Vintage boards and the hammer blow of commerce

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1_57.jpgTom Curren stands on one side of the photo, Maurice Cole on the other, both are smiling. Between them rests the famous 7'8” logo-free Reverse Vee that Curren rode when he won the '91 tour from the trials and, perhaps more famously, the board he was riding when he did that cutback at Backdoor - the one captured so perfectly by Tom Servais. The photo of Curren and Cole was taken at the recent California Vintage Gold Surfboard Auction and the smiles betray something more than an old boy reunion; of the 50 boards sold, the 7'8” is one of the few boards to boost the bank account of the shaper who created it. The hammer price was $16,500 (US) shared between Cole and his famous pilot.

More commonly, the windfall from the sale of collectable surfboards benefits a collector only. The person who shaped the board, or the person who rode it, are left far down the sales chain often staring with wry bemusement at the notoriety they gave to a piece of foam and fibreglass that would otherwise have trifling value.

“I kick myself everyday that I let those boards go so many years ago,” says Mark Richards of his biggest regrets, two Reno Abellira-shaped guns he rode in Hawaii during the mid-70s. “But at the time,” explains MR, “I was paying for all my boards and really needed the money from the sale to buy the next season's boards.”

Nowadays the price for an authentic Reno-shaped Hawaiian gun starts at $3,000 and if you can see your reflection in the gloss coat then the price rises sharply. MR says he had no idea that boards he shaped or rode during that era would be worth so much one day. And how could he have known? Though an embryonic collectable board market has existed since the 1960s, it's only since the 1990s, well after MR sold those boards, that the market developed to a point that surfboards attracted significant money.

Geoff McCoy watches his old boards change hands with similar curiosity – though he's the first to admit it's with a degree of frustration. McCoy's Lazer Zap's are some of the biggest money pullers on the collectable board market. Like a Reno Abellira gun, the price for a vintage Zap in good condition starts at $3,000 and heads north depending upon its history and condition.

“Yes, it's frustrating,”says Geoff when we spoke. “They got howled down by the media when I first made them, and now they're in huge demand..?” Geoff's voice trails off, though the silence is soon filled by a sly chuckle. Frustrated he may be, but Geoff is acutely aware of the irony in his once-scorned boards becoming highly sought antiques.

Considering Lazer Zaps now fetch top dollar on the second hand market I ask Geoff if he has any old ones to sell. You know, just to take advantage of their newfound popularity. “I didn't keep any,” says Geoff with resignation. “I'm just not nostalgic...unfortunately.”

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In 1996 Danny Brawner ran what's considered the world's first collectable surfboard auction in Newport Beach, California. Brawner's auction was quickly followed by a series of larger auctions by Allan Seymour, again in Southern California, which were succeeded by Randy Rarick's Hawaiian Islands Vintage Surf Auctions that ran throughout the 2000s.

All of these auctions serviced - and perhaps further encouraged - what Matt Warshaw calls “nostalgia-affected baby boom surfers looking for a connection to the sport's oft-cited but vaguely described “golden age”.” Warshaw considers the golden age to be anything prior to the shortboard revolution and indeed that's where the big money lies: the top hammer price at the aforementioned California Gold Auction was a Greg Noll 1967 gun that drew $42,000, while a George Downing balsa gun from 1954 sold for $40,000.

Yet the nostalgia charm – if indeed that is the reason people collect surfboards - isn't only confined to baby boomers; a cursory search of the Vintage Surfboard Collectors page on Facebook shows many younger surfers are now involved. And similarly, the boards being sought are also coming down in age. This can't be explained solely by the passing of time, after all the aforementioned Reverse Vee was only shaped in 1990, 30 years after the shortboard revolution. A more likely explanation is that the collectable surfboard market has matured and become more sophisticated; a board simply doesn't need to be that old for its value to be recognised.

This is not a completely welcome development for some. Australian Mick Mock has been collecting surfboards since he was a young kid and was way ahead of the curve when the market developed and surfboards began to appreciate in value. Mock recalls a board he bought as a teenager, a solid timber board from the turn of the 19th century. He saw it for sale at an inner city auction house. Mock asked how much it was and the seller told him $50, adding gruffly, “I just want it the fuck out of here.” Mock promptly paid the man, then sat outside in the sun waiting for a friend with a driver's license to come and pick him up. He won't say how much it's now worth but suffice to say it'd be a few orders of magnitude above his initial outlay. He has many such examples of good finds.

Mock doesn't shy away from the charge that nostalgia plays a part in his collecting. “Yes, but it doesn't explain everything," says Mock. “I've been collecting since I was eight!” He counts the tactile experience of holding old boards as one its greatest appeals. “I just love old boards! The construction of them. The feel of them.”

What he doesn't like, however, is the shift in mindset that occurred around the early 1990s. “That's when collecting began to get attention through small articles in magazines. People came in and began collecting for ego and financial gain.” Mock spits the last two words out with venom.

I softly point out to him that he's also employed in the field; Mock ran a series of auctions in Sydney around the turn of the century and he now holds the key to Little Dragon, a second hand board store on Sydney's northern beaches that operates with very flexible hours. “Well I'm not gonna get a fucken job if I can help it,” says Mock by way of explanation. And by now you might have gathered he's also quite forthright in his opinions.

He's adamant about the change in attitudes, though. “It used to be like a bunch of surfers talking about history and design and now it's like a bunch of bankers, “How much is this worth?', “How much is this worth?” I get them in here all the time” says Mock and as he does Oscar Wilde's quip about cynics comes to mind.

Like Mock, Randy Rarick is neck deep in the business. Rarick ran the aforementioned Hawaiian Islands Vintage Surf Auctions, he's brokered the sale of hundreds of vintage boards, as well as restoring hundreds more. "I've had the most valuable boards in the world pass through my hands," says Rarick. "I've been involved in the transaction of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars worth of vintage board sales."

All of which means he's well placed to comment on the developments in the market and he takes a philosophical approach to the less savoury side of collecting. "Much the same as vintage cars, there will be the specialists, collectors, and the aficionados who appreciate the art of collectables, and then there'll always be the mercenaries, hucksters, shysters, and hurdy-gurdy film-flam artists who only see the dollar signs." I get the sense Rarick spends little time thinking about the latter.

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Though the market has matured and attracted people with varying intentions, Scott Bass believes the criteria for collectable boards remains the same as ever. “Provenance, pedigree, and condition,” says the organiser of the aforementioned California Gold Auction. “The vintage surfboard market is organic and hard to predict,” says Bass, “but those three things should be on every buyer's checklist.”

Aside from being an organiser, Bass is an expert appraiser of vintage boards, it's his job to discern what boards are worth. The job involves assessing the tangible qualities of a board – its condition, who shaped it, who rode it – but it also involves the assessment of a board's intangible elements. He explains this by using MR's Reno Abellira as an example.

“The emotional pull of MR's Freeride bottom turns at Honolua Bay on that Reno pintail are strong. Because it was captured on film, every surfer from that generation has the same connection. Lots of surfers with emotional ties equals lots of hands in the air at auction.”

It's no accident that Bass uses the word 'emotion' twice, as everyone I speak to - save the fiercely nostalgia-free Geoff McCoy - gets emotional when talking about old boards. Take away the monetary value and old surfboards become a conceptual history trip for many surfers. They're fibreglass DeLoreans that transport surfers back to their prime surfing years. How comfortable surfers are with looking backwards dictates how they view vintage boards, and how many old boards they themselves keep in the rack.

Bass' mid-70s example also raises another point, one that pertains to media as much as emotion: When MR was first attacking Hawaii there were only a handful of print publications and perhaps the same amount of films made. Compared to today the surfing culture was uniform and shallow; surfers largely came from the same demographic, they consumed the same media, idolised the same heroes, and shared the same values. Contrast this to 2015 when surfing has fractured in a thousand different ways. It begs the question of what will happen to boards from the internet era. Where are the emotional touchpoints in a media-saturated world? What will be the metrics that future collectors use to value boards?

ksiraq1.jpgI ask Bass about specific modern-era boards that collectors might have their sights on. “The Brewer that Bruce Irons rode to victory at the Eddie,” says Bass. “That is a special Brewer. Everyone knows it.” Other modern boards include Kelly Slater's 'Iraq' protest board, Slater's 'Wizard Sleeve' and 'Deep Six' designs that pre-empted wide high performance shortboards, or any of Andy Irons' world title boards. Outside of those it's very hard to say with any sort of authority which boards will become valuable.

The conversation leads Bass to ruminate on the value of computer shaped boards. “Those computer shapes have yet to ripen, but when they do, will they hold any collector cachet?” The question isn't rhetorical, Bass genuinely wonders how computer-age boards will be valued. He believes that Kelly Slater's and Andy Irons' boards will have cachet but question marks hang over other boards: “Many of todays boards are disposable commodities rather than collectable assets. Like furniture or guitars, if it's hand made it's a part of the 'culture of authentic.'”

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When considering the extraordinary amount some old boards sell for at auction I'm reminded of Vincent Van Gogh. Though he would become one of the world's most influential and sought after painters, Van Gogh spent his life broke and destitute. In 1888 Van Gogh painted a self portrait and gave it to his mother. In 1998 that painting sold for $71 million.

The analogy may be overblown but the similarities are there and they apply across the board; struggling artist sells his wares for nix only to see its value compound over time. In Australia the government has instituted a form of artist recompense in the Royalty Resale Scheme - artists receive 5% from any future sale of their works over $1,000. Since it started in 2010, 610 artists have benefited from the scheme – none of them are surfboard shapers.

“Giving a portion of the proceeds to the shaper would be great, but it rarely if ever happens,” says Bass when I mention the program to him. “Sad, perhaps, but they gladly took the money from the original buyer back in the day.”

Some shapers are beginning to capitalise on their famous moments by creating replicas of the original boards. Maurice Cole is making a limited run of his Tom Curren Reverse Vees and selling them through his website. Similarly, Geoff McCoy is currently shaping versions of the very first Lazer Zap – same planshape, same construction, same graphics – and selling them for $7,000 each. McCoy has already sold two. Scott Bass is unsure how these remakes will be valued in the future, though it's worth pointing out that a remake of Martin Potter's famous 'Saint' twin fin fetched a nice sum at his recent California Gold Auction. The fact is, the number of antique surfboards is dwindling yet the number of collectors is increasing so it's causing the market to look at boards in new ways. The 'culture of authentic' need not apply as long as the emotional component is intact.

As I run these esoteric concepts past Geoff McCoy I hear another sly chuckle. It's not impolite but I can tell he's humouring me. It dawns on me that such matters run counter to McCoy's pragmatism, that he could care less about guessing the movements of an invisible, amorphous market. All he knows is that his Lazer Zaps are finally in demand and that this time he's the one who'll benefit from the sales.

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memlasurf Tuesday, 24 Nov 2015 at 2:04pm

Stu guitars, amps, stomp effects have gone the same way. Guitars I thought were rubbish in the 70's are now fetching big dollars and it is the young guys who are buying them. People my age still think they are rubbish.

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velocityjohnno Tuesday, 24 Nov 2015 at 4:19pm

My best value antique board has been with me for a long time. Scarborough, mid 1990, two guys trying to snap a "piece of sh*t" single. Being young, without board or much money, I asked if I could have it rather than them bin it. To this day I still find it rides juice beautifully - the volume forward and tightly tucked pintail (equal in tail planshape area to a 90's potato chip) will paddle in, and hold. I will actually take it out in preference to more modern shapes if there's size and it's hollow. Much later I worked out the Nielsen brothers ran them as a model for the QLD points (the "White Pointer" - an ominous name for a young WA surfer to have on his board...)

The value of having old boards is riding them. Secondary is the value of them as a "library" of sorts - to consult for an appreciation of rail shape, fin placement, foil, etc etc. These days I find I appreciate the survivors of the 70's the most, and moderately battered is interesting as I can tell the board has been used for its purpose and it has "a story to tell". This is the essence of history. These boards come from a time when a board designed for the professional also had enough foam for the layman to ride, and like the "golden era" of muscle cars, what you could buy from the showroom was "raced on Sunday" by the pros.

As for the modern age: there's been a flowering of foam catering for the layman in shortboards in the last 10 years. They are relatable, and benefit from the ensuing 30 years of foil, dome deck, concave, fin development. Surfing is more accessible when comparing to the early 90's. In the meantime, the revival of longboarding has branched off into its own powerful niche. We can create or re-create any shape from recorded history, at the click of a button. So where's the soul/emotion? Is it in the umpteen visual blogs on the net or social media?

For me its a mix of sharing the modern equipment with my children, and doing the odd retro session, watching their styles adapt and become more graceful and fluid on the old (carefully chosen pedigrees of well shaped) boards, and watching them grow from this.

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derra83 Tuesday, 24 Nov 2015 at 4:34pm

Great post VJ.

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smithyg Friday, 27 Nov 2015 at 8:40pm

I just regret not still having the magics (3) and now I don't sell my boards. But in the past it was all about moving on. Now the balance sheet is level I have 3 magics.

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indo-dreaming Tuesday, 24 Nov 2015 at 6:16pm

Ive got a couple vintage boards I've collected, but for me they are more like nostaligic works of art for the wall.

Id never ride them, one because id never want to risk snapping or damaging them and two I'm not that curious on how they go, having ridden heaps of my mates vintage boards i know how they go, they go exactly like you would expect like unrefined surfboards.

If i want to ride a single fin or even an old 80,s type thruster, id rather get a new one shaped taking characteristics from the period but ensuring they are refined and improved upon.

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freddieffer Tuesday, 24 Nov 2015 at 9:49pm

I got a genuine vintage board too............. because I have to accept that now that I'm vintage.........
Ahh, the passage of time; where did it go? but I still got that board from my misspent youth, the board that carried the dreams of my prime as I travelled far and wide; perhaps most of all is the fact that it handled anything that I was prepared to paddle into. You can't put a price on that, and no-one can take, remove or replace what that vintage board means to me. It doesn't taste salt water very frequently these days, but it's still there........ still there, pride of place in my lounge room; to see, feel, believe and to keep the dream alive..... and dreaming sustains more dreamtime. Fuck everything else; I've got my vintage board.

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stunet Tuesday, 24 Nov 2015 at 10:00pm

Even though the above article concerns itself with 'market values' etc etc...I still reckon the best thing about old boards is having a stick that is cherished by you and you only. It might barely sell for $20 on eBay but that's because it's real worth lies in the memories you've engendered in it.

I've got a nice quiver but I can only count 2.5 boards (one snapped and I lost the tail!) that I'll never ever part with.

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Groover Tuesday, 24 Nov 2015 at 8:02pm

Great article. Obvious nostalgic link for me is Curren's Black Beauty design, which I not only like for the way it rides in good point break waves, but also reminds me of growing up and learning to surf in the '80's. The emotional link to old boards/surf styles cannot be understated and I enjoy reading about surfers from even earlier eras with similar sentiments...

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OHV500 Tuesday, 24 Nov 2015 at 9:13pm

Hi Stu: Just wondering if you think prices of collectable boards going up is a good or bad thing - or is this piece just a comment facts etc. It feels to me that you are against designer/shapers making some money from their hard work over the years ?

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stunet Tuesday, 24 Nov 2015 at 9:43pm

Apropos the price of collectable boards going up: I don't have an opinion on it. I'm more interested in why the vaue of collectable boards changes as it does. You know, what factors cause the market to value one board over another board. I find that stuff endlessly interesting.

As for shapers/designers making money off their designs...of course they should! In my perfect world good shapers would make much more. The starting point for this article was the fact most collectable boards are owned by collectors, not the surfers or shapers who first made them famous. Hence the big bucks at auctions aren't going to the shaper - notwithstanding MC, Lopez, and Noll at the recent Cali Gold auction.

And again, I'm curious how some savvy shapers - Maurice Cole, McCoy, Reno in Hawaii - are repurposing past designs for the collectable market. The designs may be old but the difference this time around is the shapers are the ones who directly benefit from the 'collectable' price tag.

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sharkman Wednesday, 25 Nov 2015 at 8:06am

just so you know I ride MC's and have been a friend for quite awhile , he sent me an email last night , about how pissed off he was with this article and its inaccuracy regarding him and Tom.

firstly the 7 8 was not a bd he qualified on , he actually won the world title from Trials to World champ the year before the 7 8 , but he did have quiver of MC's.

Secondly , MC got all the $'s and did not share with Tom.

thirdly there were other shapers that got $'s also not just MC.

Fourthly , MC considers himself to be in the bottom 10% of shapers , and is a better designer than most , as he sees a very big difference between someone who can shape and someone who designs.

fifthly the project that MC is doing with Tom , is not just bds , but a story told thru the bds by a book ,and posters,and other merchandise , so its actually a collectors pak.

and yes Stu seems to have something against designer/shapers cashing in on past shapes , but there is one thing he overlooked in the USA and buying of vintage surfboards , because 15% goes to a charity all purchases are tax deductible in the USA , which means less tax and you still get the board which appreciates overtime so its an investment.

MC also made it clear that the RVP will not be released in Australia , and has no time for very average journalism , as has been shown in this article.

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stunet Wednesday, 25 Nov 2015 at 8:15am

Uh...OK Mr 'Sharkman'.

The article says nothing about Curren qualifying - it says world title. It also says the 7'8" is "one of the few boards" to make money for the shaper, meaning there'd be others, right?

The other points simply don't have anything to do with the topic at hand.

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sharkman Wednesday, 25 Nov 2015 at 8:30am

Stu , the other points just show how little journalistic research was put into this article and makes MC's position clear , which you are not.

"Between them rests the famous 7'8” logo-free Reverse Vee that Curren rode when he won the '91 tour from the trials and, perhaps more famously, the board he was riding when he did that cutback at Backdoor"

The 7 8 was made the next year , but who cares about facts,

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udo Wednesday, 25 Nov 2015 at 8:35am

So its sale price was $22700 Aus

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sharkman Wednesday, 25 Nov 2015 at 9:13am

less 15% for the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation!

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rooftop Tuesday, 24 Nov 2015 at 11:16pm

Have there been any signs of manipulation of the market?

I understand that in the art world it's not uncommon for collectors to secretly get people (or even themselves) to overpay for works by artists whose pieces they already own, thus inflating the perceived value of their collection.

If the market value for Lazer Zaps (or whatever) is $5K and you own three of them (you old dog), apparently the thing to do is to go out and pay $10K for one and establish that as the benchmark price.

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earthbound Wednesday, 25 Nov 2015 at 6:12am

Coming from a background in building custom houses, I find the nostalgia is heavily tainted by the fact that the style of craftsmanship and innovation in pre-90's boards is one of the key factors in my interest.
That level of skill is fast becoming lost, which is very evident in building also.
Sadly, the ability to afford the pieces created by the masters of the craft is quickly becoming out of the reach of the layperson. Luckily there are still heaps of great examples of lesser known shapers' boards available still on the burgeoning range of options online now.

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velocityjohnno Wednesday, 25 Nov 2015 at 6:20pm

This.

The skills are still there at present, for example one of Geoff's LZ's ordered in 2013 is perhaps the most beautifully finished (and durable) board I have ever owned. I have Dibben longboards from 1998 and 2000 that will remain in their volaneous glory well into my old age.

Maybe Stu one day can do an article on the unsung heroes - from sprayers to glassers to fin profilers to sanders and finish polishers? And if these occupations are flourishing underground, or becoming rare?

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dewhurst Wednesday, 25 Nov 2015 at 9:26am

I collect a few vintage boards and I'm definitely no baby boomer. I dont see it as any different than having an old book on your shelf or an old record in your vinyl collection. My Dad has a lot of old boards which will one day be mine, the closest we have to family heirlooms, and they'd better last because I don't think my modern boards will!

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atticus Thursday, 26 Nov 2015 at 6:55am

Sorry Stu, I agree with Scott Bass's point of view regarding the resale of boards. The shaper chose to sell the board in the first place, it was a simple commercial transaction and they profited. Why should they get a "double dip" of sorts? Besides any shaper whose work is fetching good money at auction should be charging a premium for current work.

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the-u-turn Thursday, 26 Nov 2015 at 2:45pm

Well written Stu. Sound and solid.

Sharkman, MC does have a voice and he can use it. If he is upset then the best thing to do would be to contact the author direct. I see this as a fair article.

I started collecting longboards in the late 1980's when no one wanted them and they were cheap as chips. I loved them, the look the feel and the history. Provenance came later. An interesting follow through to this article would be a chat to 'Uncle Carl' well known on the Goldie. Has one or two in his quiver and is as sincere in sharing his experience and knowledge as they come.

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sharkman Friday, 27 Nov 2015 at 10:09am

MC decided not come onto SN anymore , because of too many inaccuracies , as per this article, but we all have our opinions and everyone has different interpretations and MC did contact the author , frustrated at the continual lack of true journalism.

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blindboy Friday, 27 Nov 2015 at 9:00pm

If MC or anyone else expects Swellnet to achieve the fact checking standard of major news outlets, they have little idea of the realities of the process. Even major publications with far greater resources regularly make mistakes over much more important issues than precisely which board someone rode forty years ago.
Unlike most other outlets Swellnet posts comments on every story and only removes them when they are libellous or offensive. Anyone therefore who feels that something inaccurate has been published has every opportunity to correct it. If they are too precious to be bothered or so easily offended that they assume some malice in the original piece then that sounds like their problem to me. In saying this I speak for myself as I no longer work for Swellnet.

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udo Tuesday, 1 Dec 2015 at 7:07pm

To many inaccuracies ---- Bullshit ...that's not the reason MC doesn't come onto swellnet anymore.

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stunet Tuesday, 1 Dec 2015 at 7:11pm

You know it Udo. You've been there also.

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sharkman Wednesday, 2 Dec 2015 at 3:07am

yeah udo he got pissed and called you out on your pedophile joke and your racist post about Adam goodes, so when you add up the low level of journalism and some of the people like you udo , yeah that's probably enough !

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freeride76 Wednesday, 2 Dec 2015 at 6:28am

Maurice said on Beachgrit that he had been banned from SN......could you ask him about that Sharkman.

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sharkman Saturday, 28 Nov 2015 at 7:07am

interesting BB that you point out SN has potentially a lower level of journalism than major outlets.

So journalism is sort of a class /size entity that is judged by the size of the publication?

Now that's an interesting concept!

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blindboy Saturday, 28 Nov 2015 at 9:50am

What I said sharkman was that even large publications with much greater resources to fact check before publication still get it wrong. Looking back there have been very few complaints about the accuracy of what has been published on SN so draw whatever conclusions you wish .

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lostdoggy Saturday, 28 Nov 2015 at 10:21am

MC asks repeated questions on buried whale carcasses and associated GWS prevalence on sites such as beachgrit, so MC instructs sharkman what to say here, and sharkman to MC there?

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sharkman Saturday, 28 Nov 2015 at 10:54am

to me journalism is journalism , good and bad.

yeah we have the same issue here with the whale being buried at Umbies , and so far no-one has been able to answer the question , what affect does the dead whales have.

I personally don't really care as I see sharks as a given when we go surfing , and deal with whatever mother nature throws as at us . If you are really scared of sharks , don't surf!

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wesley Thursday, 3 Dec 2015 at 6:10am

They're not too bad for down here.

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velocityjohnno Tuesday, 1 Dec 2015 at 6:59pm

Stu's investigation of ASP viewer numbers was inspired journalism. Head and shoulders above what much higher funded publications regularly produce.

BB's articles too, were thought provoking, engaging and rewarding to read.

The coastal creation series has been fabulous, as have articles such as the marram grass and beachbreak/foredune quality one.

Well done Swellnet.

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freeride76 Tuesday, 1 Dec 2015 at 7:45pm

this is hilarious.