COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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truebluebasher commented Thursday, 2 Jul 2020 at 10:34pm

Victorian roadside Killer Virus Testing (A Team)
https://www.straitstimes.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_pictrure...

Vic's Thunderbird 2 - Herb Testing Fleet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QldmdBBod8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZqiug--meE

Vics need a bit of sandpaper to square up the Test Series.
Simply re- label Coronavirus a drug, then Govt would get serious!

So what's really going on! We all know Vic Health is outta the frame...

Just so you know, these Vic tests are being run by +Hot Doc (Ancestry.com)
Firstly PM is insisting all should be tested.
Note they're trialling Spit tests! Despite their poor viral accuracy 87%
It's the only way that Ancestry.com can get the Kidz DNA...
+Hot Doc will actually run any Tests ...Nasal / Throat / Saliva...
Whatever it takes to get your DNA. They don't care for your Coronavirus thingy.
Partly the reason why Vics are dropping like flies...Just the DNA thanx.

+Hot Doc is not Vic Health & Test gives Ancestry.com access to "My Health Records"
Recall Lib Govt swore Covid Tests & My Health are Secure...They're anything but!
The testing standard is poor because Ancestry.com is not a Health Provider.
They're simply Scomo's favoured on sell client for Pandemic services.
See for yourselves...
https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/coronavirus-covid-19-...
Now Click Victoria....
https://www.hotdoc.com.au/search?in=melbourne-VIC-3000&purpose=respirato...
[ +Hot Doc ] Scroll down to he bottom....Australian owned & operated...2020 Hot Doc.
[ +Hot Doc ] is bankrolled by Tim Draper- Ancestry.com / Bitcoin (see: recent OZ Post deal)
Tim's Oz [Right Click Capital] > $5m-$7m foundation Hub of Oz [+Hot Doc] Covid/DNA
Note All States must use PM's Covid approved [+Hot Doc] Pathology services.
https://www.hotdoc.com.au/practices/blog/department-of-health-2020/

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Blowin commented Thursday, 2 Jul 2020 at 9:57pm

Dig on TBB !

Unearth those gold nuggets.

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views from the ... commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 7:06am

Well then VL, I rest my case.
Actually the ferries are the go!
And theres a shite load more freedom around here ;-)

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Blowin commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 8:26am
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Blowin commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 8:35am

Anyone else appreciating the perfect microcosm of modern neoliberalism displayed by the way the Victorian economy is once more sidelined to the tune of billions of dollars, due to the use of scabby, underpaid labour hire companies gifted a “ jobs for the boys “ government contract ?

Save $5/hour more on getting security who give a fuck / can speak English / Can be trusted

Or

Spend millions on more lockdowns , police enforcement and drone spy flights ?

Easy answer to that one !

Go Australia !

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Vic Local commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 8:40am

So you’re working on the ferries now views from the cockpit? Does that make you Captain Pugwash, Seaman Steynes or Roger the Cabin Boy?

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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zenagain commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 9:53am

I'd like to think of SN as the thinking persons surf-related website.

Is it me or we in the midst of a particularly boring period of tit for tat?

Be alright if it was funny, but it's not even that.

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sypkan commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 10:08am

"Anyone else appreciating the perfect microcosm of modern neoliberalism displayed by the way the Victorian economy is once more sidelined to the tune of billions of dollars, due to the use of scabby, underpaid labour hire companies gifted a “ jobs for the boys “ government contract ?

Save $5/hour more on getting security who give a fuck / can speak English / Can be trusted

Or

Spend millions on more lockdowns , police enforcement and drone spy flights ?

Easy answer to that one !

Go Australia !"

yes I did notice that

from a 'labour' labor government no less...

the good guys, ...the one's to trust, looking after workers, health and jobs, ....as opposed to those other guys...

apparently

shame shame shame, again again again, ....dan dan dan

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garyg1412 commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 11:14am

Yeah Zen it's like being tortured in the toilet bowl.

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 7:52pm

Thanx Blowin...think tbb just dug a hole to China & back...(Really!)

Please pardon the rough & ready Covid -19 account as it's news to me too.

Covid-19 Testing is fastracking the Abolition of Medicare / Obamacare...

Rupert Murdoch's tell all to Kochie.
Wish #1 Abolish Taxes
Wish #2 Abolition of Medicare
Wish #3 Oppose any Health System that finances Abortions

US Version...
Henry Kissinger, George Schultz, Sec' Defence, Wallmart, Murdoch, Ancestry.com...
All invest in non governmental corporate DNA / blood harvesting of souls.
This is the cheapest & easiest way to gain DNA records of all world citizens.
More importantly by Exploiting (My Gen / My Blood banks) Bypasses Obamacare.

All invested in Theranos (Non Pathological Portable 'Blood Prick' / DNA).
All claim it's for My Gen ownership of blood results...(That's the Mobster's ruse!)
Random little Prick opens Govt Patient Files to 'cross reference' for Health Plans.

Portable Analyzers were a dud & Comp used standard gear & got sued for fraud.
Rupert blew a cool $164m + Ancestry crossed ocean to now feast on our blood.

Now! Before you think Rupert was mad...
2020 Only Australian Emergency patients (3-6%) received Fed /State Health Care.
Most patients were/are serviced by Privately owned GP's / Dentists / Chemists...
So in all fairness give Rupert some credit for helping Scomo obliterate Medicare.

2019 (Govt/State Medicare Services) > 2020 Private Health Services.
New providers have no qualifications & do away with Results, Studies, Peer Papers.

*{ Medicare Card } Was replaced by Forehead Zappers. (No Telehealth swipe)
It is slowly coming back into service thru dodgy add on card readers.

*[ Telehealth ] Not Medicare, Not Telstra (Govt funded $150m Lib CEO's Tea Party).
This service was mandatory mid crisis & still is for most "My Health" practices.
Prescriptions are faxed/copied by 40 Telehealth mobs to Chemist (Not by Patient).
All Mobsters are free to access "My Health Records" & Your Doctors Conversations.
(China boasts 30% of Medicare Pathology Tests before & thru coronavirus)

*COVIDSafe App (100% Virus Testing is thru +Hot Doc > Ancestry.com/Bitcoin)
This would be #1 reason State Public Health Units avoid COVIDSafe tracing app.
To date! States all say 0% trace...(About 30 bites but all were covered by teams)
US firms attached to Amazon (about 80) share app info on friends / pings / results.
Equal amount that access Freedom of Info on Regular Basis (Unis,Councils etc)
This dud app no doubt led to Govt [ Mandatory Testing ] to reconfigure set quota.

*Australian Entry (Mandatory DNA Swabs thru +Hot Doc > Ancestry.com/Bitcoin)
Untrained hands probing little Kid's mouths. (Maybe Deepest Blue Card for that?)
PM: "Kids refusing Pedos DNA probe will be jailed for 24 days."
NSW introduced the extra 10 days quarantine as a threat to get Kids to Man Up.
Sun' 28th Vic [ Spit Vile ] Unlocks Kid's DNA + saves on extra 10 days Hotel Costs.
(Vic / NSW pays for Hospital Quarantine) v (Qld no swab > extra 10 days = $2,000)
Note: [ Vic's Spit Vile ] Also saves on Protective Clothing & cheaper pop-up ring ins.
Swabs / Nasal Flossing / Spit Collection gets crooks into My Health-DNA bank.

*COVID-19 (Vaccine Trial) is thru Rupert Murdoch's 'Brace' blood harvesting
Rupert is infecting 10,000 Govt health nurses to wipe out Medicare. (His Words)
https://www.mcri.edu.au/BRACE

Public vs Private Fiasco
Private wanted in on the Covid Patients...only they weren't equipped.
WA Artania Passengers were carted from one hotel to another.
1st Private Hospital, then another & another & yet another...
Private Staff weren't as keen & demanded a mask or shower cap or something.
One Patient died then 81 cases followed from Artania alone.
Health Minister Greg Hunt championed the (World 1st Health Union a success)

Miners + (Important DNA test info)
Some Qld / SA use State Testing- others WA "Sonic" Goldschmidt. $10 billionaire
9 months ago tbb's DNA Test was sent to WA (Doc: You'll wait years for a result!)
Oz #1 Sonic WA DNA goes to Germany (Bioscientia) soon (Sonic) DNA in USA
East Coast Oz [ DNA ] blood goes to WA > Germany > WA > Oz East Coast.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/more-aussies-to-get-access-to-path-tests
Interesting that last 5 years all are investing huge in [ DNA ].

(Private Health Commissioner)
Twiggy: Lib MP ? [Class Warfare Card] (Prohibits 1st Nation right to self provide.)
April -Twiggy buys 90 tonnes of Chinese (BGI) Covid gear / ventilators / meds?

States have #1 Public Health Units & Testing.(Never asked for new tech or Apps).

April Twiggy Pays $325m (Repaid by Govt) for 10 million (BGI) Covid Test Kits.
6 Chinese set up 11 machines around the Country for 2020 Oz Covid testing
Rumours are these $325m (Kits are defective)...30% accuracy.
Some Euro Standard Parts were dumped > Aussie parts replaced for compliance.
To date only Victoria will risk using Twiggy's Govt $325m (BGI) RT-PCR Toy Set.
It is possible that Govt permitted Private "+Hot Doc" to set up National Vic Base?

Lib Govt Ministerial Covid Rorts...
Fed Govt buys 500,000 Covid-19 anti-body test kits from Promedical.
Company is run by convicted rapist & ex business partner of Stuart Robert
Promedical was fined by TGA for not having approval to sell medical items.

* Prisons (Public & Private) Scomo's Hillsong & God Squad run Psych'/ Blood Tests.
Harnessed for Australian President Brian's Pentecostal Blood Lust Sacrifices.

Non Govt Health "Security" [ DNA Swabs ]
*Police : Roadside Drug Test Swabs are checked against [ DNA Base ]
*Festivals :Goodlife Under 18 [ DNA Swabs ] Entry/Random+(1 in 10 Kiddie swabs)
Gudinski [DNA Tests] Are not a Fed Health Study....Pedo swabs are the new norm.
https://goodlifepresents.com.au/id-info/

Rules are changing...(Many here ask for Big Brother examples) Here Today!
Dismantling of Medicare > $1billion Lib mate's rorts on dodgy useless medical gear.
Qld: "Mandatory Child DNA Probe by Pedos or Child pays $780 for 24 days Lockdown.
Not sure what crew regards as suss...but tbb reckons we stand & fight this evil.

PS: Qld Child Prisoners in Isolation get paid $120 for 22hrs / 10 days max + free Pool
4 corners condemn the Qld Child prisons ...Qld - Child Pays Quarantine episode?

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Vic Local commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 6:38pm

I'm going to put it out there. Victoria's high infection numbers are mainly due to highly unprofessional security guards at quarantine hotels.
Getting this outbreak under control is made so much more difficult due to the completely useless Covidsafe App and the fact 10,000 people have refused testing. Many of the refuseniks are moronic conspiracy theorists.
That's why there should be zero tolerance for celebrity chefs and instagram influencers who push bullshit theories about the virus. They need to be called out for their dangerous idiocy.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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sypkan commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 7:15pm

"I'm going to put it out there. Victoria's high infection numbers are mainly due to highly unprofessional security guards at quarantine hotels."

so you are saying that dan andrews totally fucked up engaging the neoliberal version of rent-a-cop?

...rather than taking the quarratine process seriously, and engaging the military or health department, to give the process the means and knowledge for it to be done properly, as it needs to be done, as we are seeing, and as suggested by a commentor on abc yesterday...

"Getting this outbreak under control is made so much more difficult due to the completely useless Covidsafe App and the fact 10,000 people have refused testing. Many of the refuseniks are moronic conspiracy theorists."

'many' may be conspiracy theorists, but most definitely not all, not even close actually. if we're gonna point fingers at cohorts, you could at least look at the top 3 cohorts of refusers say... and break it down for us... for context and shit...

but nah, that'd be too uncomfortable

covidsafe, what a fucken joke, how much did we pay for that farce?

bezo's is laughing, ...again...

(not so sure about blindone...)

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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 7:15pm

ha ha how on earth does the app make things more difficult?

What a silly thing to say, It's only an additional tool, it can only help.

Only one reason it hasn't been of much use is because it only registers those using it and only registers those that have been in contact with you for from memory 20 minutes or was it 30minutes?

As we pointed out when it was released in the Covid app thread, that is pretty silly, it should register every person you come in contact with be it one second or hours.

Only takes a few seconds to spread the virus, etc sharing a cigarette lighter for instance

I wonder if they can readjust it to work for a much shorter time span?

You would expect so, but the legal things might be the hurdle (conditions people signed up for)

Please Stunet give me an ignore button for Talking Turkey, Shatners Basoon, Dale Cooper, Factotum, Pupkin, and any new fake profile he decides to create.

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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 7:19pm

I totally wouldn't underestimate the allowing the protest factor.

Pretty hard to take any restrictions seriously when people saw tens of thousands of people out on the streets, when a few weeks earlier we couldn't even go fishing on a beach alone.

Just makes a complete mockery of things, people are just like fuck if those cunts can do what they like so can I.

Please Stunet give me an ignore button for Talking Turkey, Shatners Basoon, Dale Cooper, Factotum, Pupkin, and any new fake profile he decides to create.

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sypkan commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 7:22pm

15 mins indo

that was the least of its failures actually

software issues, on off, on off, again, operating without permissions, operating before background workers in place, operating at 15% capacity or something on iphones...

its true value wasn't even touched on, not even looked at actually

a masterstroke of a fuck up

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indo-dreaming commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 7:34pm

14:59 too long..

I don't see it as a fuck up, i just see it as the first phase in an evolution, you have to start somewhere if we don't get a vaccine, only realistic way to control things is with an app.

It's just crazy to have to try to contact trace manually, no body can remember everywhere they have been and who they might have come in contact with.

Please Stunet give me an ignore button for Talking Turkey, Shatners Basoon, Dale Cooper, Factotum, Pupkin, and any new fake profile he decides to create.

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Vic Local commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 8:14pm

"ha ha how on earth does the app make things more difficult?"
Time is critical in fighting this virus. A hell of a lot of time, training, and resources were pumped into the app and it's failed spectacularly. The app was supposed to be crucial in the track and trace phase. Authorities are now scrambling to find a new system, and they now have to go to each case and work out who they may have come into contact with. That takes time and there are gaps.
Kiwis were told to keep a diary of contacts. We trusted the app. Guess who can track and trace better.
The utter failure of the covidsafe app is a major problem. Having said that, the state government has had a shocker trusting a security company with quarantine. The security company has also put it's staff and general public at risk, and if the accusations of ghosting are true, they've ripped off the taxpayer too.
My livelihood relies on the economy reopening, so I'm livid at the 10,000 selfish fuckers refusing to get tested. Bunch of arsewipe Karens and kens who think they are more important than everyone else.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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sypkan commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 8:28pm

what the fuck are you doing victoria?

cannot even supply your doorknockers doorknocking 'hotspots' with masks.... all kinds of dumb going in...

6 months into this virus thingy, and its still amateaur hour in victoria

get ya shit together, ffs

ttps://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/melbourne-coronavirus-hot-sp...

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zenagain commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 8:32pm

I hear you Vic on that one.

This fucking virus has cost me literally tens of thousands of dollars. I've had to pay people out of my own savings to keep them going. Luckily, I'm resuming some semblance of normality albeit with a pretty big drop in revenue.

But, I'm kinda lucky. Touch wood, I've weathered this storm quite well. I'm just pissed I'm entitled to 'borrow' the money I've lost at no interest and with an eight year grace period before i have to pay it back. Why on earth would I borrow back money I never received in the first place?

Jeez I can't wait till this scourge disappears so we can move on to the next calamity.

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Vic Local commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 8:44pm

I wouldn't get so high and mighty Sypkan. I've been in NSW for work (alone with very strict social distancing) and what I saw north of the border is frightening. Cafes packed, parties on the beach, bars busy.
It won't be a surprise if numbers spike up there too. Individual responsibility is just not coming into too many people's thinking.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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truebluebasher commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 8:50pm

So this app recalls every viral person at the footy who touched ....
Seats, Handrails, Beer counter, Pie van, Sauce bottle, toilet door, dunny seat-button ....we're up to 300,000 cross Covid slimy touches in just 3hrs.
The app pings 150 in yer break, but records those in next cubicles, maybe! Huh!
But app failed to detect 299,850 covid Hot Spot cross touches over 3 hours .
The Security cams zooms in on Hot Spots to clock 250,000 but won't do the dunny.
PM says you need app for the Footy...what idiot believes that, with .000299 hit rate.

Fed Govt : "COVIDSafe App don't work."
Tech Guys : "The App don't work" (1 in 4 times at best)
Singapore : The full gutsy non watered down version "(Don't work) We Chucked it!"
Public Health Units : "Don't use it or need it ...not one trace."
States (Promos): Only one brief promo by SA (once)
Hospitals: Biggest Public / Private - "No COVIDSafe App Promo here thanx!"
GP : "No COVIDSafe App Promo here thanx!"

Now, if any here know how to do the impossible and make an app, any app useful.
Don't tell us, hotline the experts...until then accept our Govt's verdict."It don't work!"
Even if you could get an app to work! Lib's 'tech' train wrecks has run outta track.
Oz States gave up on it & are designing another more useless app as we speak.
https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/491794?page=12

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sypkan commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 10:02pm

its not about high and mighty, its about getting down and basic, and masks is step no. 1 for any covid worker. ...except if your doorknocking virus hotspots, ...in victoria that is...

how is this not an OHS issue?

some of the mindless OHS shit I've endured in the last two decades is literally beyond belief, mind numbingly dumb, but thorough to the point of impractical, .... yet
the goverment can send workers doorknocking an area thick with virus, ....no mask, no problem...

nothing makes sense anymore

which is probably why people are not listening

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Vic Local commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 9:22pm

"which is probably why people are not listening"
sypkan, just because other people are being stupid, doesn't mean we have to join them.
This virus is very predictable. It's actually easy for most people to protect themselves in Australia. How hard is it to listen to the experts and keep your distance, wash your hands, wear a mask if you come close to others, stay home if you're sick, get a test if you're sick, and quarantine yourself if it's positive?
It's no shock that infections are heavily skewed to young people. They are the ones who are the most careless.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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sypkan commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 10:06pm

its not hard at all

but its getting more and more difficult to take any of it seriously

especially with all the hypocrisy and nuttyness of all persuasions displaying themselves in the streets

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Rabbits68 commented Friday, 3 Jul 2020 at 11:21pm

“It's no shock that infections are heavily skewed to young people. They are the ones who are the most careless.”

....And apparently the least affected physically once having contracted it apparently. The perfect storm. Remember being young & feeling/acting like you were bullet proof?

Crystal Clear

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 12:07pm

Airport Postcode has 2x higher recorded cases but is immune from Lockdown?
If it's not about isolating Covid Hot Spots, then what game is Vic playing here!

tbb did some research last night & this can of worms is coming up roses for some.
Plenty of Global pathologies are getting keys to #1 Multicultural DNA vault.
Money for Jam... DNA Goldmine is being tapped by the greediest in the game.
Sure! They'll do some Covid Testing...but if they spill some, don't blame them...Deal!

We all feel sorry for Vic & will assist by outing non ethical DNA Donation scams.
Need to run a few more tests on the Labs.
Should be able to rig up a Dodgy Bros Guide on Vic Covid -19 Test Centres.
Trying hard to suss out some ethical Vic DNA Pathologies (Running out of options!)
Looks like we'll have to rate them by least harmful as most likely option...Sorry!
Vic needs our help > that together thingy...back soon enough with a rescue pack!

PS: Outed about 5 or more mobs but feel as though poor Melbourne was targeted.
Once again...Qldurrz salute Vics for taking one for the team...
The timing of US / Oz Pathology expansion with Melbourne Testing is too smooth.
Almost all Vic Testing is uploaded to several greedy USA DNA mobsters.
Vic Health was railroaded & can't fight off Scomo's Monsters, Madmen & Machines.

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troppo dichotomy commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 12:24pm

TBB,I love deciphering your post!Very interesting...
I'm hearing about more cases in the media but don't seem to be hearing about mass fatalities?yet?
Wishing all the best for everyone in Victoria,doesn't sound like a good place to be unless you're a professional football player.

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Blowin commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 12:27pm

The car park at the beach here was chockas with cars bearing Victorian number plates.

Happy superspreaders everywhere !

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goofyfoot commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 12:47pm

Jeezus troppo you make it sound like we're living in a concentration camp!

Its not all bad down here man! theres more to Victoria than the outer suburbs of Melbourne

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troppo dichotomy commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 1:11pm

Sorry goofy i should've said Melbourne doesn't sound good.I've been to Victoria a couple times,nice state.Great Ocean road is beautiful.

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goofyfoot commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 2:46pm

Just havin a laff troppo.

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Spuddups commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 4:55pm

I remember back in April when we (NZ) went into full lockdown. No surfing, fishing, hunting, boating, hairdressing, unnecessary car trips etc allowed. Basically stay in your home and walk round the block if you need to exercise. Most people here could see the logic behind this move, but there were some fairly vocal people who were saying we should be doing it more like Australia. Well they’re farken’ quiet now. Life here has returned basically to normal other than you can’t go on an overseas holiday. Everything is open without restriction. No social distancing required.
It’s a strange feeling sitting here living my normal life In our isolated corner of the globe while the rest of the work burns.
The funny thing is that most people are now taking fondly of the lockdown. It was a time to reset and enjoy a slower pace of life. There was basically no traffic on the roads. Families were going for walks around the neighbourhood, saying hello to their neighbours on the way. Most people felt like they were part of a worthwhile national effort. It felt good to unite as a nation and attempt to defeat a common foe.

Sure it was a desperate time for many businesses but overall it was something that just had to be done. Ye-gods I’m glad we’re not living like they are in that giant cluster fuck in the US.

I might end up having to eat my words at some stage, but at the moment life is good in the shaky isles.

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Westofthelake commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 5:17pm

Thanks for sharing Spuddups.
Especially the positive aspects of the 'lockdown'.
Can we swap PM's yet?

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GuySmiley commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 5:26pm

Yeah Jacinda Ardern did and continues to do a great job, a real leader

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Spuddups commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 6:56pm

She has her detractors, but overall she is well liked over here. I’m a fan. The way I see it she’s a once in a generation politician that happened to arrive at one of the most pivotal points of our history. The bottom line though is that both Australia and New Zealand are well governed when compared to most other countries. Fark, there are half a million Kiwis living in Australia so something must be going right over there aye. Being close to Australia is one of the best things about living in NZ truth be told. I love the place.

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indo-dreaming commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 5:33pm

@Spuddups

Victoria had the strictest lockdowns in Australia while other states could still do things like go fishing or play golf camping etc we couldn't, surfing was the rare exception.

Now Victoria has the biggest outbreak 114 new cases today.

So where did we go wrong?

Personally i think its pretty clear that allowing the protest to go ahead fucked us over, yeah sure it seems we escaped an actual outbreak from it (i think only a couple cases from those that attended)

But the hypocrisy and mixed messaging had a huge effect, people just went fuck that, if 10K people can hit the streets, im going to do what i like.

6 June were the protest and on that day there was only 2 new cases, two weeks latter on the 20th there was 26 new cases and been going up ever since.

Really cant see people taking any further lock downs seriously, people just seem over it now, hardly anyone is social distancing anymore, even the X in lines at shops are now ignored.

At least your PM has now done one decent thing, having a population smaller than Melbourne spread out over two large islands certainly doesn't hurt though.

Please Stunet give me an ignore button for Talking Turkey, Shatners Basoon, Dale Cooper, Factotum, Pupkin, and any new fake profile he decides to create.

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GuySmiley commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 5:41pm

.... I’m taking that as bait not nibbled but greedily taken.

Admit it Indo Jacinta Ardern is doing a fantastic job.

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Vic Local commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 6:26pm

So let me get this straight Indo. The BLM protests caused everyone to drop their guard, but the anti 5G nutters protesting the week before didn't.
And of course, you're not going to mention the endless bleating by the Victorian opposition about lockdown laws being too tough. That didn't cause people to drop their guard at all??
We know why this wave happened and it's got FA to do with BLM. If your theory had any credibility, there'd be outbreaks in every location where there were BLM protests, Where are the outbreaks in Brisbane, Cairns, WA, Sydney etc etc etc? I reckon most people can see through your political opportunism.

"angry online, smiley in the brine"

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indo-dreaming commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 7:07pm

The message from media and Dan Andrews on both protest was very different, 5G protest was covered in a negative light by all media, breaking restrictions and most people agree they are a bunch of nutters, Dan Andrews message was clear in condemning them for protesting.

Only about 100 turned up and 10 got arrested

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhKcIHzprMw

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/may/10/ten-arrested-and-...

Meanwhile Black life protest didn't get the negative press and although Dan Andrews said don't go, it was a very weak message, it should have been it doesn't matter what the protest is for, if you go you risk getting arrested, and police should have done random arrest.

The turn out was over 10K and believe only organisers got fined. (if arrest were at the same ratio as 5G nutters we would have seen 1,000 arrest)

The only reason he and police went soft on the protest was the subject matter of the protest, if it was anything else it would have been dealt with differently.

Dan Andrews was clearly going hard with his approach to the whole Covid-19 thing trying to ensure Victoria got the best result possible obviously looking for political points, but ironically he fucked up at the final hurdle, sending very mixed messages.

Im sure every state with protest had the same effect we had of people getting slack after the protest, but the states with the highest populations Vic & NSW were always going to be at more risk.

Maybe it was bad luck or maybe we had more of a fuck this attitude because our restrictions had been stricter.

Anyway its done now, personally i think we can all learn a lesson that if you do something do it properly, doest matter if you go hard early if you don't finish the job properly you are not going to get reward for all the early effort.

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Blowin commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 7:15pm

Victoria back to full lockdown soon perhaps ?

Get some waves now people.

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Spuddups commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 7:33pm

We had BLM protests here. I think there were about 2000 at the one in Auckland. Fortunately that was after 5 weeks of total lockdown so by that time the pandemic had basically been beaten.

My feeling is that the situation in Victoria is probably more complicated than in NZ. For starters it’s just a lot more difficult locking down a city of four million than -as someone has pointed out- a country of five million spread out over two relatively sparsely populated islands 2000km from anywhere else. We have had a few cock-ups with quarantining of arrivals into the county; in one case two women who were later tested positive were allowed to drive from Auckland to Wellington and visit friends and family on compassionate grounds. Fark knows how we got away with that. Much harder to get away with stuff like that in a metropolis like Melbourne.
Anyway, I hope they get things under control over there soon.

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GuySmiley commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 7:38pm

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indo-dreaming commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 7:42pm

"Admit it Indo Jacinta Ardern is doing a fantastic job."

With this Covid-19 thing, yes she had done a good job, but like i said with NZ population of 4.8 million it was always going to be a lot easier than Australia with a population of 25 million (two cities with populations lager than NZ), not to mention all the complexity of 6 states & two territories and 5 times as many intentional airports.

Same goes for larger countries like USA obviously doing terrible but realistically all those larger countries were always going to have a much much harder job than we have.

On a world scale both Aust and NZ have done well, a few weeks ago our per million stats were slightly better than NZ but now with our cases still rising they are slightly worse.

Infections
NZ=306
Aust=328

Deaths

NZ=4
Aust=4

Expect out death rate will hit 5 at some stage, but still that is pretty low UK seems the highest 650 per one million people USA=399 Indonesia=11.

Source of stats=https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 7:57pm

Not just some waves but the best ever waves...thanx Vic..Rip Snorta Sacrifice!
SA scores world's longest right point break & NSW got the super long left point.
+ Oz scored more surf breaks without them...so we're pretending this is bad right?
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/02/06/30299706-8482067-image-m-19_1...

The Who's risky communication strategy created confusion...
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://smartcdn.prod.postmedia.dig...
Wheels hooked the jumbled leads, toppling the Mike over the water cups! zzZAP!!
Instant death, well that was obvious...
"Nope! Think I cross-wired something else!"

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GuySmiley commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 8:13pm

Good on ya Indo, she has done a great job helped also by the willingness of the NZ public to do the right thing. Kiwis are a great bunch, I love going there South Island in particular. You should do a trip there and see firsthand.

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truebluebasher commented Saturday, 4 Jul 2020 at 10:42pm

NZ has 18 people per infectious habitable (SD) km2 (Wiki)
OZ has 3 people per infectious habitable (SD) km2 (Wiki)
NZ has 6 x the habitable (Viral) (SD) population risk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_real_population_densi...

Didn't forget the Ditch Bubble (SD) [ NZ = 2m ] vs [ OZ = 1.5m ] Crazy 25% risk!

NZ 6x more pop/km2 minus 25% OZ crazy risk (0.5m) = 4.5 x more viral (SD) pop/km2

Thanx indo-dreaming for stats...
Oz figures would need to be multiplied 4.5 x to reflect NZ cramped quarters.
Note: Stats are similar so clearly NZ performed 4.5 x better than OZ.
tbb swears he's not seen any fairer Covid (SD) maths, happy to be proved wrong.
Density counts equally track other diseases & crops, so why not this virus?

Oz grows tired of saluting 4.5x better NZ PM Jacinta Ardern.

As if by magic tbb just made Scomo's Polls Skyrocket ** STaRShots * *

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Spuddups commented Sunday, 5 Jul 2020 at 6:49am

Hey Guy, the feeling’s mutual. I like Australians. Unfortunately for us we can’t do our annual family winter trip to Northern NSW this year so we’re heading to Queenstown. Most Kiwis don’t even consider the place as it’s fairly expensive. I would recommend a visit to the South Island for you guys aye. The scenery is something you won’t find in Australia. Big mountains with permanent snow and ice. Glaciers, Fjords. That sort of thing. Of course in the North Island has active volcanoes and geothermal fields. Australia has better surf, but there’s a few spots worth a visit here.

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views from the ... commented Sunday, 5 Jul 2020 at 7:13am

Since I think Im the only one here on the continent ATM can I just say how good it it has been in the Greek Islands since our arrival in early June.
There are hardly any tourists (Greek mainly), so we can negotiate cheaper car rental, accomodation, boat hire, etc.
It's like being here 30 years ago!
F/all traffic and secluded beaches everywhere.
Plus their supermarket produce is generally superior and definitely cheaper than Oz too!.
Restaurants that are open are good value and quality. Much more friendly staff.
However there are guidelines in these places re numbers, face masks, social distancing, etc which everyone respects.
These people understand that the economy must continue especially over the summer season.
Wish you were here...not! ;-))

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Spuddups commented Sunday, 5 Jul 2020 at 9:06am

Any surf in Greece?

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Blowin commented Sunday, 5 Jul 2020 at 9:11am

Though there was no mention of specifics regarding the surf , Danny Zuko apparently had a ripper of a summer at the beach. He met a girl swimming by , she got a cramp and nearly drowned. He saved her life and was rewarded under the dock.

Oh , wait .....wrong Grease.

My apologies.