each day.
* More open Covid Testing requirements will exhausts similar Health Resources
* Legals & Retraining Health Staff for all new Flu / Covid vaxes in 2021
* Reporting of All 2021 & Past Vaccines is Now Mandatory.( Robo's MyHealth sales are Up 300%)
* [P] Vaxes have already redefined & severely restricted & rewritten Rollout Phases 3x in 2 months .
* 1 (vs) 2x doses is the most obvious difference.
* Needles shortage leading to increase reporting of record Vax Waste
* Import / Interstate Vax delays
* Insider Theft for VIP vaxes
* Family Permission for Aged Care Covid Vax (vs) Mandatory Aged Care Flu Vax + Qld Frontline Vax
* Covid Vax 30min [< 4sqm >] supervised safety zones
* Training 10,000 migrant Nurses in Vaccination.
* Children get Flu Vaccinations (vs) Note : Over a dozen Oz Kidz wrongly got the Covid Jab so far.
https://eminetra.co.nz/the-tga-admits-that-minors-have-accidentally-been...
tbb reckons we're only scratching the surface...just imagine added pressure working on vax fronline.
Plain to see Oz Health staff have never worked harder...Salute!
tbb vax rollout targets are exampled for any number of reason...but never to denigrate the Frontline.
If Oz health can equal 2020 record single shot vax...then that's something special...no heroes required.

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sypkan Sunday, 18 Apr 2021 at 3:16pm

"US Dem' Vax states are spreading outbreaks & anti vax Rep' states remain covid safe zones...(Trump?)"

I've read this in a few places now, is it really true? ...not questioning basher, but seems rather odd, especially as dems were attributing prior breakouts to anti masker trumpers... pretty bizarre stuff...

...could be weather (florida, texas ect.)...

...or pop. density...

...rural versus urban...

... or something else...

but a truly bizarre turn of events

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Supafreak Sunday, 18 Apr 2021 at 7:35pm

No way will big pharma allow this to happen , not when there are billions of $$$ to be made. https://contextly.com/redirect/channel/from/post/params/Y2hhbm5lbDYwNzli...

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Supafreak Sunday, 18 Apr 2021 at 10:22pm

Always enjoy reading the comments on these articles https://www.ft.com/content/fcc50938-4190-43c8-b8f9-d011b5f840e1 Hope all goes well for the under 50s ( and older ) https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-18/victorian-health-minister-vaccine...

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truebluebasher Sunday, 18 Apr 2021 at 11:49pm

US hits 200m vax doses = as World hits a new Covid Peak Today
sypkan asks the right question at the right time as everything is opposite for a reason.
Simple answer is Vaccine amplifies Covid Outbreaks...(Sounds crazy but it's true!)
Big pharma convince Pollies to pour more fuel onto the Hot Spots to sell more vax.
Japan are begging for more Vax to fuel a Covid Vax peak that will rule out the Olympics.

tbb has been exampling such since early Feb & in light of today needs a refresher course...next post.

1st, sypkan was kind enough & wise enough to place trust in the crew as do we all...Salute to Crew!
For that he gets Top Shelf treatment... Yes tbb was equally surprised with back 2 Front US cases.
https://www.wbur.org/npr/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-corona...
15th April Traffic Light Map > Green > Yellow > Orange > Red (Hot Covid)...
Yellow - (Rep - Kan/ Ark / Okl / Miss) > (Dem - Calif / Ariz )
Orange - ( Mixes both )
Red - ( Rep- Fla ) vs (Dem - Maine / NH / Minn / Mich / NY /Mass / RI / iLi / Pa / NJ / Conn / Del / Col )
See Vaxer Biden's problem...that's why tbb was wondering where Trump is? (Only gets Worse!)

week ago - Lone 2nd tier Rep state Florida is getting smothered by 20-30 Dem Covid outbreak states.
https://www.facebook.com/CDC/photos/a.184668026025/10159046356971026/?ty...

Pretty much near all Prez Biden Dem' vaxer states are spreading covid...it is what it is!
No ones happy about it..."They can simply stop vaxing and the virus will go away just as fast!"...durr!
So! Dems will ramp the Vax for more Covid Outbreaks won't they...what d' ya reckon! {RIP}

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This is the basis of tbb's " Vax Rolloutbreaks " there are several other reasons reported earlier
Jan / Feb tbb was searching for a reason for Israeli Rollout Covid spike anomaly & found this paper.
So yeah! tbb salutes the speed in which this simple but insightful study was shared with the world.
How this study paper is still ignored is a crime as it explains today's & everyone's Covid Peak.!

3rd Feb 2020 - UK Health Team : Paul Hunter / Julii Brainard..."Real World Study"- Israel Rollout.
"Surprisingly after initial injection they "WARN" that the risk of infection 'Doubled' & case numbers in Israel 'increased strongly to Day 8' before declining to Low Levels by Day 21...Possibly because
people became less cautious. Estimated vaccine effectiveness was pretty much "ZERO" at Day 14."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/03/one-pfizerbiontech-jab-giv...
Israel also later recorded the 1st Dose spreading effect spiking the country's largest outbreak.
CDC also extended 10 > 14 day 2nd dose for immunity start point. (Due to 2nd dose Outbreaks!)
Israel / Oz ignore this to reward Nation's #1 infectious VIP {POVs} to superspread virus after 7 days.

Note all Top 40 Rollouts in every Nation spike Outbreaks & then as Vax rate dies cases die.(It's natural)

Crew have exampled similar...
Covid / Flu Vax / Gap between Vaxes / Vax Doses all take 14 days to take effect. (All Vax brands)
During the 1st 10 days any / all the vaccinated or infected must isolate / Quarantine 14 days...durr!

Purely for political convenience this is waved for vaccines...yet the Vaxer is 2x more likely to spread!
Naturally Big Pharma tell the Pollie to buy more Vax to Fix his Vax problem...soon he's hooked on Vax.
Media joins in on the chorus sell it to us...anyone who doesn't agree is outcast as "One of those!"
It really is the hardest nut to crack...No one would ever Vax if we had to Isolate for 10 -14 days.
So we gotta grin & bear the million or so deaths in order for Big Pharm to sell vaxes to buy our Pollies.

This is why every rapid Rollout spikes the biggest Covid Outbreaks...as tbb said - Just choose any!
It's also why Vax Rollouts have fed Covid to it's new record size ...
Now bigger than ever with new improved Vax.
It remains to be seen if 2nd dose will ramp Outbreaks with new improved 7 day infectious {POV}

So yeah! It's only Natural that if no one isolates after their Vax then Rollouts will spread more Covid.
It's not even a mystery just Human incompetence as Pollies ditch sciency health care for economy!
Millions more will die & no one will say a word! Do agree it's sad, but tbb informed the Govt...their call!
Sorry if it makes the crew feel helpless...but it does explain why the world must remain back 2 front.

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truebluebasher Monday, 19 Apr 2021 at 11:06am

AstraZeneca and other Adenovirus Vaccines were formulated before Long Covid "Blood Clotting".
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2021-04/ntu-nss041321.php
Very similar 'immune response' with Long Haulerz is playing out with the Vaccine.
https://www.livescience.com/what-are-adenoviruses.html
The Body is reacting to DNA coded Vax in a similar way & both went under the radar.
No one knew of Long Covid "Blood Clotting" in coronavirus research when Vax was brewed...

Recall WHO were very reluctant (Sept.) to believe Covid Long Haulerz & No blood clotting mentioned?
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/risk-comms-updates/...
Starting to understand why...as any 'Immune' Blood Clotting response would replicate in DNA Vaxes.
Blood Clotting is the signature of Stop / Start Long Covid but WHO deny it's a symptom at all?
Adenovirus Vax has also long been associated with blood clotting.

All parties have downplayed & censored blood clotting links & know more than they're letting on.
Time has come to end the secrets & focus on Covid / Vax immunity blood clotting as a real issue.
There are plenty of good scientists working in this area...sooner we openly back them, the better!

This will soon be a hot topic...with Vax reaction kick starting some Long Hauler's immunity.
We're talking of same vax instantly triggering immune reaction to attack / heal itself with Covid DNA.
There is a coincidental immune reaction that needs even closer inspection for all reasons good & bad.

tbb also refers to other mRNA Vax tech that is racing & blurring immunology...Now daily News.
https://theconversation.com/3-mrna-vaccines-researchers-are-working-on-t...

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eat-your-vegies Tuesday, 20 Apr 2021 at 12:27am

Cheers tbb for doing so much work as usual
I watch a blog by an English doctor who put up an old study of adenovirus reactions , 2014 I think he said.
They reported this same blood clotting symptom in mice that were given the adenovirus intravenously , which is into the blood stream , but not when given inter-muscular as is required with astravenica .
He made an observation that the majority of vaccine injections he had seen were made without aspirating the needle , which is inserting the needle into muscle and sucking it back to check if there is blood , which would indicate being in a vein and not muscle.
Therefore an unknown number of patients could be getting the vaccine intravenously and exposing them to a clotting risk.
Here’s the blog if your interested
https://youtu.be/WuyAtvwP2H4
Thanks again
Keep up the fight

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I guarantee you won’t hear a peep out of Australian MSM about this . https://contextly.com/redirect/channel/from/post/params/Y2hhbm5lbDYwN2Uw...

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truebluebasher Tuesday, 20 Apr 2021 at 11:30am

Thanks eat-your-vegies & also to supafreak for pushing choice.
Freedom of choice is becoming the most sort after option but sadly least understood.

US frontline were denied a myriad of proven treatments resulting in cases now rising.
Large Populations were denied cost effective rollouts resulting in cases now rising.

Once Vax Rollout Peak & drop...Nation's intro a NEW improved model Vax to bait a fussy market.
AZ tickets were cancelled > All Hail new Kid Moderna crashing the UK Booking Offices

Oz Flu Jab is already 1 month behind & Jab rate is down 50%
Oz AZ under 50 over 65 on case by case > Gladys "Go on...Have A Crack, no travel, I don't buy that!
GP's ignore Gladys to cancel all U50 booking without notice...(You're dreaming Lady!)

tbb's Reedy Creek has 1 GP vaxer only (m-f ) 2-4pm - 1 vile 9/10 bookings / day.
Robina 4/6 now Phone Book Only (Online cancels) (Only one other OnLine GP -Tues-Fri - am only)
Busiest Days - 1 Mon / 2 Tues / 3 Thurs / 4 Wed / 5 Friday (Aint no Aussie gonna die on Weekend)
Busiest Times- Smoko or late arvo...again no Aussie gonna throw up a posh take away meal.
Fair to say Central Gold Coast are not yet into this whole icky Vax Thang! (Mass wot, ya say?)
tbb's local GP processes 4 x no ID Migrant vaxes in that same time...no mention of patients Covid vax?
Note Feds online GP Covid Vaxes are booked thru Ancestry.com (HotDocs)
Next 2 weeks have 20% free bookings / After 2 weeks 65% free bookings thru to July
Robina / Burleigh wish they had that many...well down.
Tip: June is booking faster & only has 38% free bookings (Possibly Over 50's boomer swats )

Question: "Govt's all saw this coming & have a perfect choice on offer at the perfect time!"
Answer: "Feds can choose to restore Vax bookings confidence with Flu Vax catch up Jab..Win! Win!

Natcab all agree to a sensible workable Vax solution...(Wot?)..." Fuck yer girly Flu Death problems..."
NatCab voted to queue jump frozen in time Phase 1 to Mass exterminate Phase 2 Boomerz.
That's how we Rollout in the Shire...back on track for the Train Wreck.

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I read a similar report on BBC on blood clots , seems only AZ getting targeted. https://trialsitenews.com/blood-clot-crisis-covid-19-causes-more-clots-t...

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truebluebasher Wednesday, 21 Apr 2021 at 1:04pm

Thought Bubble Trouble reimagines Breakthru Outbreaks.
Back 2 Front OZ < > NZ Travel Bubble .
Vaxers do Mandatory Tests weekly & catch Covid & Quarantine (vs) Antivaxerz Mile High Party Club


* Mandatory testing is restricted to the Fully Vaccinated crew only?
* All Antivaxerz are free to superspread with zero testing?
* More Red Hot Glowing Mutant Airline Fleets are on order to inject more covid into the Bubble?
* Air Crew use & recommend Hot Spot Stain Remover & Fresh Mutant Air Deodoriser

Report says "Closet Mutant" was first dosed in Feb...(ANZ doses in Groups)
25th Feb ANZ Auckland crews get Pfizer 1st Dose ( "Many" VIP Pilot (Class) aren't vaccinating)
https://www.airnewzealand.com.au/press-release-2021-first-group-of-airnz...
3rd March 2nd round Vax (1st dose)
7th Woman Crew Tests [+] (Arrived from Japan - 28th Feb [-])
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/437882/flight-attendant-with-covid-1...
12th NZ Auckland crew get Pfizer 2nd Dose + Test weekly

10th April - Swiss Flight - Ethiopian UK strain via Qatar Mutant Turnstyle > [+] NZ
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-coronavirus-how-did-the-...
12th NZ crew cleans Red Hot Mutant plane/s Test [-] Works 3 shifts with at least 17 crew + more
13th UK mutant is outed on day 3
19th NZ Crew cleaned Bubble Planes Monday (No NZ/Oz change > Red/Green-Clean?) Not so sure!
19th NZ crew Test [+] to UK Strain despite being Full Pfizer Vaxed. -7 family [-] + 1 undecided!
20th - NZ PM : " Mutant Test Result" by Tomorrow (Wed) re: Traces back to April 10
24th-26th (Day 5 or 17 Crew Weekly Tested - Unusual Delay) + Likely a full read on Mutant Test.

[ Factcheck ] NZ PM "Advice" ....( NZ should maybe travel back in time to the NBN ?)
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/trans-tasman-bubble-unaffected-after-new-zea...
"We entirely expect that "Vaccinated" will still get Covid!" (CDC: US 5,800 Fully Vaxxed > infected)
"Vaxerz won't get sick & die!" (CDC : US Fully Vaxed 396 in Hospital + 74 are already dead ) Too Late!
https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/04/15/cdc-reports-5800-covid-19-infecti...
"Vax reduces the spread to pass it onto others!"
Many Nations of (100%) Fully Vaxed (Months) Nursing Homes report Covid Clusters.
3 fully vaxed Staff of different homes met and each spread further cases in each Nursing Home.

Jan 2021 FDA Dr Offit predicted 1/20 Vax Breakthru Cases will still get moderate to severe Covid!)
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/12/956051995/why-you-s...
1/20 is enough to knock every plane outta the sky & keep crowds outta stadiums

1,000's of Vaxerz are now rapidly spreading covid & 100's are Vaxerz are already dying from Covid.
Breakthru numbers are already skyrocketing & well on target to infect 5% of the population
Sure! FDA / CDC could be spreading misinformation...or maybe just NZ/Oz now censors them also!
To turn yer back & say this is not happening is just crazy talk...it's a Mass misinformation crime wave.

Clearly NZ / OZ Leaders are spreading dangerous misinformation to the people.
NZ PM should withdraw her dangerous spin about Vaxerz not spreading serious Covid or dying!
If Vaxer can't spread then why Isolate vaxer, crew + increase Testing on contacts - Airport -Town.
You can't say piles of shit, then do the opposite shit to the shit ya just said! That would be real shitty!
Recall last NZ Bubble with Scomo handing out free sledgehammers to knock down border Walls.

Most Vax spreaderz can't Test Positive so spread their Covid with Authority & without trace.
Passing off fake feelgood one liners as fact...ain't gonna patch bubbles or bring back the dead.
NZ PM is smarter than this...surely she looks in her rear view mirror at the breakthru wave rising up!

Sorry 'bout the glib ending...crew deserve a bonus World Record [+] [-] Test Show Case
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-47-passengers-test...
4th April (New Delhi to Hong Kong ) Pre Flight [+] [-] Mutant Tests breach record fly by night levels
All 188 [-] New Delhi passengers > land in Hong Kong 47 Test [+]
That's 25% were waved thru the Mutant Turnstyle by retarded rigged [+] [-] Tests...(re: Hawaii / Qatar)

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Unbelievable that they wait more than a year before thinking about trials like this , maybe they have realised that “ only a vaccine can save us “ was not the smartest way of addressing a pandemic, but if they had found a suitable treatment in the US then the emergency response ( vaccine release ) couldn’t have proceeded. https://trialsitenews.com/nih-to-launch-massive-activ-6-phase-3-clinical...