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Yeh it's an interesting one isn't it, and really all of this is just setting up to be a conspiracy theorist's dream.
Similar to you I've always had my vaccinations, as have my kids (youngest just had his latest yesterday actually), so am as far from anti-vax as you can be. But certainly for kids in particular with what we've seen with covid, it really doesn't impact them, so in essence you'll be jabbing your kids to try protect others, which to my knowledge will be the first time in history where your kids will be getting vaccinated less so to protect them, moreso to protect others. I get it's not as simplistic as that, but all the data on kids dying from covid certainly makes it seem that way. For that reason I'll probably be holding off on jabbing them until I have no other choice I reckon.
Then as for adults, I've had the flu shot via work maybe 5 times in the last 15 years and never had the flu, I'll probably get the covid vaccine if I have to (to travel), but if not needing to travel then I dunno, certainly something about the rushed time to make this thing makes me want to sit back and see how it goes for others first, let a few batches roll through! I won't be first in line for it that's for sure...
I guess the other thing that would be interesting to see from Qantas/Joyce is what that stance means for domestic travel. You can still spend anywhere from 1 to 5-6 hours on a flight within Australia, and you'd have to think any amount of time on an aircraft more than an hour or so carries similar risks.
Whatever happens, with the covid numbers as they are in Europe/US, really can't see international travel as a thing in 2021, whether that is people coming here or Aussies holidaying overseas then coming back without quarantine on return.
Comes as no surprise at all, you would expect many countries will also not allow people entry without proof of having the vaccine in a certain period.
If it means i can get back to Indo, i will take my chances with a vaccine.
This isnt the first time proof of vaccination is required to travel. Yellow fever is a similar example that most well travelled people should be aware of.
https://www.who.int/ith/ITH_country_list.pdf
If you don’t get the shot you don’t get to travel. Might mean there’s fever people in the line up than usual. Fingers crossed.
Not only fewer people in the lineup, but no anti-vaxers!
Read into it however you like - you either trust the system (and listen to scientists, peer reviewed research, trials etc) or you don't (and listen to outspoken doubt casters, comedians, celebrity chefs etc.).
With the survival rate of Whu flu close to 100 % without a vaccine,what exactly will the purpose of a new vaccine be ?
I find it really interesting he wants vaccinations for people to fly, but he can't (or won't) even get his flight crew to wear face masks...
is this a deadly virus or not?
I don't know, or feel strongly either way, I'm asking... because I'm done with the contradictions...
also, ol' joycey can't see any benefit, or need... to social distancing on airplanes, meanwhile garuda have taken measures to keep all their middle seats vacant.
again, is this a deadly virus or not?
Is social distancing effective and required or not?
I'm easy either way, but Im so so done with the contradictions...
and just btw, all of the above aside, is qantas the shittest non budget airline there is? or is it just me?
domestically, virgin shit all over them in so many ways. qantas staff are full of attitude and just generally shit, whilst virgin staff are great, helpful, friendly and nice (and kinda hot... not that should be a consideration...)
I've got to be honest, I havent flown qantas internationally for a long time, but comparing qantas to singapore airlines, or garuda, or even more budget carriers, qantas are just generally shit, shit food, shit staff, shit attitude... shit airline...
maybe the rainman stats make up for everything, but they just seem to be living off a past reputation to me and are poor value
Alan Joyce needs a good reaming over this decision !
i think Mr. Joyce is getting reamed by the other Mr. Joyce on a regular basis .... !
I'm surprised Joyce made a pre-emptive move. I figured it would happen one way or another but as a govt mandate and not a private sector initiative. Now he's the latest name on the list that reads Epstein, Hilary, and Gates.
As for the vaccine, I don't feel strongly one way or another, which has been my disposition for most of 2020. Helps that I'm not rushing to escape the departure gates so I don't need to take the vaccine anyway. Just happy to see things moving along, with people soon able to travel beyond the national border.
Which list is that ?
The list of paedophiles and perpetrators of cunning deceits whose crimes are only visible to a small cohort of researchers that freed themselves from the shackles of mainstream media.
That list.
Qantas is only the first of many, perhaps all, int'l airlines that will make the jab a requirement.
Qantas. I would only fly with them if there were no other options.
"reads Epstein, Hilary, and Gates"
What have Gates and Hilary done to be in the same sentence as Epstein?
Qantas. I would only fly with them if there were no other options.
"reads Epstein, Hilary, and Gates"
What have Gates and Hilary done to be in the same sentence as Epstein?
"What have Gates and Hilary done to be in the same sentence as Epstein?"
If you haven't been exposed to far-right conspiracy theories, particularly Pizzagate and the like, then I'm jealous of you. Hold onto the belief that humans are rational people.
"If you haven't been exposed to far-right conspiracy theories, particularly Pizzagate and the like, then I'm jealous of you. Hold onto the belief that humans are rational people."
I wish I could go back to living in that world.
Agree on the Qantas comments, can't recall the last time I flew with them, honestly think it was when I was a kid with my folks. They hold no appeal to me as an airline and that's got nothing to do with Joyce or their current covid stance. Usually just a cost thing, they are always one of the most expensive and I never understand why.
As I said, if it comes to the crunch I'll likely get the jab, but am in no rush to do so.
I’m not so concerned at getting the jab myself but I’m struggling with giving it to my 4 year old daughter only because who knows what the long term effects will be , there is a lot of backlash in msm about this decision . Side effects on the two vaccines Australia has purchased are fever and headaches but what about 10 years time as you won’t be getting jabbed once or twice it will be every couple of years. I only need to go to Bali as it will be 2 years in May since the wife has seen family and she’s getting very depressed about it. I can understand a lot of people will be lining up to get vaccinated so if the majority do why do the minority have to as well ( if they want to travel overseas ) as if your vaccinated then what have you got to fear ? For a disease with such a high survival rate compulsory vaccination for travel seems a bit weird but weird has become the new normal I guess.
I love QANTAS but despise its management.
I’ll happily pay for QANTAS as it means employing Australians at a decent living and maintaining the skill required to stop the planes from falling out of the sky.
When I’m on a QANTAS jet and the Aussie pilot welcomes me home as I fly back into Australia it’s a very nice feeling indeed. I wish it was truly our National carrier ( nationalised carrier ! ) and it saddens me to see the direction it’s taken the last couple of decades. It’s ridiculous that we don’t have a National airline when it’s really an essential service.
Management needs booting. Joyce is evil.
it's not like you're being forced to drink alcohol -- you know, something which is toxic to all organs in the human body, causes brain damage, is carcinogenic, physically addictive and causes birth defects.
somehow, all those considerations about alcohol and health are just swept aside when it comes to your desire to get a little buzz on.
but when it comes to doing something that is good for society at large, then wooo nelly, even the whiff of unfounded harm, coming from the tin foil hat wacky conspiratorial brigade, and all of a sudden people are so concerned about their health and won't go near a vaccine.
supafreak. If you are genuine. there is a wealth of quality and robust info about this issue from trusted sources. I’m assuming you are having trouble determining what these are. That’s ok.
Take your concerns to an expert. start with a trusted G.P.
Your concerns are normal. Don’t feel stupid. But equally so listen and remember who you are talking to. It’s not humiliating to be given advise by someone who knows a lot more than you about something. They are not trying to trick you. They are not part of any ‘corrupt’ system. Your facebook friends are not smarter then medical professionals.
Yes I'm aware of pizzagate but I was really wondering how you could equate something as wacky as that with Epstein.
Separately it seems amazingly convenient to the rich and powerful people that associated with Epstein that he committed suicide but presumably that in itself is the subject of a conspiracy theory.
"What have Gates and Hilary done to be in the same sentence as Epstein?"
If you haven't been exposed to far-right conspiracy theories, particularly Pizzagate and the like, then I'm jealous of you. Hold onto the belief that humans are rational people."
I dont know what pizza gate is, but i thought we had already busted this myth that these things are a far right thing?
All this conspiracy theory anti vaxer, anti lockdown, anti Gates etc. stuff is just as popular with the far left crowd especially the new age woke hippy byron types, god its even getting popular with fairly centrist type people.
yeh, you're right indod
and, once again, fascisto, is wrong...
consistency's a virtue, I guess...
heard an interesting convo on rn with some chick who got all caught up in the 'wellness industry'. went full sugar nazi, all in, blogging, legit. writing. ...then got out, now loves sugar, in moderation...
went into great detail how the wellness industry has gone full conspiracy nutter. was good to listen to someone who broke free of the cult before shit went full nutty
ecofascism?
https://gen.medium.com/nazi-hippies-when-the-new-age-and-far-right-overl...
ecofascisto?
in denial?
again....
"All this conspiracy theory anti vaxer, anti lockdown, anti Gates etc. stuff is just as popular with the far left crowd especially the new age woke hippy byron types"
Gotta agree with you Indo, the Regressive Left love that kind of shit.
Edit: Though I don't think they're far left, just the idiot left.
Factotum said it best. The anti-vaxers are certainly far left and far right Indo. The pizza-gate, Hillary head of a paedophile ring, Obama wasn't born in America stuff and 99% of the rest of the conspiracy stuff comes from the far right. It's their breeding ground.
As for vaccine taking and international travel, we should all be hoping that the government insists on anyone coming here to have had a legitimate vaccine. If they do, the need for locals to get vaccinated will be moot provided there isn't another quarantine outbreak.
So nobody will be made to get the vaccination here. If you don't want it, don't get it. If you don't want your 4 year old to have one, don't take them to a doctor to get it.
If you want to travel internationally, get a jab, and again on return if it's a long break out of the country. If you don't want to get a jab, don't travel. Vaccine won't be an eternal barrier, likely to only last a few months on current information.
Sypkan makes a good point though, all the contradictions. Joyce is only looking out for number one and has been from day dot. His early announcements were unverified claims that nobody ever gets sick from airplanes (oh bull!), that the air is refreshed all the time through planes, (and yet somehow when they open the doors of an international flight the ground crew have to stand back as the stench of humanity wafts by.)
There have been many claims from international air travel companies that don't stand up to much scrutiny, particularly in the early phase as they saw their industry about to be shut down.
Personally, I won't fly Qantas if Garuda is available. Cheaper, better meals, more room. They're the national carrier in name only.
Disagree Batfink, anti-vaxxers on the left definitely aren't far left as a rule- the spread to the centre is what's concerning, this steady acceptance of extreme and illogical thought across the political spectrum.
They're not the dumb fuck outliers of 30 years ago, it's mainstream now.
Good article Sypkan obviously Batfink didn't click it
BTW Wasn't David icke involved in the Greens party at a decent level in the UK and he is possibly the worst and well know conspiracy theory guru about.
100% Andy the real worry is the people that are just generally normal every day people who dont have strong left or right views are swallowing some of this stuff, seems to be getting more and more popular too.
I had to get that yellow fever certificate to be able to come home once years ago. This is nothing new
Well after some internet exploring it looks like vaccines for children are along way off , not enough research yet and all trials have been only on adults. Children’s immune systems are different and the leading vaccine organisations agree it’s not safe enough yet to trial on children, this actually puts my mind at ease but Bali is probably of the cards for next year , bummer ,was looking forward to having 60th there.
@sypkan
I’ve 14 years with Qantas, & I agree with you!!
haha shoredump
you make me feel better, I thought I was being too harsh
like others, I avoid them at all costs if I can, I had to use them a bit of late, for work, and due to no other options being available
I find them consistently disappointing
they're absolutely killing the pig on the fifo circuit, ...no wonder the twigster wanted to buy virgin...
ol' joycey gets mixed reviews, some say he saved them, some cannot stand the man
I guess he's a good slasher, which is needed occasionally...
no matter what he's doing, I find him to be quite a repulsive man
"Management needs booting. Joyce is evil.'
evil is a strong word, but that's what he does...
top notch CEO material
PM's Non mandatory = VIP's can trample over 5 tiers of corpses to #1 priority Vax.
Govt re-deploys ADF from charred remains to motorcade VIP Mile High Club Vax.
Meanwhile at the Fire Shelter Mess Hall...
Young Boy : "Mummy will I need a mandate to play in the Qantas Mile High Club?"
Mum! "Shoosh up & spoon down yer emergency ration Covid Flakes son!"
Joyce : "(The proof of the Vax) will likely be stored in a (Digital Passport)."
Joyce : " We're looking at ways to (electronically verify) that people have the (necessary vaccine) for their intended destination, a difficult task."
Crew can read that Joyce wants to rort total Border Control Tests & Quarantine.
Australia is not first to do this & has been the way at several Airports for years.
Reads: Qantas Quarantine Timeshare Labs then a Lone blindfolded ABF stamper.
"Commonpass" app is free (vs) "IATA Travel Pass" app (Not free.)
However each preference shop cart of Team Medics / Tests / Vaxes / Hot Hotels.
You step outside their app & you go nowhere fast!
re: Hawaii "1,000 real Covid test" passengers were locked up & billed by UA.
If you got a Blue Ribbon Covid Test from the Governor General then hide it!
Ya gotta flash $500 fake Qantas Cereal Box coupon Vax! + (Ongoing Bills to pay!)
Joyce's Travel Pass affords Govt to Dump Border Force for Cheap [457] scanners.
IATA (Joyce) : Superfast Tests + slash queues by managing/verifying nation's vaxes.
People gotta read what he is saying...Govt is selling off ABF Quarantine to Qantas
[457] crew scan & onsell your medi app data + more time to repack your drugs!
Syd Airport cocaine imports are at record levels & prices are soaring during Covid.
Joyce's Drug Habit is spilling over into the streets & backing up our wastewater.
If Drug Lord Joyce needs more drug mules, just say so...plenty of Drugseekers.
ABF will simply become the wax dummies that Rubber Stamp yer Sex Slave Dolls.
Your shitty Chem warehouse Vax won't get you into Gate's mile high club.
You need the whole set of IATA Jet Jabz from the app cart..(Special K, Co Co pops...)
Don't fret, Dr Moreau Quicky Lab shuttle will rush yer Qantas $500 Special K Jab.
Choose $800 Quantvax /$500 False-Neg Test /$1500-14 sec Q'tine massage chair
All go Ape over the Monkey Vax...while Qantas sticks it to you every which way.
Good on ya Scomo....
ABF breached Vic Airport & burst NZ bubble so let Drug Lord Joyce run the borders
Drug Lords decide who comes to Australia & which drugs we can shoot up!
https://the conversation.com/covid-19-vaccines-could-go-to-childrenfirst-to-protect-the-elderly-147899
Messed up the URL not sure how to do as copied what was there , but if you can be bothered it’s a interesting read
Trouble brewing with Pfizer Vax..(tbb advises all to read as we're getting this vax)
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/suspicions-grow-nanoparticles-pf...
Standard = 1 case of anaphylaxis in 1m
UK 2 cases of anaphylaxis in 100,000
US 6 cases of anaphylaxis in 272,001 (Note: Forewarning & cases are rising)
This ranks Pfizer Vax 21.5 times more dangerous than Flu Jab.
A past recorded trial on a similar Cancer vax led to ...1 reaction in 2666 +(1 death)
So yes! This may get serious, very serious...read on!
A few weeks back tbb raised the issue of PEG...
Scientists said it was inert...Now 72% have antibodies fighting against PEGS.
Could be as high as 7% will have reactions to leading mRNA base goop.
Never tested for it at all...now they're up shit creek....
Aussies Petrovsky / Swan + Canada' Suzuki said mRNA PEG would bite back!.
Guess What?
Sept 2020 BioNTech "Chick" said to fuck that tacky PEG shit right off!
"Substantial disadvantages concerning activity & safety".
What is happening...
PEG is usually applied as a lotion or swallowed & pooped out but the vax gets in...
Mrs Marsh will explain the sciency bit...
Some of our immune systems register (inert) PEG as virus so fight back.
This means when they get the mRNA vax their body goes ape shit...stand back.
Top scientists..."It's not supposed to do that!"
"It's still good...It's still good!" .
What does it mean?
People are now guinea Pigs & are becoming frightened with each new alarm.
Here's one such alarm that will make you afraid...
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A word of warning from chief Pfizer / Biontech brewer Janos Szebeni...
"mRNA vaccines require 2 shots, and he worries anti -PEG antibodies triggered by the first shot could increase the risk of an allergic reaction to the second or to PEGylated drugs!"
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He's saying that his Vax is coming undone & we're all riding our luck with 2nd jab!
* Talk of screening (Everybody) before a 2nd Shot!
* CDC are warning more to avoid a 2nd shot.
* 2nd shot will require more observation & medical back up.
This will prove very costly by nature as emergency response must be on standby.
Do not believe the Pollies lies about it being safe! Listen to the guy that brewed it!
No! tbb would not joke about this! This is here & now & very real.
The shit has hit the fan & Science is blinded by inert Goop all over their faces!
Roll out will be delayed...
Due to alarming nature of article..tbb cross checked & will supply other links
Note: Nothing is certain so each article will read slightly different.
It is a breaking story but also changing...tbb can say that PEG is a dirty Word.
https://www.salon.com/2020/12/24/allergic-reactions-to-pfizer-vaccine-ma...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/scientists-eye-potential-culprit-for-covid-...
Truck loads of PEG Headlines wrapping Fish'n'chips by the hour...Shh!
Great just what we need anti vaxers will cling to this like crazy and try to scare the public, when we need the take up rate to be as high as possible.
Let's hope there is not much in this and maybe those with previous severe allergic reactions will just have to avoid being vaccinated.
TBB , great work again on the supplied links , on the last link the video which talked about the vaccines are coming and so are the hackers shows me how sick the world is. Criminals taking advantage of any opportunity.
Australia is the lucky country in that we can observe what treatments and vaccines do around the world which are desperate to claw a way out , we aren’t in the emergency situation that UK & USA are facing. The saying fools rush in where angel’s fear to tread comes to mind as does desperate measures for desperate times.
Food for thought.
This doctor contracted ebola virus, survived, but 6 years later still has health issues.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/covid-slow-recovery-long-hauler-co...
We've invested in our and kids health and well-being since they were born and in the decisions we've made have managed to completely escape any dependency on big pharma. Its just such brilliant marketing on their behalf that now its not just them and the government 'selling' it, its your neighbor, friends and family trying to convince you.. And you know what, not once has anyone said it is 'good for you'. All they say is if you have it life goes back to normal and you can travel again yudda yudda... WOW... Its sold on FEAR... Its not going to make you healthier by having it, quite the contrary. Since when has injecting any foreign substance into anything made it healthier? You need to de-tox not re-tox. If you genuinely want to protect yourself and family, the answer is not in an injection.
"Since when has injecting any foreign substance into anything made it healthier? You need to de-tox not re-tox. If you genuinely want to protect yourself and family, the answer is not in an injection."
I can tell you when, when it gives your body a heads up that it needs to learn how to fight a disease or virus.
like it or not vaccinations have saved millions possibly hundreds of millions of lifes through history, the deaths caused by vaccinations on the other hand or even major negative effects on the other hand are extremely rare.
Anyway luckily for your kids they are protected in Australia from most disease that vaccinations can be used against because other people have been vaccinated keeping infection rates low and in some cases non existent, however i hope you don't go traveling to third world countries because if you do the risk for them is much different especially of the beaten track away from a hotel bubble.
The list of eradicated diseases that allows you to make such a statement Shortenism is a long one. Go back 50 or more years ago and I doubt very much you would have the same opinion.
Talk to the older generations that grew up with diseases like polio, rubella, whooping cough etc to get an idea of how limited your view point is
We get that it’s not healthy to inject the vaccine shorty. But it is healthier than the virus.
Don’t worry, we will do the hard work for selfish pricks like you
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?