The Banana by Slater Designs - a review of sorts

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Stu Nettle (stunet)
The Depth Test

One of the more cogent pieces of surfing advice I've read is this: When riding steep waves, always treat the surface as if it was flat. Try and keep your board on the same plane as the pitching wave. I've held onto those words, if not always put them to use, because of the person who uttered them - Kelly Slater, then a mere five time world champion.

That advice is worth recalling now as Slater pushes his modern Banana board, shaped specifically for steep, barrelling waves. The Banana theory, at least how Slater is plugging it, is that the curves of the board match those of the waves it's intended for. They lay 'flat' against the surface.

The difference with current thinking around the Banana, as opposed to when it first came out in 1992, is that they're not being sold as all round boards. The marketing is tilted as a next level design for next level waves. Which makes it a wee bit baffling why Slater chose to ride his at wobbly Snapper, but then who wouldn't be excited with a sexy new Ferrari in the garage? The trick, of course, is spotting when the race track turns into a goat track and adjusting accordingly.

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Slater slices a Banana at the 2015 Pipe Masters

In 1992, Taylor Steele's Momentum captured the surfing zeitgeist. At the time Kelly Slater and Al Merrick brought their widths down under 18 inches, and Shane Herring and Greg Webber were pushing their rocker and concave experiments.

There's a certain irony that the favoured board of the 'Momentum' generation was sluggish for the hoi polloi. When surfers rejected the banana theory en masse they didn't have to wait long till a countervailing design became available. Andrew Kidman, Derek Hynd, and Tom Curren had much to contribute to the canon yet their cause was aided by a surfing public jaded by curve. By 1995 Fish/Fireball/Stub Vector had entered the lexicon and low-rockered boards kept the momentum even when the wave didn't allow it.

Yet while the Merrick/Slater experiment of thin and narrow found its zenith and width gently returned to surfboards, the Webber/Herring experiment faced universal condemnation. People said the idea was extreme, however the reaction was equally as bad. Herring's demons rode the design into the dust where it lay for twenty years.

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Old 'nana, new 'nana, with a wafer thin side dish

Slater surprised everyone when he resurrected the design in late 2014. He's never been averse to left-field ideas but this one was more intriguing than most. He teamed up with past-rival Webber, the two building on the old theory, and then recently began mass producing them under the Slater Design label.

First impressions of the modern Banana are that it's not as rockered out as expected. Everyone I handed it to had the same response. Kelly and Greg have notably toned it down, it has around 1/4 inch less nose lift than those early 90s Insights. What it does have, however, is a smooth continuous rocker from nose to tail, plus a simple deep concave that begins near the nose and continues past the feet, through the fins, and bleeds off the tail. The mix of these gentle, ceaseless curves is sublime; while handling the board the far rail gently rises and falls against the near rail that traces both rocker and planshape. The feeling, especially when compared against the original Banana boards, is of agreement between all the features.

The only detail that stands out is the hip, however it's inclusion lets the rails between the feet stay straighter, and also reduces the width in the tail, further emphasising that this is a board for good waves.

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"The feeling  is of agreement between all the features."

It's got a five fin set up and first sessions were ridden as a thruster which proved troublesome. As expected the board was hyper-reactive, telepathic even, you only have to think about a turn and the arc begins. But by switching to a quad set up – which is how Greg Webber intended it to be ridden – a nano second of lag time was provided to weight the board. Four fins also increased the variables that could be taken into a turn and allowed the board to run a bit when exiting a turn. Call it a safety net for non-pro surfers.

Though it's straighter than 90s 'nanas the rocker is still apparent. If you're riding it in anything less than the waves it's intended for – and plenty of times I did – then you've gotta choose your wave, choose your line, and choose your turn. Keep it close to the pocket or else.

The crux of Webber's theory is matching the curve of the board to that of the wave, this extends beyond Slater's opening quote – ie the board lying flat on the wave - to how the rocker is cradled within the wave. When you make the right choice and sink the rail in a steep section the rocker seeks a path of least resistance through the the water. When it happens the feeling is electric. Turns feel effortless. Kind of slippery...and the Banana name takes on new meaning.

In these 'slippery' moments the board tracks through the wave so well it simply doesn't displace water. Think of a diver entering the water off the 10 metre platform - little splash and little spray. The sensation is wonderful but how would it be judged if it were in competition? Spray is the gauge of effort, right?

There's plenty of cud to chew on here, especially considering the theory at hand: is it better that a surfboard cleaves the water cleanly, or does it need to push against its heft? Should it follow an easy path, or should it have some resistance?

These aren't questions a non-pro need consider – me, I'll simply enjoy the slippery sensation - but the cold fact is the popularity of the Banana rests solely on how Kelly Slater performs on it this year. He's been filmed tearing on them outside of competition at Duranbah and at Cloudbreak, even in his wave pool, so they clearly perform under his feet, yet it'll be how he performs in competition that saves the Banana from condemnation take two.

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simba Monday, 16 May 2016 at 2:52pm

Gotta love the way Kellys keeping surfboard design on the move,be boring otherwise.Hope he does well on this in real waves..

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saltman Monday, 16 May 2016 at 7:53pm

Nice read. And aesthetically lovely boards
How much nose rocker, tail rocker and concave are we talking about?

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stunet Monday, 16 May 2016 at 8:29pm

Cheers Saltman. The nose rocker on mine measures 5 inches, and the tail just over 3. That may not be exact but it'll be pretty close (measured using level broomstick layed along the base and distance from downturned nose and tail to the broomstick).

At the midpoint the concave is about 8mm deep.

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indo-dreaming Monday, 16 May 2016 at 9:13pm

So does the deep single rocker through the middle almost mean in a sense the center of the board length ways is fairly flat allowing in to plane better than one may expect?

If you know what i mean its kind looks like it has two rockers a fairly extreme rocker on the bottom of the rail line, but a flatter/lower rocker if you follow the stringer line.

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wingnut2443 Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 5:18am

Great stuff Stu ...

Broomstick for rocker measurement, really? FFS, go down to Bunnings (or ya local Masters store if it's still open) and buy a length of square aluminum tube. You want the stuff that does not bend or sag when you one end and hold it out horizontal (i.e. like a fishing rod)... Get a long length and cut off about 24". Use the shorter piece across the board for measuring concave depth, the longer piece for rocker measurements.

Nose and Tail rocker mean little, it's the rocker 'flow' from mid point forward and aft that is the key. So, with your newly acquired ally tube, any chance of comparing the rocker (at stringer) at say 3", 6", 9" 12" and 18" from the tail, and then the same from nose?

With those marks at 3", 6" etc ... can you also run the shorter ally tube across the board at those same spots and measure the concave depth to a) the stringer, and b) the deepest part in the flat between the rail and the stringer.

If you do these measurements for the modern na na and the old skool, I suspect what you'll find is a much flatter rocker through the stringer due to much more concave. I also suspect you'll find the deepest part of the concave (in the flat between rail and stringer) is a) deeper, and b) placed closer to the rail on the modern na na ...

Be great if you can check that detail Stu :)

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freeride76 Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 6:53am

these words are nice and it was a good read but I'm still left in the dark as to how this board would go under the feet of a non-pro.
any chance of a photo, or even better a vid Stu?

one or two waves on video would show me more than a million words about how this board planes and turns.

as far as the spray goes, it looks from Slater's cutback above and his surfing at Snapper that it throws reasonable rooster tails to me. So I don't think judges will have too much to worry about there.

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nickcarroll Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 2:01pm

stu just a thought - if you're riding the Firewire Slater designs release of this board, it is considerably quietened down in both curve and concave from what Kelly was riding until quite recently. It's very much a gentled version of the real thing.

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stunet Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 2:18pm

Yep, Firewire FST 5'10". Exact same board he rode in those Cloudbreak clips. I assume you mean the boards he was riding in the contests etc? If so, would've loved to have run my hands over them.

Spoke to Greg earlier today and he and Kelly have got some good rocker experiments happening.

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nickcarroll Wednesday, 18 May 2016 at 2:37am

Yeah I was sorta meaning the ones that rattled everyone's cages a bit - quite a bit more radical than this for-market version which looks a fair bit more approachable

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wingnut2443 Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 4:50pm

Nice to see you here nick. How have you been?

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nickcarroll Wednesday, 18 May 2016 at 2:39am

Hi wing nut! things are pretty good in my lil bubble. how about you?

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wingnut2443 Wednesday, 18 May 2016 at 7:21am

Between back injuries, more surgery for my missus, I've been surfing as much as possible. Even surfed "the FUP" which went surprisingly well. Just did the weekend down in freeride country and scored some awesome waves.

What r u doin' posting comments on here at 2.39am?

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nickcarroll Wednesday, 18 May 2016 at 11:39pm

California.

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wingnut2443 Thursday, 19 May 2016 at 2:54pm

Ah...

Hope ya getting waves.

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memlasurf Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 2:43pm

Great read Stu now all we need is an asymmetric version and you are in heaven! Well done for taking the plunge and acting as a Guinea Pig for the rest of us. Really cool looking board but it seems it is a bit like a track bike vs an allrounder in motorcycle terms (I love bikes as well). Track bikes are dogs on the road but unreal on a track as they are uncompromising and built for a certain purpose. Also would be interested for you to try it with C drive fins as a thruster and quad. Not sure if you have ever used them but they are super drivey and tend to not be quite as loose as traditional shaped fins. And Wingnut there is even a better tool from Bunnings; a level with a grade calculator built in. It is really accurate and can measure the fall and give you a read out.

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wingnut2443 Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 4:49pm

memla, hmmm, grade calculator... I'm lost as to how you'd use that or what measurements it would give you. Serious. Can you please explain?

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stunet Wednesday, 1 Jun 2016 at 9:39am

"The cold fact is the popularity of the Banana rests solely on how Kelly Slater performs on it this year."

From this vanatge point, three days out from the waiting period, the swell looks woeful for Fiji. A nice south swell hits on the 4th but from the 5th onwards Fiji's swell window gets shutdown by the remarkable yet very welcome NE swell set to impact the Oz East Coast.

For the better part of five days - Saturday to Wednesday - a lengthy fetch will run down the Tasman toward the southwest, the exact opposite of what's needed to deliver swell to Cloudbreak.

And though it's a fair way out the systems after that appear to deliver little size for Fiji. Dont think KS is gonna have a chance to showcase the Banana in the quality he'd like to.

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lostdoggy Wednesday, 1 Jun 2016 at 10:58am

Jbay, France and Portugal have potential to throw up suitable conditions, but Fiji is usually so reliable.

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JohnnyG Friday, 22 Jul 2016 at 3:02pm

Hey Stu! What fins did you find work best for you on the Banana ..... quad and thruster? Headed for Fiji with a freshie and no surf to try it out in before I leave....

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stunet Friday, 22 Jul 2016 at 4:10pm

Johnny,

Thruster set were AM1, but like I mentioned in review I just wan't keen on the tri feel, though you may have a different experience in waves with a bit of push. Quad set are Kinetik Racing Bruce Irons signature fin, chosen for no other reason than it was the only quad Futures set I could get my hands on. Went well tho'...

http://www.kinetikracingco.com/fin/bruce-iron-signature-ct

Greg W was pretty adamant it should be ridden as a quad.

Good luck in Fiji...

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JohnnyG Saturday, 23 Jul 2016 at 2:08am

Thanks mate !

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lostdoggy Sunday, 28 Aug 2016 at 4:23pm

6'1 Slater nana on the bay. Brand new cond.

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kavachi Monday, 6 Feb 2017 at 12:32pm

Stu - any more thoughts on yr Slater Banana over the pst year?
am still intrigued by those lines, look superb for serious railwork in solid bowling waves, but have been disappointed with previous Firewires [own 6] lacking that solid, positive, reassuring connection with the wave when really laying rail that I get with a foiled rail PU board
have Firewire & Greg managed to better distribute volume in those rails enough to regain that feel? appreciate any feedback thanks mate!

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lostdoggy Monday, 6 Feb 2017 at 12:47pm

Greg would do customs in PU I'd say.

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kavachi Monday, 6 Feb 2017 at 2:20pm

true. but the ding resistance of the FSTs is pretty sweet, especially surfin outa boats all the time. unfortunately the nearest demo Banana or SciFi is a thousand miles away

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stunet Monday, 6 Feb 2017 at 12:49pm

Haven't ridden it near as much as I would liked, Kavachi, but it's got nuttin' to do with the board, more that I had to sit out 3-4 months of last year through injury and, perhaps more importantly, I'm playing around with my own experiment - asymmetrical design - which is receiving most of my attention.

That said, I jumped up from a 5'10", which is the size I usually ride, to a 6'0" Banana because the volume just wasn't there. There's slightly less foam in the rails than I'm used to, and the nose is less full too. Had to make up for that foam in length, but that's OK, I found it plays to the Banana's strength anyway - using the rocker and rail line to drive through turns, that is.

Had a few fun sessions at the point, only rode it when it was good, board did everything I wanted it too. However, like I said, the asymm experiment(s) are what's currently inspiring me.

A Banana asymm? Could be the next big thing...

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lostdoggy Monday, 6 Feb 2017 at 12:59pm

My banana is asymm, Stu. But it's not very big.

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kavachi Monday, 6 Feb 2017 at 1:02pm

thanks Stu. unfinished business by the sounds of it. a month at P-pass to test the Banana!

great to hear yr on the assa mission! as with the rockered- and foiled-out Banana, a bit of extra length can work with the assa's too, letting that shorter inside rail do the tight work

cue Swellnet's 'month at P-pass good-wave board test'

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lostdoggy Monday, 6 Feb 2017 at 1:02pm

Adam Robbo on a bunch of Webbers.
He definitely looks better on the modern bananas than the old Insights. Love watching him surf.

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lostdoggy Wednesday, 24 Jun 2020 at 6:04pm

Selling a few boards Stu, you must be trying to justify a solid purchase?
Or the minister for finance (wife)is just on your back?
:)

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stunet Wednesday, 24 Jun 2020 at 6:11pm

Ha ha...you're quick! Quicker than Udo even.

There's a few more to come too, all similar condition and pedigree. 

Gotta make room in the shed for a few other recent purchases.

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simba Wednesday, 24 Jun 2020 at 7:15pm

As in .......come on spill the beans..

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stunet Wednesday, 24 Jun 2020 at 7:19pm

Something a bit different...

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lostdoggy Wednesday, 24 Jun 2020 at 7:47pm

Do you want to break bones or something, Stu?

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stunet Wednesday, 24 Jun 2020 at 7:56pm

Ha...the eldest is going hard on it, and I spent a few years downhilling in the nineties, so when he got one I figured it was time to revisit it.

I originally hung it up 'cos of injuries so hopefully I can control the blood rush this time around.