Hows about this one from Burleigh Heads today? 28 sec mark. Where does it fit into the scheme?

That was definitely the Full frontal up yours couldn't give a shit.

Pretty hard to let that one go........

Reading your post BB (given so many spots are crowded these days) almost reads like we will be excepting drop ins as the norm not the exception , if not already. Pretty sad state of affairs I reckon....

Oh, and if the guy that did that by chance reads this.

You're a fuckwit!

First name that came into my head after reading this article Blindboy-
Thomas victor Carroll.

Have used "the lesson" on occasion with great effect. I hate people who snake especially those blow-ins who start talking and being all friendly as they paddle past. Hello, fuckwit, aren't that dumb.

Be very, very aware where you are dropping in. Waimea Bay or similar are exceptions, I suggest. The bloke above at Burleigh would have a sore head by now and sitting on the rocks (probably crying). Heh, if its super crowded then try go betweens !

Years and years ago, back when Kelly had hair, he gave a speech - world title acceptance? Surfer poll? Can't remember - that included an anecdote about a time he unintentionaly dropped in on Gerry Lopez at Pipeline. Taught Slater a lesson in humility.

Old Baldy recalled a day at Pipe when he was just beginning to find his place in the lineup; aleady had a world title but yet to dominate in Hawaii. He took one late, pulled in, and as he was spat out noticed someone was riding behind him - Lopez! Mortified! He realised the gravity of what he'd done, imagined the crew on the beach thinking he'd done it deliberately to become Top Dog at Pipe. So he paddled straight up to Mr Pipeline and apologised profusely, expecting to cop a mouthful in return.

"Hey," said an unperturbed Lopez, "I know a 100 kids who'd pay 100 bucks to ride behind you."

Cool...

Hope the next guy I drop in on takes it so calmly. All these blokes who get angry when I burn them?? Chill out.

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Believe it or not I never drop in on purpose, would likely to at times, but don't have the confidence, just something puts me off, if someone snakes me I am more likely to accidentally catch my arm in their leggie. The east coast, a world I'm happy not to live in,

Don't agree with "the speculator" being acceptable in crowded conditions, or any conditions for that matter.
I know a couple of guys who have turned that move into an art form. It makes the wave crumble behind them, and they know it. They get lots of waves by cruising along high on the face watching you over their shoulder, all fucking innocent "it's cool man I can pull out anytime just keep surfing" NO fuck off with that crap!!!

Would like to suggest another category - brain snap. You don't want to drop in, but you've been paddling for waves and pulling back for others for set after set after set. Suddenly a set comes, you aren't really in poll position but you paddled for it early, you really intend to do the speculator, but then its so good and the inside guy hasn't said anything so you kind of look back but tell yourself he can't make it when maybe he could if you stopped fkn up the wave.

Justified? Not really but it kind of happens in super crowded spots and can't really be helped. I had some one do it to me on the weekend and just said 'yeah nice one' to them. Turns out I then brain snapped and did it to someone else 25 minutes later. I knew it was happening but I couldn't really stop at the time either.

Certain line ups cause a certain behavior, fucked yes but that's life I dont think it will change but just get worse. My generation it was highly frowned upon and taken very seriously, doesn't mean I don't drop in from time to time wether it be an accident or on purpose depends on my mood and the temprement of the line up on the day if that makes sense? I'm not perfect ! !!

The 9 commandments.

Drop ins are pretty rare up this way, no isrealis either ;)

man i just want to find out who did that drop in and slap them ! that is outrageous! unless it was a revenge drop in? but more likely just one of the lovely burleigh locals showing there hospitality.

What do you guys reckon about the "First to your feet rule"?

I was surfing on the central coast the other week with a few mates and had picked up a nice bigger one from out the back.. as i rode it in someone had taken off behind me further into the shore and tried to call me off... essentially he was told to fuck off as I took it all the way to the shorey :)

Never really given the first to the feet rule any credence. I reckon it's an outmoded relic from the longboard era.

If someone's on the inside of me, then it's their wave. Conversely , if I'm on the inside , you can paddle as hard as you fucking like and get to your feet as early as you like on your tanker - that waves mine.

The only reason you should be even attempting to stand is if it's your wave.

Paddle battling from the shoulder is as bad as snaking. Just relax and wait your turn.

There's only one perfectly acceptable drop-in, very similar to the Full Frontal but done on your brother. A bit of brotherly love never goes astray!

If the guy who drops in on me is really good, well at least I enjoy the show! It happened to me a couple of times at the dawn session before the Carve Pro Junior at Maroubra 2 weeks ago and I wished I had a GoPro to record these kids doing airs 3 metres in front of me!

I've mentioned on here before that on the southern gc the normal drop in rules don't strictly apply. The hard rules work in small towns with a lot of waves per person but when every lineup is a shit fight and people are getting desperate, you have to expect a bit of give and take. The most annoying people in the line up for me are the ones getting all butt hurt and yelling down the line when they probably won't make a section. Sorry buddy, take your aggro ownership issues back over the border cause their aren't enough waves to play that way.

Secondly, our rules re surfing priority systems are a product of our developed surf heritage (anglo surf countries). They work here and are often considered beyond question, but there's nothing to suggest they are or should be universal.

The Celebrity Dropper aka Tom Carroll.

The "Where Were You When It Was Shitty?" is wrong IMO. It approaches the hypocrisy of Locals Only bullshit. (Anyone who calls Locals Only has absolutely no right to surf any other break in the world.)

Assuming a person obeys other rules, respects the lineup, waits their turn, etc then there is absolutely no grounds for someone who surfs there often to assume they are any more entitled to the wave. It doesn't matter if it's the best wave of the best set that's rolled through in a decade - the dude whose turn it is gets priority and good luck to him.

On that note, we discuss drop-ins all the time, but we rarely discuss those who continually paddle to the head of the lineup. To me you cant be a greedy prick like that. If someone else is sitting a bit further down the line and you've paddled past them 3 times if they drop in on you well you probably deserve it for not sharing the stoke, so don't go getting all pissy about it.

And yep, the dropin dude at Burleigh, mate you are a serious cocksmoker, unless of course the other guy kept paddling past you and took every wave.

I've always thought Driver's Rights was an acceptable drop in. If my car cops the punishment from a 500k drive, the last 20 over a washed out fire trail, I'll claim some sort of redemption.

Maybe them guys @ Burleigh were just mates ? = What are "mates" for ? Esp. BFFs.

On the Goldie ya just gotta roll with it. Garunteed, you can be away for a few months, OS or wherever. When you get home, some will drop-in on you them tell you to fuck off "cos he's a local". Its most amusing really. Plus often the ensuing blow ups are top entertainment.

FWIW, TC was/is crook, as was Nat @ eg: Angas.

But boys n girls... the most chronic dropper-inner-er-a EVER was Hughie Pierpiont, hands down. By fuck that man was prick.

(yep, Sid Lives.)

Hey up Sid, good to see you're kicking.

And if we're outing people then Rick Ruckus and Pipes get the gong.

With respect Kookster, that really depends on where you are surfing.

At my local point and many other breaks I've visited the locals know the break best and will paddle out to and sit on the deepest and best take-off spots.
Some of those blokes have an hour before work or are on a lunch hour. That could be me.
I'm dammed if I'm going to sit on the shoulder down the line and wait for the car load of visiting uni students from QLD or the pack of Euro kooks to all get a wave before I paddle back to the take-off spot.
But I don't drop in either. Ever if I can help it. Might be guilty once or twice of a speculator or lesson.
Likewise If I'm travelling and surfing a localised break I'm not going to sit out on the deepest take-off with the locals unless invited and I sure as hell wouldn't expect them organise their surf around me getting my share of waves. Eventually it'll happen.

There's a heaps of ifs buts and maybes but the fact you have an hour to surf has SFA to do with whether you can take a wave (all other things being equal). Imagine even a regular Pipe surfer paddling out and claiming he was on smoko and the next wave is his accordingly. If people are in the wrong spot or hopeless surfers fine paddle past and take off inside, but if you've had the last three waves (and they haven't kooked their "priority") that means it's their turn, and they snag a wave down the line it's their wave, end of story.

There's NEVER an acceptable drop-in, even in the impossiblly crowded GC points. A drop-in is a drop-in and is just plainly showing a lack of courtesy towards your fellow surfers. Just saying that "shit it's crowded so it's a no-rules game" is lame. If you can't get a wave by any means other than dropping in then you shouldn't be out there in the first place.
As for paddling back to the inside - well, it depends on the vibe and situation. If you've got the place wired and want to take off way inside and gun it (and are making it through), then you've got the right to do that and not expect someone to drop in at the end of that section, especially if you're inside the barrel and the dropin shuts the end of the tube down. But if it's a mellow wave with only a half-dozen on it, then yeah, take it in turns, call others in. Even if you're sitting deeper inside you can still leave waves until it's your turn.
It's all about respect and courtesy.
As an aside, and it is certainly part of the discussion: I constantly hear people complaining that it's getting more and more crowded. I dunno. I haven't found that in Vic - we'd get pissed off at the crowds when I was surfing around Torquay in the early 1980s. A mate quit surfing in 1980 coz he said it was getting too crowded. There was often 30-40 out at Winki and Bells back then, and it's no more packed now. The same goes for all the other Vic spots I surfed back then and still surf now. Not more crowded. It might be different on the GC and Sydney, and newly opened areas like Indo etc (yeah, Ulus is more packed now than in 1980!)

I'm a firm believer of easing into the lineup during a sesh.

Paddle out, scope the situation, let a few go through then slide on in. But if I've been out there for an hour, I see somebody stretch on the beach paddle straight out and straight inside, it's fuck you, I'm going and if you whinge about it, I'll explain why.

Happens quite a lot in my neck of the woods.

only thing that bothers me is the SUP - as far as I see it, every wave they catch is a drop in

As mk1 says, there is some different rules down at the Snapper end of the GC.

One that seems to apply is a 'Sorry, but your time is up' rule.
A surfer will generally get a good clear 4-5 seconds on the wave, no drop in. But after that, clearly they have had a fair go, and the next person in line can drop in with impunity. It's all part of a fair share philosophy.
I don't do it, but that is how it seems to work.

Of course, when the surf is particularly good at Snapper, the rules seem to change again, but I can't quite crack the code on that one. In all circumstances, it is surprising how uncomplaining and accepting of being dropped in on is the average Snapper surfer.

Glad I live in tassie... it gets rarely crowded..

I went to Snapper and didn't get dropped in on once in a three hour surf. A heap of guys I was sharing waves with did though. Boom Tish .

What about that one cunt.......every spot has him, you know it could be at a break you holiday at yearly,be it Lennox ,The Pass ,Angourie ,Margs Bells, The Bluff ,that one local prick that scowls at you ...hassles like fuck....blatantly drops in every opportunity...refuses to say gday- Its not until your next trip back there and you click fuck id forgotten all about him....prick nothings changed with him ......it/they come up in conversation quite often when overseas ...when you get talking to other Aussie surfers about your favorite places to surf in oz........and they all know him...the guy that surfs yellow boards or got an ugly style or a big beak or big mouth-they all know that one same cunt at that spot.

Fair go Udo, Shauney can be a prick but he's a softy when you get to know him, doesn't say g'day cause he's a bit shy.

There was one guy UDO a few years back in SA, a young mid coast local a bit like that only there was never a scowl just a constant hassle and paddle inside trip, would add the occasional drop in as well, didn’t matter where he surfed, he just had to be the top dog. Anyway I was surfing over at Yorkes at Salmon Hole with one other guy, perfect head high waves, sunny, light offshores, heaps of swell, absolutely perfect. A real cruisy session and this prick and a mate paddled out. There was no need to hassle as there were plenty of set waves to go around and only 4 of us but he paddled inside everytime. After awhile a set came through and even though he was on the inside I thought “fuck ya” so started paddling and as we took off he called me off. So the thing is this, he kept paddling so far inside that the rocks were a bit shallow in front of the take off spot, actually there were a few sticking right out of the water, so the most rational and desirable thing to do would be to bottom turn straight away. You definitely would not “fade”. At that moment though it just seemed to be the right thing to do, it was just an unconscious reaction to the situation and it seemed to be the most natural thing to do, not so much as a “The Lesson” but more of a “Fuck off Ya Pillock”. As I finally bottom turned, out of the corner of my eye I could see rocks very close, I didn’t see what ól mate was up to though.

Anyway his mate was paddling out so he must have seen it all and he gave the dirtiest look anyone’s given me. As for Harry Hotty, he didn’t paddle back out so to this day I don’t know what the outcome was. I am by no means a religious person but that just felt so righteous and even thinking about it know, it still gives me a warm feeling inside. So where ever you are Harry Hotshot….Amen

It is never acceptable to intentionally and knowingly drop in IMO but it does happen accidentally, no matter what people say.......you might be sooo focused you forget to look, or think they are going left......whatever the reason, if it is an accident then apologise and be done with it. The crowds here on the Goldy are getting beyond crazy and it can be hard to have a good surf and leave the water mellow and happy. I jumped off the rocks at Burleigh yesterday in the dark.......I shit you not there was only enough light to barely see the path to the water........there was already one other guy in the water and within 10 mins, the sun hadn't even shown itself yet and there was guys yelling at each other in the lineup.........
I guess you just get used to it, try to get your fill and stay avoid any tension......its not nice to leave the water more tense than you entered it, surfing is not supposed yo be like that......not for me anyway

Everyone come to noosa on our next swell!,

Jake "the snake"paterson! ridden waves behind him from cottesloe beach to sunset beach and everywhere in between over 30+ years, he doesnt get called snake just because it rhymes with jake, jackass. Vetea David deserves a mention. What about the "over frothing grommet "drop in, more of a modern take with all the precious youth who have never been slapped in their lives, "big wave" zac springs to mind as a good example of this one

Vetea David...... absolute shocker - Gros chien batard

worst ever...Lopez....with a smile and wanting to play go behinds...and Tom carroll and RCJ....

Growing up on one of the more parochial and aggressive Northern Beaches but now residing on the Mornington Pen, I can't believe the amount of "Up First" drop ins that happen down here.

I'm 90kg and ride a 6'0 as my every day. I reckon 50% of guys down here don't ride less than 6'6 and about 3" thick, even if they are 75kg, so the Up First happens all the time. Guys will sit 20m out on the shoulder and still think they have rights... Stupid thing is that they still do it when there single figure crowds!

For me it's simple...

I don't like to drop in because I know the pleasure of being deep within anyone of the many GC draining barrels, but remember, you set the tone of the session. So if you drop in on me, I'll be looking to return the favor on your very next wave... Take it on the Chin Champ!!!

BUT,

If I I'm already driving hard down the line then stay the fuck off!!! don't paddle and blatantly drop in you piece of shit (in this instance - AKA old mate in the Black Rashie). Absolutely poor form and congrates on receive the 'Cock Smokers Award' of the session for your efforts

Same goes for down at Kirra. Just because someone is pulling into the barrel doesn't mean you can fucking drop in!!! Let me/anyone/everyone have that moment of clarity and serene pleasure of being deep in one of the worlds most Iconic waves. A wave that we're lucky enough to have on our doorstep...

I'm all about the 'where were you when it's shitty' rule. Fuckers turn up like its Woodstock when the forecast looks promising. I actually made my New Years resolution to be ruthless to blow ins. It's pretty annoying when it's pumping and there's 100 blokes in the water and you only know 10 guys.

Some of us don't surf when it's shitty, we leave it for the blowins ;-)

Don't forget the surfer with a disability who always had the perfect excuse. He had a glass left eye after an industry related accident and when he dropped in on a North Coast point break right. (2464) , his excuse was " sorry mate I couldn't see you"

this is all a bit negative - i've met some real friendly blokes out there in the line up, who will call you in to a wave, locals you've just met who will happily tell you to follow them as they paddle out to a better bank further down the beach. .. but this is usually the less crowded spots though

Allot of informed Comments, impressive, tinged with the usual suspects demonstrating vast deficiencies in the temporal lobes! I have lived in allot of top wave locations over the years, now finally settled. I think whoever wrote this is complicating a simple issue, a drop in is a drop in, don't do it. Unfortunately, many people look to our feeble minded media cousins for answers, my concern is that they might actually listen to this dribble dick. If you drop in, you have transgressed a cardinal rule and should cop to this, just cause you apologise doesn't mean you not a man fellas, a lesser man can't look another in the eye and do what needs to be done. On the subject of snaking, I find it abohorent (for those undereducated in our midst it means, the worst ever). Consider this brief statistic, I have never been snaked when surfing a spot where I am not a local, man on man, i.e. when its been just me and a local. Whenever I have been snaked it has been when I have been outnumbered (I always surf on my own). Its typical of any one who is inadequate, they cannot delay gratification and rely upon the pack mentality to have their needs met. Can I qualify, I have no problem with someone paddling inside of me if I am not prepared to take my seat on the inside, if you can't handle the heat you shouldn't expect it to be given to you, but to snake, is like lying next to another man's missus. I don't know how to solve this problem, I do my best to model the rules out there, ya hope its reciprocated. But theres always some little fucker with a sense of entitlement, willing to ignore common decensy. And for those little pricks who may have a swipe at me for being precious, I don't mind aggression in the water, but it takes skill to channell this into carving it up. And for the record, my confession is I have sinned Father, I have dropped in on 5 people in my 30 years of surfing, apologised for each occassion.

I believe the The Where Were You When It Was Shitty? & The Full Frontal/Up Yours/Couldn't Give A Shit will happily go hand in hand at my local. Espec after last weekend as car load after car load of Shire/Sydney pretty boys arrived to have phone sex with their BFF's in the car park over the qual of the surf.
Expect to be dropped in on when you turn up with city arrogance/ignorance and no common sence .
BTW who the fuck posts on face book when a quiet corner is pumping????

horses for courses, so many different scenarios can unwind anywhere anytime

savanova commented " BTW who the fuck posts on face book when a quiet corner is pumping????"

Ummm....Swellnet?

The surf cams are the elephant in the room boys, that is half the problem. But we don't want to rock the boat with Swellnet, fuck em, they are part of the problem. Again Media dictates how we should think and behave. Before surfcams, no one if they valued the shape of their nose would be calling up on their mobile phone in the car park, surf cams were the thin edge of the wedge and the end of your local. So we shouldn't really be blaming the average Pleb, they are just doing as their told. If the surf politik had done as much for the sport as say Lawn Bowls had for itself we wouldn't be moaning about drop ins, I can tell you that. Surfcams mean, more access to their sites, which means more advertising power. You don't really think it is about helping average Joe.

anyone ever thought of tandem acts ? imagine becoming real good at surfing 2 or more ppl on a wave . world champions teamed up that had a good repetoire could rival the wsl . surfing has a selfish vibe with the my wave / your wave mentality . sure theres waves that arent appropriate but theres some that are . its an avenue that been rarely played with and i think theres a good reason for it to be tried . why couldnt a guy + girl or 2 girls or 2 blokes become so good they are sponsored for it ? it could really improve surfing becos a selfish attitude isnt as good as sharing . just for fun whatever get someone to share every wave u ride for a whole session at an appropriate wave

The beginners guide? I have only been surfing for 2 years, if someone is surfing on the inside of me it is their wave. that is it.

I think this is a joke ... but I doubt it so I am going to drown myself in my kids sandpit....

There's at least one drop in you forgot.

The "Your a Kook sitting too deep, I was letting you have the wave because your on the inside (and I respect the unwritten rules), but after pulling back at the last second and not taking off on the last 3 waves I'm gonna drop in on you not matter what next time"

Its got a long name I know, but its valid

how about when paddling back out and someones just picked up a smoker .. paddle on the inside and cop it on the head you rockmelon!!!
there's far too many shoulder scramblers who need to learn to duckdive

blindy why couldnt it get an audience ? doubles not singles , theres always an audience if somethings good enough . you can actually do swapovers and take turns to get barrelled , done it at deset pt !

Wouldn't say that tandem surfing is a rarity at Deserts already to be honest. Consensual or otherwise. Particularly otherwise.

Mark Healy and Michael Ho did a nice tandem tube at pipe a few days back.

excactly ! & high fived so there . how about opening the mind to this sharing technique . remember to yell go ! as you take off . its all about teaching the learners new tricks . you can teach kids to surf amphidexterous too .

The footage from last year, of Laird Hamilton and Allen Sarlo sharing a wave at Malibu and both shooting the pier is pretty cool.