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“The peanut gallery starts the abuse”. Is this sarcastic? VL and Facto are Two of the most aggressive and abusive trolls I have come across. It amazes me how quick you start slinging the profanities and insults. You should be embarrassed and ashamed of the way you behave on here.
Sickaz,
I've pointed to sources proving blowin is talking out his arse. I've asked for evidence showing that it's possible for blowin to go surfing in Indonesia in 2020. So far, the mob have provided absolutely nothing other than abuse.
Sure I call people idiots, morons, etc, but it's justified and backed up with actual facts.
Ahhhh.... that old chestnut 'etc'..........which nicely hides 'YOU DUMB FUCKER & you dopey fucker.......
We didn't have to go back to far find those expiative gems.....
megzee, I did go on to explain why through.
For anyone interested in Twitter, Facebook, Google election meddling, this is very interesting, and scary in a truly Orwellian way. It’s a long podcast but a good sober take on the state of things in the US by two very smart, highly regarded liberal ex professors.
POLICY COMPARISON
SCIENCE
Trump: Against
Biden: Pro
COVID:
Biden: Against
Trump: Pro
BLACK PEOPLE:
Trump: Against
Biden: Worked for one
NEO-NAZIS:
Biden: Against
Trump: Against "Neo-" part
HOMO SAPIENS
Trump: Against
Biden: Pro
TRUMP
Trump: Pro
Biden: Against— God (@TheTweetOfGod) October 22, 2020
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Hiccups that post is absolute nonsense.
I guess you probably think that if a black person votes for trump “they ain’t black” - to quote Biden.
What a joke. If trump was a white supremist nazi he wouldn’t employ black people, he would round them up into concentration camps, gas and burn the women, elderly and children and work the men to death then melt their gold teeth and send it to Switzerland. I know what Trump said after Charlottesville was not good but that does not by any stretch prove him as a white supremist.
Trump is many things, narcissistic, unpredictable, uncouth - I could keep going, but calling him a Nazi or racist against black people just shows you don’t know what your talking about. It’s the same as accusing someone as being a pedo with no proof, it’s not cool and it definitely isn’t funny.
Black unemployment, as well as most other minorities were never lower than before Covid came and I bet more black Americans will vote for Trump this election than 2016.
Hahahahaha! No proof? Hahahahahaha!
Trump/Hiccup comparison...
FUNNY
Trump - Sometimes
Hiccups - No
INTERNET TROLL
Trump - Yes
Hiccups - Yes
BAD ORANGE HAIR
Trump - Yes
Hiccups - Yes
UNDERSTANDS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
Trump - No
Hiccups - No
OFTEN POSTS EMBARRASSING THINGS ONLINE
Trump - Yes
Hiccups - Yes
You shouldn’t be so quick to write him off - you have more in common than you might have thought.
If you level allegations at someone, like being a Nazi, the impetus to provide proof is on you not the other way round.
"Wow, so blowin makes the crazy claim that he can get to Indonesia this year to go surfing.
First up the Indonesian government has closed its borders to tourists.
Secondly the Australian government isn't letting Australians go on overseas holidays and then there's the problem with getting flights. If he did manage to pull this off, he'd have to do some criminal lying to Home Affairs and the Indonesian authorities. This includes falsifying immigration documents.
Blowin's talking shit again, and his little peanut gallery starts the abuse.
That pretty much sums you blokes up."
Getting a visa to get into Indo with an agent is not that hard, you dont have to lie or break any laws.
Getting let out of Australia would be the hard part for Blowin, i have read some stories of Aussies getting let out that you wouldn't expect, no harm in trying the worst that could happen is be rejected.
You never know the regular long stints he seem to do over there might count for something.
Flights are still going just not many.
Id have a better chance wife and daughter have Indonesian passports, family over there, lived and worked there before (only a year), a business/investment connection, property etc records to prove everything financially etc
Anyway interesting relevant article (someone else posted in another thread awhile back)
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/revealed-the-secret-to-beating-t...
Sickaz. Mate. I don't think that Twitter post from someone pretending to be God for comedic value is really saying that Trump is a literal Nazi, do you? However, the extremely thin skin you keep showing as you defend the indefensible is pretty entertaining. Carry on blowing up.
One thing you can definitely say about Trump is he's a fabricator of the highest order and his fan club are fucking stupid to believe the crap he is spewing at his super spreader rallies.
"In California, you have a special mask. You cannot under any circumstances take it off. You have to eat through the mask. Right, right, Charlie? It's a very complex mechanism. And they don't realize those germs, they go through it like nothing."
I mean how stupid do you have to be to swallow this tripe?
Recommend FiveThirtyEight as a guide to the US election result as they aggregate poll numbers, look at polling methodologies, cover individual states(not just look at misleading national numbers) and include outliers.
I know in 2016 the US opinion polls didn't account for educational status of respondents (particularly with less educated more likely to vote for Trump), but the swing states this election are now tracking in one direction.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-to-make-of-that-new-wisconsin-...
My apolitical 2 cents worth reading san Guine's link above. The majority of Americans are not dumbfuck Trump die hards that you constantly see in the media either clapping for their leader or being taken the piss out of by the other side. This morally corrupt leader and his minions are going to be called out by the silent majority of decent Americans this time around, and he is going to be handed the biggest spanking in American political history.
Trump probably will win via electoral college whether that is a good or bad thing.
Also Trump supporters lie to the polls, again not a good thing but it is what it is.
"Also Trump supporters lie to the polls, again not a good thing but it is what it is."
I wonder if that'll play as big a part as it did last election. From my vantage point 10,000 kms distant it seems there's more ownership of the vote then there was in 2016; people are out and out proud of backing Trump, when before it was a protest vote done on the sly, and hence wasn't caught by the polls.
If I was sober and amongst a crowd of friendly people I’d probably stay quiet rather than mention any preference for Trump over Biden. I already do this with my neighbours who love to start a political rant which I choose to ignore and overlook in order to keep the peace.
I imagine many others would be the same. It’s just not worth opening yourself to the weirdos who would feel no issue with getting up in your grill about the topic when there’s no chance of reasoned discussion or positive outcome to engaging in the first place.
I can't see Trump winning, expect Biden will win quite easily, but if Covid hadn't happened i think it would be a very different story.
And if Biden gets in by this time next year the USA will be in some war somewhere in the middle east again.
Still Trump getting elected has been the best troll ever and been great entertainment.
I reckon the shy vote won't play as big of a role this time because clearly more people are definitely owning it.
but lying to the polls will still be a big player, because for many, its not about being shy, its about an absolute disdain and mistrust of the whole political / media entertainment industrial complex, and an active desire to sabotage it
...and fair enough, when you look at the actions of facebook twitter nyt wapo etc. over recent days, they are censoring and manipulating reality to achieve a political end
any reasonable person would have expected these entities to have learnt something from 2016, ...but no they didn't, ...not even close, ...they just went harder and dumber in an astounding display of hubris...
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/28/with-biden-corruption-democrats-are...
it's not like legitimate questions weren't there to be asked, no matter how left and denialistic your tendencies are...
from vox a year ago
https://www.vox.com/2020-presidential-election/2019/10/16/20916760/joe-b...
its due process that has been corrupted here more so than any of the sleazy deals that some are willing to look away from
the dnc just plainly fucked up, big time
again...
I was thinking along the lines of that 538 article before re. corona etc., but after seeing the chaos and absolute lawlessness erupt again the last few nights, Im thinking... yeh nah...
https://mobile.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1321448930975121408
https://mobile.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1321293098450825217
how's the carpark?
harder to get a park than a melbourne kmart
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1321257409290080261
"And if Biden gets in by this time next year the USA will be in some war somewhere in the middle east again."
But he can beat Trump's record for dropping bombs on Afghanistan?
seriously how can the media totally bury this?
put your tucker hate aside for a moment people, and listen to the guy, the navy seal, or colonel, or whatever he was...
https://mobile.twitter.com/HawleyMO/status/1321269847372779520
looks legit genuine to me
Here you go Stu
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/if-biden-wins-he-will-not-inh...
Like him or loathe him , the US penchant for expansive wars throughout the globe came to a shuttering halt under Trump. First time in decades.
Sypkan - after years and years of provably erroneous “ smoking gun “ headlines about Trump there is not a single mention of the Bobulinski claims in either the SMH or Guardian.
There is no other way to describe it but as partisan political censorship.
It’s first hand accounting from a credible known source about a man who may be president in a weeks time and they are completely ignoring it. Disgraceful stuff.
I agree, but it's not the point I was making.
More so, the people pointing fingers at Barack Obama's bomb count while making no attempt to understand motive.
Strangely, they're silent on Trump murdering innocent Afghanis.
America needs more than a Biden win to regain its legitimacy
Even if Joe Biden manages to pull off the giant win needed to snuff Trump, the question of the US' lost legitimacy will remain unresolved.
GUY RUNDLE, OCT 29, 2020
With less than a week to go until polling day, there is the comforting illusion that, one way or another, the whole US election thing will be over in one long evening.
But of course everyone knows that it’s not going to happen that way. Barring a Biden victory of Brobdingnagian proportions across the board based on non-mail ballots only, it’s going to be an unholy mess.
The almost perfect storm has descended upon the American polity: an electoral system designed in the 18th century and not much modified since, ramshackle at the best of times, is now going head-to-head with an out of control pandemic, a mendacious president, a gangster administration and a stacked Supreme Court. What else could possibly go wrong?
Oh yeah, it’s legal to open carry guns into a polling place. Thank God there’s nothing aggravating about voting in the US, like an hours-long wait in line, with the distribution of food and water prohibited. Last, best hope of man, everybody.
There’s no even-handedness about this. Democrat-run states may gerrymander their districts — they have to, for parity — but it’s Republican states that suppress the voter rolls with lifetime voting bans on felons, removal of polling places and understaffing of those that remain. Now, with the universal right to mail-in ballots due to COVID-19, the brand-spanking new Supreme Court has ruled, on a Wisconsin case, that mail-in ballots stamped as mailed before polling day but arriving after will not be counted.
This, after the Trump-installed head of the US Postal Service initiated a campaign of withdrawing hundreds of mail sorting machines from service before workers refused to co-operate.
With state and county government determining most election conduct, the lawsuits are running wild. There are more than 300 currently underway, a large proportion focused on the key swing states of Florida and Pennsylvania. Should there be challenges to the result in these or other swing states, it seems likely that these will be the cases which are rapidly shuffled up to the Supreme Court — which has complete discretion to take up whichever appeals it likes.
In the Wisconsin decision Justice Brett Kavanaugh affirmed both the notion of “stopping the count” on election night or soon after to avoid “confusion”, and the supremacy of state government election codes over any challenge to their constitutionality by state courts. Since most of these governments are Republican, well.
The stage is thus set for a multi-directional car crash: hundreds of thousands of rejected votes, stand-offs at polling places, queues so long people are denied the chance to vote, followed by razor-thin state results which might be reversed into a final result in which an electoral college majority diverges from an overall majority.
This would test the system to close to breaking point beyond anything of recent decades. It’s an extraordinary situation, arrived at in no more than a decade and a half from a point of relative stability and consensus. It’s a product of the “wrecking crew” approach to government by Republicans — to do government so badly that all consensual norms collapse and power becomes sheer exercise of force.
This has relied on the establishment nature of mainstream progressivism, and its leaders’ ultimate commitment to order and legitimacy over success — above all in Al Gore’s capitulation to George W Bush in 2000. But that was then.
After years and decades of the slow remorseless advance of inequality, indeed of the increasing impossibility of life for many, of the steady fusion of capital and tech into monopoly dominance, of opportunistic captures such as the new 6-3 conservative constellation of the Supreme Court, in an era of Black Lives Matter and much more, there is far less likelihood of accepting such.
Would a real double cross of the popular vote push people beyond all restraint? For all the swagger of gun totin’ militias, it’s far more likely to be progressives who could field a mass movement against a barely legal powergrab.
None of it may happen this way, but it’s the logical conclusion to a process of power that is many decades old, and was initially projected outwards onto client states as “exported democracy” — manufactured elites, a dodged-up process, a systemic exclusion of progressive change.
That process of masking power with pseudo-democracy has become inwardly folded, as America lost its projective power. The USA has become its own client state — which accounts for the somewhat uncanny nature of the events, the simultaneous feeling of reality and unreality.
Maybe that will all end next week. But the questions of legitimacy will not be resolved by a Biden victory. A Biden era might be far more interesting than many are counting on.
And whether it is or not, whatever happens, there will be at least another two and a half months of the Trump administration. During which he could do anything…
US Electoral Count is well under way...& well known to both parties
Most of US has already Voted & most pre votes are already counted.
Road to the Whitehouse (*** Must do Tour Dates) credit to Ballotpedia.
https://ballotpedia.org/When_states_can_begin_processing_and_counting_ab...
21st Sept + ( Counting upon receipt or non specified)
*Colorado, Columbia, **Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, *Indiana, Kansas, *Kentucky, *Louisiana, *Maryland, *Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, ***New Jersey, ***North Carolina, ***Ohio, *Oklahoma, South Dakota, **Tennessee, ***Texas, Utah, **Virginia, **Washington
5th Oct
***California
7th Oct (or) 2 days after receipt.
***IIIinois
12th Oct
***Florida,
20th Oct
*Arizona, New Mexico, Rhode Island,
26th Oct
Nebraska
27th Oct
Alaska, *Arizona, Connecticut, *Minnesota, *Oregon,
29th Oct
**Missouri
30th Oct
Delaware, Maine
2nd Nov
*Iowa, ***Michigan, North Dakota, *South Carolina, Vermont
3rd Nov
*Alabama, Mississippi, New Hampshire, ***New York, ***Pennsylvania, West Virginia, *Wisconsin, Wyoming.
[Factcheck] Blue Wave
(Red must push vote count buttons to stem the tide of Blue Postal Votes)
Red has 1,000 electoral lawyers
50,000 vote marshals + No ballot judge.. (Default Emergency Govt upper hand!)
Every US library book out on loan.
Stu....that was just more TDS garbage . According to the author, Biden and the Democrats have been on the side of good since day one. No mention of the eight years of structurally engineered societal decline during the Obama / Biden years which was the driving force towards Trump attaining power.
It’s just a historical rewrite that the US lost its way and only a return to the political operators who initially destroyed the place can save the day.
The best analogy I can think of is that Trump is an unsightly and perhaps infected scab which grew over the gaping wound inflicted by the treachery of the preceding governments . Yet now commenters such as the one above want to claim that it’s Trump himself who’s the majority cause of the situation in the USA . They’d have you believe that the arrival of Trump was a major turning point in US politics rather than just a continuation of the sabotage of the US wrought by the globalist neoliberals.
The author pays lip service to the factors propelling the US to its doom but makes no connection between these factors and their historical enablers and agents of enhancement of which Joe Biden is no minor bit player but the second in command for the most recent atrocities committed against the US people.
There’s no even handedness in the article. No mention of Biden’s culpability , just more of the same juvenile Orange Man Bad dribble you’d get from the less astute on here.
Biden is painted as both saviour and victim in the stirring of US insurrection and anarchy which may well result in serious civil unrest. This perspective is stupidly partisan and not worthy of much attention.
The other thing which deserves a mention is the unrelenting mantra that Trump won’t win the popular vote . What is the basis for this ? Is it because the polls claim this to be so , despite the polls having the demonstrable historical accuracy as the reading of tea leaves when it comes to predicting a winner of an election ?
Time after time polls fail utterly yet next time around they are being paraded as likely fore tellers of any result. Sure , this time around the polls are presented with an asterix of caveat but they deserve to be flat out dismissed due to their record of failure.
The other reason people assume that Trump won’t win the popular vote is because of COVID . Maybe the American people are smart enough to see through the Democrats smear campaign. Despite the continued lying by the Democrats about the severity of the effect of the virus on the US population, I’d say that the civil strife affected by the BLM movement rates as just important in voter’s minds.
This civil unrest has been politicised from day one and I don’t believe that this has worked in the favour of the Democrats .
The Democrats disingenuous encouragement of the very real violence which has been unleashed across America by the various fascist fake left movements has certainly put the threat of the opposing pro-American militias into perspective. This may count for something at the ballot box.
Nah, that's you with the blinkers on. Crikey and Guy Rundle have been as partial as any news outlet here or in America when it comes to covering US politics.
I mean, take a look at what you just wrote: that the decline started when Obama got in power. Eight years of Republicans who spent $17 trillion on war, who deregulated the finance industry setting the fuse for the GFC, and who kept control of the senate through Obama's years with, in the words of Mitch McConnell, opposing everything that Obama fought for.
But yeah, Obama did it all.
Rundle is impartial ?
Please point me to the part of the article where there’s the equivalent of the line “ Two and a half months left of Trump in which he could do anything “. Where’s the fear that Biden may “ do anything “ in his 48 month term if elected ?
Of course Obama didn’t do it all .....but he did a fucken lot of it with Joe Biden as his second in command.
If you don’t think the two people in charge for the eight years preceding Trump weren’t at least as culpable as anyone then I don’t know how else to put it. They didn’t start the fire but they sure as fuck made certain it was burning so bright that millions upon millions of people registered a protest vote with a reality TV stooge.
This culpability was compounded because of the fact that they sold themselves to the electorate as the SAVIOURS from the same shit they heaped in spades.
Remember Obama being all about hope and change.....?
Yet now we are supposed to believe that the lying dog who oversaw the same bullshit last time is going to save the world .
Voting Biden back In because of Trump is exactly the same as voting Tony Abbott back in because of Scomo.
A fact that your mate Rundle manages to comprehensively over look.
Fucking hell mate, where to start...?
Trump has everyone guessing, even his own party about what he'll do in the interim period. Not answering it when explicitly asked prolly didn't help. Rundle didn't fabricate a thing there. Maybe you're not across all the news?
There are many threads, but arguably the most destructive pull on America has been their Middle East wars. They've not just cost the nation financially but they diverted them from east Asia. Obama didn't start them.
Show me a political campaign anywhere that doesn't sell hope as a strategy; the illusion that the world will improve under X administration. No, Obama didn't deliver but to reserve special enmity for him because he sold hope is the sort of petulance I'd expect from a tweenager.
I think the special enmity is actually the result of the rain water streaming across the ceiling and down the interior walls of both stories of my house from the intense as fuck storm we just wore.
Fully sick
Meanwhile the Oath Keepers leader says his militia will be at polling booths ready to kill democrats, and the membership will be standing by awaiting orders from Donald Trump after the count.
Blowin’s boys are on the case.
Biden foreign policy record is terrible, Trump has been pretty solid on foreign policy, depending how you feel about China. I personally think this is one of his few redeeming features.
The brokering of peace between Israel and the UAE is monumental and also very clever strategically by solidifying (or starting) relationships between it’s anti Iranian allies in the Middle East, peacefully. Jared Kushner played a big part in this deal. Also a similar deal was struck with Sudan.
Iran previously had played the US for fools and been paid handsomely for it, by the US in an attempt to make them stop.
Obama invaded Libya.
Man Blowin, it is just diabolical how thoroughly you've bought into the narrative of the far right in the US. I just struggle to believe how you've convinced yourself to buy into this to the depth that you seem to have done.
Trump was definitely a turning point in US politics. Sure he didn't start the rot, far from it (personally I'd pin a lot of that on Reagan) but he has - possibly unwittingly - chosen to exploit it for personal gain. Where previous leaders, from either party, have worked to calm tensions and take a somewhat measured domestic approach, Trump has done the opposite.
You decry the media for inaccurate coverage, yet toe the far right narrative wholeheartedly and will countenance no deviation and accept no middle ground on the matter. Why do you just accept this without critical examination? Is your hatred for this caricature of 'the left' or the Democrats, or who ever it is exactly so strong that you've got to see everything in black and white? It's all simple answers to complex questions it seems.
I genuinely can't get a bead on how you can hold the views that you claim to hold - and on occasion seem to be able to convey very articulately - yet be this invested in Trump and right wing narrative surrounding him. Ditto for sypkan, bar the articulate communication.
Also as mentioned by Blowin, the Bobulinksi allegations against the Biden’s, for which there is credible evidence should be mainstream news. The evidence of the suppression of this story by big tech companies is very strong. The CEO’s for big tech trio Twitter, Facebook and Google CEO’s answered to a senate commerce committee where Jack Dorsey, getting pressed by GOP senator Ted Cruz, admitted Twitter had made an error blocking 2 NY post article’s about Joe Biden’s alleged links to international corruption and influence peddling and had recently reversed its decision. The NY post is the US fourth largest, and oldest newspaper. It is also a Newscorp paper which is obviously not a supporter of the DNC.
Bret Weinstein, a lifelong member of the DNC has released very strong evidence that his recent arbitrary and entirely unexplained suspension from Facebook was politically motivated by Facebook staff with ties to high level DNC staff, Nancy Pelosi amongst others. Weinstein has a very popular podcast ‘The Darkhorse Podcast’ where he has called out parts of the DNC establishment.
Any all gonna help people riot if it’s a tight result.
Sickaz, how do you feel Trumps actions on the WHO, NATO and the Paris agreement (to name just a few) fit in with your assessment that he's been pretty solid.
Re the deal between the UAE and Isreal, I don't really see how it is significant (granted my knowledge of it is limited), I mean is anything going to change really, except a few flight paths will be altered. It's not like the UAE and Israel were openly hostile to each other, all the surrounding countries know that Israel is all but untouchable. As you said, I see this as a move to isolate Iran, this is not a move that will promote peace at all. This deal does nothing towards alleviating one of the worst and longest lasting conflicts of the region, being the conflict between Israel and Palestine.
Trumps withdrawal from the Iran nuclear thing was a truly awful move too.
I feel same about you jq
no offence, but you appear to have a distinct lack of curiousity and what seems to be an unbelievable level of naivete
all that's fine, until you are the one that starts labelling others as being full of hate and bias... its bizarre...
its beyond difficult to believe you actually believe what you are writing, you just come across as yet another constant campaigner...
which is fine too... I guess...
but some of you guys really need to disclose your affiliations, its head bangingly frustrating dealing with the levels of obstinance on here sometimes
(currently thinking of two others more so than you)
speaking of bias and naivete...
that's some next level shit and miserableness you just wrote about the ME peace deal
Sypkan, I think you are assigning views and positions to me which I quite plainly have never pushed or promoted. Remember, my disagreement with your positions does not indicate my support for the opposite position.
What you call a lack of curiousity, I'd call a sensible decision not to go 'down the rabbit hole'. I'd suggest that yourself and Blowin have done this, and have been hoodwinked to some degree by it. Presuming that when you describe Trumps impeachment as 'the russia hoax' you mean it and you aren't just trying to stir people up, that's not curiousity, I'm sorry, but that is by no stretch a reasonable conclusion to reach. It's things like this that lead me to think you guys have just been led astray and are not looking at things critically, just jumping on anything that piles it on to those that you hate. With all your questioning of the media and their portrayal of events, how can you follow this? Do you not question their motives, the positions they are pushing and why they are doing so? Especially when they don't stand up to even modest scrutiny.
Sypkan, I'll often post facetious things or just poke a bit of fun or even stir the pot if it looks ripe, but if I'm writing a serious post, I believe everything I'm writing. I don't come to my conclusions lightly and my opinions are genuinely held and - as I think you'll recognise - I'm more than willing to back them up. If you wanna pull apart things I've posted, I'm all for it, but only if you can keep it reasonable, I'd prefer not to sling insults around. And yeah, I realise I've been guilty of that too (but hey, let he who is without sin cast the first stone) but I hold my views strongly and I'll back them passionately.
Sypkan, making the claim that I'm a political campaigner or have political affiliations is a cop out and you know it. Don't try and use that to delegitimise my positions and arguments.
you are totally reasonable jq, and so are your positions, but they are almost word for word legacy media bullshit, you seem a bit smarter than that...
im sorry but this everything is a conspiracy / rabbit hole bullshit is gross manipulations from the media, they're peddling more conspiracies than anyone
I usually check stuff out obsessively before I post stuff, I can be flippant too, but if Im serious about something I have usually read and heard it at various sources. and tbh, most of my stuff comes from the abc, rn, etc. whilst they can be guilty of bullshit too - usually through ommision - there's a couple of programs of theirs I catch that tend to give a much more balanced perspective
Im not trying to delegitimise your arguments at all, I don't think you're a campaigner, I was just saying you seem like one, because you are quite obtuse to new information, and behave like two nutjobs on here that drive me crazy, as they vehemently deny everything
and blindboy isn't one of them!
good on you for keeping it civil, ...now can you please school up some of your mates... on civility that is
I'm not saying everything is a conspiracy / rabbit hole Sypkan. But, for example, the russia hoax stuff totally is. I mean, you realise this is loaded language that's used with the intent to elicit a certain response, both from supporters and detractors. Same as using the phrase 'Trump derangement syndrome' and comes from the same place that thinks the Democrats are socialists...
I'd also suggest some of the stuff that yourself, Blowin, Sickaz and Indo have gone on about regarding the protests and riots is, but I'm not sure I've got the energy to rip the lid off that particular can at the moment, but believe me, I wanna.
mate russia is the biggest of big arse scapegoats going, concocted and magnified to deflect from dnc corruption and malfeasance
it's hilary's excuse for being a terrible candidate, and person, ...or developing into one anway...
look into it mate, there's smoke, there's fire. but its more a smouldering pile of matchsticks than a raging bushfire
tds was a cruel joke, born of a bunch of crybabies screaming at the sky four years ago
but it has legitimately developed into a thing. where here we are four years later, where every single issue is viewed through a trump good/bad reactionary lens
systems overloaded, new info does not compute, as processor has no available space...
not even buffering
...constant anxiety, constantly heightened, triggered you might say...
just where trump wants you
I don't think the Russian stuff was concocted, there was definitely foul play there. It is without doubt that Russia did intend to influence the US election and that that interference was with the goal of helping Trump win.
If Trumps campaign as a whole knowingly participated is up for debate, and to my mind definitely unproven. Although there is evidence that some members participated or sought to do so, I'm unaware of any evidence that Trump himself was involved. It has also got to be acknowledged that many of those that were under investigation - including Trump himself - did everything they could to obfuscate and obstruct the investigation as such it is more likely than not that the connections and malfeasance run deeper than was discovered.
My opinion on it - well I really doubt Trump himself was involved, I'm sure the people running his campaign would know well enough to insulate him from this sort of conduct. My suspicions are that the misdeeds are more likely to stem from a poor understanding of the law than serious attempts to undermine democracy. To my mind the way Trump behaved, attempted to and indeed succeeded in obstructing the investigation was grounds sufficient for impeachment, this is a such a grievous undermining of the important checks and balances on power.
well you're a kinder man than me... I'd say trump was definitely involved, ...not involved as such, but aware. and there would have definitely been 'conversations' that were had
but just like biden, there's no 'evidence' for a conviction, such is the nature of things...
of course russia tried to influence the election, possibly for trump, but by all accounts, they were more interested in chaos than trump. even they didn't dare dream of a trump victory...
they're spoiling for trump now, just as china is spoiling for biden, but we don't hear about that at all. we now don't hear about a lot of things...
this is the hypocrisy that burns
along with the hypocrisy that the obama hilary biden machine has been doing the same dastardly deeds in the middle east for decades, and has made rather a dog's breakfast of things
Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank