Vaccinate or not

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Supafreak started the topic in Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 6:20pm

I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?

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AndyM Thursday, 29 Aug 2024 at 9:17am

Oh yeah, you’re the guy whose brain has been eaten by a parasitic worm.

Makes sense.

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AndyM Thursday, 29 Aug 2024 at 10:09am
burleigh wrote:
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What the fuck does "necessary" even mean in this context??

How about -

The rationale for the Hep B birth dose for all newborn infants is to prevent:

1. vertical transmission from a mother with chronic hepatitis B, recognising that there may be errors or delays in maternal testing, reporting, communication or appropriate response

2. horizontal transmission to the infant in the first months of life from people with chronic hepatitis B who are household or other close contacts

Newborns should receive the birth dose as soon as they are medically stable, and preferably within 24 hours of birth, but the vaccine can be given within the first 7 days of life. Ideally the vaccine is given before the baby is discharged from the obstetric hospital or delivery unit.

Look at the language Burls.

Rationale not necessity.
Should not must.
Can not must.
Ideally.

Your fixation on whether it is "necessary" is missing the point.

We're talking about risk reduction, and the evidence of vaccinations reducing the risk of illness, hospitalisation and death is massive, overwhelming, irrefutable.

irrefutable has a stronger meaning than necessary.

You’ve said a lot of words but not much context.

It’s just words mate. Googled words

What about the seatbelt analogy Burls?
Is it "necessary" to wear a seatbelt all the time?
Ignoring legalities, it's not physically necessary but there's a very good chance that it could come in extremely handy at some point.
Ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure etc etc.
Surely this makes sense?

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burleigh Thursday, 29 Aug 2024 at 10:10am
AndyM wrote:
burleigh wrote:
AndyM wrote:

What the fuck does "necessary" even mean in this context??

How about -

The rationale for the Hep B birth dose for all newborn infants is to prevent:

1. vertical transmission from a mother with chronic hepatitis B, recognising that there may be errors or delays in maternal testing, reporting, communication or appropriate response

2. horizontal transmission to the infant in the first months of life from people with chronic hepatitis B who are household or other close contacts

Newborns should receive the birth dose as soon as they are medically stable, and preferably within 24 hours of birth, but the vaccine can be given within the first 7 days of life. Ideally the vaccine is given before the baby is discharged from the obstetric hospital or delivery unit.

Look at the language Burls.

Rationale not necessity.
Should not must.
Can not must.
Ideally.

Your fixation on whether it is "necessary" is missing the point.

We're talking about risk reduction, and the evidence of vaccinations reducing the risk of illness, hospitalisation and death is massive, overwhelming, irrefutable.

irrefutable has a stronger meaning than necessary.

You’ve said a lot of words but not much context.

It’s just words mate. Googled words

What about the seatbelt analogy Burls?
Is it "necessary" to wear a seatbelt all the time?
Ignoring legalities, it's not physically necessary but there's a very good chance that it could come in extremely handy at some point.
Ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure etc etc.
Surely this makes sense?

It’s more like you justifying wearing a mask inside your car.

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AndyM Thursday, 29 Aug 2024 at 10:28am

Sounds like you can't see the potential benefits of wearing a seatbelt.

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burleigh Thursday, 29 Aug 2024 at 10:34am
AndyM wrote:

Sounds like you can't see the potential benefits of wearing a seatbelt.

You sound like you would wear a mask inside your car while driving down the highway alone.

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AndyM Thursday, 29 Aug 2024 at 10:58am

More fool me for thinking that we might have something resembling a rational conversation.

Catch ya Burls, hope you get in the water today.

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seeds Thursday, 29 Aug 2024 at 11:18am

How’d you do

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AndyM Thursday, 29 Aug 2024 at 2:31pm
seeds wrote:

How’d you do

Quite sure I didn't make a dent! :)

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Richard Cheese Tuesday, 3 Sep 2024 at 5:46am
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rj-davey Wednesday, 4 Sep 2024 at 10:27am
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_bY_V3t1VH/?igsh=MmJxdmp5bDRycTZ1

Hope Kansas nail em.

Fascinates me the uptick in general vaccine hesitancy these days being blamed on right wingers and conspiracy theorists during covid. Surely the blame lies squarely at the feet of the very companies who produced them and peddled the porky pies, comfortable (or so they thought) standing behind wholesale government indemnities. Incidentally an indemnity shared by the GPs we were also told to unequivocally trust.

"Fool me once" adage predictably coming home to roost.

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udo Wednesday, 4 Sep 2024 at 10:42am

Can you Dig it . . .
Chakras ... Third eye ....illusions . . .
omfg

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Richard Cheese Thursday, 5 Sep 2024 at 10:26am

"When a silent weapon is applied gradually, the public adjusts/adapts to its presence and learns to tolerate its encroachment on their lives until the pressure (psychological via economic) becomes too great and they crack up. Therefore, the silent weapon is a type of biological warfare. It attacks the vitality, options, and mobility of the individuals of a society by knowing, understanding, manipulating, and attacking their sources of natural and social energy, and their physical, mental, and emotional strengths and weaknesses"

https://theglobalelite.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/silent-weapons-for...

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nevertuold Sunday, 15 Sep 2024 at 9:38pm
udo wrote:

https://www.instagram.com/p/C_FlFRty9uK/

oh yay their finally getting it. Stay tuned things are just heating up.

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seeds Sunday, 15 Sep 2024 at 9:58pm

Isn’t that image related to skin cancer?
#nevertuoldtobestupid

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udo Friday, 20 Sep 2024 at 10:23am

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truebluebasher Friday, 20 Sep 2024 at 9:45pm

Victoria Spring Finals Fever Covid Spike

Category...5th >12th>19th September
o/s (Syd)...747 > 847>(n/a) o/s [+] 48% sets a new record in open era (see Summary)
Tests [+]% 4.3 > 4.5 >4.7
Outbreaks...32 > 35 > 41
Residents.119 >125>237
Staff..............47 > 61 > 72
Hospital......91 >106 >107

Sorry crew...hard to argue against 5 matching rising data spikes ...looks like an outbreak!
Previous Vic Spring outbreaks often pause/drop 2 weeks before wave starts. (Free Vic Ward Chart)

Year > Vic Bump (Lull) Wave Starts
2020 >29 Sept > 8th Oct
2021 > 6th Sept > 20th Sept
2022 >16th Sept > 21st Oct
2023 >15th Sept > 4th Nov
2024 >12th Sept > Mid Oct?

tbb's Deluxe (rare) 6 Tables x 5 years [factcheck] Vic Data
Bonus extended Summary! Now with quality informative New Wave updates!

Vax or Not Hot Tips for Vics

*VOC (Updated)
Oz is tracking Recombinant Variant XEC..expected to arrive in coming weeks!
https://www.9news.com.au/national/covid-variant-xec-what-is-it-and-is-it...
Unusual early long range Xmas Covid call...
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8768883/experts-warn-of-new-covid...
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/what-we-know-about-xec-the-new-covid...

*Vax Rollout (Updated) Currently @ lowest base 5,000/day as last year
( 2023 Rollout ramped from 30th Oct)
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/2024-09/covid-19-vaccine-r...

*Vax Aged Care (Compliance) 6 month Up 2 Date = 53.5% (Vic 55.5%) / 12mths 71.2%
tbb believes Vic has made up ground from earlier in year...but 5% less Vax each year from peak
Be pretty rough for any expert to have a crack after the event...as they always do...say it now or STFU.
Not too bad considering lack of Govt urgent compliance > New Vax not ready yet.

*New JN 1 Vax (Updated)
Approval : US 22nd Aug 2024 / UK 2nd Sept 2024
Early Aug > tga begin evaluating Moderna / Pfizer JN1 Vax...( 45 days > Ready = End of Sept 2024)
{Important} Only Pfizer JN1 Vax is being Rolled Out ASAP...
Note Pfizer sponsor themselves Now > (Possible Gov Superfund > Vax'n'Pax Deal?)
Sufficient Alt Vax brands will be available for Pfizer affected Patients.
Looks like an earlier Vax Rollout than 30th Oct 2023...just saying...Wave rising now & by then!

tbb can share an unlikely examination of current rollout...
https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/how-australia-crushed-th...

*Expert responses to the current Rollout.(Updated Insight)
Note there is no mention of Varied Mass Vax mutation of Variants?
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/why-australia-could-miss-out-on-mode...

* Covid Vaccine Compliance
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2024-09-04/new-jn1-covid-vaccines-und...

*Masks / Tests > Expect seasonal Covid Aged Care then Child Care Entry Requirements (Standard)

*Free Tests ( Card Holders) S.A + (Qld)
Note : Aged Care Covid Rise in Qld > Massive early jump in [+] Staff...Again like last wave.
Qld Govt are ramping Health Staff for 11th hour Election eve Box Ticks...(True!)
https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid...
https://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/public+content/sa+health+...

*Spring Wave Forecast (Current)

Record o/s Covid exposes gradual rising untested Highest Global Covid [+] Saturation reality
(Translation) Likely this or next wave Covid will circulate as a universal offset summer / winter tide.
Shh! Not even experts will inform the crew of 50% vs 50% = Transit Tides variable 10% soon 5%!)
Simply means an equal global tempering of forever mid ranging Covid Waves at transit hubs.
tbb explained how Tourist Hubs peak ahead but each more modest but more often (vs) Regions Spike!

When to expect Vic Covid Wave to Rise...( o/s + a/c rising now > (Pause) Civic Testing Wave Rises Up)
tbb can better example waves within seasonal Vic Culture...can we do that...let's have a crack!
Holiday Kidz visit [+] Gran (Above) Rollout Begins > Back 2 School / Child care Tests [+]
Testing increase then halts to hide [+] rise before Cup > wave starts to ramp Hospitals.
Shared swilling of Cup Dregz mutates to spike virulent Vic wave > AV > Hospital Crisis > Deaths rise.
About Now! Experts inform Media that a Covid Wave is upon us...well durr!
Note : No Flu / RSV waves are current.
tbb observation : "Possibly Hooping Cough is exaggerating Covid in infant demographic...very serious!
Oz must be prepared if seriously ill Infants die of Hooping Covid Cough...sounds horrific! A sad reality!
Doubt if Health authorities are prepared for inevitable...High Alert for such a Deadly Combo!
Record 10x Whooping Cough Wave colliding with new infectious VOC! Tough start for today's babies!
https://www.health.vic.gov.au/health-alerts/increasing-pertussis-whoopin...
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/whoopingcough/Pages/default.aspx
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13831549/whooping-cough-warning...
https://cqtoday.com.au/news/2024/08/24/urgent-call-as-whooping-cough-cas...
file:///C:/Users/Owner/Downloads/WeeklyReport_202438_AU.pdf

Vax or Not Vic Ward Charts / Diagnosis > exclusive to swellnet...Good Health to all...Out the back!

Aged Care (Current) Outbreak Updates / Guidelines
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/collections/covid-19-outbreaks-in-au...
https://www.health.gov.au/topics/aged-care/managing-covid-19/prevent-and...

Vic Health Covid Site
https://www.health.vic.gov.au/infectious-diseases/victorian-covid-19-sur...

Breaking News : Australia rejects a Royal Commission into Covid 19.
https://www.themandarin.com.au/255281-australia-rejects-a-royal-commissi...

In closing it's fair to say Experts and media are expecting a Covid Wave soon & until Xmas!
Just covering their arses this time 'round, that's all...there's little detail other than wotz shared here!

Can rely on Denis to fill in the detail...
https://aus.social/@DenisCOVIDinfoguy

Mike has a weird Wake Up Call on AFL Player [+] Illness
2021=76 / 2022 = 112 / 2023 =184 / 2024 = 272
Reckon Long Covid might be a sleeper ...Massive ramp in sickies gotta be an issue!
https://x.com/Mike_Honey_/status/1836584393554694349

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Supafreak Tuesday, 8 Oct 2024 at 3:37pm

My oldest sister who is 66 , just returned from japan and her partner who is 72 have both come down with the new variant XEC and have been knocked for 6 by it . Extreme fatigue and not much energy to do anything . He’s on antivirals and they have both previously had covid about a year ago but nothing like this . They think they probably picked it up on the flight back .

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icandig Tuesday, 8 Oct 2024 at 5:47pm
udo wrote:

Can you Dig it . . .
Chakras ... Third eye ....illusions . . .
omfg
https://www.instagram.com/p/C-Vmn1gNdHs/

I can dig most things. But this dude lost me within about 20 seconds.

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truebluebasher Tuesday, 8 Oct 2024 at 9:29pm

mRNA Pfizer Covid Vaccine ingredients (World exclusive #1 swellnet Vax or Not)

https://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling.aspx?id=14472
BNT162b2 (Main ingredient)
Other Ingredients ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexldecanoate) (ALC-0315)
Inactive ingredients 2-[(polythene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide (alc-0159)
Distearoylphosphatidylcholine (DSPC)
Cholesterol

12 years or older contains 1 of the following sets of additional ingredients
Potassium chloride
Monobasic potassium phosphate
Sodium Chloride
Dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate
Sucrose

(or) + Bivalent
tromethamine, tromethamine hydrochoride, and sucrose

+ Saline Water for Injections (Varies)

Additional untested Volatile ingredients of ever increasing unmeasured quantity or reaction.
Cold Chain Storage severely compromised integrity of lucky dip drug cocktail.
No two doses are remotely similar from the same batch to next...all received an entirely stranger dose!

(List 1) Vial Ingredients (Severely compromised during mRNA Cold Change supply
[factcheck] Never Lab Tested > HM kicker thaws unknown icky drug cocktail during shake process.

Silica
CVD Copper Vapours produce Graphene (Speeds up Filling/Thawing/ Injecting/incubation)
Aluminium replaced Boric Oxide (re: I phone gorilla glass strength)
Magnesium
Potassium Oxide
Barium
Calcium
Sodium

(List 2) Rubber Stopper Ingredients [Made in China] from Exxon Mobil Oil
Never tested for emergency mRNA
Halogen 1.2%
Hexane 28.9 ppm
Acetone 8.7 ppm
IPA Ethanol 12.4 ppm
Dionized Water ...
pH2.5 PBS Buf ...
pH9 PBS Buf 1.8 ppm
(Additional)
Isobutylene
Isoprene

(List 3) Syringes (Not tested for mRNA Vax)
Cyclic Olefin copolymer (COC) 1ml lg
Polypropylene
(Cleaning)
Ethylene Oxide

(List 4) Needle Shaft
Stainless Steel (CVD) Graphene (To prevent rust & further rocket yer mRNA to yer Brain & Heart)

(List 5) Deep Freeze (The very reason why ya need Graphene to kick start the show!)
Trifluoromethane + Hexafluoroethane
Ethane
Propane

(List 6) Refrigeration Gasses ( Enter thru compromised Frozen > Thawing Stoppers)
Tetrafluoroethane
Chlorodifluoromethane

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*Extra ingredients Explanation!

CVD Chemical Vapour Deposition of Alloys (Lustre Film)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/chemistry/chemical-vapor-deposition
300 BC > Vaping Copper > 500* = Fools Silver
(Kinda like Paris Bronze Medal loses it's lustre...only that was a "Biteible" seaweed process)
Vaping Copper > 1,000* = Graphene (Modern lightweight highly magnetic rollout for Med /Tech)

Pfizer Tested Graphene to reawaken their Frozen mRNA...(Ok! We'll add that at Injection stage! Got it!)
Not in the Lab formula > Inert in the baked Vial > Deep Freeze > Thaws the Graphene + in Needles.
It gets added 2>3x along the instructional supply chain invisible to all. (Read on...)
https://science.feedback.org/review/pfizer-documents-misrepresented-fals...

Deep Freezing process renders mRNA Vax (inert)
The vials are oxidised with Graphene > As it thaws then shaken it teams & enlivens the Vax fast.
Only 'after' Vax thaws will the Crew see transparent shards of Graphene spike the Vax.
[Pause] Graphine is safe for transplants but deadly as rogue shards shearing thru cells...citokyne Storm!
Each draw up with a 'Graphene Needle' further enlivens the Vax more with each draw of shard dregz.

As a result...Draw 1 is cleanest but slowest to react > Draw 6/7 have more shards & mince thru cells.

Each needle is Dipped & coated 100% > Each injection contaminates whole body before reaching target!
(vs) Prefab packaged uncontaminated doses if strictly injected release all mRNA at it's targeted site.
Just saying ya don't need to be a scientist to correct fact checkers defending 100% impossible clean shot!
Repeat...ALL Westworld got mRNA Jabs dipped in Vials to contaminate everywhere before target.

That's why they made this -100* Syringe...not sure how that partners -50* max rubber Syringe stopper?
https://www.drugdeliverybusiness.com/schott-pharma-pre-filled-polymer-sy...

Highly magnetic it gathers and rockets to yer brain & heart (re : Easily track magnetic vaxerz!)
The whole point was to track Vax over days into deep brain for 100% defence of Vaxer!
Recall them Forehead Ray Guns [Vaxed (vs) Unvaxed] Weed out unvaxed in seconds
Them Magnetic Lymphs / Brain Tags / Clot Shot are all very real...Graphene contaminated bodies.
Again...it's safe when fixed as a transplant but high risk to mince up yer healthy cells...get it out now!

Calcium kicks in to play havoc with the minced cells > resulting in low immunity > repeat infections.

The Aluminium also swells your body > more so upon 2nd injection = They already know this...we don't!

Cold Chain is still not compliant to rollout mRNA Vaxes...
Very reason why Big Pharma reduced the Deep Freeze as it fouled every Dose...

mRNA -80* (Govts mandated -90*) + Whole kit goes in the Freezer! Can't Touch it! Ok!
Vial : (Graphene/Aluminium Coating) Check !
Vial Stoppers (All Made in China) -25* -70* Max
https://www.shengzou.com/en/products/20mm.html
Syringes (Tested 15 with water @ 50* / 12 hrs )
file:///C:/Users/Owner/Downloads/Schott-NEXT_32021_desktop%20(2).pdf
Syringe Stopper (Empty 80* / 24hrs)

All the above ingredients mixed Cold Chain Gasses/Thaws/ Refrozen into highly toxic lucky dip hot shot.

Recapping that Big Pharma was never able to secure mRNA Rollout...all here see & now know that!
There was zero integrity from Lab to supply chain...never once secured what contrived brew approved
Never stopped Govt mandating unknown Lucky Dip knowing none can secure it...still not now!

tbb is happy to share exhaustive ongoing research...that's yer lot for now...Strewth! Bloody Buggered!
Wot does tbb mean...do we need more ingredients...how is that possible...(Think we broke poor ol' tbb!)

This all checks out...crew know it's not an anti Vax conspiracy...it's a rare exclusive Good Vaxer Guide!
First and foremost to inform Vaxerz of all ingredients that may assist in Vax recovery or Long Covid!
It takes no time to see each Vax Varies by Temp / Vial / Thaw time / Shaking / Needle & Shot #.

Billions of endless combos and no two doses will ever be remotely similar, then nor will any recovery!
Please be more open to believing each are suffering their own private hell...harder to prove otherwise!
Please tbb don't end it on a sad note! No one asked or queued for endless ongoing Mass Health Crisis!

World is mandated to read from the same script...All in this together...ONE OF US...Good Health to all.